FEEL GOOD STORY OF THE DAY: A family in public housing makes $498,000 a year

This doesn’t even take into account the hundreds of thousands of people in Section 8 housing who are “earning” money under the table and not reporting it to the IRS. Then there are the additional “tenants” who pay to live there, which is also not reported. This article is only the tip of the iceberg.

Via Washington Post

A public housing project in Brooklyn. (Reuters/Lucas Jackson/File)

A family of four in New York City makes $497,911 a year but pays $1,574 a month to live in public housing in a three-bedroom apartment subsidized by taxpayers.

In Los Angeles, a family of five that’s lived in public housing since 1974 made $204,784 last year but paid $1,091 for a four-bedroom apartment. And a tenant with assets worth $1.6 million — including stocks, real estate and retirement accounts — last year paid $300 for a one-bedroom apartment in public housing in Oxford, Neb.

In a new report, the watchdog for the Department of Housing and Urban Development describes these and more than 25,000 other “over income” families earning more than the maximum income for government-subsidized housing as an “egregious” abuse of the system. While the family in New York with an annual income of almost $500,000 raked in $790,500 in rental income on its real estate holdings in recent years, more than 300,000 families that really qualify for public housing lingered on waiting lists, auditors found.

(HUD Office of Inspector General)

But HUD has no plans to kick these families out, because its policy doesn’t require over-income tenants to leave, the agency’s inspector general found. In fact, it encourages them to stay in public housing.

“Since regulations and policies did not require housing authorities to evict over income families or require them to find housing in the unassisted market, [they] continued to reside in public housing units,” investigators for Inspector General David Montoya wrote.

The review, conducted in 2014 and 2015 at the request of Rep. Phil Roe (R-Tenn.), found that 45 percent of the 25,226 public housing tenants with incomes higher than the threshold to get into the system were making $10,000 to $70,000 a year more. About 1,200 of them had exceeded the income limits for nine years or more, and almost 18,000 for more than a year.

HUD sets the low-income limits at 80 percent and very low-income limits at 50 percent of the median income for the local area. The agency sets “fair market rents” every year based on incomes, housing demand and supply. In Los Angeles, for example, the threshold was $70,450 for a family of five. In Oxford, Neb., it was $33,500 for an individual.

New York, Puerto Rico and Texas had the most over-income families in public housing, while Utah, Idaho and Wyoming had the fewest, investigators found.

(HUD Office of Inspector General)

About 1.1 million families in the country live in public housing. The over-income tenants represent 2.6 percent of the system. Based on these numbers, HUD officials said the inspector general was “overemphasizing” the problem. But the watchdog didn’t buy it.

“Although 25,226 over income families is a small percentage of the approximate 1.1 million families receiving public housing assistance, we did not find that HUD and public housing authorities had taken or planned to take sufficient steps to reduce at least the egregious examples of over income families in public housing,” the audit said. “Therefore, it is reasonable to expect the number of over income families participating in the program to increase over time.”

The watchdog estimated that taxpayers will pay more than $104 million over the next year to keep these families in public housing, money that should be used for low-income people.

But under HUD regulations, public housing tenants can stay as long as they want, no matter how much money they make, as long as they are good tenants. The agency is only required to consider a tenant’s income when an individual or family applies for housing, not once they’re in the system. This is different from the housing choice voucher program that used to be called Section 8, which gives families subsidies for rentals in private apartment buildings. That program has an annual income limit; tenants who go above it get less money.

Tenants can wait years to get into both programs.

(HUD Office of Inspector General)

HUD tweaked its policy on high-earning tenants in 2004, encouraging the thousands of housing authorities in the system to move families out of public housing if they earn more than the income limit for their area. While HUD gives money to the housing authorities, they’re run by states and local governments.

But the 15 authorities investigators looked at told them they had no plans to evict these families, because if they did, poverty would continue to be concentrated in government-subsidized housing. The goal, they said, was to create diverse, mixed-income communities and allow tenants who are making good money to serve as role models for others.

HUD officials repeatedly objected to the audit, saying that evicting over-income families could “negatively affect their employment and destabilize properties.”

“There are positive social benefits from having families with varying income levels residing in the same property,” Milan Ozdinec, HUD’s deputy assistant secretary for public housing and voucher programs, wrote in a lengthy rebuttal to the inspector general.

“Forcing families to leave public housing could impact their ability to maintain employment if they are not able to find suitable housing in the neighborhood,” Ozdinec wrote. “Further, for families with children, it may be more difficult to find affordable child care, and it may impact school-age children’s learning if they are forced to change schools during a school year.”

The watchdog said it didn’t believe that HUD should kick out every family that earns more than the income threshold. But at the very least, the agency should create “limits to avoid egregious cases.”

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harry p.
harry p.
August 18, 2015 9:30 am

I read this story this morning, not even the slightest bit surprised.
Ita funny that there are so many ways and options for peoplw to get to the public trough but in this instant there is no reg to get them off, why?
Because govt wants them on and to never come off…

Persnickety
Persnickety
August 18, 2015 9:49 am

I can’t think of any good reason a family making half a million bucks would want to stay in public housing. I can however think of two bad reasons:
1) Most likely, a family member is some local elected official or important bureaucrat who needs to live there for political support and/or street cred.
2) Less likely, they are somehow profiteering off the other locals and being there helps them make money.

Rife
Rife
August 18, 2015 10:08 am

It is just good capitalism………

overthecliff
overthecliff
August 18, 2015 10:10 am

Yes, this stuff sucks. Yes, this stuff should end. I despise the FSA. However, it is just the tip of the iceberg. The real money is in corporate welfare and those pricks don’t live in public housing.

TE
TE
August 18, 2015 4:39 pm

Yet the slumlords, that makes billions and billions, are completely ignored.

Yes some people take advantage, so make sure that doesn’t happen Mr. Gubment worker.

But to the “watchdog” FUCK YOU.

We refuse to attack any of the REAL issues and focus on low hanging fruit to feel good about “doing something.”

We deserve what is headed our way, we (the vast majority) really do.

Econman
Econman
August 19, 2015 4:06 am

Wow, TE is really pissed off lately or, like a lot of people, has been for awhile but is now expressing it?

Econman
Econman
August 19, 2015 4:16 am

I’m starting to hear more people every day, from all ethnic groups across the board, becoming irate at the way things are = the only way it can change.

TE
TE
August 19, 2015 6:35 pm

@Econ, I am pissed, we routinely spending 100x’s the cost of the “crime” to “punish” or enact fairness. Nearly everyday I read where a less than $500 – in actual transaction cost – “crime” (with no one injured, hurt, or wanting “justice,”) ends up costing me tens and tens and tens of thousands of dollars.

It pisses me off.

When we focus our fury (by being led by a paid-shill) on the petty criminal, but allow the REAL criminals to pocket the majority of the money, it pisses me off.

All I ever hear is people demanding MORE “punishments” of us little guys while the actual destroyers get away, with even MORE of my money.

Name anything regulated, or “provided” in the country and I can guarantee you there is cheating and ineligible people getting something free. Which sucks, sucks hard for those of us that play by the rules, BUT, the truth is the guys we admire and defend and demand to hire for “us” are the ones that stealing it all and destroying our world.

So, yeah, it pisses me off.

But, no, I’m not pissed in general, I’m learning to compartmentalize better. Come here, rant, feel better. Mention – but attempt to remain zen – to those that want to know how bad its getting in real life. The rest of the time I’m on a mission to be happy for all that is right in my world – and there always is, always. Which is why I’m only here a couple days a week. Serenity now.