Doug Casey’s Top Five Reasons Not to Vote

(Interviewed by Louis James, Editor, International Speculator)

This interview was published on October 22, 2012

Editor’s Note: Longtime readers know that Casey Research founder Doug Casey doesn’t vote. In today’s Weekend Edition, Doug explains five reasons why voting isn’t just stupid, it’s evil…

Louis James: Doug, we’ve spoken about presidents. We have a presidential election coming up in the U.S. – an election that could have significant consequences on our investments. But given the views you’ve already expressed on the Tea Party movement and anarchy, I’m sure you have different ideas. What do you make of the impending circus, and what should a rational man do?

Doug: Well, a rational man, which is to say, an ethical man, would almost certainly not vote in this election, or in any other – at least above a local level, where you personally know most of both your neighbors and the candidates.

L: Why? Might not an ethical person want to vote the bums out?

Doug: He might feel that way, but he’d better get his emotions under control. I’ve thought about this. So let me give you at least five reasons why no one should vote.

The first reason is that voting is an unethical act, in and of itself. That’s because the state is pure, institutionalized coercion. If you believe that coercion is an improper way for people to relate to one another, then you shouldn’t engage in a process that formalizes and guarantees the use of coercion.

L: It’s probably worth defining coercion in this context. I know you agree with me that force is ethical in self-defense. A murderer I shoot might feel coerced into accepting a certain amount of hot lead that he did not consent to, but he intended the same, or worse, for me, so the scales are balanced. What you are talking about is forcing innocent, non-consenting others to do things against their wills, like paying taxes that go to pay for military adventures they believe are wrong, etc.

Doug: Right. The modern state not only routinely coerces people into doing all sorts of things they don’t want to do – often very clearly against their own interests – but it necessarily does so, by its nature. People who want to know more about that should read our conversation on anarchy. This distinction is very important in a society with a government that is no longer limited by a constitution that restrains it from violating individual rights. And when you vote, you participate in, and endorse, this unethical system.

L: It’s probably also worth clarifying that you’re not talking about all voting here. When you are a member of a golfing club and vote on how to use the fees, you and everyone else have consented to the process, so it’s not unethical. It’s participating in the management of the coercive machinery of the state you object to, not voting in and of itself.

Doug: Exactly. As Mao correctly said, “The power of the State comes out of the barrel of a gun.” It’s not like voting for the leadership of a social club. Unlike a golfing club or something of that nature, the state won’t let you opt out.

L: Even if you’re not harming anyone and just want to be left alone.

Doug: Which relates to the second reason, privacy. It compromises your privacy to vote. It gets your name added to a list government busybodies can make use of, like court clerks putting together lists of conscripts for jury duty. Unfortunately, this is not as important a reason as it used to be, because of the great proliferation of lists people are on anyway. Still, while it’s true there’s less privacy in our world today, in general, the less any government knows about you, the better off you are. This is, of course, why I’ve successfully refused to complete a census form for the last 40 years.

L: [Chuckles] We’ve talked about the census. Good for you.

Doug: It’s wise to be a nonperson, as far as the state is concerned, as far as possible.

L: Not to digress too much, but some people might react by saying that juries are important.

Doug: They are, but it would be a waste of my time to sign up for jury duty, because I would certainly be kicked off any jury. No attorney would ever let me stay on the jury once we got to voir dire, because I would not agree to being a robot that simply voted on the facts and the law as instructed by the judge – I’d want to vote on the morality of the law in question too. I’d be interested in justice, and very few laws today, except for the basic ones on things like murder and theft, have anything to do with justice. If the case related to drug laws, or tax laws, I would almost certainly automatically vote to acquit, regardless of the facts of the case.

L: I’ve thought about it too, because it is important, and I might be willing to serve on a jury. And of course I’d vote my conscience too. But I’d want to be asked, not ordered to do it. I’m not a slave.

Doug: My feelings exactly.

L: But we should probably get to your third reason for not voting.

Doug: That would be because it’s a degrading experience. The reason I say that is because registering to vote, and voting itself, usually involves taking productive time out of your day to go stand around in lines in government offices. You have to fill out forms and deal with petty bureaucrats. I know I can find much more enjoyable and productive things to do with my time, and I’m sure anyone reading this can as well.

L: And the pettier the bureaucrat, the more unpleasant the interaction tends to be.

Doug: I have increasing evidence of that every time I fly. The TSA goons are really coming into their own now, as our own homegrown Gestapo wannabes.

L: It’s a sad thing… Reason number four?

Doug: As P.J. O’Rourke says in a recent book, and as I’ve always said, voting just encourages them.

I’m convinced that most people don’t vote for candidates they believe in, but against candidates they fear. But that’s not how the guy who wins sees it; the more votes he gets, the more he thinks he’s got a mandate to rule – even if all his votes are really just votes against his opponent. Some people justify this, saying it minimizes harm to vote for the lesser of two evils. That’s nonsense, because it still leaves you voting for evil. The lesser of two evils is still evil.

Incidentally, I got as far as this point in 1980, when I was on the Phil Donahue show. I had the whole hour on national TV all to myself, and I felt in top form. It was actually the day before the national election, when Jimmy Carter was the incumbent, running against Ronald Reagan. After I made some economic observations, Donahue accused me of intending to vote for Reagan. I said that I was not, and as sharp as Donahue was, he said, “Well, you’re not voting for Carter, so you must be voting Libertarian…”

I said no, and had to explain why not. I believed then just as I do now. And it was at about this point when the audience, which had been getting restive, started getting really upset with me. I never made it to point five.

Perhaps I shouldn’t have been surprised. That same audience, when I pointed out that their taxes were high and were being wasted, contained an individual who asked, “Why do we have to pay for things with our taxes? Why doesn’t the government pay for it?” I swear that’s what he said; it’s on tape. If you could go back and watch the show, you’d see that the audience clapped after that brilliant question. Which was when I first realized that while the situation is actually hopeless, it’s also quite comic…

L: [Laughs]

Doug: And things have only gotten worse since then, with decades more public education behind us.

L: I bet that guy works in the Obama administration now, where they seem to think exactly as he did; the government will just pay for everything everyone wants with money it doesn’t have.

Doug: [Chuckles] Maybe so. He’d now be of an age where he’s collecting Social Security and Medicare, plus food stamps, and likely gaming the system for a bunch of other freebies. Maybe he’s so discontent with his miserable life that he goes to both Tea Party and Green Party rallies to kill time. I do believe we’re getting close to the endgame. The system is on the verge of falling apart. And the closer we get to the edge, the more catastrophic the collapse it appears we’re going to have.

Which leads me to point number five: Your vote doesn’t count. If I’d gotten to say that to the Donahue audience, they probably would have stoned me. People really like to believe that their individual votes count. Politicians like to say that every vote counts, because it gets everyone into busybody mode, makes voters complicit in their crimes. But statistically, any person’s vote makes no more difference than a single grain of sand on a beach. Thinking their vote counts seems to give people who need it an inflated sense of self-worth.

That’s completely apart from the fact – as voters in Chicago in 1960 and Florida in 2000 can tell you – when it actually does get close, things can be, and often are, rigged. As Stalin famously said, it’s not who votes that counts, it’s who counts the votes.

Anyway, officials manifestly do what they want, not what you want them to do, once they are in office. They neither know, nor care, what you want. You’re just another mark, a mooch, a source of funds.

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TE
TE
October 24, 2015 3:38 pm

Gotta love his inherent optimism.

And I completely agree.

In my extended family if you attempt to talk about anything “political,” the old cliche of “if you don’t vote you can’t bitch,” comes out.

I used to believe that, then it just made me angry, now I just laugh.

Keep on doing the same things over and over and thinking that the outcome will change.

That is funny. Insane too.

The truth is treason in an age of lies. Has that ever been more true than what we see today?

Anonymous
Anonymous
October 24, 2015 4:03 pm

If voting is of no importance then at least half of what is posted here is simple foolishness, a total waste of time.

Better to buy lots of guns and ammo than talk about useless fantasy subjects, right?

Yes, there are many sites that advocate just that, some full of keyboard commandos beating their virtual chests and some that I think are much more serious about it.

As for me, I’ll vote and vote and vote till there is absolutely no choice but to look at other options.

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B
October 24, 2015 5:20 pm

What is so wrong of people voting to accept laws that are enforced by the State? Is the alternative then to have laws, or laws not enforceable by the State? The problem is the State forcing laws down our throat that we do not want them (Patriot Act, NAFTA, etc.) The solution to that problem is simple, the people have to get involved and actually take the time to vote, write a letter to the editor or to call or write to their Congressman to express their views on things. If that doesn’t work then you take to the streets marching peaceably , at least at first. People like to whine, but refuse to take 5 minutes to call their Congressman. Americans have the government that they deserve. Everybody does.
Reason #2, is giving your personal info to vote invades your privacy. Giving personal information for voting is probably the least of the invasions of your privacy that you allow on a daily basis. If you are on any social network, you hardly care about this. If you use a smart phone, you hardly care about privacy.This is not to mention posting on site like this where they not only have your personal info, more importantly they now know what you think. For 99% of Americans, privacy no longer exists in the U.S.A.
A nation of 300 million people cannot exist without a State. We will have a State whether we like it or not. What matters is who controls the State. The Peoples abandonment of their civic duties, of which voting is the major one, has led us to our predicament. We have allowed the Predators to take control of our government. How not voting will ever hope to change that is beyond me. I vote every time. If I do not like either candidate, I vote for a 3rd party candidate or write in a name. What would happen if during the next elections 30% of the votes were for a 3rd party? At the minimum it would get TPTB to start to think and in the bargain give those who hold alternate views encouragement to run for political office perhaps helping to throw off the death grip that the 2 party system has on our political system
I followed Casey (or his father) 40 years ago and like CNBC always touting stocks, he is always touting PMs. Like the CNBC talking heads and a broken clock, he is right occasionally. He makes his living peddling fear (and I am a gold bug).

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bb
October 24, 2015 9:10 pm

BB says to B well said my friend!!!!!

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Ouirphuqd
October 25, 2015 8:57 am

Started saying a decade or so ago: “We pretend we vote and they pretend to represent us!” It has become my mantra!

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B
October 25, 2015 11:44 am

“The price good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men.”
Plato