Europe’s non-European future

Guest Post by Donald Sensing

reposted from Feb 17, 2006, at my previous site (no longer online)

Don’t say no one foresaw what was going to happen to Europe once the Middle East figured out that the continent – or at least its political class – was not really interested in remaining European.

With the demographics of ethnic Europeans apparently at the cusp of an irreversible death spiral because 17 countries of the continent have birth rates of 1.3 or lower, here’s a peek inside one of Europe’s chief problems by Bruce Bawer, author of the forthcoming book, While Europe Slept : How Radical Islam is Destroying the West from Within. Writing in the Hudson Review last fall after living in Europe for several years, Bawer observed:

Living in Europe, I gradually came to appreciate American virtues I’d always taken for granted, or even disdained—among them a lack of self-seriousness, a grasp of irony and self-deprecating humor, a friendly informality with strangers, an unashamed curiosity, an openness to new experience, an innate optimism, a willingness to think for oneself and speak one’s mind and question the accepted way of doing things. (One reason why Europeans view Americans as ignorant is that when we don’t know something, we’re more likely to admit it freely and ask questions.) While Americans, I saw, cherished liberty, Europeans tended to take it for granted or dismiss it as a naïve or cynical, and somehow vaguely embarrassing, American fiction. I found myself toting up words that begin with i: individuality, imagination, initiative, inventiveness, independence of mind. Americans, it seemed to me, were more likely to think for themselves and trust their own judgments, and less easily cowed by authorities or bossed around by “experts”; they believed in their own ability to make things better. No wonder so many smart, ambitious young Europeans look for inspiration to the United States, which has a dynamism their own countries lack, and which communicates the idea that life can be an adventure and that there’s important, exciting work to be done. Reagan-style “morning in America” clichés may make some of us wince, but they reflect something genuine and valuable in the American air. Europeans may or may not have more of a “sense of history” than Americans do (in fact, in a recent study comparing students’ historical knowledge, the results were pretty much a draw), but America has something else that matters—a belief in the future.

This is the continent that is the very front line against Islamism. Whatever one might say about Osaama bin Laden, et. al., that they lack faith in the future isn’t it. They are convinced to the marrow of their bones that Islam is mere years away from dominating not just Europe, but the entire planet.

Will Europeans succumb without a fight? Well, their governments certainly will, but that the people will is not at all certain. After the brutal, Islamist murder of Theo van Gogh in Holland, some ethnic Dutch torched some mosques, which was decried as a terrible thing at the time but which we realize from the cartoon protests is actually a valid response to being made angry. In The West’s Last Chance: Will We Win the Clash of Civilizations?, Tony Blankley speculates that the coming years in Europe may be bloody as ethnic Europeans (my term, not his) realize that their governments are determined to surrender to the Islamists. The masses, he says, may suddenly decide not to stand for it and the prospect of open battles in the streets of major cities may become reality. Or maybe not, Blankley says, because it’s far from certain as well that the masses of Europe have that kind of energy or fight left in them.

But even if they do, they will still lose. The death spiral is real, not speculative. Unless the European masses decide to accept 20 years of a dramatically lower economy so that women can leave the work force to have 2-3 babies apiece, Europe, as a European continent, is done for. What do you think the odds of the masses deciding to do that are?

 

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Oh the birthrates in Europe will rise..it just won’t caused by European men.

Danish teen fought off her attacker – now she’ll face fine
http://www.thelocal.dk/20160126/danish-teen-fought-off-her-attacker-with-pepper-spray-now-shell-face-fine

The teenager told police that she was attacked in central Sønderborg on Wednesday at around 10pm by a dark-skinned English-speaking man. She said the man knocked her to the ground and then unbuttoned her pants and attempted to undress her.

The girl was able to save herself from further assault by using pepper spray on the attacker, but now she may be the one who ends up in legal trouble.

“It is illegal to possess and use pepper spray, so she will likely be charged for that,” local police spokesman Knud Kirsten told TV Syd.

Twelve rapists, a 13-year-old victim and a terrifying truth Britain still won’t face: The disturbing full story behind the gangs of Pakistani men who target white girls
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Billy
Billy

Hama Rules.

They sowed the wind. Eventually, they will realize the only way to solve the Muslime problem is to not have any Muslimes around.

And then things will get very interesting.

Europe isn’t “done” just yet… granted, it takes us awhile to get any traction, but when we finally get our collective shit together, I’m thinking Habib might want to pick up some change of address forms down at the Post Office…

Anonymous
Anonymous

The European people are going to end up having to fight a coalition of their governments and Muslim invaders if they want to stave off Europe becoming another Islamic controlled region the same as the ME and related areas are.

We should consider ourselves fortunate that we don’t allow that sort of situation to develop here.

Francis Marion

European leaders are guilty of treason. They haven’t just given in to Islam – they have used it as a weapon to subdue their own populations. When Islamic rapists are afforded sympathy by politicians because they have had a hard life and a rape victim is charged with a crime for defending herself it is evident what the end game is. Go long on rope and pitch forks. When this thing blows it will make the French Revolution look like a kiddie party.

Billy
Billy

We should consider ourselves fortunate that we don’t allow that sort of situation to develop here. – Anon

Yeah, I know right?

Sure am glad we don’t have a significant number of agitating fuckers over here that our own government imported for the sole purpose of sowing discord and violence – to be used as a fig leaf to cover their massive power grab when all of Hell breaks loose…

Anonymous
Anonymous
overthecliff

What is the difference? We are all going to ZIRP.

Pirate Jo
Pirate Jo

Europe’s declining birth rates will be good for poverty, unemployment, and their environment, but none of that will do any good if they let all those crazies in.

Chicago999444
Chicago999444

I agree with Pirate Jo. Back in the 70s, when I and a large number of other Baby Boom women, then in our 20s and early 30s, either deferred breeding or declined to do it altogether, I imagined that the resulting birth dearth might result in lower unemployment, lower crime, and better living conditions for the extant population and the children they chose to have. And you know what- it did… for a while. Crime rates dropped in the 90s because there were far fewer youth, and specifically far few youth from poor minority homes, in the population, while middle class kids had expanded education and job opportunities. We boomers had, conversely, confronted a very overcrowded employment market in the early 70s, thanks to the wave of newly-minted boomer adults landing in adulthood in the recession of the 70s, while college was totally out of reach for anyone not in the top 5% of his or her class, at almost any decent school, there was such a flood of high school grads trying to get admitted.

However, our powers were aghast, for the low birth rates of the 70s augered a continuance of the labor conditions of the 50s. The huge wage gains of the 50s and 60s and corresponding power of the unions that won so many gains for its blue collar members, were fueled by the shortage of labor in that era, as the “silent gen” that reached adulthood in the 50s was much smaller than those on either side of it. Any able-bodied man could get a job that paid “breadwinner” wages, and a man with real brains and ability could advance very quickly, even without a college degree, something that was still not ordinary at that time.

So, by the late 60s, as my mother learned, corporations were searching for off-shore slave labor havens to which to relocate their manufacturing,and were applying political pressure to our powers to broker trade deals and fight wars to control and topple the governments in these places. We delude ourselves if we think that any of the wars fought after WW2 were fought for any other reason but to make life safe for our corporation in 3rd world slave labor havens.

That’s right, Vietnam vets, and veterans of all our incursions into the middle east. Tens of thousands of you died or came home crippled for life, so your jobs could be exported and your wages here decimated. Hey, it’s for your “country”.

But sending thousands of our young men to die in the killing fields wasn’t enough. Our owners couldn’t abide the thought that the sheeple here were still able to mostly make a good living, and mostly live decent lives in good housing, with good food, affordable health care, and decent schools. NOOOOOOOO. So we had to flood the country with millions of desperately poor people from the very poorest countries, who would agree to work under the table for a fraction of the going rate, and live crowded together, as many as 10 people per room, in deteriorating apartments, or illegally converted basements, for exorbitant rents.

Understand that our overlords don’t care if 90% of the native citizenry of this country is reduced to ragged, shanty-on-open-sewer poverty. They don’t care if our young men are killed in foreign wars by the tens of thousands for their sake, so why would they care if our young women are raped and murdered by savages, in similar numbers? In fact, they would prefer these outcomes. The more frightened, traumatized, desperate, and poor we are, the better things are for them. We are more willing to elect demogogues and submit to Strongman dictators. and it’s nice to have veritable armies of desperate, frightened people willing to work 12 hours a day for a sandwich of mystery meat and a bed of straw on a dirt floor, doing things like building your $250M house and swabbing the decks on your mega-yacht.

As an aside. I never saw a better argument for unrestricted early-term abortion than these rapes by Muslim men. I can’t think of anything more degrading or dehumanizing than being forced to carry a child fathered by some rapist scum, especially if he or they be the Muslim horde invading Europe… and coming here very soon if we Americans do not rise up and demand that

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phhttttt…European culture ain’t all that..Diversity is our strength.

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Pirate Jo
Pirate Jo

Chicago, there are a lot of special snowflakes in the world who find the idea offensive, but the truth is that human labor is subject to the same laws of supply and demand as everything else. In Simon Schama’s book, The History of Britain, he spent a chapter or two talking about the Black Plague and its aftermath. It was the only time in the recorded history of humanity that the human population on the planet actually declined. In its wake, however, life for the average person was better than ever. Where there used to be a handful of landed gentry and an endless sea of unskilled labor vying for the small pittance they could make working the owners’ farms, suddenly labor was in short supply and the price of it went way, way up. The people with money had to pay more to get the peasants to work for them, so they got poorer and the peasants got richer. Wealth inequality declined.

You have to hand it to the rich, though. They don’t think short-term. They won’t have children unless they have something to offer those children and continue the dynasty. The only wealthy people I know are those who inherited businesses. One millionaire inherited an insurance agency from his father. A pretty good gig – a commission-paying book of business had already been set up, and all he had to do was inherit it. He’s done well for himself and has increased it in his own right. Another millionaire I know inherited farmland and three small businesses. He keeps them going and has grown his wealth. And … those are the only millionaires I know.

It used to be, in the 50s and 60s as you describe, that you could start with nothing and earn something for yourself. That time is over. Now, if you start with nothing, you most likely go into debt and then spend the rest of your life that way. You’ll end up with LESS than nothing.

My mother has two siblings, and all three siblings had two children each. Out of the six grandkids, only ONE had any children and he stopped after two. Our family is doing fine because those of us without kids can support the elderly relatives and leave something to the two kids so that they will have something someday besides a life of debt serfdom.

The poor, of course, have assloads of kids they can’t support. For all the hue and cry over children in poverty, most of them were born there, and the fault lies squarely on the shoulders of the parents. But then these people aren’t thinking about the lives their kids will have – they’re thinking only of their own “fulfillment” or of refrigerator art, sticky kisses, or unconditional love. It’s utterly selfish. Someone with brains and a long-term plan isn’t going to stick those they love most with a shitty future, even if that means they forgo having offspring altogether.

Saying those kinds of things out loud will get you called all kinds of things – eugenicist, nazi, Hitler – but it makes sense when you consider that most people don’t make decisions based on brains or long-term plans. It’s all based on emotion. In fact, if you follow the Myers-Briggs study, the second quadrant of your personality is either Thinking or Feeling, so it’s now considered perfectly legitimate to base your decisions on feelings/emotions, because that’s your personality type. I just want to ask those people how it works out for them. To me, CHILDREN make decisions based on emotion. They’re supposed to learn better and outgrow that by the time they become adults.

But that’s just how it is. The people who reproduce like elephants, having few offspring and investing a lot of resources into those few offspring, will have successful offspring. Those who reproduce like rabbits or mice will have lots of offspring who don’t succeed.

We could be a country with a small but very healthy elephant population, but we will ruin the whole thing if we let a bunch of rabbits in. We’ve got far too many of them inside our borders already. (Probably because we keep feeding them.)

Chicago999444
Chicago999444

Pirate Jo, you and I are sisters of the mind and spirit. I agree with your post 100%.

I’ve been called all those things, by both “conservatives” and “liberals”. I’ve been called a lot of other things, too. Conservatives call me a “baby killer”, “selfish” or a “feminazi”, while liberals call me a “eugenist”, or “elitist”, or “selfish”.

That’s OK. I’m used to name-calling, and I will freely admit to being “selfish”. I figure I have the right to be selfish. What I do NOT have the right to do, is burden my fellow humans with bills I cannot pay, whether it’s a house I can’t afford, or kids I can’t support or don’t want to trouble to raise properly and provide with survival skills. I figure that the youth of the future will thank me for not adding more competitors for dwindling supplies of jobs, food, and land.

Araven
Araven

Pirate Jo, yes, it is selfish to have kids. I selfishly wonder a lot about what those of us who did not have children are gong to do when we are too old to take care of ourselves. It is all very well to talk about how nice it is to have a number of childless siblings to help take care of the elderly parents and the nieces and nephews, but what happens when it is our turn to be taken care of and there is nobody there to do it? No matter how generous we are as an auntie or uncle those nieces and nephews are going to take care of their parents first. What’s the likelihood that they will have any resources left for us?

Pirate Jo
Pirate Jo

Araven, I will take care of myself until I can’t, and then I’ll die. That’s what happens to all living things. I’m only 45 and am not going to spend the next three decades fretting and stewing about how things are going to be when I’m past 80. Presumably, life will suck, because it pretty much sucks for everyone who gets to be that old, and then I’ll croak. I simply don’t care.

At any rate, having children would only make my situation worse. If I had kids, their standard of living would be lower than mine. Because ten billion humans. I would spend a lot of time and money trying to raise a kid who wouldn’t be able to take care of me anyway.

Chicago999444
Chicago999444

Araven, I know far too many extremely old people who have had kids and spent their lives and all their money raising, feeding, and educating those kids, never stinting, and whose kids are not contributing to their care because they have moved to a distant city in pursuit of a good job. Have an old school chum who devoted every minute of her life to raising her son, yet she has not seen or spoken to him in 20 years now. Another elderly friend outlived both her husband and her beloved, but sickly, son. There are hundreds of elderly people in my neighborhood who hardly ever see their kids.

And it’s not just American “culture”. You can’t help but notice that as a society becomes industrialized and wealthy, families and clans begin to draw apart. Read about a Chinese couple in their 90s, dirt-poor peasants in a remote rural province who had 6 children in the belief that they would be there to care for them in old age. Well, the kids are all in Bejing or some other industrial city, and making good money at jobs their parents could never dream of, but they’re too busy buying cars and other bling and have no money or time for their dirt-poor parents.

Moral of the story is don’t have kids just for old-age insurance. You have no assurance whatsoever that they will be here to care for you when the time comes. Nurture your friendships and save your money.

Yancey Ward
Yancey Ward

The European elite entertain themselves with the statistics that Muslims only make up 10% of the populations and/or that they won’t be majorities for a long time, if ever based on immigration and birthrates. However, this overlooks one very important fact- it is intensity of belief in a culture that matters. In other words, it won’t take 50%+ of the population being being Muslim to cause the fall of European culture- it will happen long before that level is reached- I am guessing about 20% will be all it takes before the other 80% is forced to submit by threat of violence alone.

Araven
Araven

Pirate Jo, you’re young yet. I’m a lot closer to the reality of being old without children. Very few people make it to 80 with a level of health and fitness that doesn’t require any assistance. You think you have another 30 years before you have to think about assistance? Based on population demographics it’s probably more like 15 to 20. Regardless of your age when it happens, what about the period of transition when life is still worth living, but you can’t quite do it on your own? If you have enough money to hire someone and we are still civilized enough that there are people you can hire then maybe you’ll be OK for a while, but what if we’re not?

Chicago, just because the issue isn’t US specific doesn’t make it cultural. I highly doubt that HSFs kids would not take care of him if/when he needs it because he raised them right. Like any investment you don’t have 100% assurance of a good return on your investment, but what I’m finding out now is that I have 100% assurance that I will not get any returns since I did not make the investment – Unless I can find a couple of 20 to 30 year olds to adopt now so they can start taking care of me in 5 to 10 years. 🙁

Homer
Homer

Pirate Jo–I certainly agree with your post. It’s nice to have kids that will take care of you in your old age. But…I have to agree rather hardily with your statement about taking care of yourself until you can’t and then die.

I have told my children, more than once, that they have no obligation to me. They are obligated to their children, the new generation, not me. We have pored a lot of resources and guidance into our kids, that they might have a better life then we did. We gladly sacrificed for them. It paid off. We have fulfilled our sacred obligation to the future and to God.

Contrast that with the baby boomers, the gimme generation, Who now seek every opportunity to get a bigger piece of the pie at the expense of their children and the future generation. What do you expect from the ‘hippie generation’, self absorbed, narcissists. I know that I am making a lot of you mad by suggesting such a thing, too bad. These are the people in power, today, not only taking from our future children for today’s consumption, but, starting wars all over the globe for what we can steal from others. The truth is hard.

Socialism sure sounds good, but the truth is that someone always pays. It doesn’t matter to you as long as it is someone else pays and not you. That’s the allure of Socialism. It’s not you that pays for your freebies. It’s the rich. hahaha The truth is that you as a nation have borrowed the future wealth of the next generation forward, have borrowed the wealth of other countries forward. in a world of peak resources, we have greedily gobbled up as much as we could without any regard for those who possessed those resources.

Socialism has within itself the seeds of it’s own destruction for it ignores natural law. Socialism has within itself the seeds of despotism. It relies on ever increasing dictatorial control to achieve it’s ever fleeting success. Then it fails after decimating all it touches. And…Man regains his senses and wonders why anyone could believe in such a thing.

You will pay and you will pay dearly.

Shop Local
Shop Local

Free markets become capitalism which becomes fascism which becomes socialism which becomes dictatorship or communism which then, HOPEFULLY, becomes ?

Pirate Jo
Pirate Jo

Araven, if I’m 75 and we aren’t civilized enough for there to be people I can hire, I’m screwed either way, right? And my kids would be, too, but with a lot more life left at the end of said screwing.

I guess if it came right down to it, and my body was old and busted, I had no food in the fridge, and no money to buy any more food, there’s always sleeping pills, whiskey, and a trip out to the garage to climb into the car and start the engine without opening the garage door. But so what? That takes fifteen minutes. In the meantime, I have decades of life ahead of me with things to enjoy.

I’m going to be dead either way, whether I die broke or die rich. We all are. I don’t know what you think having more money or having kids is going to do to change that either way.

Pirate Jo
Pirate Jo

Say, Araven, also – I think I like your idea about adopting a 20-year-old! Named Sven. With awesome biceps and a great accent. 🙂 Might not be a bad way to go!

Pirate Jo
Pirate Jo

About the crazies in Muslim countries. All we have to do is keep them out. Leave them alone (we never should have started poking at them in the first place) but really all we have to do besides ignore them is keep them out. Every so often they will kill each other off, but it wouldn’t have to matter to us either way.

Chicago999444
Chicago999444

Pirate Jo, I had an old friend, way back about 25 years ago, who decided to do what you intend to do in case of the worst, and my only regret is that he did it way too soon. I will do the same and I only hope I do it in time, with the same order and dignity he did.

My friend was an affluant man much older than me, about 55 at that time. As I said, much too young. He was a very successful entrepreneur, and also a cultivated, refined man of highly developed taste and an interest in history, art, music, philosophy, and all the arts of life, which is how he and I became friends. He was a generous person who bankrolled friends of mine in their own business, which was how I met him.

However, he was a very lonely person, and not happy. He always tried to be upbeat and was very rational, and he put on a cheerful front, but it concealed a great unhappiness. He was in no sense mentally ill- quite the contrary. But he had no family whatsoever, and he and his girlfriend were drawing apart. And then, after watching another friend become afflicted with a crippling chronic disease, he became fearful that he might have a stroke, or develop a chronic, crippling condition like his friend. I really understand about that fear.

Well, he decided to end it, much too soon. However, I intend to do the same if I find myself on the descent into dependence and illness. I don’t intend to be a burden to my younger relatives. My friend dressed himself in his best smoking jacket, and sent overnight letters to the police with his house keys, so his remains could be attended to as quickly as possible. He also sent an overnight letter to his only living relative. His affairs were absolutely in order and his funeral arrangements made and paid for. He then took a combination of tranks and liquor over a period of hours, and ended it.

I only hope I can arrange to go the way he did. It’s just that he did it about 25 years too soon. However, an elderly couple here in Chicago, a decade or so back, made a similar decision, even though they had living children. They were both ailing and deteriorating, and saw no future for themselvs, so one cold night they went to the beach and gave themselves to the lake.

Pirate Jo
Pirate Jo

Chicago, I agree, that is sad. You don’t want to do it too soon, like your friend did, but you don’t want to wait too long and have the matter taken out of your own hands, either.

If you don’t have kids people will ask you who is going to change your diapers when you get old (like your kids would do that, anyway) and my answer is always ‘No one.’ I’m not going to live long enough to return to diapers.

Remember that young woman in the news last year? She had brain cancer and went all the way to Oregon to get drugs she could use to terminate her own life, and then she did so when her seizures became more frequent.

I’ll bet that within our own lifetimes, not only will weed be legal in most of the 50 states, but you won’t have to go all the way to Oregon to get the suicide drugs, either.

Of course there will be many people who approach this with a great deal of wailing and gnashing of teeth! The government is trying to get people to kill themselves, the horror! But come on, not only do we fork over a lot of money to old people for them to live on, look at the money we spend keeping them alive.

If you’re old, you get a monthly check and any surgery you need and the government will pay for it. Obviously that’s not going to continue and future generations won’t have that luxury, because it would take $200 trillion that we don’t have. But I question whether it’s really a luxury, anyway. People have some weird ideas about death. In many ways we’re kinder when it comes to euthanizing our pets. I think someday we will look back on this period in history and judge our actions as kindly meant but entirely misdirected. Frankly I just don’t WANT someone forcing me into a nursing home and changing my diapers when I’m too old to take care of myself. That isn’t a longer life, just a longer death.

In other news, I feel awkward to bring this up because I don’t mean to pry, but you mentioned a while back that your boyfriend had died, and I know you had been together a long time. You obviously have an active life and a strong will, but I have thought about your situation since then. I’ve been with my sweetie for nearly nine years now and it would be really hard for me to go through that. I hope things are going alright for you.

AC
AC

Full blown civil war between the sane Europeans on one side and the politicians, the communists, and the muslims on the other – it’s already started.

Darknlovely
Darknlovely

I suppose Europe had better start praying for a major blizzards across Germany and Finland.
http://www.businessinsider.com/thousands-of-refugees-are-fleeing-finland-some-of-them-think-its-just-too-cold-2016-2?r=UK&IR=T

nkit
nkit

“And so, once again, opinion was shaped to believe that racism in the cause of self-defense is the scourge of humanity.” ~ Jean Raspail

Chicago999444
Chicago999444

Thank you for your kindness, Pirate Jo. Actually, I’m doing quite well, and have a lot of plans and many friends. My boyfriend was more than a decade older than me, and when you have a partner who is substantially older, you accept that he might pass before you and that is natural. But it is still very sad, and I miss him very much.

The last few years have been very, very sad, for many of my most beloved people passed. My mother, my BF and 3 other relatives and close friends. I have to accept that I’m at the hour of life where you lose a lot of your dearest people, and that it happens to us all sometime. But it makes me a lot more accepting of the inevitability of my own end. I hope that is no time soon, and that I have a couple of decades left, but I know it’s late in the day and that everything comes to a close.

All I can say is love and appreciate the people you have while you have them, because you never know when they’ll be gone forever.

bb

For the ladies here , just my correct opinion. You all have to one degree or another fell for feminist ideology which is an out growth of Marxism. Last year I saw a article in a journal about feminism. The so called one hundred top feminist leaders of the last 50 years were all Jewish women who called themselves radical socialist. Why do you think a bunch of vile Jewish degenerates females would want white women to adopt their ideology? Why do you think they would try to.destroy white families ?White society ?

On Air
On Air

Chicago999444 please comment more. Homer at 1:58 pm, amazing. Pirate Jo, you are a hero. Courageous and eloquent, all. In spite of any crushed dreams, it gives me hope to know people like you walk the earth

Vic
Vic

I don’t believe not having the children will save America. I believe the reason our kids don’t have it as well is because of the Federal Reserve and all their buddies in government. Inflation and government regulations keep people from working, creating businesses, etc. Don’t blame it on the family. Blame in on the .gov/bankers.

AnarchoPagan
AnarchoPagan

Pirate Jo / Chicago,

Not questioning your decision not to have kids, and it’s true that my kids will probably have a harder time in life and a lower standard of living than I enjoyed, but if you asked them whether they would rather not have been born, I think they’d tell you where to stuff it. Life is not just a vale of tears, and they will likely still have better lives than 90% of the people who have ever lived.

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