VW Says: Thank You Sir! May I have Another?

So why did VW “cheat”? Uncle?VW badge

That question hasn’t been asked enough. It ought to be.

Now we have the answer – confirmation of what I suspected and wrote about earlier when this “scandal” broke last year.

VW “cheated” because it had to.

Because “cheating” was the only way to keep on selling diesel engines that delivered the mileage buyers expected at a cost that made economic sense to them.

Satisfying Uncle – passing his Rube Goldberg-esque emissions tests, which among other defects don’t measure the totality of a vehicle’s output – grams per mile –  but rather sample parts per million (PPM) with the vehicle in a stationary test rig, would have entailed a noticeable reduction in fuel efficiency and a very noticeable uptick in the cost of the vehicle. Or rather, the cost of the additional hardware necessary to placate Uncle.

Now there’s proof of this.

European Uncles have discovered that diesel-powered VW vehicles “fixed” to comply with the tests use more fuel now – which is a problem over there because European Uncles also regulate carbon dioxide (C02), which is classified as a “pollutant” because Global Warming (whoops, Climate Change).VW TDI graphic

The more fuel used, the more C02 produced. You see the problem.

Which isn’t the displeasure of the European Uncles.

It’s the fact that you can’t have your affordable/high-mileage diesel cake and eat your making-Uncle-happy, too. There is a reason why there are no modestly priced diesel-powered cars available in the United States … now that VW’s cars are off the market.

VW was the only automaker selling them – and now, they’re not.

And not likely to, ever again.

You can make a diesel that makes Uncle happy. But you can’t make one that makes Uncle happy and which is also affordable to buy and delivers mileage high enough to offset the always-higher price of buying a diesel car vs. the equivalent gas-powered version of the same car.

This is why all the diesel-powered cars you can still buy in this country are expensive cars.VWs sitting

All of them well over $30,000 – which renders moot considerations of economy. People buy Audi, BMW and Mercedes diesels for other reasons, such as abundant low-speed torque and the ability to go 600 miles on a tank of fuel. But it’s ridiculous to talk of “economy” when the car itself costs so much that any savings you realize by driving it are negated by the cost of purchasing it.

It is worth a mention in this vein that GM has quietly stopped selling the diesel-powered version of the Chevy Cruze sedan.

Though it cost significantly more than its VW analog – the $21,640 Jetta TDI – the 2015 Cruze diesel’s MSRP of $25,660 was still plausibly affordable.

As Inspector Clouseau used to say – not anymore.

Not at all, actually.

The Cruze diesel sleeps with the fishes. And it’s not just because the car has been redesigned for 2016. GM is still selling the 2015 Cruze – leftover last year’s models – as the 2016 Cruze Limited.

But not with the diesel engine.

Because Uncle.

That leaves… no one.cruze ad

VW’s out. GM – which had its toe in the water – has pulled out. Mazda, which had planned to bring diesels to the U.S. – isn’t coming in at all.

And still, no one in the industry will say what needs to be said. That Uncle has made it impossible to sell affordable diesels by imposing tailpipe emissions standards – and tests – that are unreasonable and which cannot be complied with without watering down the main reasons most people consider buying a diesel-powered car.

The cars are not “dirty,” first of all.

The “up to 40 times” stuff you’ve been hearing the crows in the media squawk about is never put into context, never defined. “Up to 40 times” is a scare term, fundamentally dishonest – because it implies that the output is in fact “40 times” rather than “up to“… which is a hell of a spread.

What if the actual output of objectionable-to-Uncle stuff is just 2-3 times? And what if that “2-3” times more represents a fraction of a percent?creepy Uncle

Why can’t – why won’t – anyone in the car business call Uncle’s bluff and bluster on this? Explain the fact that the tailpipe emissions of news cars (all of them) are nearly emissions-free?

Literally.

The feigned wailing and gnashing of teeth is over percents of a percent … 95-plus percent of any new car’s exhaust stream having been rendered “clean” years ago. VW is accused of “cheating” on a percent of the remaining 3 or so percent of the exhaust stream that could – theoretically- be further “cleaned.”

The problem now is one of cost vs. gains.

To get at that remaining 20 percent of 1 percent (to toss out a number, or a fraction of a number) will not be inexpensive – or easy. The question that must be asked if we are not to leap over the cliff like out-of-our-minds lemmings is, simply:

Is it worth doing?   

By any sane standard, the answer is – no!

There comes a point called diminishing returns. It is the point at which people who aren’t crazy begin to throttle back, pursue more effective gains elsewhere.diminishing returns

For example, if we’re really sweating these minuscule emissions, why not relax the federal “safety” mandates that have made cars so got-damned heavy that even subcompacts now weigh on average 2,500 pounds?

Yes, they are “safer” to be in, if you happen to run into a tree. But they are also heavy and that means more engine to lug them around and that means you use more fuel and – wait for it – the resultant total emissions output of the car (grams per mile) will be higher, even if the PPM is low on the test stand.

All else being equal, an 1,800 pound car with a 1 liter  diesel that averages 60 MPG will produce less of everything (including CO2, Captain Planet) than a 2,400 pound car that needs a 2 liter engine to heave its bulk and so only averages 40 MPG.    

But we live in an insane – and cowardly era.kick me image

Despite the cruel experience of the past several months – absolutely no mercy having been shown, the company kicked in the guts like a cur dog as it writhes on the floor –  VW is begging for more.   

It caves to every ridiculous demand. Challenges nothing Uncle says. Leaves the impression that Uncle was right, that VW deserves to be kicked in the guts like a cur dog for trying to build cars that would be what buyers were interested in rather than what Uncle was demanding they be.

The likely result of this will be the ruin of VW, which maybe VW deserves – though not for reason of “cheating” Uncle.

Rather, for not having the balls to tell Uncle to pound sand…

And for not going to bat for us – the people who buy the cars.

 

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TC
TC
April 7, 2016 6:36 am

My buddy’s old jetta diesel got over 40 mpg… pulling our two sport bikes to bike week. I suspect the real motivation behind killing diesel cars is that they posed a real threat to the EV in the mind of the consumer. Cheap, effiicient and clean and ridiculous range on a tank of diesel.

kokoda
kokoda
April 7, 2016 8:08 am

TC….your thinking is great but your aim is a tad off.
….they posed a real threat to the EV in the mind of Obama, Elon Musk, and the other friends of EV.

Get rid of the competition. This is just like they have done with Solar/Wind vs coal. The cheaper, more efficient, scaleable product is rendered to the dustbin via regulations. But your friends become rich.

Anonymous
Anonymous
April 7, 2016 9:21 am

65 miles to the gallon but unavailable in the U.S.

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Europe gets to have them, we don’t.

TC
TC
April 7, 2016 9:23 am

kokoda – that’s what I meant. The consumer loves the little diesel cars, which presents a problem to the PTB that want to push the less efficient, more expensive and more net pollution EV solution.

Aquapura
Aquapura
April 7, 2016 12:29 pm

This Eric Peters guys seems really pissed off he can’t get a diesel. I think EPA mandates are mostly bull but I always get a little wound up when people think the diesel motor is the solution to all our problems. Back in 2008-09 when oil was spiking it was all over the place how this magic fuel was our fix. Horseshit.

#1 – you can’t take a barrel of crude and refine it all into diesel fuel. Since Europe loves diesel so much and gasoline less so they often export refined gasoline to N. America. We get cheaper “gas” as a result. If the whole world switched to diesel for personal transport there would be shortages. It’s impossible. Also note that Europe uses diesel for reasons not entirely around efficiency. Vehicles are taxed on HP and displacement unlike in N. America. To manage their own gov’ts people went that direction.

#2 – diesel fuel is a national security concern. In times of scarcity users such as the military and agriculture will get priority, not your 50mpg commuter. Never mind construction, over road trucking and generally any heavy industry which live on diesel fuel. Gasoline is the fuel of light vehicles for a reason.

#3 – there is more BTU per gallon in diesel than in gasoline. Same argument goes with gasoline to ethanol. Comparing efficiency on a straight MPG basis isn’t fair. Although good, the perceived efficiency of your diesel isn’t actually what you think it is.

Mesomorph
Mesomorph
April 7, 2016 3:06 pm

I own one of the “dirty diesels” and I’m going to be pissed if I have to sell it back to VW even at full price. I love the car and there is nothing available that I could replace it with. The other diesel wagons cost around 50% more than the VW and get slightly worse fuel economy. Besides, my diesel vehicles achieve around 50% better fuel economy than their gasoline equivalents but diesel fuel cost me 55% more than regular gasoline. Hybrid? I drive highway miles and the hybrid doesn’t come close to the diesels on open roads. The consumer has lost the war on diesel .

I have a few questions.
So why would VW roll over and admit guilt so quickly?
Why are the other automakers not complaining about VW’s unfair advantage? I would think it is because they cheat too.
If the cars in question emit a few more ppm of NOS at the tail pipe but the increased fuel economy of the cars keeps a few supertankers from making the trip from the Middle East is that being factored in? Because I’m pretty sure there are worse things coming out of a supertanker’s exhaust in addition the NOS. It’s fuzzy math like when they say nuclear steam generators don’t emit CO2 but obviously the diesel burned to mine the ore isn’t factored in.
Anyway this is almost becoming a rant and I need to go.

Westcoaster
Westcoaster
April 7, 2016 3:29 pm

If they couldn’t make a diesel that passes U.S. emissions then they shouldn’t have exported them, pure and simple. If you don’t like the regs take it up with your Representative. Or buy a Prius.

kokoda
kokoda
April 7, 2016 4:25 pm

Coast…you are a brain-dead liberal. Did you even read the article?

The real problem is the EPA issuing ridiculous regulations:
What we have is a dictatorial regime that never admits they are wrong; the gas mileage more than counters any minuscule % increase in tailpipe emissions. It is an ideology on steroids.

From your standpoint, if you lived under Stalin, Hitler, Edi Amin, Pol Pot, Mao, etc. – whatever demands/laws they issue, you just jump on board and don’t fight for what is right.

You are part of the reason for the downfall of the U.S.

overthecliff
overthecliff
April 7, 2016 4:26 pm

The object of EPA rules is not to get clean cars. It is to make cars so expensive that only the very wealthy and government can afford them. They want us ti walk, ride bikes or the metro because that would make us easier to control.

AC
AC
April 7, 2016 4:32 pm

I see a real market for surreptitious conversions of zero-emission electric vehicles into zero-emissions-controls turbo-diesel vehicles.

In fact, VW should probably sell ‘electric’ cars that are easy to convert to diesel. The Mexican drug cartels can start smuggling in contraband engines and other miscellaneous parts.

The other option I’ve considered is having a 10kW+ diesel prime-power generator (100% duty cycle) on a trailer behind an electric car, with an extension cord to the car. Sort of a FU to the environazis.

Llpoh
Llpoh
April 7, 2016 6:20 pm

Lots of laws keep folks from doing things. Hell, my biz is affectd by dozens of them. I work with what the laws are, or I do not work. Same goes for many, many businesses.

But VW responds by committing mass fraud. Fuck them. What makes them exempt?

Plus, they did this world-wide, not just in the US.

They deserve what they get, and more. Hope they go broke.

kokoda
kokoda
April 7, 2016 7:14 pm

AC…I didn’t understand the content of your comment, but it sounded so fucking good that I gave you a + thumb.

johnboy
johnboy
April 7, 2016 8:46 pm

The older 70’s vw diesels got over 70 mpg. Progress.

Mesomorph
Mesomorph
April 7, 2016 9:25 pm

With better bearings, lubricants and aerodynamics one would think we would see better fuel economy over the years but somehow the best today’s automakers can do is match the fuel economy of a ’72 Honda CVCC.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
April 7, 2016 9:57 pm

If the buyers had been illegals, they would get free gas and liability insurance to boot.

Rick Caird
Rick Caird
April 9, 2016 3:46 pm

I still maintain that VW did nothing wrong. They simply had a software switch that changed the performance parameters of the engine based on the driving conditions. If the vehicle was running at a constant speed on level, straight terrain, it simply selected a low output setting. That is not only the EPA test, but also driving I-70 through Kansas.