I just want our media over there to record those towel headed goat fuckers killing each other in the name of allah.
Dirtscratcher
May 2, 2016 2:52 pm
On the level of commerce: we buy their stuff and sell them our stuff.
artbyjoe
May 2, 2016 2:55 pm
0%.
FuckErdogan.com
May 2, 2016 3:00 pm
At the level of killing ISIS with air power, including B-29s. NOT at the level of supporting ISIS or any other factions against Assad. Not at the level of supplying the Saudi’s or Qatari’s with weaponry that they will deliver to any faction against Assad.
Araven
May 2, 2016 3:04 pm
Zero.
jamesthewanderer
May 2, 2016 3:08 pm
Uhhh, FErdogan, I’m not sure there are any B-29’s in service outside of possibly an airshow. B-52’s were the WWII and Cold War carpet-bombing workhorses, is that what you were after?
I would like to see us building waterworks, sewage plants and highways anywhere that wants them and is willing to pay for them. Otherwise, not so much.
MadMax1861
May 2, 2016 3:10 pm
0%. Close all the embassies , end all direct flights, end all foreign aid, end all trade, remove our military forces, no more immigrants or visitors from the region. If there are any large scale musloid terrorist attacks in the USA then nuke Mecca.
Thomas Jefferson
May 2, 2016 3:14 pm
Politically: none
Commercially: As much as mutually desired.
“President Jefferson announced in his first inaugural address that his foreign policy would be “honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none.”
They will then kill each other for another thousand years or so.
John Angelo
May 2, 2016 3:16 pm
From Britannica:
“By the mid-20th century a common definition of the Middle East encompassed the states or territories of Turkey, Cyprus, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Iran, Israel, the West Bank, the Gaza Strip, Jordan, Egypt, Sudan, Libya, and the various states and territories of Arabia proper (Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Yemen, Oman, Bahrain, Qatar, and the Trucial States, or Trucial Oman [now United Arab Emirates]). Subsequent events have tended, in loose usage, to enlarge the number of lands included in the definition. The three North African countries of Tunisia, Algeria, and Morocco are closely connected in sentiment and foreign policy with the Arab states. In addition, geographic factors often require statesmen and others to take account of Afghanistan and Pakistan in connection with the affairs of the Middle East.”
Talk about a cluster.
Peaceout
May 2, 2016 3:21 pm
We should not be involved militarily at all. Commercially only to the level that we have mutual balanced trade.
We should relocate the WH amd all of CONgress there, let them see what they have created and live amongst the peace that is Islam…
JIMSKI
May 2, 2016 3:43 pm
Do you mean other than stirring the pot so they keep killing each other?
Cause I am OK with that………
Iska Waran
May 2, 2016 3:48 pm
Just send a thank you card to Putin. That’s all.
Bea Lever
May 2, 2016 3:52 pm
Zebra
Echo
Roger
October
diogenes
May 2, 2016 4:06 pm
I would like someone to meet with Putin and say ” Look we have more in common with each other than these barbaric goatfucking towelheads. Why don’t we get oil from you, and we can then get together and destroy the jihadists.”
Persnickety
May 2, 2016 4:30 pm
Stop giving away anything to any government there, including Israel.
Engage in two-way commercial business if we want to – by “we” I mean individuals and companies – but not anything subsidized.
Stop giving anyone there a good reason to be mad at us, like we have for decades. Upon doing so, make it clear that our retaliation for any attacks will be absolutely over-the-top disproportionate.
CA
May 2, 2016 4:47 pm
Absolutely 0%. Shouldn’t buy anything or sell anything to them. Let them get back to banging sheep and killing each other. Was effectively keeping the Muslim population in check.
Let em get back to their roots!
Rise Up
May 2, 2016 5:26 pm
Thomas Jefferson says: Politically: none
Commercially: As much as mutually desired.
————————–
No. Zero involvement. Why trade with them and give them any means to prosper?
But if we must maintain relations, put Obama and his entire family over there in Iran and see how far he gets with appeasement.
Gator
May 2, 2016 5:31 pm
0 %, militarily and politically. Leave those people to their own devices. If they want to live like barbarians from the middle ages, let them have at it.
As for jamesthewanderer’s comment about building water treatment plants, etc for them, I don’t think the govt should be able to actively prohibit PRIVATE firms from doing that in the ME or anywhere else for that matter. That would be up to each individual or company to decide if they want to do business there, as it should be.
As for those who think we need to go in there and “destroy ISIS” feel free to go ahead and do that yourself. In a free country, if you think what is going on in another country is worth your life and/or money, you should of course be free to head over there and have at it.
Bob
May 2, 2016 5:48 pm
On a spectrum of “0%” to “Just take control of the oil fields and fight anyone who tries to stop us”, I believe we have gone way too far. I can’t really put a meaningful percentage on it, but it’s closer to 0% than where we ended up. But let’s all stop and remember that way back when, the re-establishment of the state of Israel was considered the best, most morally righteous thing we could do, and many still believe that fervently. That one thing by itself moves the needle a ways above 0%. It’s really too bad fracking wasn’t invented 30-40 years ago…
I also feel very badly for all the military patriots who have been used, misused and abused during all the middle eastern machinations. It’s been a truly sorry chapter of human history so far, with no happy ending in sight.
overthecliff
May 2, 2016 5:58 pm
The civilized people of the world should be militarily involved in the ME. The west has an interest in destroying so much of their infrastructure that they are to busy trying to scratch a living out of the desert to mess with the non mohamedans. No electricity, no running water, no bridges and most of all no western technical help. Build a wall around the sons of bitches and don’t let them out. Bomb something every day so they can’t keep up with rebuilding.
Llpoh
May 2, 2016 6:42 pm
Damn, Bea, why do you not learn the actual call alphabet? What you posted was painful to read. You got one out of four. Did you go to school in Delta Echo Tango Romeo Oscar India Tango?
On the otherhand, overthecliff at 2nd May 2016 at 5:58 pm has a point. Absolute and total containment (no the bs the U.S.is involved in now), sounds good on the surface. To stay with my 0%, how about 0% unless they try to come out of their hell hole region, then 100% block.
KaD
May 2, 2016 8:05 pm
ZERO. Let them all kill each other, problem solved.
Persnickety
May 2, 2016 8:44 pm
@LLPOH, I get yer phonetic alphabet right here:
A) Are
B) Beady
C) Cue
D) Django (helpful only to jazz guitar aficionados).
E) Eye
F) Fiji
G) Gneiss
H) Honorable
I) Ian
J) Jeans
K) Knees
L) Llama (you’d use the authentic Spanish “y” pronunciation, of course)
M) Mnemonic
N) Niece
O) Oedipus
P) Pneumonia
Q) Quay
R) Rap
S) Sea
T) Teepee
U) Urn
V) Vaduz
W) Why
X) Xerxes
Y) You
Z) Ziti
ottomatik
May 2, 2016 8:46 pm
0% = Collapse of the Empire.
I doubt any of the posters is really in a position to accept collapse. Shit 1/2 of you are prolly in your car or will be in your cars soon.
We should trade IOU’s and weapons until those glorious pools of black gold are gone.
Then we should coup de grace leadership possessing vast concentrated wealth and grab it. Training up and testing and developing new weapon systems in The Process.
Repeat.
poorwallstreetdude
May 2, 2016 9:12 pm
I frequent this site but rarely comment. Today I comment. I see why we went into Afghanistan initially. The country was being used as a terrorist training and logistics base. At the time it seemed like that needed to be stopped. It should have taken about a month to clean that up if we had really tried. Why we are there 11 years later I have no idea. Why we went into Iraq I have no idea – it looks like the government lied and lot of people on both sides of that were killed. Then comes Libya and Syria. I have no idea why we are there but I have seen stuff on the net as of late that makes me believe we have and are making big mistakes there and the reason(s) for those mistakes is shocking. America is supposed to be to be the good guys – the shining city on the hill – not murders traveling about the world killing lots of people for insufficient reasons. As a result, I am going to vote for Trump in the hope that he will tell us the truth or at a minimum stop the immoral use of the US military. If there is a good reason I am not against use of the military, but it has to be a good reason. Someone does something really bad to us directly and we have to respond to defend ourselves. Other than that, no use of the military against the citizens of this country or any other. We need a very strong military so if we are forced to use it we will have it. Our foreign policy appears to be crazy but I doubt it is. It is more likely being defined for immoral purposes. Just exactly how do you make friends with people if you are busy killing them ? I don’t think that works. The good part is more and more people are starting to pay attention. This is good.
geo3
May 2, 2016 9:36 pm
Back in the day when I worked for an appliance company here in the states, we couldn’t ship enough air conditioner and chest freezer units to that geographic sandlot. The Koran forbid our Muslim distributors from paying interest on their purchases, so we just charged them close to twice the standard rate. We had a brief monopoly in Iran after the Shah was disposed as our remaining dealer was connected to Khomeini. All that crashed shortly thereafter.
Best part of the job was doing the annual physical inventory at our international warehouse in New Orleans. Always scheduled in February.
Gator
May 2, 2016 9:39 pm
poorwallstreetdude “I see why we went into Afghanistan initially. The country was being used as a terrorist training and logistics base.”
replace afghanistan with saudi arabia and you have a point. except we didnt go into SA
ottomatik
May 2, 2016 10:20 pm
Gator, they are next.
poorwallstreetdude
May 2, 2016 10:45 pm
You make a good point about Saudi Arabia. It is starting to look like they were involved in the 9/11 disaster. In addition it is starting to look like we are fooling about in Syria so they can have a pipeline ? We are going to kill thousands of people so they can have a pipeline ? Really ? I say no. A lot of people say no. Recently saw an article that said the Syria gas attack was a false flag we and others in that region engineered to justify invading Syria. If that is true then people should go to jail here in America for that crime. That is a crime to lie and kill in the name of America for unjust and immoral reasons. I did not start out a Trump fan. I was a Cruz fan. But as time has gone by and I have read, watched, and learned a lot, I am becoming a Trump fan. We need to elect a person who will tell us, the people of America and the world, the truth about what is going on. Once the people know the truth then we will know what to do. The people of America have a long history of doing the right thing when we know the truth. It is looking like the people have actually lost control of the government. This is really bad and the only hope I see right now is Trump – if he will tell the truth. If he is just another lair then I don’t know the answer. At that point it looks like it is going to get ugly. I don’t want ugly. I want truth.
rhs jr
May 2, 2016 10:53 pm
We dream of progress while TPTB make everything worse.
poorwallstreetdude
May 2, 2016 11:06 pm
rhs jr – I believe change is coming to America one way or another. Of course, I said that in 2010 so I voted repub and repubs took over the house. Then they lied and were bad and said if we only had the Senate… So I voted repub in 2012 and 2014 and they lied and they were bad. Now 2016 is here and I am going to try one more time. If that results once again in more lies and more bad then myself and millions of others just like me – just regular folk working and living – are going to have to reconsider voting as that process will have repeatedly failed. If we the people can not get truth through voting then alternative processes will need to be developed. In the meantime there is going to be a major economic event. At this point a major economic event is basically inevitable no matter who gets elected. It is difficult to understand the impact of this event on America and the world. Something big is coming and one way or another there will be change.
0% level
I just want our media over there to record those towel headed goat fuckers killing each other in the name of allah.
On the level of commerce: we buy their stuff and sell them our stuff.
0%.
At the level of killing ISIS with air power, including B-29s. NOT at the level of supporting ISIS or any other factions against Assad. Not at the level of supplying the Saudi’s or Qatari’s with weaponry that they will deliver to any faction against Assad.
Zero.
Uhhh, FErdogan, I’m not sure there are any B-29’s in service outside of possibly an airshow. B-52’s were the WWII and Cold War carpet-bombing workhorses, is that what you were after?
I would like to see us building waterworks, sewage plants and highways anywhere that wants them and is willing to pay for them. Otherwise, not so much.
0%. Close all the embassies , end all direct flights, end all foreign aid, end all trade, remove our military forces, no more immigrants or visitors from the region. If there are any large scale musloid terrorist attacks in the USA then nuke Mecca.
Politically: none
Commercially: As much as mutually desired.
“President Jefferson announced in his first inaugural address that his foreign policy would be “honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none.”
READ REST:
0%
They will then kill each other for another thousand years or so.
From Britannica:
“By the mid-20th century a common definition of the Middle East encompassed the states or territories of Turkey, Cyprus, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Iran, Israel, the West Bank, the Gaza Strip, Jordan, Egypt, Sudan, Libya, and the various states and territories of Arabia proper (Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Yemen, Oman, Bahrain, Qatar, and the Trucial States, or Trucial Oman [now United Arab Emirates]). Subsequent events have tended, in loose usage, to enlarge the number of lands included in the definition. The three North African countries of Tunisia, Algeria, and Morocco are closely connected in sentiment and foreign policy with the Arab states. In addition, geographic factors often require statesmen and others to take account of Afghanistan and Pakistan in connection with the affairs of the Middle East.”
Talk about a cluster.
We should not be involved militarily at all. Commercially only to the level that we have mutual balanced trade.
jamesthewanderer….you must keep up with the news
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/04/09/us-air-force-deploys-b-52-bombers-in-middle-east-to-combat-islamic-state.html
We should relocate the WH amd all of CONgress there, let them see what they have created and live amongst the peace that is Islam…
Do you mean other than stirring the pot so they keep killing each other?
Cause I am OK with that………
Just send a thank you card to Putin. That’s all.
Zebra
Echo
Roger
October
I would like someone to meet with Putin and say ” Look we have more in common with each other than these barbaric goatfucking towelheads. Why don’t we get oil from you, and we can then get together and destroy the jihadists.”
Stop giving away anything to any government there, including Israel.
Engage in two-way commercial business if we want to – by “we” I mean individuals and companies – but not anything subsidized.
Stop giving anyone there a good reason to be mad at us, like we have for decades. Upon doing so, make it clear that our retaliation for any attacks will be absolutely over-the-top disproportionate.
Absolutely 0%. Shouldn’t buy anything or sell anything to them. Let them get back to banging sheep and killing each other. Was effectively keeping the Muslim population in check.
Let em get back to their roots!
Thomas Jefferson says: Politically: none
Commercially: As much as mutually desired.
————————–
No. Zero involvement. Why trade with them and give them any means to prosper?
But if we must maintain relations, put Obama and his entire family over there in Iran and see how far he gets with appeasement.
0 %, militarily and politically. Leave those people to their own devices. If they want to live like barbarians from the middle ages, let them have at it.
As for jamesthewanderer’s comment about building water treatment plants, etc for them, I don’t think the govt should be able to actively prohibit PRIVATE firms from doing that in the ME or anywhere else for that matter. That would be up to each individual or company to decide if they want to do business there, as it should be.
As for those who think we need to go in there and “destroy ISIS” feel free to go ahead and do that yourself. In a free country, if you think what is going on in another country is worth your life and/or money, you should of course be free to head over there and have at it.
On a spectrum of “0%” to “Just take control of the oil fields and fight anyone who tries to stop us”, I believe we have gone way too far. I can’t really put a meaningful percentage on it, but it’s closer to 0% than where we ended up. But let’s all stop and remember that way back when, the re-establishment of the state of Israel was considered the best, most morally righteous thing we could do, and many still believe that fervently. That one thing by itself moves the needle a ways above 0%. It’s really too bad fracking wasn’t invented 30-40 years ago…
I also feel very badly for all the military patriots who have been used, misused and abused during all the middle eastern machinations. It’s been a truly sorry chapter of human history so far, with no happy ending in sight.
The civilized people of the world should be militarily involved in the ME. The west has an interest in destroying so much of their infrastructure that they are to busy trying to scratch a living out of the desert to mess with the non mohamedans. No electricity, no running water, no bridges and most of all no western technical help. Build a wall around the sons of bitches and don’t let them out. Bomb something every day so they can’t keep up with rebuilding.
Damn, Bea, why do you not learn the actual call alphabet? What you posted was painful to read. You got one out of four. Did you go to school in Delta Echo Tango Romeo Oscar India Tango?
Here are the actual call signs:
Zulu
Echo
Romeo
Oscar
For future use here is a quick source:
http://www.kostis.net/hints/pilots-alphabet.htm
Zero %.
On the otherhand, overthecliff at 2nd May 2016 at 5:58 pm has a point. Absolute and total containment (no the bs the U.S.is involved in now), sounds good on the surface. To stay with my 0%, how about 0% unless they try to come out of their hell hole region, then 100% block.
ZERO. Let them all kill each other, problem solved.
@LLPOH, I get yer phonetic alphabet right here:
A) Are
B) Beady
C) Cue
D) Django (helpful only to jazz guitar aficionados).
E) Eye
F) Fiji
G) Gneiss
H) Honorable
I) Ian
J) Jeans
K) Knees
L) Llama (you’d use the authentic Spanish “y” pronunciation, of course)
M) Mnemonic
N) Niece
O) Oedipus
P) Pneumonia
Q) Quay
R) Rap
S) Sea
T) Teepee
U) Urn
V) Vaduz
W) Why
X) Xerxes
Y) You
Z) Ziti
0% = Collapse of the Empire.
I doubt any of the posters is really in a position to accept collapse. Shit 1/2 of you are prolly in your car or will be in your cars soon.
We should trade IOU’s and weapons until those glorious pools of black gold are gone.
Then we should coup de grace leadership possessing vast concentrated wealth and grab it. Training up and testing and developing new weapon systems in The Process.
Repeat.
I frequent this site but rarely comment. Today I comment. I see why we went into Afghanistan initially. The country was being used as a terrorist training and logistics base. At the time it seemed like that needed to be stopped. It should have taken about a month to clean that up if we had really tried. Why we are there 11 years later I have no idea. Why we went into Iraq I have no idea – it looks like the government lied and lot of people on both sides of that were killed. Then comes Libya and Syria. I have no idea why we are there but I have seen stuff on the net as of late that makes me believe we have and are making big mistakes there and the reason(s) for those mistakes is shocking. America is supposed to be to be the good guys – the shining city on the hill – not murders traveling about the world killing lots of people for insufficient reasons. As a result, I am going to vote for Trump in the hope that he will tell us the truth or at a minimum stop the immoral use of the US military. If there is a good reason I am not against use of the military, but it has to be a good reason. Someone does something really bad to us directly and we have to respond to defend ourselves. Other than that, no use of the military against the citizens of this country or any other. We need a very strong military so if we are forced to use it we will have it. Our foreign policy appears to be crazy but I doubt it is. It is more likely being defined for immoral purposes. Just exactly how do you make friends with people if you are busy killing them ? I don’t think that works. The good part is more and more people are starting to pay attention. This is good.
Back in the day when I worked for an appliance company here in the states, we couldn’t ship enough air conditioner and chest freezer units to that geographic sandlot. The Koran forbid our Muslim distributors from paying interest on their purchases, so we just charged them close to twice the standard rate. We had a brief monopoly in Iran after the Shah was disposed as our remaining dealer was connected to Khomeini. All that crashed shortly thereafter.
Best part of the job was doing the annual physical inventory at our international warehouse in New Orleans. Always scheduled in February.
poorwallstreetdude “I see why we went into Afghanistan initially. The country was being used as a terrorist training and logistics base.”
replace afghanistan with saudi arabia and you have a point. except we didnt go into SA
Gator, they are next.
You make a good point about Saudi Arabia. It is starting to look like they were involved in the 9/11 disaster. In addition it is starting to look like we are fooling about in Syria so they can have a pipeline ? We are going to kill thousands of people so they can have a pipeline ? Really ? I say no. A lot of people say no. Recently saw an article that said the Syria gas attack was a false flag we and others in that region engineered to justify invading Syria. If that is true then people should go to jail here in America for that crime. That is a crime to lie and kill in the name of America for unjust and immoral reasons. I did not start out a Trump fan. I was a Cruz fan. But as time has gone by and I have read, watched, and learned a lot, I am becoming a Trump fan. We need to elect a person who will tell us, the people of America and the world, the truth about what is going on. Once the people know the truth then we will know what to do. The people of America have a long history of doing the right thing when we know the truth. It is looking like the people have actually lost control of the government. This is really bad and the only hope I see right now is Trump – if he will tell the truth. If he is just another lair then I don’t know the answer. At that point it looks like it is going to get ugly. I don’t want ugly. I want truth.
We dream of progress while TPTB make everything worse.
rhs jr – I believe change is coming to America one way or another. Of course, I said that in 2010 so I voted repub and repubs took over the house. Then they lied and were bad and said if we only had the Senate… So I voted repub in 2012 and 2014 and they lied and they were bad. Now 2016 is here and I am going to try one more time. If that results once again in more lies and more bad then myself and millions of others just like me – just regular folk working and living – are going to have to reconsider voting as that process will have repeatedly failed. If we the people can not get truth through voting then alternative processes will need to be developed. In the meantime there is going to be a major economic event. At this point a major economic event is basically inevitable no matter who gets elected. It is difficult to understand the impact of this event on America and the world. Something big is coming and one way or another there will be change.
Nuclear.
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