Deep State Democrats & The Donald – Ron Paul Destroys The 2-Party System Myth

Submitted by Nick Bernabe via TheAntiMedia.org,

Longtime congressman and former presidential candidate Ron Paul made it clear in a recent interview on CNN that he will vote 3rd party if the presidential race comes down to Donald Trump versus Hillary Clinton.

Though Paul didn’t specify which candidate he would vote for, he did say Libertarian or Independent party candidates are a possibility. Paul also said he couldn’t support Ted Cruz, who has since dropped out of the race, because he’s a “theocrat” who wants to rule with religion. Paul didn’t comment on his specific reasons for not supporting Clinton, but one can speculate the fiercely anti-war Paul opposes her militaristic tendencies.

Then Paul went even further, saying both the Republican and Democratic parties — from Reagan to Obama — are controlled by the “Deep State” and powerful special interests.

Watch the interview below:

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Note from Idaho
Note from Idaho

Ron Paul is irrelevant.

22 years in Washington, zero zip no accomplishments.

Liberty, Liberty, Liberty, send me cash.

Get out of the way, times are changing….

bb

Oh Hell note , all the Ron Paul worshippers will go bat shit crazy now.

Note from Idaho
Note from Idaho

Administrator, I don’t worship Trump, Paul, my next door neighbor or anyone.
I am a realist.
Whoever takes over the White House in January 2017 is going aboard a sinking ship.
Decades of mismanagement, cronyism, disinformation is coming to a head.
The perfect storm lies ahead, a convoluted fiscal system ready to blow like a rotten egg.
A society ignorant to the propaganda they are fed daily.
There is a cultural rot within this country to a degree unthinkable a generation ago.
Trump is a Hail Mary pass at the best….

Have a good weekend.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Other than nice speeches and other rhetorical positions, what has Paul actually done?

I’m not overly surprised he’d reject Trump in favor of indirect support of Hillary, the Elite Establishment has many supporters that pretend to be against them to prevent any real attack on their power.

They are all showing themselves now, there is little being kept hidden from those willing to see anymore.

hardscrabble farmer

Best car I ever owned I got brand new from the dealership when it had 3 miles on the odometer. By the time I finally let it go it had close to 900,000 miles on it.

I loved it, had nothing but good memories from driving from one end of the USA to the other, bringing home our first born in the backseat, almost getting killed in it (and miraculously not) and I will never own a car like that again.

Sometimes you’ve just got to let it go and move on. Ron Paul is a nice man, very intelligent, very honorable and one of the best reps this country has had in the last 50 years, but he is completely irrelevant today. He is like that car sitting in my driveway at the end, a worn out, completely useless junker. His philosophies only work when you have a nation full of people like him and that’s not the way this country is anymore. When I see his face I smile wistfully thinking about how excited I was when I first heard his message, how much he raised on the Internet in 24 hours back in ’08, the rally I took my son to where he signed his poster and shook his hand.

That was then, this is now.

Lysander
Lysander

I figured Ron Paul as being a useful idiot for TPTB a long time ago. I have no idea what Trump is, but I sure as hell know what hitlery is.

If Trump is “legit” he’ll be derailed at the convention, and replaced with someone hitlery can easily beat, like Jeb Bush.

Hell, you might see hitlery replaced with Joe Biden at their convention, but I doubt it. The FBI are not going after her anymore. A deal was made.

There is no way I can see anyone as being the POTUS for the next eight years other then hitlery. She will exceed ovomit’s job of wreaking this nation beyond the point of no return, which is pretty much where we are now.

Teri
Teri

As a long-time Ron Paul fan, I find this most disappointing.

Trump is obviously not someone who has thought things all the way through as Ron Paul has, and he’s pretty bad at speaking to issues from an ideological point of view. To me, he comes off as an authoritarian, who is maybe in the process of fully understanding everything he “knows”, or taking things logically to their conclusion. (Been there…but I wasn’t running for prez)

But still, if you listen, and research what Trump says, he actually QUOTES a lot of Ron Paul’s ideas. For a few examples, “we can no longer be policeman of the world”; “a country without borders is not a country at all”; “we’re building schools and roads ‘over there’ while our own infrastructure is crumbling”. Countless times, Trump has mentioned that the US is on the verge of economic meltdown. Why doesn’t Ron Paul at least respect those words?

If you’ve heard any interviews of Trump’s kids, and particularly Eric, it’s obvious that they understand at least something about the Fed, monetary policy, and econ 101 (and they are very good at speaking about this). I suspect daddy and the kids are at least somewhat on the same page. After all, running all those businesses are real life economic lessons, all day, every day.

If you look at Trump’s foreign policy, though not perfect, it’s FAR more non-interventionist than anything anyone else has offered up, and it sounds like he has at least thought some of this stuff through.

If you look at Trump’s health care alternatives, they are grounded in free-market principles, and written from the point of view of someone who has seen the “business end” of obamacare.

If I were Ron Paul, and I really cared about this country, I’d pick up the phone and offer to help educate The Donald a little bit, and help refine his speaking and thinking. (Rand Paul should do the same, btw).

All that being said, I am under no illusion that Trump is going to save us. In fact, I’m still voting only because one of my daughters asked me not to destroy what little hope she still has. I’d still be laughing at Trump supporters had that daughter not heard him speak in person early on, and told me that he was worth looking into. I still hate the authoritarian side, I cringe at many of the things he says, but I LOVE how he’s trashing the republican party and turning everything upside down. And even the thought of having to hear the hildebeast’s voice for 8 years makes me want to consider suicide.

Ed
Ed

“Other than nice speeches and other rhetorical positions, what has Paul actually done?”

Since some here seem to think that political history began in ’96 or thereabouts, I have a few things to say as an old man. Ron seems like a nice guy, though I don’t know him personally. That being said….

In ’88 Ron was in the nomination contest as a shake and bake LP candidate. The contest that cycle came down to two shake and bakes, Ron Paul and Russell Means. I didn’t like Russell for a number of reasons, and I distrusted him for reasons best left out of what I’m saying, but anyways…

Between the two of them, if I set aside my personal feelings, Russell was the obvious choice. He was getting a lot of press coverage, and it was coverage of a different slant from what Dr. Paul was getting. Means had ideas and expressed principles that LP members liked, while Paul was just obviously the shoo-in as far as the LP bosses were concerned.

The way the selection process ended up, it looked to me, as well as to some others I knew in the LP that Paul was handed the pick. It was my last full presidential election cycle with the LP for that reason and for a few others. Paul’s supporters harped on his political experience as a republican, but Means was more solidly libertarian in his positions.

Predictably, Dr.Paul performed miserably as a candidate. He was in the habit of understating his position on issues and was roundly ignored by the media. After the election, he said that his campaign was more about teaching people who weren’t even eligible to vote than it was about winning. Sound familiar?

Paul had some influence in the LP for awhile up until he got elected to Congress again. He was a registered LP member until he got back into GOP politics in ’96. During that time he did well in publishing and was in the coin business with Burt Blumert . He had a status among libertarians that stayed with him after he became, again, a GOP congressman.

I don’t really have anything against him but I was disappointed by the way he employed GOP operatives in his campaigns, both ’08 and ’12. I think they deliberately ruined his campaigns for the nomination. The fact that he didn’t seem to notice what they did in ’08 and used more like them in ’12 is a real problem for me, as far as that goes.

I was disappointed mainly because I had given money that I could have used for my family if I’d known he was just trying to have his “teaching moment” instead of actually trying to win the nomination.

YODA_bite me (you know who)
YODA_bite me (you know who)

Teri….that was outstanding.

rhs jr

If LPs want to go from friend to enemies, pull a Ross Perot on Trump now…

Lysander
Lysander

rhs jr….That’s right. A conservative/libertarian sounding third party candidate against donald will guarantee hitlery 8 years in the WH, but she’s pretty much guaranteed that anyway.

We’ll see.

Gator
Gator

I too am a long time Ron Paul fan. He woke me up, if nothing else, and I seldom disagree with him.

To me, there is no “conservative vs liberal” or republican vs democrat anymore. There is only authoritarian vs libertarian. It all boils down to people who want to be left alone vs people who refuse to leave others alone. Whatever the donald’s good qualities are, and yes he does occasionally have some, he most assuredly does not want to leave me alone. Therefore, I will not vote for him.

Will government grow, or shrink, under the donald? If you don’t think it will grow, a lot, then there is no point in even arguing with you at this point. If you think the growth is a good thing, then you are not a “conservative” and are part of the reason why conservatism is a failed ideology.

Will your taxes go up? you betcha. Making America great again(or at least attempting to) will not be cheap. Much will be borrowed, but taxes on most people will go up. As much as they would under Clinton or Sanders? Probably not, but raising taxes is hardly conservative (unless you call yourself a ‘reagan conservative, in which case its VERY conservative…)

Will the debt go up? big time. To be fair to Donald, much of it is inevitable, but Id be willing to bet he will do a lot of infrastructure type spending, trying to make America great again. Remember when Obama packaged that exact same thing and called it a stimulus package? Remember how mad the “conservatives” got? Lets see how consistent they are(if history is any guide, not very).

Is the police state likely to grow under the Donald? Yes, as the man himself has told you numerous times if you are paying attention. As much as Clinton? maybe, maybe not, but building the police state less than killary(or the other clowns in the GOP) is hardly praiseworthy.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote

hardscrabble farmer says: I will never own a car like that again.

I had my own Betamax moment. One reason rich folks pay jillions for a rare bottle of wine is that there are few of them. Our marketing prof said you can build the absolute best mousetrap but few folks will buy it.

You make a product according to consumer requests. Anything more than that is art, beauty for beauty’s sake.

Trump is the Frankenstein monster that pieces together everything Americans have been demanding for the past eight years. But that is an old curse as illustrated in the tale, The Monkey’s Paw: ‘May you gt everything you wish for’

yahsure
yahsure

Paul got such a small percentage to vote for him.It’s hard to believe any third party could win. Besides we still have all that dead wood in the house and senate.No term limits means these people will run the country into the ground,No matter who is President.

TJF
TJF

“Ron Paul is irrelevant.

22 years in Washington, zero zip no accomplishments. ”

I disagree with this statement. If by accomplishments you mean the passing of legislation (or even repealing legislation), I agree he did not accomplish much. That was not his purpose nor his value. To me, he was more light a lighthouse in the darkness. A terrible politician, but a person who consistently stood by his values and ideals. Sure, he did little to nothing to actually change the course of the ship of state, but he at least was the person warning us that there are icebergs all around.

It seems that whatever liberty movement developed around RP that seemed to be growing in 2008 and even in 2012, mostly went away when the GOP co-opted the whole idea of the Tea Party for themselves. Liberty minded folks are still out there, they just do not have a cohesive voice, nor sufficient numbers to make their positions noticeable by the masses.

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