WHERE ARE THE BODIES???

I’m actually quite surprised that the “conspiracy” angle hasn’t yet been discussed in any detail.

(Although hardscrabble farmer did posit a Coincidence Theory — hahaha).

PCR to the rescue!

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Some readers have asked for my take on the Orlando Shooting.

I don’t have one. Let’s see if together we can form a reasonable view.

Let’s start with the basic first question. Before there can be a murder declared, there must be a body. Has anyone seen on TV or in newspapers pictures of dead bodies? Bodies should be readily available if the reports are correct that fifty people were killed and 50 or more were wounded and in the hospital.

I cannot bear the presstitute TV and print media. These are full-time propaganda organizations. Hopefully, some of you hold your nose and watch the news and can fill in the spaces. Has anything we have been told been confirmed by any real evidence?

Initially, I saw a CNN newscast and an RT report. The reports were heavy with the verbiage of blood being all over the place, but the only visual evidence offered were three people, supposedly injured, being helped, not by medics or first responders, but by ordinary folks. A couple of people were helping a guy with tattoos in place of a shirt, but there was no sign of blood. Several people were helping people in police uniforms to carry a person who they dumped in the back of a pickup truck, not in the cab. About 6 people were carrying a person stretched out prone (no stretcher) down a street.

There was no blood and it looked like a crisis acting performance. Why prone? Is an injured person really able to keep his body stiff so that he can be carried along prone parallel to the ground? Where are they taking him? Is this just a camera walk-by? What has become of the protocol that untrained people are not to attempt to help injured people? When police arrive at a scene, they usually run off bystanders, not recruit them to assist their activities or allow them to carry away the wounded and dead.

Readers have noticed that the visual evidence does not match the verbal reports. Readers report that Fox “News” and MSNBC repeatedly show the same footage described above of bystanders carrying supposedly injured victims whose facial expressions are completely unstressed and show no pain, fear, or blood.

So has anyone seen any dead bodies? Anybody bags? Any wounded taken to hospitals in ambulances? Any of the hospital wounded interviewed by TV reporters? Has any reporter checked with the morgue?

Allegedly, people inside the massacre location made cell phone calls and texted. But no one took photos or videos? Are there no security cameras? No doormen to notice a heavily armed person enter?

With 50 people killed and 50 or more wounded and reports of oceans of blood, there should be plenty of evidence Have any of you seen any of it?

As far as I know, dead bodies, other than those of the perpetrators themselves, seldom if ever emerge from the terrorist attacks. No dead bodies materialized from the Paris attacks except those of the alleged perpetrators. No dead bodies ever emerged from the Sandy Hook shootings. The only dead bodies I recall from the San Bernardino shooting were the husband-and-wife-alleged-perpetrators, and their hands were handcuffed behind their backs. Do police handcuff dead people who the police have shot to pieces? I don’t remember dead bodies from Brussels, just reports of dead bodies.

One could say that the media is averse to invading the privacy of dead people and their relatives by showing dead bodies, or that the media doesn’t want to show gruesome scenes—except for the videos of Muslim terrorists cutting off people’s heads. But by now the unanswered questions from the various shootings have created so much skepticism that a person would think the media would provide corroborative evidence for the official claims.

Maybe they have. As I admit, I don’t watch the presstitute news.

In order to shoot 100 people, the principal weapon allegedly used, an AR-15, would have had to have been reloaded several times, a procedure that takes enough time for people to rush the shooter and overpower him.

Is it possible for one person to shoot 100 people successfully but not be able to shoot even one cop when police appear? Remember the Charlie Hebdo event. The two killers were highly professional when they wiped out the magazine staff and a policeman in the street, but later when confronted by police they were so hapless and incompetent as to suggest that they were not the same people. Remember the San Bernardino shootings. Three eyewitnesses said that the shooters were three muscular males dressed in black, not a husband and diminutive wife with a new baby.

What is most troublesome about these shootings is that the story seems already prepared by the government and is immediately set. We are fed the story before there is time for investigation by government or media. The media never investigate. The media just repeat the government’s story over and over until it is set in everyone’s mind. Contrary evidence is just discarded.

The alleged perpetrators are always killed, so we never hear from them. The only survivor of the various terrorists is the younger Tsarnaev brother who has been held incommunicado. We have never heard directly from him.

One might think that by now the US media would have at least a smidgen of skepticism. After all, for the past 15 years, we have wasted trillions of dollars in wars in the Middle East based on lies that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction and Assad used chemical weapons against his own people. So why is the media willing to accept whatever the government says without any investigation or even raising a question?

The chairman, co-chairman, and legal counsel of the official 9/11 Commission have said publicly that the commission was lied to by the US government, that information was withheld from the commission, and that the commission was “set up to fail.” If the government will not tell the truth to the 9/11 Commission, why would the government tell us peons the truth?

It is not reporting merely to repeat the government’s claim. But that is all we get from the payroll jobs, unemployment and inflation reports to terrorism reports and claims of “Russian aggression.”

Send your emails with URLs of news broadcasts showing dead bodies and other real evidence. Don’t send in your speculations. They might be interesting and on the mark, but what we are trying to do is to see if there is any real evidence in behalf of this latest story of mass slaughter inside a night club.

It will be difficult, perhaps even impossible, to get any truth out of the Orlando shooting. Too many vocals and well-organized interest groups have a strong stake in the government’s explanation. It comes to the aid of the anti-Muslim lobby and the Trump campaign which want Muslims kept out of the US and those here arrested and deported. It comes to the aid of the gun control lobby. It comes to the aid of the progressive-left that wants to normalize homosexual and transgendered people, thus the outpouring of sympathy for those shot in the homosexual night club. It comes to the aid of the spy industry and the police state that want no check on their activities. It comes to the aid of Washington’s murderous foreign policy—so what if we blow up Muslim children—look what they do to us when they grow up, which is what the Israelis say about the Palestinians. It comes to the aid of the neoconservatives and the military-security complex for whom wars against Muslims advance their agenda and fatten their pocketbook.

All of these interests are far more powerful than the right of peons to know the truth.

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2016/06/paul-craig-roberts/im-skeptical-orlando/


Author: Stucky

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susanna
susanna
June 14, 2016 10:01 am

Stucky,
Thanks for your questioning of the event. 24 hours after
that killing spree the skeptics have emerged. Late last
noc I shared 2 videos of interviews of people involved.
Those got picked apart. TV and cable have been vanquished
from our home. It is unwatchable/torture in fact.

I await the wisdom and critical thinking of others.
Suzanna

indigentandindignant
indigentandindignant
June 14, 2016 10:13 am

I watched your vids anna last nite. They didnt seem fakey to me. Unlike sandy hook where they seemed very fake.
I did find a vid as the shooting started, which really showed nothing. No bodies in any videos I watched showed anyone who looked injured. Interesting. One person who was a witness claimed to see a great big bullet sticking out of someones leg. Odd. He represented the bullet as being about the size of an unfired cartridge.

bb
bb
June 14, 2016 10:14 am

You take is long winded .Short take.He was a Muslim killing the infidels where you find them just like Mohammed tells his followers to do. Fix it Stucky.

kokoda
kokoda
June 14, 2016 10:22 am

From Stucky – the guy that has Always humiliated others that brought forth ‘conspiracy theories’. Does Stucky now understand that you should always take the opposite position of gov’t.

Where are the bodies?; where is all the structural material from the Twin Towers (the amounts to build are staggering but not in evidence after the Towers came down)?.

indigentandindignant
indigentandindignant
June 14, 2016 10:37 am

Angel martinez, wounded, at press conference now. No pain killers for his wounds? Seems way to lucid.

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
June 14, 2016 10:39 am

There is only one conspiracy worth noting and that is the one to fundamentally transform America from a homogeneous Nation into a multicultural Empire at the cost of trillions of dollars and the safety and well being of the citizenry.

The people of the USA neither asked for, voted on, were consulted with, or agreed to this plan at any point.

Regardless of the cost in lives or treasure, there is never any pause, never a moment to reflect or call this movement into question or any dissent of any kind allowed in the public discourse.

These facts put to rest the illusion of Democracy, Freedom, equal representation under the law, or any other so-called right or privilege of living in and contributing to the body politic.

If I am in error in anything I have written above, I am open to correction. Please enlighten me.

Anonymous
Anonymous
June 14, 2016 10:45 am

Just throwing this out there: The Atlanta Sun-Times reported on the “event” a whole six hours before it started. Look at the timestamp: “Written By Atlanta Journal Constitution Posted: 06/11/2016, 08:00pm” http://atlanta.suntimes.com/atl-news/7/78/307991/orlandos-pulse-nightclub-honors-memory-of-co-founders-brother

You know, kind of like how BBC reported that WTC 7 had collapsed 20 minutes before it came down…

Dutchman
Dutchman
June 14, 2016 11:17 am

“Where are the bodies?”

What a dumb fucking question. Be sure to wear a tin foil hat, and sleep with your head pointing north.

Anonymous
Anonymous
June 14, 2016 11:39 am

I find no logic or evidence provided in your argument there, Dutchman. All I see is what amounts to name-calling of the old, tired “conspiracy theorist” sort. Why do you feel the need to say such things about anyone who raises a question of the official narrative of any given event?

The fact of the matter is that the only media coverage showing victims at all was of “good samaritans” carrying “injured” people down the road TOWARDS the nightclub from a couple of blocks away. There are plenty of other holes in the story that have gone unaccounted for, just like in so many false-flag events over the years. Is there really a problem in bringing up these points?

Denial is the first stage of acceptance, I understand. To find truth, that should go along with further research, not ending the argument with ad-hominems. Please provide any evidence you have to counter the points raised.

I, personally, remain skeptical of the official narrative unless proven otherwise, which hasn’t been done satisfactorily yet to my mind. I find it most useful in any situation to adopt the stance of “I don’t believe anything unless the government officially denies it”. Anyone who believes that the government is incapable of thinking up or performing such acts for political purposes should look into a few of the admitted false flags from history, including such as the Reichtag fire and the Gulf of Tonkin incident, as well as Operation Northwoods, to start with. It does and has happened here and everywhere else:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_incident
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

Maggie
Maggie
June 14, 2016 12:01 pm

A personal friend told me today that her nephew was killed in the bombing in Orlando. Normally, I would be in line to see if something doesn’t smell right in the mix, but I named one of my rabbits after this friend.

Dutchman
Dutchman
June 14, 2016 12:14 pm

@Anonymous: “I find no logic or evidence provided in your argument there”

Only the mentally ill would doubt. Some sort of paranoia.

“Why do you feel the need to say such things about anyone who raises a question of the official narrative of any given event?”

Because it’s stupid. Maybe the moon is made of green cheese – why not?

Ed
Ed
June 14, 2016 12:44 pm

My rule of thumb is: If it’s on TV, it’s a fuckin lie….plus, if fuckin Dutchie believes it, it’s a transparent, laughably illogical , really dumbassed lie.

There.

Jimski
Jimski
June 14, 2016 12:52 pm

Reload several times to shoot 100 people? Several manufacturers make 75 round drums for the ar platform. I have 2 because I can not afford 10.

As far as reloading allowing you to rush a shooter. PCR to the rescue. He is an idiot. I can reload my platform in under a second with 20 or 30 round mags. Stab drop seat slap shoot.

Bea Lever
Bea Lever
June 14, 2016 1:00 pm

Stucky- What am I, chopped liver?

I have posted numerous false flag posts over the last few days. Here is a summary:

Mateen is a G4S hired gun. G4S is the largest merc/private police force in the world.

He has been working under contract for 5 years and has been a conduit for running money between the US government and the Afghan government. This was through G4S while Hitlery Clinton was in charge. G4S is contracted by the US State Dept. and the CIA.

Big point is that the president of Afghanistan just happens to be Mateen’s father and as I said before, you just can’t make this stuff up.

Another biggie is there was a massive surprise DRILL at that time in Tampa so I am sure most of the feed came from the drill. No bodies to be seen.

I called this as a false flag straight up and per usual I was beaten up and downed , which is per usual.

Bea Lever
Bea Lever
June 14, 2016 1:12 pm

Ed- The Dutchman drinks Kool-Aid with every meal.

ASIG
ASIG
June 14, 2016 1:37 pm

If it were fake the hero swat team would have rushed in like bad ass’s to the rescue. But the fact that they sat back at a safe distance for hours hiding behind cover like pussies tells me it real.

Anonymous
Anonymous
June 14, 2016 3:52 pm

Bea,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag

So you’re claiming this was not an Islamic attack, just one done by some non Islamic person or organization to make Islam look bad?

IndenturedServant
IndenturedServant
June 14, 2016 4:37 pm

Like I said the day after……the govt will give us the official story and then this “event” will get memory holed.

I wonder if FL will now enact laws to permanently seal the heretofore “public” death certificates like CT?

starfcker
starfcker
June 14, 2016 4:43 pm

HSF, that’s a gem of a post buried in the tin foil hat stuff. Expand on that and you’ve got one hell of an article.

Maggie
Maggie
June 14, 2016 4:52 pm

It is the horror of incrementalism implemented by arrogant fools.

rhs jr
rhs jr
June 14, 2016 5:04 pm

Where is that whimpering mother’s brain who said: “He was my only son. I was so proud when he adopted the gay lifestyle.”

jamesthewanderer
jamesthewanderer
June 14, 2016 5:20 pm

No, the shooter’s father is NOT the president of Afghanistan, except maybe in his own mind. He makes videos and claims to be some kind of official, but since Afghanistan is rather chaotic right now he can claim anything he wants (until the real officials decide he’s enough of a nuisance to take action). He also supports the Taliban, and may be a nutcase himself. I’d post a link but it should be easy to find (and I’m lazy today).

Bea Lever
Bea Lever
June 14, 2016 6:29 pm

JTW

To set the record straight, until the above post I have referred to Mateen’s father as running for president of Afghanistan. He actually filed to create a provisional government of Afghanistan which is where most people say he is pretending to be a president.

In 2015 he met with high level US .gov officials and has done same on many occasions. For example he met with Rep. Charlie Rangel, Dana Rohrbacher and also Ed Royce. Royce is chairman of the US House Committee on Foreign Affairs.

Now, JTW…..Do you think YOU could stroll in and get a one on one with the above officials? NFW
We have a leader who is gay, clueless and nuttier than a fruitcake that can’t put together a whole sentence, yet you recognize him as a (cough) president .You can easily find photos of this guy in DC with the politicians I named.

This thing stinks to high heaven just like everything else that goes on in the USSA, we live in a cartoon run by lunatics.

Bea Lever
Bea Lever
June 14, 2016 6:33 pm

Anon- When Oreo and the retard squad figured out their plan had turned to shit, NOTICE it went from being an Islamic attack to a fukkin HATE CRIME………Oh brother, what a bunch of maroons.

Bea Lever
Bea Lever
June 14, 2016 6:44 pm

RT and Presse TV video is on you tube where sleuths point out that the four people being carried by bystanders are actually being carried from approx. 150 feet away TO THE PULSE NIGHT CLUB. Har Har……….not away from but TOWARD the night club. Just like PCR points out and just as he stated no sign of injury or blood on the four guys being carried.

You have to be pretty stupid to use video like that, it would be the same as showing people carrying people from a fire BACK to the burning building.

ASIG
ASIG
June 14, 2016 11:07 pm

In the early part of this event the gunman had a shoot-out with an armed security guard. I haven’t come across any information that explains what happened to the armed guard. Was he shot, killed or did he run and hide? Did he run away? Anyone know?

Crossthread
Crossthread
June 14, 2016 11:35 pm

I saw a video this morning. It was promptly deleted..
I’m going to POST a Summary of what the Video contained….
Starts with LOUD Base playing, video captures about 8 folks on the Stage singing…. Everyone’s phones are in the held-up Air recording..
Approx., 20 seconds into the footage you hear 2 or 3 shots fired from a PISTOL, NOT a AR~15..
It appears a Girl was capturing the footage, as She turns from the Crowd, to the Bar area..
@ 35 seconds people realize it’s gun shots, Someone yells It’s a Gun! Folks cower, head for the exit. You see a BOUNCER,, calmly head, (WALKING AROUND & OVER PEOPLE) to what appears to the area where the Shots come from… As the Buncer walks, I’m assuming here,, Towards the gun-fire..
@ 1.00 (minute), AFTER the first 2 or 3 shots, MORE Shots are fired from the Pistol 4 more.
NO AR-15 was fired! last 53 or so seconds, folks are getting out the exit… IT IS NOT BLOCKED.
There appeared to be NO MORE than 50 to 75 Folks in the footage the whole time! IF that many
WE ARE BEING LIED TO!!!

IndenturedServant
IndenturedServant
June 14, 2016 11:46 pm

It is rather odd that there are no videos from the survivors in the nightclub that night. Youtube has one 40 second clip that purports to contain sound of the gunfire near the end.

In this day and age there should be dozens of videos out there within hours of the event.

Vic
Vic
June 15, 2016 12:10 am

I agree with Bea Lever.
I don’t believe any of these things are what we’re told they are.

Full Retard
Full Retard
June 15, 2016 1:34 am

Bea Lever says: Stucky- What am I, chopped liver? I have posted numerous false flag posts over the last few days.

I felt like an idiot for following up on your incredulity. Still, it seems fishy, that the gays are so calm, so ungay of them. Oops, sorry Ungay.

Francis Marion
Francis Marion
June 15, 2016 2:02 am

IS,

I keep thinking the same thing. If I walked down East Hastings shouting “Trudeau is a Fag!” there would be 30 different videos of me doing it posted to You Tube in under and hour. Yet I am to believe that everyone in that building with a cell phone failed to take any footage at all of what was going on.

Like every one of these types of events there is little visual evidence of what occurred and multiple conflicting reports by media and “eye witnesses”. It is such a cluster fuck by this stage that trying to figure out the truth will be nearly impossible.

IndenturedServant
IndenturedServant
June 15, 2016 2:11 am

FM, it’s those little things…………

jamesthewanderer
jamesthewanderer
June 15, 2016 6:40 am

Bea Lever,

(If that’s really you and not someone doppleganging you),

I wouldn’t want a visit from that clueless crew of cretins: if your guy is really president of Afghanistan, why is he not generally recognized as such? Or how does a visit from Congressman X (or an X of Congressmen) convey power to a foreign national? MY getting a visit with any Congressman only depends on how big a check I can write to them – is that really a wonderful virtue for either of us?
I actually agree with that last part: Obozo stole the election fair and square, so we’re all supposed to respect him. His actions demand otherwise. But if he did really win that last election, that says so many bad things – about the number of idiots there are in America willing to vote with their ass instead of their head.

If Mateen can actually win an election, more credit to him – but then, foreign elections are almost as crooked as ours are. If Hillary wins the nomination and election, you know we are officially a banana republic and should hang our heads in shame – or just turn her inauguration into an incarceration!

Bea Lever
Bea Lever
June 15, 2016 7:56 am

JTW

Strange that after my last posts in this thread my computer went black and died. Daddy Mateen is a puppet of the cabal.

Bea Lever
Bea Lever
June 15, 2016 8:00 am

And so it begins….I read yesterday that Oreo will now have firearms under the control of DHS. We shall see if that happens.

Ed
Ed
June 15, 2016 8:34 am

“. It is such a cluster fuck by this stage that trying to figure out the truth will be nearly impossible.”

Hey, Fran. I think I figured it out. My theory is:

It’s a reeking pile of bullshit and the media will drop it and pretend they never fucked up their reports pretty soon. Just like with the Sandy Hoax. Watch for announcements that death certificates will be withheld “out of respect for the families’ privacy”.

Number of queers massacred…0

Number of pieces of solid evidence presented….0

Number of videos shot at the scene…..0

Fucks given by me…..0

The level of competence among the assholes trying to fake this kind of shit is actually getting worse, not better, though they’re becoming more experienced at it. The next mass shooting they try to pull off will probably be nothing but a fuckin press release from the Kikuyu’s office, at the rate they’re going.

Peaceout
Peaceout
June 15, 2016 9:01 am

Seems like that type of establishment would have a functioning cctv system or monitored security camera system. Where are those videos?