Anyone want to take a stab at what these are?
790.06 License to carry concealed weapon or firearm.—
(2) The Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services shall issue a license if the applicant:
(h) Demonstrates competence with a firearm by any one of the following:
These? These are the minimum standards for a resident of Florida to obtain a firearm.
So first off please stop with the bullshit. You can’t walk into a Wal-Mart and buy an M60, or a .45 caliber hand gun on a whim. If you do, you, or the seller, or both, are committing felonies.
Does that make even a little sense? It’s AGAINST THE LAW.
So liberals, and anti gun folks, go ahead write the law that stops people from lying through the above sequence, or write the law that stops the sellers from skipping.
What? They already exist? They’re already felonies? That can’t be, because if those laws were in place people wouldn’t be able to acquire guns legally……
Make any sense?
Next. The AR-15 and the ignorance around what it is.
- The “AR” in AR-15? That does NOT stand for “Assault Rifle”, it stands for “ArmaLite” the original manufacturer of the AR-10 and AR-15.
- The fact you’ve been brainwashed into thinking anything with a barrel longer than 6 inches is an assault rifle is scary. Understand this very basic concept:
- An assault weapon is a weapon in which the firer pulls a trigger and the weapon discharges bullets until one of two conditions are met:
- The magazine becomes empty
- The firer removes their finger from the trigger
- An assault weapon is a weapon in which the firer pulls a trigger and the weapon discharges bullets until one of two conditions are met:
- The AR-15 is EXACTLY like this weapon :
EXACTLY! The firer pulls the trigger and one bullet is ejected. The gun then does all the work necessary for the firer to shoot again with just a pull of the trigger. The only limit to the amount of bullets that can be fired in a very short period of time is the size of the magazine in the weapon.
The first version, the “Assault Rifle”? That thing can spit out some 7-800 rounds a minute. BUT, that’s not the gun ANYONE is referring to, no one. That’s a fully automatic weapon, one trigger pull, many bullets.
The second one? The “Semi-Automatic” AR-15? That’s the version people buy. That version can fire in the neighborhood of 180 rounds per minute. It is against the law to turn a semi automatic into an automatic. Understand? Felony, or to put it another way? The law already exists.
BUT! Yes there is a but. The second version, like every single semi automatic weapon on the planet, is limited by the size of the magazine (hence the laws around magazine size). So it CANNOT fire near 180 rounds because if you had them, you’d be changing out 30 round magazines. Ask anyone that has served, people that are experts, they may be the ONLY ones that could get that close.
Most states have laws governing magazine size, I know Massachusetts does. Florida does NOT have any such laws.
You want to argue against magazines larger then 10 rounds then by all means. I think that is a legit and very valid argument in most cases.
You cannot legally create a fully automatic weapon from a semi-automatic without enormous amounts of paperwork and processes, and even then it’s illegal in most states. If you do, it is a felony. The law already exists.
Here’s my beef. I am not a gun nut by any means. I enjoy target shooting, I enjoy working on my proficiency with a sidearm, both in terms of self defense and accuracy. It’s definitely something that has become a hobby.
I was never a ‘gun guy’ growing up even though my dad was in the service and and avid hunter when we lived in Alaska. That being said I think I learned gun safety before I wore diapers, in Alaska being killed by a bear on the way to school is actually a legit possibility!
What I’ve come to realize, and I know it sounds condescending but it’s not intended that way, is that the people screaming the loudest about guns are the people least informed. You have no idea what the laws and processes actually are because unlike me, you’ve never gone through the process or taken the time to actually read every word of the law. You don’t understand the lies being fed every single day and it feels to me like many of you do not want to, for that would destroy the false argument you’re already making.
Try this on. Every single time you hear a liberal politician or Hollywood fraud say “assault rifle” know one of two things. 1) They’re ignorant to what the gun actually is, and that does matter or 2) They know the difference but they’re purposely lying their asses off.
Look, this is like everything else we fight about now. The second an American tries to stand for their 2nd Amendment rights, granted by our founding fathers (don’t gimme the bs argument about a ‘different time’, tyrannical gov’ts don’t have expiration dates) that person is a radical right wing redneck gun lover.
Just the same as every time I hear most liberals speak on this they’re “wanting to take all our guns”.
I don’t think either is true for the masses.
What I am now distraught about is the sheer volume of people calling for this corrupt, lying phony agenda driven group of divisive human beings in D.C. to make more laws. I can’t think of anything we need LESS!
People understand this, for the most part every single thing you clamor for in the way of new laws? THEY ALREADY EXIST!
It’s illegal to shoot another human
It’s illegal to buy a gun without a serial number
It’s illegal to enter a bar with a loaded firearm that is a ‘gun free’ zone
It’s illegal to purchase ANY firearm if you beat your wife, are on the FBI watch list and about 200 other things this sadistic piece of garbage was.
All these things are illegal, always have been.
More laws don’t stop the lawless, they hinder the law abiding.
You go back 20 some years, hell 50, and you look at the number of felonies committed BEFORE a mass shooting took place! There are, and for the most part always have been laws in place to ‘stop this’.
The kink? Criminals DO NOT abide by the law, that’s why they’re criminals.
Understand this very basic concept. More laws in this country will ONLY provide further barriers to law abiding citizens. Criminals by nature DO NOT follow them!!!
We are going to hear, and we already are, there were MULTIPLE signs and opportunities prior to this atrocity for this terrorist to be apprehended, multiple.
The other argument? “He acquired the weapons legally”. No, he didn’t He went through the legal process, but that process and or the people in it, broke.
Why didn’t it happen? I’ll give you one reason. Think back a few months ago.
This right here? This is the fault of liberals pretty much across the board.
Hell I’ve been a target of this very thing. I accused Islamic EXTREMIST of being like Hitler’s Nazi party and you idiots called me a racist! How on earth is comparing extremist to Nazi’s racist? Also, one more time, you do know “Islam” is not a race right?
It’s a fascinating debate, and always will be. The fact that no laws will stop this from happening should not deter us from continuing to try.
Hell I am all for hiring our veterans with medical clearance to be ‘boots on the ground’ security at our public schools.
Think the murders at Colombine would have just strolled into the cafeteria if 4 conceal carry former marines were on the premises and the students knew?
We need to keep the debate going. But understand this. The 2nd Amendment was there, and is there, for a reason. It will always be there for the very same reason. My prayers are that it is never truly needed again vs a tyrannical gov’t but I’d glad it exists in case we do.
To the families of this atrocity I can’t fathom the pain, I cannot fathom the loss and I pray I never have to.
God Bless
Curt Schilling
Could not have said it better myself. Permanent bookmark on this one. Copy and paste as a rebuttal to that libtard friend of yours (we all have one) that simply will not shut the fuck up about shit he knows nothing about.
Murder begins when self-defense ends.
Common sense gun control:
When the government no longer can or no longer will protect its citizens from armed attack it allows the citizens to arm themselves as they see fit to do it themselves.
Liberals are just too stupid with blind anger to even read something like this.
Mr. Schilling,
What a perfect essay! Much appreciated.
Criminals always have guns, they do not go
through any process/permission/review to carry them.
Meanwhile, honest citizens are harangued non-stop
about the need to have “gun control.” Capstone Fema
drills are sold to the public as massacres in the interest
of “gun control.” Such dishonesty and propaganda clinch
the decision to have a gun for self protection. We all know
what the gov does with their guns. We have bears outside the
screen doors…we need to be prepared.
Thanks Mr.
Suzanna
Not to nitpick, but in FL you don’t have to do any of those things he listed to obtain a firearm. You have to do one of those things to get a carry permit. I think its an important distinction. They don’t sell handguns at any of the walmarts here, but anyone who is over 21 and can pass a background check can go into any place like academy or pass pro and walk out of there with any long gun, including the dreaded, evil AR-15, in a few minutes. There is a 3 day waiting period for handguns, unless you have an in state CCW, in which case you can the waiting period is waived. I think that if you are writing a post to inform the uninformed about firearms and the laws regarding them you should have your information correct.
And no, the above is not a complaint about it being too easy to get guns down here, quite the opposite, I think thats how it should be. I also vehemently object to the waiting period for buying a handgun, or even needing a CCW to carry a concealed weapon, just pointing out an error
A text that the TBP regulars will enjoy, agree with, and use as reference for the future (I know I will).
But as Wip said, liberals will not read this. Whether it’s blind anger or sheer & shrill emotion or stubbornness & pride or the raw fear of being triggered by the fact that a defender of firearms ownership could actually out-argue, out-reason, and therefore, defeat them in a calm and rational exchange is too much for them.
I have said this here before and I’ll say it again. The more things happen, the more news come out, and the more the social justice warriors cry, shout, demand, shriek, and hyperventilate, the more I am convinced that they are unwilling and/or unable to deal with facts, reality, and truth. They are literally detached from uncomfortable truths of the real, everyday world which they and we live in.
That they are often (at least some of them; I know a few in person) otherwise sufficiently normal and healthy adults who generally don’t break the law (minus those crazy Trump event demonstrators), who have careers/degrees, who feed their families and love their children doesn’t detract from their irrationality – it only highlights it, because they can be and are rational in other parts of life (making an honest living from a real job/career, paying the bills, etc).
Sure, many SJWs are ignorant, want/demand/feel entitled to free stuff, and are just irritating to deal with. But the not-so-crazy SJWs I described are likewise annoying.
Gator is correct in all respects.. The restrictions are on handguns and CCW permits. Long guns are as common as weeds and bought and sold like them too.
Anyone with a CCW permit (Ol’ Muck for one) has run through the mill.
MA
Sadly a majority of Americans are either brainwashed , lazy , or to ignorant to comprehend just what accountable responsible citizens rights and privileges actually are under our form of government . Thanks to the polluted school system , corrupt political people or groups that attempt to bend twist and reshape the facts . We live in what was a “Democratic Constitutional Republic of Independent States not a “Democracy”. The Constitution” is the supreme law of the land including rights and responsibilities for the citizenry and is designed to limit government not the citizen ! We have allowed this country of ours to be destroyed from within , hollowed out like rotting fruit still hanging on the tree , looks great till you examine closely . My fear , it’s to far gone and to late to fix ! Make America Great Again ! With What ?
even considering discussing the limitation of magazine capacity, fuck that noise.
that type of thinking and compromise is what brought about the “tolerance” that got us here.
NOT.ONE.MORE.INCH
The gun control debate is not about safety and security — it is about freedom. All the world class mass murderers went to great lengths to make sure their victims had no guns. They did not want people to be in a position to shoot back.
Note the progression of the bill of rights:
1) Freedom to speak your mind, assemble as you wish, and worship as you please
2) Freedom to arm yourself
3) Your home is your castle and may not be occupied by the government
4) Restricting your freedom and privacy requires probable legitimate cause for such action by a properly authorized court of law
5) Due process required and compulsion to testify prohibited
6) Habeus Corpus
7) Trial by Jury
8) Ban on cruel and unusual punishment
9) Rights not otherwise enumerated in the constitution accrue to the people
10) Limits to Federal power
The founders named only thinking and speaking for yourself as being more fundamental than being able to defend yourself.