The Anti-Tesla Gets No Love

Guest Post by Eric Peters

It’s interesting that the car That Makes Sense – economically and functionally – gets almost no press while cars that don’t (like the Tesla and other electric cars) do.Elio lead

Elio Motors (company web site here) had a near-production-ready car on on display at the New York Auto Show last week. Company founder Paul Elio gave a presentation to reporters and took questions.

Bet you didn’t hear a thing about it.

This is downright Weird.

You’d think the media would be champing at the bit to let the public know that there is a car on the verge of production (with 41,000 of them already spoken for via cash-down reservations) that – according to Paul Elio – will cost well under $10,000 (under $8,000 is the target) and go well over 80 miles on a gallon of gasoline.

Ah, but it’s not electric – and so the Elio gets no love (much less coverage) from the media.elio 6

Electric cars (and other such cars) do because they lack the thing the media finds abhorrent – an internal combustion engine.

As long as it has batteries or fuel cells or solar panels or some other form of motive power – no matter how functionally impaired or expensive these may be –  the media will spasm on the floor in ecstasy like a labrador retriever pup with a new chew toy. They will write stories more like love sonnets about the magnificence of whatever it is, provided it doesn’t use “old” and “dirty” technology.

That is, burn gas.

Well, the Elio does – but very little.

It is powered by a 900 cc three cylinder engine – about the same size as a typical motorcycle’s engine. Which is possible because the Elio weighs not much more than a motorcycle (about 1,250 pounds) and that is what makes 80-plus MPG possible.

Now, ponder that.

A car that can go 80-plus miles on a gallon of fuel is using very little fuel. The less fuel burned, the less exhaust produced and – here it comes! – the lower the emissions. The Elio’s emissions (it will comply with all of Uncle’s requirements) will be a fraction of those produced by any other currently available car simply by dint of the fact that it has a tiny engine that burns a fraction of the fuel.

No Magic (or elaborate/expensive technology) necessary.   elio 3 

Just simplicity – and light weight.

Which the media apparently doesn’t find attractive and therefore not worth reporting.

Meanwhile, endless fawning over the Tesla – the rich man’s toy subsidized by the working and middle class taxpayers who can look but never touch. They are fleeced by Uncle, so that Elon Musk – the Crony Capitalist King – can manufacturer $40,000-to-start (and from there to six figures) electric cars that are certainly sexy and Ferrari quick but which make as much sense as transportation as a thong does as clothing.

In Antarctica.

You have to be affluent – rich – to even contemplate the purchase (heavily subsidized by Uncle) of a Telsa. In which case, consideration of economy are an irrelevance. And if economy is irrelevant, what is the justification? Sexiness? Speed? Well, why not pay the rich to purchase Porsches, too?

Ah, but the Tesla is electric – and “zero emissions.”elio 4

Well, yes – it is electric. But “zero emissions”?

Sure, as far as the tailpipe (which, being electric, it hasn’t got). But electricity does not spontaneously appear out of the Void. It must be generated – and that requires (well, mostly involves) the burning of coal and oil, which produces emissions …  just elsewhere.

Probably, more of them than the little Elio produces.

Certainly, this will be the case once the cars are mass-produced. Because people – not just rich people – will be able to afford the Elio.

Lots of people.

Unless Musk can reduce the cost of his Toy by at least 50 percent, it will never be other than a low-production rich man’s indulgence. But the Elio will cost about 50 percent less than a current economy car.

Almost anyone will be able to afford it.

And the cost to operate it will be next to nil. Not just because it burns very little fuel but because it will cost very little to insure.elio 5

Elio Vice President of Sales Jerome Vassallo told the media at the NY Auto Show the company is hoping to have the Elio classified by the government as an Autocycle. This is a regulatory class different from conventional cars (with four wheels) but also different from motorcycles (which have two). The Elio (a three-wheeler) will have air bags (bikes generally don’t) and will meet a very high standard of crashworthiness, Vassal said. It will have a reinforced (and of course, enclosed) cabin with an integrated roll cage and these things alone will make it much superior in terms of occupant safety than a motorcycle (usually cheap to insure unless it’s a high-performance sport bike) and comparable to or even better than a current subcompact car.

The cost to insure a Tesla is … higher.

A lot higher.

Because insurance is based at least as much on the cost to replace the thing – in the event of a major crash that totals it – as it is on how “safe” it is in the event of crash. If someone totals a Tesla, their insurance company is looking at cutting a check for $40k or so.

This fact is reflected in the premiums.elio 2

The Elio would cost $8k or so to replace. This fact will also be reflected in the cost of its premiums.

A full coverage policy for a new $10k motorcycle (other than a high performance sport bike) is typically $250 or so a year – about a third (or less) what it costs to buy a comprehensive coverage policy for a $40,000 entry-luxury car (which is what the least expensive Tesla is by definition).

Probably, a person would pay more to insure an entry-level Tesla over eight years than one would spend to buy an entire Elio.

This will probably appeal to people.

Well, how about maintenance? The electric Tesla requires no oil changes, no periodic tune-ups or valvetrain maintenance while the Elio – which has an IC engine – will require some of those things.elio 7

True.

But the Elio has just a small 12V battery that costs about $100 to replace every five years or so (like any other car) while the Tesla has a battery pack that will cost thousands to replace when the time eventually comes. The Tesla’s battery pack alone costs nearly much as the Elio itself.

But all these practical (and economic) considerations don’t seem to get the Elio much traction – with the media. Even the automotive media has been largely silent.

Except, mostly, me.

But I’ve been excommunicated from the mainstream media because I refused the Kool Aid, do not sing sonnets of Tesla. I despise Elon Musk and have said so, in print. The mainstream media hides its bias.

I am open about mine.


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Rdawg
Rdawg
June 23, 2016 9:48 am

Sounds great but the problem with lightweight cars is, and will always be, that you will end up on the short end of the stick when tangling with, say, a ’79 Buick. Badly. Like, it could possibly be fatal for you.

I pick ’79 Buick because I did tangle with one almost 30 years ago. I was driving an ’81 VW Rabbit, and turned left in front of said Buick (stupid I know, but I was only 19). She caved in the passenger side of the Rabbit, and I not only got air but was rotated 180 degrees when I came to rest. My insurance company totaled the Rabbit. Her car? You could barely see some damage to her front bumper. That Rabbit had a curb weight of about 1750 pounds; just 500 pounds more than the car mentioned in the article. And the accident I described was quite low speed; probably about 25-30 MPH. At freeway speeds I shudder to think about it.

Stucky
Stucky
  Rdawg
June 23, 2016 10:39 am

BINGO!! +100

Personally, I am a single-issue car buyer; safety. Safety as in surviving-a-car-crash …. which is inevitable with the passage of time. It’s why we selected the Sonata … according to my research, one of the “safest” cars on the road.

I won’t even consider buying a 1,200 pound car-o-cycle as long as people such as Ms. Freud’s enormously fat daughter-in-law are driving their 6,000 pound GMC Yukons.

Philbert Desanex
Philbert Desanex
  Stucky
June 23, 2016 3:12 pm

yes, that’s great, you have your own personal opinion about car buying and what you prefer in the marketplace. Perhaps others might be interested in a lightweight, economical, and affordable car. The point that Peters is trying to get across here is the bias shown by the media with regard to what should be a simple conveyance of information. He’s not recommending anyone run out and buy an Elio.

TJF
TJF
June 23, 2016 10:17 am

I share Eric’s distaste for Elon Musk and his brand of crony capitalism mixed with a large does of idol worship, but Elio has been a vaporware project for years. I will care about them when I start seeing them actually sold and on the roads. For now I view Elio motors as just a way to harvest money from idealistic suckers.

LivinOnDaNile
LivinOnDaNile
June 23, 2016 11:10 am

I resent Musk just because he is taking Corporate WELFARE / fed up with ALL welfare / the Lib class is SO ignorant of Amerika’s pending bankruptcy.
Just watch some Mark Dice you tube videos. The wanton ignorance of the vast majority of the populace; disappoints & appalls me. We are doomed to eventual failure. The U S Dollar will eventually collapse. Uncle will then try to sieze private assets such as 401ks, Roth IRAs etc.

Bea Lever
Bea Lever
June 23, 2016 11:57 am

Like I have posted before, put a deposit on a Elio two years ago and all I got so far is a tee shirt and a bumper sticker. If this ever gets off the ground I may get mine……who knows.
Eric is a little late to the party.

Bostonbob
Bostonbob
June 23, 2016 12:34 pm

I wonder if this would be an upgrade for Admin from his Honda Hybrid.
Bob.

peaknic
peaknic
June 23, 2016 1:45 pm

There are always going to be huge vehicles (e.g., 18-wheelers) and light-weight vehicles sharing the road. The safety question is about the structural cage surrounding the passengers. If the Elio has a reinforced (and of course, enclosed) cabin with an integrated roll cage and air bags, then you will have a similar chance of surviving a collision with a Mack truck as driving a bigger vehicle. This assumes that both were held to the same safety standards and got the same crash protection results in the lab. Hasn’t anyone seen a Formula 1 car race (e.g., Indy 500) where they smash the feather-light car to smithereens at over 200 mph, and unless they catch on fire, the drivers walk away without a scratch? It’s all about the steel cage surrounding the human occupants.

harry p.
harry p.
  peaknic
June 23, 2016 2:25 pm

peaknic,
that’s a mostly fair assessment and I also consider agility an asset in avoiding accidents. At least thats how I sold the idea to the wife when i decided to buy a motorcycle. But i will throw one more thing into the mix.

F=ma.

the cabin might be great shape and the “cage” might keep them physically protected but from the g’s they experience it might rattle their brains into an inert yogurt mass and then what would we have?
another liberal democrat who will vote for Hillary…

Stucky
Stucky
  peaknic
June 23, 2016 2:46 pm

I appreciate your comments. It even makes some sense. Except, it does not pass my sniff test. Lol.

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From the Insurance Institute — the people who basically determine rates for, you know, regulah passenger cars.

1. How do a vehicle’s size and weight affect safety? [The bigger and heavier, the safer.]

2. Are people less likely to be killed or injured in a bigger, heavier vehicle? [Yup.]

3. What’s more important, size or weight? [Heavier is better.]

4. Do bigger vehicles pose a threat to occupants of smaller vehicles? [Sure do.]

Actual answers here; http://www.iihs.org/iihs/topics/t/vehicle-size-and-weight/qanda

Persnickety
Persnickety
June 23, 2016 1:49 pm

Think of four things that the media seems to hate:
fossil fuels
internal combustion engines
guns
white males

Then think of four things that have been absolutely crucial to the development of modern civilization.

Bea Lever
Bea Lever
June 23, 2016 3:06 pm

But Stucky, I could commute round trip to the office for a measly $6 per week in a Elio. So I get a little mashed in a dust up with a bigger, heavier vehicle, look at all the money I would save. What do you want…..perfect? And that is easy for you to throw rocks, you don’ t leave home to do whatever you do. Some of us poor schmucks are afraid of 6,7,8 dollar per gallon gas in the future.

Stucky
Stucky
  Bea Lever
June 23, 2016 3:11 pm

Waaaaa!!!! Europeans — who are pussies — have been paying $6/gallon for gas for DECADES. At least you’ll have less money to spend on donuts. I love ya man, so I can only encourage you to try stop being such a damned pussy.

harry p
harry p
  Stucky
June 24, 2016 6:07 am

Disregard the price of gas and the iihs safety ratings, i personally wouldnt buy an Elio (id rather spend the money on a bmw 1200 adventure bike) but i am sick of the safety nazis and regulations keeping less expensive simpler car options off the market.
People need the choice of what level of safety they deem necessary for themselves, stop hindering darwinism.

TPC
TPC
June 23, 2016 4:43 pm

I like the concept, I’m just worried about a few things:

1. How much “computerization” will I have to put up with? I’m ok with having a blue tooth that syncs with my phone, but I’m not a big fan of car company software. Lets be honest, they do the same thing Siri/Google does, but with half of the speed or skill.

2. Parts/Maintenance – Seriously, how shitty is it going to be to fix one of these things. Give me a full schematic. If I can do 90% of the work myself, thats a YUGE bonus.

3. Its light. How will does it handle the weather? I frequently have to drive in/around the Plains, and the wind tends to howl a lot. Its manageable in my Focus, but not great. I can’t imagine how a vehicle this heft-to-surface area will handle things.

4. I didn’t see mention of a gas tank size, whats the range on this thing?

harry p
harry p
  TPC
June 24, 2016 6:16 am

Traction is a good question, is it fwd or rwd?
If its rwd with the engine in the front it may be utter garbage.
My dad told me about stories of his corvair in kansas, had to load sandbags in the frunk, otherwise youd be doing the occasional wheelie.
But say an mr2 is rwd but midengune so the traction is excellent.

Ed
Ed
June 23, 2016 4:48 pm

I just had an idea. How ’bout fuck Teslas AND Elios? How ’bout that, huh? How ’bout a little of that?

Bea Lever
Bea Lever
June 23, 2016 5:03 pm

TPC
The Elio is magic on snow and bad roads. You will most likely be able to work on it yourself and PepBoys will be doing the warranty work for the manufacturer.
Watch the video on youtube of how well it handles on bad roads in winter and by the way, it has a longer wheelbase than a Honda Accord.

Bea Lever
Bea Lever
  Bea Lever
June 23, 2016 5:06 pm

Forgot to add I think it gets over 600 miles to a tank of gas.

starfcker
starfcker
June 23, 2016 5:51 pm

And if you buy an elio, just think of all the pussy you won’t get. Before you get crushed by a truck.

Bea Lever
Bea Lever
June 23, 2016 6:07 pm

Star

Stucky drives a freakin Kia. I have driven Mercedes for many decades because they are safe. That said, I would drive a Elio if gas went hyper in price per gallon and others here would wish they fukkin had one if things got bad enough.
I drive a MBenz roadster on the weekends that is tiny and a convertible to boot so the Elio is not that bad.

Ed
Ed
  Bea Lever
June 24, 2016 8:32 am

I hope you stick to your Benzes and just write that Elio donation off as a bad beat. I’d hate to read on here that you got mashed like a bug in a cheap little 3 wheeler.

Bea Lever
Bea Lever
June 23, 2016 6:41 pm

Here is an interesting tidbit:

Oil derived from algae can be used to fuel cars. What blows me away is that you could get up to 150 MPG.

starfcker
starfcker
June 24, 2016 6:01 am

I was just playing, Bea. I was actually trolling for Ed, he likes to stick up for Eric. I actually like any kind of inovation in cars, and i could see driving something like that, after a vasectomy, of course.

Ed
Ed
  starfcker
June 24, 2016 8:30 am

I mainly stick up for eric to crack on your ignorant ass, star. I didn’t do it this time because your comment was actually funny as shit. One of the ups was mine.

Iconoclast421
Iconoclast421
June 24, 2016 11:10 am

That thing would get tore apart by Michigan roads and weather.

JHNichols
JHNichols
July 9, 2016 7:37 pm

To be fair the article is comparing apples to oranges when it discusses coverage that each company is getting. Tesla (like them or not) is an actual automoble manufacturer, and Elio is not. In the years that Elio has been in business they are yet to produce or sale one production car. They have been promising that the customers will be getting their cars “next” year for several years now.