We Can Live With Communists

Guest Post by Eric Peters

A Libertarian can live in peace with a communist or a fascist – or even a Republican or a Democrat.lenin

Let ‘em get together, buy a compound, admit like-minded people to their group and do their thing. God bless ’em. The Libertarian will not bother them. He won’t tax ‘em, regulate ‘em or attempt to control them in any way whatsoever. He will respect their right to choose their way of life, even if it means handing over control of their lives to an individual “leader” or “representatives” of the (supposed) will of “the people.”

But none of them are capable of leaving a Libertarian in peace.

All of the political ideologies except Libertarianism are defined by their refusal to take “no, thanks” as an answer. Their unwillingness to leave others alone. Their utter rejection of the principle that government (like any contract) is only legitimate if freely consented to.

If you do not agree with a communist, a fascist, a Republican or a Democrat, he will insist. If you resist, he will use whatever violent means are necessary to compel your obedience. If it comes down to it, he will have you killed.

Chairman Mao – one of history’s greatest mass murderers – was absolutely right when he observed that political power flows from the barrel of a gun.

This goes for Republicans and Democrats, too. They are just less honest with themselves about it than Chairman Mao. They patty-cake talk in euphemisms about the violence that is the foundation of their ideologies. But euphemisms don’t alter the fact that violence is, indeed, the foundation of their ideologies – as much as it was the foundation of Mao’s.mao

We are talking differences of degree, not kind.

Only Libertarians offer the latter.

You can deride us as “selfish” – a commonly hurled insult – but whatever you may think about us, we aren’t the ones pointing guns at people. We may ask for your cooperation, attempt to persuade you that “x” or “y” is a good idea and worth your support. But we stop there. If you tell us, “no thanks – I’m not interested” we will accept your decision and leave you be. We might be disappointed, but we won’t insist.

That is the nature of our “selfishness.”

We don’t claim you “owe” money for things you never bought and don’t want. We figure it’s up to you to decide what you want and buy it if you want to. We only ask that you use your own money – not ours.

We figure, if you’re not hurting someone by whatever it is you’re doing, we haven’t got any right to interfere with what you’re doing. We may think you’re weird, even foolish. But we will leave you alone unless you aren’t leaving others alone.

Can a Republican or Democrat say the same?

Never.Karl Rove

They differ (and bicker) only logistically. Who will get what taken from whom. They both agree (unanimously) on the taking – and the controlling.

And here’s the thing: Inevitably, the taking and controlling wax rather than wane. Attempting to “limit” it is as hopeless as trying to keep a puddle of gasoline from igniting by only putting a match to a corner of the puddle.

This is a bit of obviousness that escapes, in particular, “conservatives.” I was one myself, once upon a time. So I get the etiology of the delusion that there can be such a thing as a “limited” variety of authoritarian collectivism – and that’s what we are talking about here, regardless of the label on the bottle.

Either you are an authoritarian collectivist – to whatever degree. Or you are not – to any degree.

There is no middle way.

If you are an authoritarian collectivist, particularly a “conservative” Republican one, you have condemned yourself to an endless, hopeless battle about what “works” – as you see it – vs. what “works” as others see it. You will argue over particulars, never principles.Hillary

Hence, you can never win more than the occasional temporary tactical victory for your collective. This is what elections in a democracy are all about. What Mencken apty called the “advance auction of stolen goods.”

Never whether anyone’s goods ought to be stolen in the first place.

“Conservatives” tend to be startled by the Libertarian’s moral political position because “conservatives” (in air quotes because it is difficult to ascertain with any precision what it is, exactly, they are hoping to “conserve”) regard themselves as morally superior to those loosey-goosey “liberals.”

But the two have much more in common with each other than with Libertarians.

Nether the “conservative” nor the “liberal” object in principle (or practice) to theft, for example. Or to involuntary servitude (to varying degrees) nor to forcibly imposing their “values” on others, who’ve done them no harm. They are equivocators, quibblers and dissemblers.

You can never get a straight answer out of either.

Only the Libertarian objects in principle and practice to taking anyone’s things, because they aren’t his things. To controlling anyone else’s life, because it’s not his life; to forcibly insisting that others live their lives the way he thinks life ought to be lived… because he has no interest in a master-slave relationship.

Or the reverse.Libertarian

The “conservative” (and “good Republican” – which amounts to the same thing) is perpetually demoralized by the fact that his is a rearguard battle, a constant retreat. He never seems to get much traction securing the “limited government” he says he wants.

Perhaps it is because he does not really want it.

Or because he does not understand it. That such a thing is impossible.

Having agreed in principle with the “liberal” Democrat – his avowed political enemy – he doesn’t grok why the trend is always toward more rather than less government. He doesn’t grok that it’s useless to complain about “taxes that are too high” without criticizing the idea of taxes (theft) as such. Pointless to bitch about “intrusive government” when one refuses to discuss the legitimacy of government.

Here’s an idea: How about we each agree to abide by this “consent of the governed” business they talk up in school? If you want to live in a commune, gather together like-minded people and go for it. But leave those not interested out of it. Same goes for “conservatives” and their “limited” government schtick. Let them who want it, have it – but  leave the rest of us free to opt out. You’ve heard of Go Fund Me? How about Go Fund Yourself.

Yes, I know. I am “selfish” for wanting to be left in peace – and eager to extend the same courtesy to you in return.


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mark
mark
July 26, 2016 1:26 pm

Yes, the auther is a libertarian until 3 Mexican families of 4 move into a 2 bedroom house next door.

That the landlord agreed to rent with his libertarian private property.

Go back to the University pal or rather stay there.

starfcker
starfcker
July 26, 2016 1:37 pm

Does this mean you will stay off OUR roads then, Eric?

Smoke Jensen
Smoke Jensen
  starfcker
July 26, 2016 10:55 pm

You mean the same roads that he paid for through the gasoline tax?

AnarchoPagan
AnarchoPagan
July 26, 2016 2:07 pm

mark, you don’t know shit about the “auther” or Libertarians in general. I might accept the 12 Mexicans next door, or I might peaceably move to another place. I would NOT point a gun at the property owner and tell him what he may or may not do with his property.

starfckr, they are not YOUR roads. The money to build them was stolen from you and millions of other people. After the money is stolen, what’s done with it is irrelevant from a perspective of your property rights.

mark
mark
  AnarchoPagan
July 26, 2016 2:31 pm

Yes, peacefully sell your house like the people in Ferguson did years ago as section 8s moved in.

Only, since youd rather default now that house wont even cover your equity be a good citizen and pay off the balance.

ASIG
ASIG
July 26, 2016 3:12 pm

So the author lives in a binary world, Libertarians and everyone else and the ‘everyone else’ groups are pretty much the same.

No that’s overly simplistic thinking.

AnarchoPagan
AnarchoPagan
July 26, 2016 3:30 pm

mark, another irrelevant argument. When you buy a property, there are no guarantees that it won’t drop in value, for whatever reason. That’s just reality.

ASIG, either you accept that it’s moral to use force against innocent people, or you don’t. That sounds pretty binary to me.

Overthecliff
Overthecliff
July 26, 2016 4:28 pm

Fact of life: politics is the process by which you give the guns to your son of a bitch. You are in la la land if you think libertarianism is applicable in the real world. There is always ALWAYS some other son of a bitch out there who will use force on you. Act accordingly.

Desertrat
Desertrat
July 26, 2016 5:33 pm

Roads are a bad example for this argument. But, road use taxes make a good example for the workings of government.

Originally, the fuel tax was to be used to build or improve roads. About as fair as any tax could be; if you don’t have to use the road, you don’t have to pay the tax.

Workings of government? Taking money from the Highway Trust Fund for other purposes. Nowadays, with the low taxes, no driver pays a fair share. Cost of construction and maintenance greatly exceeds the road use tax income–so even those who walk to work are paying.

rhs jr
rhs jr
July 26, 2016 10:34 pm

He wouldn’t know a Conservative from a National Socialist, from a Liberal, from a Pot Head. A lot of Common Core College learning but not enough sense to park a bicycle straight.

Rdawg
Rdawg
  rhs jr
July 26, 2016 10:58 pm

Long on insults, short (like as in zero) on example or coherent argument.

Gator
Gator
July 26, 2016 11:07 pm

A very good piece. And, predictably, with the most common argument of the statists against libertarians, the statists come out with “muh roads”, which has been debunked and refuted cogently so many other times when other people who thought they were clever threw it out there. Roads are a stupid argument. Its supposed to be paid for with a gas tax. If you don’t want to pay for the roads, don’t buy gas. You think you are getting good return on investment for all the gas tax money you’ve paid out over the years? You don’t think private industry can do it better AND cheaper? Name one thing the government is actually good, and truly efficient at.

Slayer of Sacred Cows
Slayer of Sacred Cows
July 27, 2016 12:47 pm

If you aren’t a libertarian\anarchist then you literally endorse theft and the initiation of violence and reject freedom for slavery.

Slayer of Sacred Cows
Slayer of Sacred Cows
July 27, 2016 3:08 pm