WORLDS MADE BY HAND

Having recently finished reading The Harrows of Spring, the fourth and final novel of Jim Kunstler’s World Made By Hand series, I couldn’t help but compare and contrast his dystopian post economic collapse America versus our current warped egocentric pre-economic collapse America. His world made by hand is forced upon Americans who have survived some sort of conflict resulting in the destruction of Washington D.C. and Los Angeles by nuclear blasts.

The Federal government has ceased to exist. The nation has splintered and varied factions are vying for power in autonomous regions of the country, but the small community of Union Grove, New York has been left to fend for itself. The four novels detail the trials and tribulations of average Americans in a small rural town after the implosion of modernity, as the world is stripped of its technological oil based comforts, devastated by terrorism, racked by epidemics, and having endured the ravages of economic collapse.

Kunstler’s dystopian future isn’t as bleak as the dystopian visions of 1984 or Brave New World. If dystopian means a world characterized by dehumanization, totalitarian governments, environmental disaster, or a cataclysmic decline in society, then Kunstler’s World Made By Hand series doesn’t match that characterization. There is more humanity and hope in his novels than you would expect in a dystopian vision of the future. The novels focus on various types of societal segments who represent the different courses society could chart after a breakdown of modern social norms, enforced by central authorities. Living through a national catastrophe and stripped of the modern conveniences provided by cheap plentiful oil, the citizens of Union Grove see their community falling apart from neglect, natural decay, disease, and lack of hope for the future.

The setting for the story appears to be only a couple decades in the future and is entirely believable when you step back and observe our current unsustainable economic path, increasing threats from Islamic radicals, warmongering politicians beating the drums of war with Russia and China, disintegrating social fabric, increasingly fragile electrical grid, and our brittle just in time supply chain, dependent upon cheap and ample supplies of oil. The faultless community of Union Grove struggles to regain some semblance of normalcy after events beyond their control force them to confront a new reality. The way of life they had taken for granted, with its modern conveniences, technological wonders, and taken for granted luxuries, had suddenly faded away.

Wallowing in their depression and sorrow would only lead to further needless death and suffering. It needed to be replaced with a new found respect for each other and a pragmatic approach to creating a new future based upon the reality of their situation. Gone was electricity, oil based transportation modes (automobiles, trucks, airliners ships), mass produced anti-biotics, frankenfoods sold at warehouse stores, policemen and soldiers to “protect” them from bad guys, and politicians bribing you with debt financed entitlements for your vote. That paradigm was always unsustainable, but Americans preferred the illusion of sustainability to facing the reality.

For people unable to adapt mentally and/or physically to these new challenging circumstances, it was a frightening, undesirable dystopian existence. In reality, society had essentially reset itself back to 1850, before the discovery of oil in Titusville, Pennsylvania by Edwin Drake. The people of Union Grove, New York were forced into a pre-industrial revolution existence without warning. But they were the lucky ones. Most of the people in urban and suburban America perished, as their existence was totally dependent upon technology, oil based transportation, and food supply from foreign countries.

In the foreseeable future, Kunstler’s less than apocalyptic vision is entirely probable, with rural communities much more likely to survive a catastrophic collapse of our high tech, oil dependent, head in the sand society of delusional willfully ignorant consumers. Kunstler focuses his stories on the characters inhabiting Unionville, but he provides glimpses into the regional breakup of the country, with the United States becoming a fragmented shell of itself, with little or no central authority. With Washington D.C. and Los Angeles uninhabitable, various other cities served as the capital after the collapse. The south broke apart into three new countries – The Republic of Texas, Firefox Republic, and New Africa – which went to war with each other and the remnants of the original U.S. With the current state of party politics and racial divide, this type of regional break-up is not farfetched.

When you put Kunstler’s History of the Future scenario in context with the current insane path we are racing along, it is entirely believable and preferable to even more cataclysmic outcomes. With $13 trillion of worldwide government debt with negative interest rates, central bankers on a suicide mission of debasement, delusional Americans using debt to live far above their means as their standard of living declines, politicians continuing to obligate their bankrupt countries to even more social welfare liabilities, saber rattling by leaders at the behest of the military industrial complex against Russia & China, the Middle East ready to explode in a cataclysm of Islamic mayhem, nuclear weapons in the hands of unstable governments, radical Islamic terrorism spreading across Europe and America, and a U.S. populace more divided by race, religion, social beliefs, wealth, geography, and political parties than ever before, some version of Kunstler’s apocalyptic vision is inevitable.

I read the final novel in the series The Harrows of Spring while vacationing at the Jersey shore in Wildwood. I was struck by the contrast in Kunstler’s future world made by hand and the world made by hand currently on display in this decaying, delusional, empire of debt. Kunstler’s world made by hand is forced upon survivors as the country and world encounter a systematic failure with no possibility for a reboot. All the creature comforts they had been accustomed to, like central air, electric lights, cable television, refrigerators, big box retail stores, smart phones, SUVs, superhighways, jetliners, junk food, high rise office towers, McMansions in suburbia, 401ks, and central bankers printing fiat paper like candy, evaporated like a puddle of water on a hot summer day. They were left in a post-modern world where their survival depended upon their own two hands.

They had to grow their own food or utilize a particular skill (medical, carpentry, hunter, laborer) to acquire food. They needed to scavenge, hunt, fish, sew, raise livestock, trade, barter, and make due with less, in their new world made by hand. Life was somewhat brutish and hard, compared to what most had been accustomed. The slightest illness or infection could lead to death. Lack of modern sanitation led to outbreaks of disease and death. For those who refused or couldn’t mentally adapt to a new reality, depression, anger, and bitterness filled their lives and slowly destroyed them.

Those who acclimated themselves to their new existence and accepted the hardships with the frontier spirit that originally built the country were able to survive and sometimes thrive in the Union Grove, New York of the future. They became a community again, not trapped in that modern iGadget world, living like hermits in their hermetically sealed 100% financed McMansions, shuttling to and from paper pushing jobs in their leased BMWs to 50 story office catacombs in filthy decaying urban concrete jungles. The rat race had ceased. Kindling the stove for heat, preparing meals, tending to livestock and gardens, fixing what had broken, and looking out for your neighbor became their daily routine.

As you would expect, leaders naturally arose, but in a small community the power and control was disbursed. Some of the leaders were religious, others led by the example of their humanity and intelligence, and others by their willingness to fight and defend the community. Men started businesses, people began to trade among themselves and with other communities, new buildings were constructed, using hydro-power to generate electricity was reintroduced, and the community spirit was boosted by shows, music, and social gatherings. Bad men are always present in every society, but the community rallied to fight them off. Violent death was an ever present danger in the world made by hand. Amazingly, the world survived without bankers and computer generated electronic currencies, derivatives of mass destruction, or paper fiat. Citizens and merchants conducted their business using silver, gold or barter.

The world made by hand I observed in Wildwood, NJ was as far from Kunstler’s world made by hand as humanly possible. Rather than using their hands to produce, create, fix, hunt, plant, or fish, their hands are busy tapping on their iGadgets – tweeting, facebooking, instagramming, texting, taking selfies, and videoing their experiences rather than experiencing them. The people ambling on the Wildwood boardwalk and shuffling across the land are addicted to these technological chains enslaving themselves in triviality, irrelevance, and egotism. The gadgets are attached to the hands of millennials and middle aged alike.

They were gazing at their gadgets as they rode bikes, jogged, or gorged their pieholes with fried oreos and funnel cake. Rather than relaxing and enjoying watching the tranquil sunrise over the Atlantic ocean as seagulls darted about over the deserted beach, the majority have their heads buried in their smart phones retweeting the latest Kanye and Kim scandal. No one reads a book on the beach anymore, as they are consumed by the trivial culture available on their iGadgets. Rather than experience the beauty of a fireworks display, they must record it and send it to all their friends to prove they are having fun. The American public has an almost unlimited craving for diversions. Reality and the truth are drowned in an ocean of irrelevance.

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The other frightening aspect of our current warped world made by hand is the madness of the masses in having their bodies deformed and covered in hideous tattoos. And if there was ever a place to witness this mass insanity in all its putrid glory, it’s Wildwood NJ. The Wildwood boardwalk has a tattoo parlor on virtually every block and they are generally packed with herds of non-thinking masses making insane decisions, guaranteeing they will never get a decent paying job in their lifetime. How can the low income masses afford this high priced ink? How do they afford those expensive iGadgets? What a stupid question. Debt of course. Thank you Federal Reserve.

As I observed young men, middle aged women, teenage girls, fathers, mothers, and grandparents sporting repulsive ink on their arms, necks, legs, backs, chests, and faces, I was reminded of a quote by Charles McKay from his book  Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds written in 1841.

“Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.”

With the proliferation of mass media propaganda in the last few decades, along with the dumbing down of the populace through public school indoctrination, vast swaths of the population are unable to critically think, reason, or understand the long term consequences of their actions and the actions of their political and financial leaders. The madness of crowds is being borne out by millions of Americans copying each other and imprinting pictures and words upon their skin to be special. This herd like behavior has been seen in financial markets, the fashion industry, and elsewhere in popular culture. These pathetic attempts to be unique are nothing but a cry for attention in a world where they are nothing but a cog in the machinery.

As their standard of living has steadily fallen over the last three decades and their lack of education has left them wallowing in near poverty, they are desperately grasping at straws to be noticed in this egotistical world made by hand. When the inevitable economic reset occurs, these shallow displays of narcissism will cease. Americans have gone mad in herds, but when they recover their senses their permanent idiot stamps will still be there – forever. Debt financed tattoo removal will not be available. The psychosis is so intense today that Wildwood holds conventions to draw the herds of cattle to voluntarily receive their branding.

There were two particular passages in The Harrows of Spring which captured the zeitgeist of our period of history and how denial of reality ultimately leads to collapse. The first passage describes the thoughts of a young character as she travels past the shattered remnants of modernity.

“She rambled past the intersection where the car dealers had battled for supremacy of annual sales, their vacant parking lots now miniature forests of poplar and sumac, the showrooms empty shells. The sight of these ruins and the monumental waste they represented made her momentarily angry. She knew that the people running things in the old times understood that their way of life was a dead end, and she could even imagine that they were so locked into their systems and habits that they were more or less trapped. What she couldn’t grasp was their utter failure even to imagine another plan. So they took it as far as it would go and then just let it all crash. She remembered riding in cars, but they were all gone by the time she was seven years old, and then incrementally so were all the other things that had made life so comfortable. Yet she didn’t especially miss it. She was used to the new ways and the new times, and ordinarily she didn’t suffer from how it was now.”

The description of vacant crumbling car dealer lots overgrown with weeds and trees is already a reality in the pre-collapse America of today. Driving along the pothole strewn roads of suburban Philadelphia, the landscape is dotted with dilapidated car dealerships, decrepit vacant gas stations, decaying deserted strip malls, empty moldy office complexes, boarded up industrial buildings, ramshackle residential properties, and a proliferation of Space Available signs. The urban ghettos of West and North Philadelphia resemble Dresden after the fire bombing. The road to ruin is pretty far along at this point.

The people running the show today know the country is on a burning platform of unsustainable fiscal, monetary, social welfare, and military practices which imperil the future of the nation.  Wall Street/K Street oligarchs have financialized every aspect of our society, gutted the productive industries, indebted our grandchildren to the tune of $200 trillion, and outsourced the jobs needed to sustain our nation to foreign countries. The frantic efforts of the Federal Reserve, their minions in NYC & DC, and the propaganda press, to prop up this hollowed out carcass of a country are failing. The debt is too vast; corruption too entrenched; vital systems too damaged; populace too apathetic and distracted by bread and circuses; and leaders too feckless and corrupt to do what it would take to save the country.

Leaders willing to level with the American people and tell them the truth about the real state of our dire fiscal circumstances are virtually non-existent. Telling the truth is considered painting an unnecessarily dark picture of our situation. Everything is great according to the establishment, because it is great for them. Spineless weak minded politicians prefer platitudes, promises, and puerile happy talk, rather than the blunt truth when buying the votes of their constituents. The American people prefer willful ignorance, safety and security to liberty, freedom and personal responsibility, so they continue to elect feeble minded toadies as their representatives. Therefore, the country has gotten what we deserve – good and hard. The second passage captures the halting collapse as we squandered our dwindling financial resources fighting useless wars in distant lands.

“But the war in the Holy Land was far far away, and the situation was quite different. The nation was cracking under the weight of bloated modernity and all the patches pasted on to its excessive and malfunctioning hyper-complexity, and people were bewildered by the strange glitches, failures, and shortages. Going forward, nothing would really work anymore as it was designed to, yet the hope and expectation that it would all magically recover dominated the chatter in the rare moments when people could step back from their frantic lives and share a meal or drink.”  

We have wasted $2 trillion on wars of choice in the Middle East over the last fourteen years, while creating a police surveillance state of massive proportions at home. While recklessly pissing away our diminishing national wealth trying to police the world, and only stirring up Islamic fanatics, we are witnessing the slow disintegration of our hyper-complex systems of production, supply, energy, and finance. The ruling class pretends all is well and use their media mouthpieces to portray a narrative that is unequivocally untrue. We are consuming ourselves to death.

The non-thinking tattooed masses are unaware and apathetic, as their inability to think critically has left them trapped in the “all is well” paradigm peddled by their government keepers and their corporate fascist benefactors. But a growing minority of critical thinking individuals recognizes the desperate attempts of the elite establishment to cover-up the systematic breakdown of our degraded systems of commerce and finance. The alternative media proliferating on the internet is providing rational, fact based analysis of our true situation. That is why the establishment wants to lock down and control the internet.

The increasing level of power failures, electric grid blackouts, water shortages, drinking water contamination, droughts, oil price spikes and crashes, crumbling bridges, disintegrating highways, bursting water mains, train derailments, refinery explosions, aging nuclear plants and lack of capital investment by businesses and governments ensures an inevitable breakdown of our infrastructure. This structural decay is far outweighed by the frantic efforts by the Federal Reserve puppets and their Wall Street puppeteers to use their supercomputers and electronically created currencies to prop up this debt laden, insolvent Ponzi financial system.

The non-stop bubbles and subsequent crashes over the last sixteen years are a flashing red signal of vulnerability. The fragility of this house of cards built on a foundation of bad debt is extreme. At this point, any grain of sand added to the pile of debt could trigger the catastrophic collapse. And the “experts” will declare no one could have seen it coming, as their establishment employers strip mined the national wealth of the people until the very end. That the establishment disregards the warning signals is not surprising, as they live in an insular bubble reaping the riches of easy money and crony capitalism. The oligarchy is thriving in NYC, D.C. and Silicon Valley. They will take it as far as it will go until it all crashes in a heap of destruction, despair and death.

Kunstler’s World Made By Hand is inevitable. It’s just a matter of time. Today we only exist for the benefit of the state. Society does not have to be built for the benefit of an essentially criminal organization – the coercive state. There is nothing in human nature that makes it impossible to create communities of people that respect each other’s natural rights and follow accepted moral standards for working out differences. Humans can collaborate, trade, exercise personal responsibility and create social order without the dictates of authoritarian government rulers. What binds communities together are not thousands of overbearing laws and a ruthless police state – it’s basically peer pressure, moral suasion, and social censure. We interact with other humans every day, without some higher authority dictating how it should be done.

Despite the catastrophic conditions faced by the people of Union Grove they never lost their integrity, humanity or sense of community. Hard work, kindness, generosity, intelligence, adaptability, courageousness and willingness to use whatever means necessary to survive are traits essential to living in the future world made by hand. Approaching every situation in a realistic, resolute mode and choosing to not deny the reality of your situation will be indispensable in a post collapse environment. There will be no time for the trivialities of tattoos and tweets in the world of the future. Survival of the fittest will replace checking in on Facebook from your favorite five star restaurant and posting pictures of your meal for all your friends and followers. I don’t think we’ll have an obesity epidemic in the world made by hand of the future.

 

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Maggie
Maggie
July 26, 2016 7:49 am

On my trip back from DC, I took secondary roads from Pittsburg through Indiana and Illinois, curious about what sort of communities are still in existence. I think rural America has a shot at rebuilding by hand.

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
July 26, 2016 8:02 am

Thanks for this one, Jim. I haven’t read the last installment but have enjoyed the others very much. As foolish as I think JHK is in his political premises, he is equally gifted as both a writer and a modern day Jeremiah. He does see the direction ahead even if he can’t resist contributing to the reasons for the downfall.

Oh well.

I read an interesting thread on GLP this morning that summed up your whole essay as a personal metaphor- “scared to ask help from my parents” is the title, but it demonstrates the exact problem with denial of reality, debt, falsehoods, etc. and the desire deep in everyone to simply get clean again, to go to the one safe place where things are made right- our childhood. It was poignant, seemed honest to me and spelled out exactly where we go wrong, by pretending that we are something we are not. The truth, it appears, actually does set you free.

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message3244176/pg1

Hope you got some well earned rest in Wildwood, please write another installment of the series if you get the chance, they are always trenchant and “wildly” entertaining.

Shane
Shane
  hardscrabble farmer
July 28, 2016 9:51 pm

Yeah, Yids like JHK and Morris Berman have this ability to fully see the problem, but then go on to draw entirely wrong political solutions.

Robert Gore
Robert Gore
July 26, 2016 8:31 am

Thanks, Jim, for creating a one-stop shop for everything that is wrong with things the way they are. You will probably receive some comments saying you’re too pessimistic and bleak, or that you’ve been predicting collapse forever, why hasn’t it happened yet. To those who make such comments I say reread the article and take your heads out of the sand: the collapse is happening now, and whether the future is Kunstler’s vision, something only marginally better, or something much worse, the reckoning has already arrived. By the time even the Panglosses admit it, it will be well advanced and far too late to do anything but let it unfold.

Maggie
Maggie
  Robert Gore
July 26, 2016 10:26 am

People expect collapse to be a free-fall event like Building 7, when in reality, it is something that happens in slow crumbling stages.

I believe the collapse is underway.

I don’t like slaughtering my bunnies, but it has to be done. People have bought them and they need to be bagged and frozen for delivery. I am not sure why I am able to disassociate my emotions from the little bunnies who are so tame now that I can set them down on the ground and then bend over, call to them and they will hop to me to see if I have a carrot of piece of lettuce for them. But I am.

Six bunnies in the freezer because in a world made by hand, you have to know how to skin and prepare your food.

EC, your comment about my bunnies living a life of quiet desperation bugged me for about two seconds.

laura m.
laura m.
  Maggie
July 28, 2016 1:06 pm

Maggie: Same goes for beloved goats, old hens not producing eggs or even old horses or old milk cows unable to produce milk, all must be processed for meats.

Homer
Homer
  Maggie
July 30, 2016 3:53 pm

I’m moving in next to a bunch of Democrats. They taste a little bitter, but when the SHTF you gotta do what you gotta do. Besides which I know they’re unarmed.

Homer
Homer
  Robert Gore
July 30, 2016 2:13 pm

No thanks, Jim! Things are better now than they have ever been. Obama told me so!

An HiLlARy is going to make it even better! All you naysayers.

bb
bb
July 26, 2016 8:47 am

If you expect to survive this you had better be armed and prepared to kill without hesitation. These millions of third world people who are now mostly in the big urban areas will fan out into the rual farm communities.
If this was still a 90% white Christian culture we would have a chance for recovery from a collapse like the great depression but our social cohesion has been sabotaged and destroyed by immigration. America is irredeemable.

Zgulgar
Zgulgar
  bb
July 26, 2016 8:03 pm

America inc. is indeed unredeemable.
But the population is worth a shot .
Vast majority of people living in so called America are completely opposed to the bullshit of corporate America .

messianicdruid
messianicdruid
  Zgulgar
July 27, 2016 12:56 pm

America will survive the United States.

Maggie
Maggie
  messianicdruid
July 28, 2016 2:48 am

That is an excellent way to put it. I think I’ll plagiarize that.

laura m.
laura m.
  bb
July 27, 2016 2:34 pm

BB: Agree, Things will be like the wild west when people were always armed and people are desperate for basic needs like food, etc. would be a threat who didn’t plan. Stage coaches were robbed, as people moved west (Louis L’mour novels) some killed just for provisions, and will be a situation like a man killed in Jim’s first novel (world made by hand). We are retirees and wondered when all this would happen as we get older we are glad we never raised a family. I urge others starting out to avoid raising children since this country is with out hope or a future. Europe is in a far worse mess invaded by third world savages (gatesofvienna.net)

unit472
unit472
July 26, 2016 9:22 am

Would such a future more resemble “The Road Warrior” or Colonial America? I suppose it could go either way but most would never manage the transition. Those who did would reinvent our world in pretty short order. It only took a single lifespan to go from spinning wheels to textile mills and another to go from Dicken’s England to the Roaring Twenties! Given that the know how would be, more or less, retained in books and people’s heads ‘progress’ might even be faster. People are not going to go back to draft animals when there are 100 million auto’s laying around. Look at Cuba. They keep their fleet of 1950’s autos on the road. Drake’s oil fields may not gush out oil anymore but they ooze it and for a population one tenth the size of today’s there would be oil available even if men had to go to sea and harpoon it again! Hydro dams would not disappear and if a car and electricity might be as expensive as they were in 1900 it would not be abandoned. Farms would have mechanical tractors even if they had to be steam powered ( they once were) because the productivity advantage is too large to abandon.

The real loss would be for doctors and lawyers. Without billion dollar hospitals full of high tech gadgetry doctors would no longer be able to bill patients for half their annual income for an afternoon’s work. They would again have a Buick, carry a black bag and make housecalls. Anesthetics would exist and basic surgery performed but at lot of their work would be palliative.
Lawyers would be up shit’s creek unless they also took up surveying and recording of deeds.

Llpoh
Llpoh
  unit472
July 28, 2016 12:09 am

Oil for cars will be available. But gasoline will not. Gasoline is a complex thing to make. Further, current cars rely on computer systems and diagnostics to keep running. Those will not be available. You can pretty much forget about gas engines as an option. Stored gasoline is not an option either as it quickly goes bad.m

Diesel engines may be kept going – may being the operative word. The engines need conversion to vegetable oil, and the oil needs to be pre-heated before it goes into the engine.

It might pay for preppers to have diesel to oil conversion kits on hand. Then you will need oil seed on hand – rape seed the to choice. Then grow enough to press enough oil to power a Diesel engine. I suspect you would want a small diesel tractor to convert. You will need to pre-heat the oil by hand, and incorporate a heat exchanger into the tractor once it us running. Or keep filling it with hot oil.

All in all, internal combustion engines are going to be scarce/impossible to run if the supply of gasoline/diesel dries up.

Denny Jackson
Denny Jackson
  Llpoh
July 28, 2016 1:12 pm

No gasoline? Where would the several US-located refineries go in this Brave New World? I don’t see valuable capital assets simply vaporizing in a systemic collapse but merely changing hands. In fact a good argument can be made for a new wave of incredible productivity beginning with the vaporization of Washington, District of Criminals and its anti-market, anti-productive burden of economy-distorting regulations, legalized theft, parasites, and psychopathic control freaks. LA might be a net loss, but not all that much.

One thing that is long overdue is the breakup of the US Empire into relatively small independent self-governing regional entities. While I would certainly like to see it I’m not holding out hope for a peaceful sane anarchic society anywhere in the foreseeable future. We’ll be stuck with violent coercive models of social organization for a long time to come I’m afraid, even in such Utopian places as Union Grove.

bill wade
bill wade
  Llpoh
July 29, 2016 10:56 am

ever hear of condensate? there are wells you can pull up to and fill your gas tank straight out of and your truck will run. You don’t have to have the ethanol diluted highly processed fuel they sell to run an internal combustion engine. Shade tree mechanics can do a lot to keep vehicles running. See Cuba.

unit472
unit472
  Llpoh
July 29, 2016 10:38 pm

gasoline originally was a ‘waste product’ from 19th century refineries making lamp oil. It was too volatile to be used for heat or light but ideal as motor fuel for the tinkerers working on internal combustion engine. Thus the auto age was born.

Some years ago I was in an old girls college science lab. Along with the antique scales and instruments was a Gilbert type |science kit” from Chevron that was a table top demonstration of the refining process. Wish I had bought it as what the school was doing was having a garage sale of the stuff in the building prior to it being torn down but, at the time, I didn’t see much need for a home oil refinery that could only turn out a beaker or two of gasoline at a time.

susanna
susanna
July 26, 2016 9:44 am

I very much enjoyed the series by JHK and recommend the
four book series to all people that enjoy reading. There are
lessons to be learned and ideas to incorporate into one’s own
thinking. We bought a home “in the middle of nowhere” as
people call it. There is plenty of activity, especially in the summer.
It is hardly in the middle of nowhere!! My goal has been to pare
from my own life all the preening and posing and pretending that
characterize city life. I do not have a smart phone, (I could have one) but most rural people actually do. When I see the ubiquitous
gadget, and faces glued to it, I shake my mental head. Life is a
gift and many people are wasting it.

Maggie
Maggie
  susanna
July 26, 2016 10:58 pm

It is very disturbing to visit “civilization” from a technology free-zone (except for dish for television, phone and internet access) and see how everyone around me was glued to their phone screen or at least had to check it regularly during each and every activity, including restroom breaks at restaurants.

That and the fact that everyone is absolutely convinced they can’t get to the grocery store without having their GPS on. And, YES, I get it that the GPS can reroute them for traffic problems on the Beltway, but I really am growing concerned at people’s complete ignorance of exactly WHERE their feet are planted in relation to other people standing in the world. I think there was a discussion about the diminishing displays of maps, especially maps that show a great many regions in relation to one another. At the rest stops (I love to stop at the first one in each state and take a look at what is available in that state from the State’s opinion), I always look for the display maps that are meant to help guide a traveler on his/her way. They have grown in size, but are greatly diminished in region. I was hoping to find a map large enough to show me exactly where I was standing at that moment in relation to my home several states away so that I could draw, in my mind, a rough idea of the route I would want to take (I have a fond memory of visiting Santa Claus, Indiana with my grandparents when I was very young and had a whim to see the quaint little town again. I stopped at a Walmart to buy a Rand McNally USA Road Atlas, which is now available as an APP on your Smartphone. I bought TWO of the five remaining full size Atlases. I’ll skip the APP.

My son insisted I learn how to use my phone’s GPS when I was there, but to be honest, I simply am not accustomed to my phone telling me what it thinks I should do. Plus, as my recent “fly-by” of Santa Claus, Indiana attests to, I do prefer to get off the interstate highways and see some of the hidden national treasures that have not yet been completely ravaged by those in power. Yet, even in the rural America I drove through on my meandering journey home, I could see that the cell phone in hand phenom is spreading into small communities, contaminating young minds with the idea that communication is only worthwhile if it comes from a screen.

IndenturedServant
IndenturedServant
  Maggie
July 28, 2016 3:36 am

Maggie I recently came across some pictures of my brothers and I from our nomadic military brat childhood traveling around the country. One was taken at the Welcome to Santa Claus, IN sign and another from the same trip was taken at the Welcome to Metropolis, IL sign……Home of Superman. Dad loved the scenic byways and tertiary roads and I count that as an unspoken gift from him.

Maggie
Maggie
  IndenturedServant
July 28, 2016 9:00 pm

My grandparents liked to visit the “quaint” little off-road places and I was fortunate to have toured some really interesting sites… The Winston-Salem Plant in Lousiville, Kentucky. The Jack Daniels distillery in Lynchburg, Tennessee. They actually handed out SAMPLES to each of us, including we KIDS at the cigarette place. It was a little plastic case that snapped and it held three packs of cigarettes… One Winston, one Salem and one pack with no filter. Was Camel a product of Winston-Salem? Anyway, I remember being so excited to own my own three packs of cigarettes… I was about 9, I think. I was already daydreaming about acting all grown up walking around with my cigarette like the stars in the movies and on TeeVee when my grandparents snatched the package out of my grubby hands and threw it into their own luggage. They didn’t smoke and I’m sure they cases went into their trash, but I just remembered that now and laughed about the public relations disaster that would occur NOW if the welcoming staff at Winston-Salem was caught handing out cigarettes to kids.

starfcker
starfcker
July 26, 2016 9:50 am

Yes and no. We are about to vote ourselves out of this mess. Yes we have huge problems. But if we go back to being led by pragmatic, competent men, we can solve them. The debt overhang is very similar to Y2K in many respects. It’s not a physical problem. I know, supply chains can be interupted and all that, but remember we are a net exporter of food. We won’t starve. If we stop trying to run the world, we will be fine. If we stop giving away our industries, we will be fine. Anyone involved in the economic make work sectors (finance, education, healthcare, government) are going to be dissapointed, so what? Get ready to work. It will turn out fine.

Gator
Gator
  starfcker
July 26, 2016 1:29 pm

Starfcker – I know Ive said this before, but I love your optimism. I don’t share it, but its kind of refreshing to see someone that still thinks like that. I genuinely hope you are right and all of us are wrong, but I just don’t see it. The interruptions you mention will cause violence like we’ve never seen before, since people who have been given something for nothing all their lives aren’t going to take it sitting down. You also seem to be placing an unrealistic set of expectations that the will exists in this country to do those things. You mention the 19T in debt, what is Trump going to do, just say to everyone who owns that paper “you fucked up, you trusted us” and default on it? And will he do the same thing with the 200T+ in unfunded liabilities?

Francis Marion
Francis Marion
  Gator
July 26, 2016 5:09 pm

Gator,

Right. I keep telling other Canuckleheads that it doesn’t matter who gets elected south of the line. Either way 50% of the country is going to be angry. You can’t fix that. It has been engineered that way via outside financing of various ngo’s and politico’s, the expansion of the welfare state and the trashing of any sensible immigration policy. The collapse is already in motion all around us in every nation.

Maggie
Maggie
  Francis Marion
July 26, 2016 11:05 pm

Exactly… the collapse is underway. I made the analogy that everyone expects the collapse to occur like a Building 7 event, suddenly, quickly and with a definite point when it ended and cleanup began.

But, in my opinion, the collapse is underway, a slow cracks weakening a load bearing wall here and there, with termites and other pests devouring social mores with the same energy the damn ghosts of Pac-Man came after the Pac-Man Family in the heyday of my generation’s electronic wonders.

IndenturedServant
IndenturedServant
  Francis Marion
July 28, 2016 3:40 am

“Either way 50% of the country is going to be angry.”

Yup. And regardless of which side is currently angry the machine grinds on towards its pre-programmed destination with ever increasing debt, deficit spending, loss of freedom and liberty.

Homer
Homer
  Francis Marion
July 30, 2016 2:51 pm

Francis Marion–One doesn’t have much choice in a collapse. I think of it as change. One can make choices as we all do when thing change. Collapse is so dark, dark, dark. Good thing we have HiLlARy to guide us thu change. Change you can believe in! It take a woman to raise a child and HiLlARy is just the womean to do it. If in doubt just ask her.

starfcker
starfcker
  Gator
July 27, 2016 7:12 pm

Gator, again, the problems of the people owning the paper don’t cause physical collapse of anything. The dissapointment of the people who’s promises of an unfunded 200 trillion doesn’t faze me a bit. So what? Not my problem. Get ready to work. The physical world won’t flinch. I live in the physical world

Gator
Gator
  starfcker
July 29, 2016 9:52 pm

“The dissapointment of the people who’s promises of an unfunded 200 trillion doesn’t faze me a bit. So what? Not my problem.”

It will be your problem when they cause major disruptions to every supply chain and go looting/burning near where you live, or do business, or do business with a couple degrees of separation. They aren’t going to take this laying down. Im not taking their side, trust me, Im just telling you that the people expecting to be on the receiving rather than paying end of those 200T in unfunded liabilites are going to cause problems, how will trump deal with that? How would you? Its going to be A LOT of people

Gator
Gator
  Gator
July 30, 2016 10:45 pm

I would really like to know who down voted my above statement, and why. No, Im not butthurt, I’m just curious, Id really like to here it.

IndenturedServant
IndenturedServant
  starfcker
July 28, 2016 3:31 am

Star, nobody…….and I mean nobody wants to see you be right more than I. I want you to be right because you remind me of me at a younger age and because it was men with your attitude and enthusiasm that made America great once upon a time.

Unfortunately that is no longer the plan. America is no longer controlled by those kinds of men. Betting on America being great again is akin to betting on a blind, lame, three legged horse to win the derby. It’s as plaie as graffiti on a boxcar. I don’t say this to bum you out but to encourage you to have a solid Plan B when tRump gets his brain pan ventilated for straying off script.

starfcker
starfcker
  IndenturedServant
July 28, 2016 5:29 am

IS, time will tell. I enjoy everyone here, because underneath the philisophical differences, everyone, almost to the man or women, shares the same value system. And it’s a good one. Look at how thick the hides are around here. It’s incredible, really. Let’s see what happens in November, and then what Trump does in the spring. He might shock us all. HSF said one time, he thinks Trump has been thinking about, and planning this, for decades. He could be right. I hope so. Bad things could happen. Agreed. But great things can happen, too.

Jason Calley
Jason Calley
  starfcker
July 28, 2016 8:11 am

Hey starfker! I actually share some of your optimism. We are not facing a Mad Max scenario; we are facing something closer to the fall of the USSR. Very rough (yes, there will be some people who starve) in the short term but better in the decadal term. Assuming that the financial system undergoes a complete reset, it will not be the apocalypse. Houses will still be houses, cars will still be cars, a tool box will still be a tool box — but dollars may no longer be dollars. In essence we see a reset of the score board to zero for all teams, not a burning down of the stadium. You used to have a $300,000 IRA? Not any more. You used to own $1,000,000 in long term Treasury Notes? Good luck with that! But you still have your skills, your immediate property, and (most importantly) you can still rely on your friends, your family, your church fellows, and your neighbors.

For anyone who wishes to prepare and does not have much money, concentrate on learning personal skills and developing a network of friends you trust. Those two things are far more important than bug out bags and chainsaws.

starfcker
starfcker
  Jason Calley
July 28, 2016 9:03 am

Nice post, jason. Exactly what i was trying to say.

Gator
Gator
  Jason Calley
July 29, 2016 9:58 pm

I dont recognize you, and dont remember you posting here before, but you are either stupid or a troll. The problem isn’t when you stiff a guy with 1 mil in treasuries in his IRA, its when you do the same to a country that was using billions Tbills as much of their foreign currency reserve. It isnt so simple to do then. Countries retaliate in ways that individual can’t.

starfcker
starfcker
  Gator
July 30, 2016 4:43 am

Gator, first off, we don’t have to repay the fed, so there goes a quarter of the debt in one shot. Anybody holding treasuries bought with money borrowed from the fed, same thing. Erase the trade deficit with china, and who’s begging who in a couple of years?

starfcker
starfcker
  starfcker
July 30, 2016 4:48 am

Take the profiteering out of medicare and medicaid, and the unfunded liabilities start looking more reasonabke quickly. You were promised 100 grand a year pension for serving a term as mayor? If the city can find the money great. If the federal government stops giving grants, and cities can’t take out huge zero coupon loans, good luck. This ain’t rocket science. It’s just maff.

Maggie
Maggie
  starfcker
July 30, 2016 9:02 am

How can a dose of medicine cost my friend in Ireland a couple of pounds at the local pharmacy but it costs my insurance two hundred dollars? The USA is a money laundering scheme for big pharma and lawyers.

Homer
Homer
  starfcker
July 30, 2016 4:10 pm

starfcker–Ya! I like simple solutions to complex problems. China has nuclear weapons, ya know!

It maybe like saying NO to the Mafia, you end up swimming with the fishes.

Secondly, you don’t owe the FED; the FED owes you. What do you think all those Federal Reserve Notes are all about. OH! Wait a minute, the FED doesn’t really have to make good on those Notes. Hahahaha! They’re not real Notes! Hahahaha!

IndenturedServant
IndenturedServant
  starfcker
July 28, 2016 9:20 am

I think the part that irritates me most about all this shit is the way the owners have us all fighting against each other on multiple fronts. Divide and conquer indeed. I hope more than anything that we Americans all have a collective “come to Jesus” moment where the true enemy is revealed to us in a way that cannot be disputed. If we could all get on the same page we could run these evil fucks out of our lives forever and get back to some semblance of working toward a common good. I just don’t see it going down that way.

Homer
Homer
  IndenturedServant
July 30, 2016 4:00 pm

The truly evil are always with us. But, it really is all about us and we can chose differently.

Denny Jackson
Denny Jackson
  starfcker
July 28, 2016 2:21 pm

Starfcker: I just have two small problems with what you say (ignoring the extreme unwarranted optimism, the assumption of the legitimacy of the state, and the fraudulent act of voting): “leaders” and “we.” Are you including me in your we? And will I be free to decline whatever your leader wants to sell me (at gunpoint)? If the answer to the first is no and to the second is yes then we should get along just fine in this hypothetical Grave New World.

starfcker
starfcker
  Denny Jackson
July 29, 2016 1:09 am

Denny, come on, man. Stop, please. The voices in your head are getting way too loud. You can’t run a covilization on emotions run amuck. We might have time for the small stuff later. Patience, my friend. Let that small bore stuff go for now.

Ticky Toc
Ticky Toc
July 26, 2016 9:53 am

Very well written – I am now intrigued and will have to read Kunstler’s series.

The main question is did the fat cat enjoy her vacation and did mother-in-law and you get matching tattoos while on vacation?

Jim
Jim
July 26, 2016 10:02 am

The observations relating the idiot phone addicted young and middle aged are incredibly disturbing. You can just picture Wildwood. But in reality, this is going on everywhere, even in rural America. And the tattooed masses. What can you say except shake your head. Kunstler is right on so many levels and is clearly a deep thinker. While his peak oil scenario has not panned out, and his lib leanings are suspect, he is clearly one of the internets truth tellers who need to be heard. Out.

Homer
Homer
  Jim
July 30, 2016 4:23 pm

Lydia, Oh, Lydia the tattooed lady! You can learn a lot from Lydia!

Rara Avis
Rara Avis
  Administrator
July 26, 2016 12:08 pm

“It is no measure of mental health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.” — Jiddu Krishnamurti

(Not a fan of his, by any means, but the parallels with your Huxley quote were striking.)

Axel
Axel
July 26, 2016 10:05 am

The loss would be for some doctors. Others would welcome a greater degree of simplicity.

starfcker
starfcker
  Axel
July 28, 2016 3:23 am

Don’t worry. Hillary will fix everything. (One minute)

diogenes
diogenes
July 26, 2016 10:25 am

With the moral and intellectual decline I see around me, I see a more Road Warrior like future.

maxer's mom
maxer's mom
  diogenes
July 27, 2016 10:23 pm

diogenes,
it will depend on the demographics, various communities will freak and
fight, others will shrug/complain/suffer loss…but overall, they will cope.

Maggie
Maggie
  maxer's mom
July 30, 2016 2:21 pm

Susanna? Are you maxer’s mom?

I changed my password while on my visit to DC area and that logged me out of WordPress, so I lost my image for now. I suppose I can log back into the original account, but maybe I want to change my avatar now.

I just wondered if you had changed yours?

sorel
sorel
July 26, 2016 10:46 am

I was ready reading a thick magazine chock full of ads and articles and graphics back in about 2007. There was a very small little blurb well hidden in there that said that two groups of people had been put under deep hypnosis and were asked what the United States would look like in 30 – 50 years. These “studies” were done completely independent of each other. Whether you believe in such things or not, the results were eye popping. In both groups something like 80% of them said the US would be no longer exist and it would very broken into four different countries. It really struck me at the time being already well immersed in Mish Shedlock, peak oil and other economic “doomsdayer” writers.

Tactical Zen
Tactical Zen
July 26, 2016 10:59 am

Those who perceive that our current paradigm can be “fixed” fail to understand the extent of the problems of US, Euro and Japanese debt, corruption, and propaganda combined with a relatively ignorant and uninformed public. Resets usually go deep before real change occurs.

The 21st century history and narrative will be written by the developing countries as China, Russia and India. If these countries successfully create a strong middle class it will be more than 10 times larger than the US and Europe combined. Still, there is a good chance it will not occur and our “progress” will only be in spurts.

Sadly, our time in the sun is setting. Our best hope is that we are just like Rome in 375 AD. A shadow of our former glory yet one of the better places to live available at the time.

I. C.
I. C.
July 26, 2016 11:50 am

Personally, I feel that Kunstler’s projection into a post-collapse was created as his fictional utopia based on his Progressive beliefs. He swallowed the peak-oil pill quite some time ago and has those playbook ideologies of theory without proof of application. Since he doesn’t live in an agrarian world or even a self-reliant homestead (and never did), I find his fictional prognostications to be difficult to believe. The real world will morph differently…

We are a divided nation and as such, there are too many ‘entitled’ non-workers who will never become part of an agrarian/made-by-hand community. They will be the takers, the destroyers, the dangerous faction that we see today — they will never ‘assimilate’.

While I’d love nothing more than to see a return to an agrarian society with solid Golden Rule values, I am a realist. I think The Walking Dead is a more poignant portrayal of our days ahead. I saw some of them wandering around at the Convention yesterday, in fact.

Lydia Cale
Lydia Cale
  I. C.
July 27, 2016 6:26 am

Actually, he does live in an agrarian world and has his own homestead which he writes about on his blog. And his “progressive” beliefs are pretty conservative – but you’d know that if you read his blog.

I. C.
I. C.
  Lydia Cale
July 29, 2016 6:32 am

Lydia, I returned to his website to see his “agrarian world” — a tiny picket-fenced garden with a 6 ft x 6 ft stylish chicken hut on 3 acres is cute but does not certify as a true homestead where self-reliance reigns.

I saw no additional farm-related photos to show that his little garden has grown into a self-supporting venture. I saw no livestock, aside from the small clutch of day-old chicks.

What IS evident, however, is the proof (through his website and from the 2 contrarian comments here) that urban dwellers such as yourself seem to believe that a few countrified props is all that’s required.

I’d like to write more but it’s time for my morning chores…I have goats to milk, horses to feed, a few pigs to toss their morning grub to, and 2 flocks of layer hens to turn out of their coops. After that, the beans need to be picked and canned. I might add, all of this is done with my 2 hands — done the old-fashioned way with sweat on my brow and my dirty morning chore clothes.

I’ll suggest you take a trip to the REAL rural world of homesteaders and farmers…Learn the differences between those who do-the-work versus those who talk-the-talk. Only then will you realize you’ve been conned into yet another illusion.

Ginger
Ginger
  I. C.
July 27, 2016 4:06 pm

Dear, you obviously have not read the Long Emergency nor http://www.Kunstler.com website. Please, do not judge things you know nothing about……

Rocky
Rocky
  I. C.
July 29, 2016 1:08 am

I.C.
A great culling will need to take place. I hope some excavators and backhoes are still running.

I. C.
I. C.
  Rocky
July 29, 2016 6:35 am

We have plenty of diesel stocked and a few pieces of equipment. Other farmers have the same.
And we have bags of lime…

Rara Avis
Rara Avis
July 26, 2016 11:54 am

Thanks for this great summary of Kunstler’s work. I’m definitely going to look into the series to supplement my reading. As uplifting, optimistic, and hopeful as Kunstler’s Union Grove scenario appears to be, however, my complete lack of faith in human nature (based on an admittedly cynical reading of history) tells me that there will be no sudden moment of social, moral or humanitarian clarity or “awakening” for either the ruling elite or the uber-tatted lumpen-proletariat. Old habits die hard, and die they must before a new paradigm can take hold. In the early going, the current ruling elite will simply retreat to their well stocked and guarded bunkers and try to set themselves up as local or regional warlords and kingmakers. No real change in their life, really, with the exception of the level of brutality they will use to satisfy their craving for power. As for the lumpen mensch, when their faux world collapses they will simply become angry at having their pampered, egotistic, auto-erotic slumber interrupted by reality. They will then vent their “rage” at the system that dared to wake them up by stealing, murdering, and destroying everything in their path until there isn’t anything worth stealing or dying for. Union Grove communities will hopefully emerge some day, but not until we have all weathered a devastating storm.

Rocky
Rocky
  Rara Avis
July 29, 2016 1:18 am

Union Grove sounds okay…but I’m going back to Walnut Grove!
Just really love that place.

OutLookingIn
OutLookingIn
July 26, 2016 11:58 am

For thousands of years before the industrial revolution, the human population of the world averaged about 2 billion people. Supported by the energy of the bio-mass produced by the planet. Horse/oxen power with limited water wheels, augmented human power in growing and producing the essentials for survival. These population and bio-mass energy levels were largely in balance.

Then came the industrial revolution. The population of planet earth has shot up from 2 billion to over 8 billion and growing with each passing day. This rate of population growth is unsustainable. Especially considering that cheap energy has been the push behind this growth and is now coming to an end. World made by hand is the future of mankind, or extinction.

Zgulgar
Zgulgar
  OutLookingIn
July 26, 2016 8:18 pm

so what is the energy behind this that you postulate? you do not mention oil ?
Balance>?
When has the human condition been about balance?
Wait for it wait for it …………. um you still waiting ? Warlords for the win .
That’s about it .

OutLookingIn
OutLookingIn
  Zgulgar
July 27, 2016 11:10 am

Zgulgar –

Take off your ‘Dunce Cap’ and put on your ‘Thinking Cap’. That’s if you own one!

Read. Spend some time expanding your mind and thought process, and in doing so your analytical and critical skills may improve to the point, where you may comment on subjects of import without seeming to be the class idiot. Either that or hang out at Zero Hedge on their comment sections with other sophomoric idiotic likes, spouting banalities. Grow up.

BUCKHED
BUCKHED
July 26, 2016 12:10 pm

Unit472….will we be the Road Warrior Society or Colonial America ? I’m going for Colonial America. We are HEAVILY armed….an armed society is a polite society . Once the smoke clears and the vermin and chaff are gone then the polite society will form….maybe an occasional duel but otherwise polite . Who knows?

As you said none of the stuff is going to disappear. Cars etc can run off a myriad of fuels,heck you make your own fuel in the form of alcohol. Wouldn’t it be great to top off your car and your buddies too at a station ? I guess it would lend a whole new meaning to ” Filling Station “.

I’ve watched friends make stuff by hand,guns on a manual lathe,knives on an anvil and forge and leather from deer hides that they tanned themselves . Life will be tough compared today but perhaps as HSF has written infinitely more enjoyable .

For with is better, a shorter more fulfilled life or a longer one in which you plod along awaiting the end ?

Gator
Gator
July 26, 2016 1:21 pm

Well, I sure hope at least one thing out of his series turns out to not come true – I don’t want to live in New Africa… I don’t think the dindus in the inner city are capable of conquering the heavily armed white people who don’t live in major cities. Ain’t gonna happen. They will tear each other to pieces in the city before they set out, and it probably would resemble the walking dead for a little while, except worse, since these zombies will be able to think and plan on at least a rudimentary level, unlike the ‘undead’ ones. New Africa would be an appropriate name though, as that is the only type of society they are capable of sustaining.

One possibility this book seems to rule out(haven’t read it, so i could be wrong) is a massive nuclear exchange, which, unfortunately, is far from off the table. I wouldn’t rule out our “leaders” doing something really stupid that causes this, and if that happens, none of this will play out this way.

starfcker
starfcker
July 26, 2016 1:30 pm

Gator, it won’t be much of a gunfight in the cities, most blacks don’t stockpile ammo.

Gator
Gator
  starfcker
July 26, 2016 3:41 pm

Good point. Most of them probably have a box of tulammo FMJ for their Bersa .380, after that its gonna get medival and shit. The fires will probably kill more people than anything after the fire depts stop responding and go home to protect their families.

starfcker
starfcker
  Gator
July 29, 2016 1:11 am

Trust me gator, lots of them own less than a full clip

expat42451
expat42451
July 26, 2016 1:31 pm

Thanks very much for the tip on the new Kunstler book. I ve read several of his works before. If anyone is curious about an earlier and similar take on a post nuclear exchange world, Pat Frank’s Alas Babylon is a good read, only set in rural Florida and many years earlier.

I look forward to reading “World Made by Hand”. I am currently living in Quito Ecuador and have some decisions to make about what I am going to be doing going forward. Many thanks for this article.

Expat

DRUD
DRUD
July 26, 2016 2:22 pm

I watched the file After Apocalypse and the main characters end up somewhere like this town, only in Idaho. I couldn’t help thinking “they went through hell to get to paradise.” Sure the dad ended up dying from an infection, but that was only because he was an idiot. We still have the KNOWLEDGE. We needn’t to go back to the medical ignorance of 1850. BUT doing physical labor in the great outdoors, harvesting, gathering and hunting our own food and having genuine communication and interaction with other real people every single day….yeah, sign me up.

Getting there alive and without destroying the entire world’s ecosystem are the real challenges.

Unbridled
Unbridled
July 26, 2016 2:23 pm

Very thought provoking piece.

In spite of any future hardships, I believe community is the key to not only survival but, to a more fulfilling life as well. The older I get, the more I treasure family and friends.

This line really resonated with me:

“They became a community again, not trapped in that modern iGadget world, living like hermits in their hermetically sealed 100% financed McMansions, shuttling to and from paper pushing jobs in their leased BMWs to 50 story office catacombs in filthy decaying urban concrete jungles.”

I agree there are many who are unable to question their meaningless lives and are even blissful in their dreamless sleep. Yet, I also believe most people realize there is something wrong underneath it all and this is why they turn to addictions, piercings, tattoos, faux wealth, video games, virtual reality and whatever else for relief. Even when things are going well, our hands remain heavy with what we crave and we still suffer quiet anxiety. Perhaps because we realize we are on the wrong path and doomed in the end.

I haven’t read Kunstler’s books, but hope to soon. In the meantime, reading the above reminded me of Stephen King’s book “The Stand”. I read it many years ago and found it to paint a haunting picture of modern society in its final death throes as the remaining survivors are forced to choose between that which is good (i.e. community, thinking of others) or that which is evil (i.e. love of self).

Ayn Rand once wrote something similar to: “Worry is the end result of man’s inability to deal with his existence.”

Perhaps then we should discover the reasons why, face them, and deal with them accordingly. Even if it’s a mere matter of what is true versus the lies we believe, and, the lies we tell.

I, for one, am still figuring it out. I’m glad I don’t have to do it alone.

Maggie
Maggie
July 26, 2016 2:28 pm

It isn’t everywhere that a bunny farmer in the Missouri Ozarks gets to exchange thoughts with a dude in Ecuador (expat42451). Only on TBP.

Bob
Bob
July 26, 2016 2:41 pm

unit472, well said! And don’t forget about the internet. While so many of us have been bemoaning the effects of re-distribution of wealth, there has been another re-distribution of even greater importance — the re-distribution of access to knowledge. To the extent knowledge is power (and there has always been an imperfect but valid correlation), power in the form of knowledge is available to more people at the same time than at any point in history. Civilization as we know it has gone viral, and will be difficult to stamp out, short of extermination-level events. That’s not to say we can’t or won’t be exterminated — it does indicate that civilization at roughly our current level of achievement will prove to be remarkably resilient and resistant to significant regression. Corrections? – yes. Setbacks? – yes. Erasure of broad swathes of accumulated knowledge? –not likely.

Also worth thinking about is the notion that a great deal of the collapse scenario focuses on things financial — a very important factor in human affairs, but it is not the be all and end all issue. Wars can and will be fought to resolve issues of debt. Peoples lives can and will end over money. The course of lives, societies, nations and the global population will be profoundly affected by the coming financial reckoning. All very true. At the same time, I urge everyone to perform this mental exercise — Strip away all the debt, and report what you visualize remaining. I see the physical world and most all of the trappings of modern civilization relatively intact.

I believe our primary goal in the coming years should be to preserve and further develop the best of the real world as we deal with the horrible fallout from our financial follies. And I believe that many of our social and cultural follies, being rooted in boneheaded financial mistakes (such as giving people money for nothing), will sort themselves out as well.

Absent near extinction events, There is a way forward that does not have to take us back to the 1930’s, 1870’s or 1790’s. We can do better than that. Let’s all be sure we have tried our best at the end of our life endeavors.

Maggie
Maggie
  Bob
July 26, 2016 3:44 pm

Bob, where did you get your rose-colored glasses?

Iconoclast421
Iconoclast421
July 26, 2016 3:57 pm

The thumb part of Michigan serves as the US capital? There is literally nothing there. There is farmland practically all the way up to the waters edge. It is actually rather surreal. There is no way that area is ever going to serve as a capital.

Bob
Bob
July 26, 2016 4:29 pm

Maggie, my glasses are quite clear, TYVM!

I urge everyone to think about the 1930’s. We have been discussing on TBP for years how things are going to be like they were in the 1930’s, only worse. We have debated back and forth as to how much worse things will turn out to be.

I ask myself, and everyone on TBP : How much accumulated knowledge and built up civilization was destroyed in the Great Depression? Did civilization progress during the 1930’s in terms of know-how and invention despite a wrenching financial collapse? Yes, it was a setback — but not back to the early 1900’s, or the 1870’s. Some would also say the 1930’s led to WW 2, which retarded social progress immensely and destroyed major pieces of the real, physical world. But WW 2 did not stop the advancement of technology or the ultimate re-development of the real world — it could be argued WW 2 actually speeded things up. Some would argue that outcome hinged on who won the war — I agree with that, but don’t believe it could have made all the difference. I believe the difference we need to be wary of this time around is that we don’t pull the atomic or biological weapons out and use them.

Barring that (which I admit is a big assumption, but if I’m wrong, so what?) I have to ask: What if we do not experience any sort of mass teardown of society/civilization, and instead continue to live in the world as we have made it up to this point while we reckon with the resolution of our financial issues? I submit that would be similar to the experience of those who lived through the Great Depression — lives changed, lines on maps were redrawn, wars were fought, and civilization marched on. I believe we face similar circumstances — I am reminded of the old saying that history does not repeat itself, but rather rhymes. I don’t believe that is a particularly rosy outlook. I believe it is the most likely path through the future, for the reasons I discussed above.

sharonsj
sharonsj
  Bob
July 27, 2016 4:28 pm

For anything you want to learn about, there is a book that will tell you how. As long as we don’t burn the libraries, and we listen to older folks with experience, knowledge will not die. But you have to be able to read and comprehend what you are reading. I think people glued to their iphones or addicted to video games won’t be able to do it.

Richard
Richard
July 26, 2016 7:41 pm

I love you all.

Stubb
Stubb
  Richard
July 26, 2016 9:21 pm

Thanks, Dick.

Stucky
Stucky
July 26, 2016 7:46 pm

I’m about done for the evening. Quick scanned it. Looks great and can’t wait to read it all and the comments tomorrow.

Saw something about New Africa making war with two other nations. LMFAO How long would that war last? Until they run out of free bullets? Ten percent of the population can NEVER win against 90%. And don’t get me any David and Goliath comparisons. I know David, and niggers ain’t no David.

Gator
Gator
  Stucky
July 29, 2016 10:05 pm

Not very long. And, if Africa is any indication, all you’d have to do is wait them out. The different tribes would be hacking each other to pieces with machetes in short order. It doesn’t take a great leap of the imagination to picture “new africa” looking like current africa, which means absolutely zero outward expansion or internal progress, and a whole lot of people killing people for no reason.

Maggie
Maggie
July 26, 2016 10:18 pm

Well, starry-eyed Bob, I have really been thinking very cynically along the very OPPOSITE lines and have a few choice lines scribbled onto a notepad I kept in the passenger seat with me on my trip across the wilderness that is between the Eastern Shore and the Grand Canyon.

I was thinking how very much KNOWLEDGE is being lost every single time someone becomes completely dependent on modern conveniences. When making dinner for my Maryland friends, I realized I needed to start the potatoes for “twice-baked” to go with the Filet Mignon I’d sliced, marinated and bacon-wrapped to freeze and travel with me to their home. My friends were not yet in from work, so I asked their 14-yr-old daughter where I could find their potatoes. Without even looking up from her I-Pad, she told me they were at the grocery store and if I didn’t need them right NOW, she would add it to the “list” they kept in a notebook online for their housekeeper to pick up at the grocery store for them when she came to clean and take care of the house through the week. I laughed at her and realized I should have known that (my ability to put together a wonderful meal two to three times a day astounds my old friend. I am astounded by her ability to manage a large technology office and organize the family’s schedule that includes private school for her daughter, appointment help for their grandchildren, one of whom requires special schooling at least temporarily as he copes with ADHD or whatever the alphabet soup condition of the day is, and manages to have a nice sit down dinner with her husband and daughter, albeit having meals delivered or picking them up at local restaurants is a real treat for me, it is the Norm for them.

Anyway, there are apparently a LOT of people who live in a world where very little is made by their own hand.

starfcker
starfcker
  Maggie
July 28, 2016 1:03 am

Maggie, i think you’re reading way too much into that. My mother has always kept potatoes in stock. We’ve never had them in our household. If we need to change that in the future, we would. I produce a lot more food annually than you do. (Literally, tons more). Doesn’t mean i have to do everything the hard way. But i could. I didn’t start anything with the machinery i have now. I don’t want to go back to doing things by hand. But I could. I know how. Don’t get me wrong. I admire you and everybody else here who strives for independence. But it’s not the end all do all. It’s just a choice. I like a life of convenience, myself. Work hard, play hard. I don’t get lost in process. I’ve got too much to get done.

Maggie
Maggie
  starfcker
July 28, 2016 3:00 am

I actually came to see that my friend’s choices in life make great sense to her. Why should she spend several hours a day of her time cleaning her home or cooking when her time is worth more than 100 dollars an hour in her field? And with her husband earning as much or more, why shouldn’t their time away from work be filled with modern convenience and things to make life more pleasant?

As I told her when she saw my storeroom and wondered aloud if they shouldn’t try to stock up, she knows the way here now. Give my son a place to rest over the summer and I’ll provide for your family after the crash. Haha… Quid pro quo.

starfcker
starfcker
  Maggie
July 28, 2016 3:38 am

Sounds like a fair deal!!!

sofa
sofa
  starfcker
June 17, 2018 10:37 am

star- you could, but your next.gen never knew

Chris
Chris
July 27, 2016 5:41 am

I would like to comment from a non US point of view, to those of us outside of the USA, most Americans really forget we exist most of the time, I for one would dearly love a American writer to actually include those on the outside in their books [ like made by hand ] yes , I get it, so why do I mention this ? , not because I like to see my own words in view, but to point out that when this electronic gizmo, whiz bang, dystopean scenario is the new normal in the USA , it will be ten times worse for the very same reasons in UK, Australia, NZ , and others, you see the same idiots that run the asylum in your country also run ours, people in the UK or Australia are just as obsessed and dumbed down , what will make a sustained collapse worse outside [ in Western countries ] is the reliance on the USD. Highly vulnerable economies like NZ and Australia, who have been staunch Allies of the USA , have a umbilical cord attached to the US, so I see a huge cascade effect happening, the end cost is MOST people in those countries not adapting to a agrarian society, life will be just as tough if not tougher for those who live in a equivalent ” wildwood ” in far flung Western countries. Am I preparing ? as much as one can possibly be, before the elites give in or die out from enraged populations of citizens who cannot get their facebook fix or watch America’s got talent , they will be relying upon their hand picked private armies, either way things will get very ugly before getting better in a relative kind of way. At any rate, spare a thought or two to consider we share the same plight you do and will suffer the same crash and burn of our economies.

Maggie
Maggie
  Chris
July 27, 2016 10:40 am

Thanks for the comment. Am looking forward to seeing your opinion here in the future, Chris.

WalkingHorse
WalkingHorse
July 27, 2016 10:35 am

All things considered, the optimistic vision would be a reversion to 19th century pioneer living standards, as documented in Ole Edvart Rolvaag’s book Giants In The Earth. We are no longer blessed with isolation from the urban warrens.

Maggie
Maggie
  WalkingHorse
July 27, 2016 10:53 am

WalkingHorse, we are living that very dream here in the Missouri Ozarks.

Unabridged
Unabridged
  WalkingHorse
July 27, 2016 3:39 pm

Looks like an interesting book so I just ordered it via TBP’s Amazon button. Thanks

Cdubbya
Cdubbya
July 27, 2016 1:03 pm

Well said. Bang on the mark.
The hard part is waiting for the trigger event…always seems to be soon but the system continues to limp along far longer than logic would suggest.

Time to stock up on more food and silver.

Matt
Matt
July 27, 2016 9:30 pm

Jim,

it would appear that HRC has read “The Fourth Turning”.. at least she asked for it to be checked out from the library.. Document #66 in the Wiki Leaks email trove. I find that interesting.. and scary.

https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/66

Llpoh
Llpoh
July 28, 2016 12:17 am

I believe that life would drop back to well before 1850 levels, save for medicine and such. The skills used in 1850 no longer exist. Think Middle Ages, rapidly moving to 1850s, then to steam engines.

Steam engines would allow for a very nice standard of living. Electricity, mass farming, etc. would all be possible. A by hand community would quickly flourish if they have steam engines. Felling trees by hand would be a pain, but steam sawing would be fine.

Burning of wood and coal along with supply management would be easy once the steam engines could be brought on line.

Also, foundry/black smithing skills would be an urgent priority. Plenty of scrap metal would be available. It would be almost infinite. No need to process ore.

Homer
Homer
  Llpoh
July 30, 2016 9:11 pm

Llpoh–Lucky that I kept my father’s Sawyer-Massey steam tractor. I got it from my father on his death bed. It only cost me $100.

My wife say if I don’t get it out of the living room, she’s going to leave me. I don’t worry tho she’s been saying that for 50 years. I keep telling her that one day it will come in handy.

Looks like, Llpoh, that day is soon coming. Yah Hoo! I could at least tell my wife that I was right about one thing.

Gator
Gator
  Llpoh
July 30, 2016 10:51 pm

LLPOH, another thing that could be used in conjunction with steam engines is batteries. When steam engines were invented, you didn’t have the ability to produce energy nd store it for later, we do now. Even in a post industrial time, batteries will still exist, which would give people many more options.

Im looking into solar systems for where I live too. Unfortunately, the ones that do everything I want them to are insanely expensive, but being able to run at least a single window unit and keep your refridgerator and second freezer running, at least for a few hours a day, would be priceless

Maggie
Maggie
July 28, 2016 3:07 am

It is true… even the Amish and Mennonites use a lot of modern conveniences in their quest to abstain from technology.

I was astounded at how computer/IPad literate my log home builders’ sons were. Being homeschooled, they use computers to take their tests, so computer use is necessary. However, it was a shock to see them on their breaks from building my home with their IPads under a shade tree, doing whatever.

Hey! (edit) Maybe they are racing around cow pastures playing Pokemon Go! NOW!

Beano McReano
Beano McReano
July 28, 2016 3:23 am

Why is half the population voting for communism and the destruction of our Constitution which has proven to GIVE US SO MUCH??? Not only to us but the world?

Instead they say we stole this and stole that but I like the way they are brave using the so-called stolen goods to berate us.

jamesthewanderer
jamesthewanderer
  Beano McReano
July 28, 2016 4:02 am

Consistency is a hobgoblin of small minds. Just because a certain nation created this or that, it doesn’t mean that it is worthwhile, worthy or worth preserving. The people in it have to want to preserve it.
And that is the most vicious product of modern socialism – the idea of moral relativity, that nothing is evil or wrong because there are no absolutes – the kind of thinking that leads to Treblinka and Auschwitz, to Lubyanka prison and Bataan, to Ruby Ridge and Waco – the idea that I have the right to tell you how to live, and back it up with guns.
Kulaks in Russia, peasants in China, “intellectuals” (interpreted as anyone who wore glasses) in Cambodia, today’s Venezuelans, anyone who ever lived under the Warsaw Pact or Soviet system: all those victims. And Bernie’s Army wants to bring that here!?
Prepare yourself.

Awake&aware
Awake&aware
  Beano McReano
July 28, 2016 12:11 pm

Perestroika Deception explains the reason Communism is so strongly embraced in the U.S. communists went to western countries to infiltrate government, academia & the legal system. After decades of “brain washing” at multiple universities about capitalism being evil & socialism/Communism being good, the millennials, lacking critical thinking skills, demand socialism/communism as more “fair” & ideal while lacking an understanding of history – namely the genocide of people after guns were grabbed by socialistic/communistic regimes. To correct this, it will take a major re+education effort &/or the passing of the generations indoctrinated.

Homer
Homer
  Beano McReano
July 30, 2016 9:27 pm

Beano McReano–It ain’t so much the destruction of the Constitution. What it is, I recollect, is it’s the basis of the Constitution that has their knickers in a twist. You see the Constitution is squarely restin’ on an acknowledged belief in a Supreme Being. A Supreme Being that gives us natural rights. That’s right, Rights given us by our Creator that can’t be taken away, it’s inherent in our makeup .

That’s what has them in such a dander. The State, I capitalized that to emphasize that the state wants you to think of it as god and that you get your rights from the state. So, you see, to statists God is the enemy and if you hold the view of our founding fathers, then you are an enemy, too, and any document that spell that out reminds them of God and that just gets their goat.

starfcker
starfcker
  Homer
July 31, 2016 1:17 am

Well said, homer

Soapweed
Soapweed
July 28, 2016 11:48 am

I always get a bit of a giggle when I see the futuristic shtf maps where different segments of America/Canada are lumped together into new regional confederations for a better word. For example, from Cheyenne to Pueblo, the ‘front range’ is of a flavor much distasteful to the inhabitants who live in the rural west and east of that swath. The mixing of the rural and metro mindsets is akin to water and oil. The metro types, unless having skills of provable merit, will be the leper out in the hinterlands. Same scenario in ALL areas of our lands. The present corporate state boundaries will be meaningless to the feral folks living outside of the metro beehives.
Soapweed

Stucky
Stucky
  Soapweed
July 28, 2016 12:08 pm

I’m with you and appreciate your comment.

When I first read the article and saw the map of New Africa — LA, AL, MS, GA, and FL — I thought to myself, … exactly how in the fuck will that happen? I suppose millions of southern white good old boys are just gonna pick up and move? Yea, riiiight.

capndiesalot
capndiesalot
July 28, 2016 10:33 pm

I disagree with the map, especially the southern states…black america is largely uneducated and urban. The southern US is still the bastion of the 2nd Amendment, and will always be. In the event of a collapse, cities will run out of food in as little as three days, death will rise dramatically, and those of us armed will band together and survive the cities collapse. There will be no Africa in the south. It will be those who are armed and organized v. those armed and part of the surviving barbaric horde. Look to the Romans to see how the barbarians survived THAT situation.

blues
blues
July 29, 2016 4:45 am

Why are some commenters worried about “communism” and such? Concepts like “communism,” “capitalism,” and such have become completely meaningless. Oh Well.

Here is something that vividly exemplifies what is really happening these days:
{QUOTE} “When Montpelier decided to rip up a pothole-riddled asphalt road and replace it with gravel in 2009, it didn’t see itself at the forefront of a growing trend in public works. It was simply responding to a citizen complaint.” {UNQUOTE} — Cash Strapped Towns Are Un-Paving Roads They Can’t Afford to Fix — WIRED.com:
https://www.wired.com/2016/07/cash-strapped-towns-un-paving-roads-cant-afford-fix/

This certainly tells me something.

Maggie
Maggie
  blues
July 29, 2016 8:05 pm

It is a trend in some Missouri Counties to turn some rarely used county roads that are paved back into Gravel… breaking up remaining asphalt and adding chat. It is odd because you can be driving along on a fairly nice two-lane road and suddenly a “pavement ends” sign appears less than a quarter mile from the COUNTY Marker for the adjoining county that has decided to stop paying for repairs on the hill country roads. Then, gravel for a few miles. It is a really interesting phenom. We are cool with it… when in Rome?

Maggie
Maggie
July 30, 2016 9:07 am

Certainly, I might make the attempt at one hundred comments made by hand.

Paula
Paula
July 30, 2016 10:14 am

I also just finished the World Made By Hand , James Howard Kunstler series, and I absolutely applaud this author for his depiction of it and his thoughts! Bravo! And in the spirit of contemplating a post-collapse re-build of our new world, there’s a $10 book on Amazon, written in the 1970’s by the Tannenhills called The Markets For Freedom, which lays out a “laisse faire” free market system, free from coersive government, positing nearly every level of society and how free-market approach solves problems with common sense, and with the highest regard for individual rights and sovereignty. The Markets For Freedom will be deeply enjoyed, particularly for those like me, who have also read Kunstler’s World Made By Hand, 4-book series.

KaD
KaD
July 30, 2016 10:44 am
nkit
nkit
  KaD
July 30, 2016 2:36 pm

That piece of dog shit Obama can shove that executive order up his America-hating ass……There is no justification for the EO. He is just using his executive privilege to continually and gradually chisel away the Second Amendment while extracting ridiculous fees from honest business people. Just another EO to be overturned in 2017…

Maggie
Maggie
  nkit
July 30, 2016 2:40 pm

see my comment below nkit… then tell me I’m crazy.

Maggie
Maggie
  KaD
July 30, 2016 2:39 pm

KaD…That article causes my cynical mind to predict a gun ban immediately upon taking office from Hillbitch. Track down where all the unregistered guns they can ahead of time by requiring Federal notification when a gun is repaired or “modified” which is really hard to define, isn’t it? Know exactly where to send the storm troopers to get the bulk of guns not willingly sold into the hands of the Nanny State and do it in such a way that scares the bejeesus out of other resisters.

Get ready now. We have started.

nkit
nkit
  Maggie
July 30, 2016 2:57 pm

No Maggie, you aren’t crazy. It’s a Fabian society approach to gun control. As I said, the gradual chiseling away till one day………………

All the more reason to keep Mao-wannabe bitch out of the White House……

Grog
Grog
  KaD
July 30, 2016 7:33 pm

An executive order of the president must find support in the Constitution, either in a clause granting the president specific power, or by a delegation of power by Congress to the president.

The 1st EO was issued by 1st president.

Not long ago I was flamed by making negative comments about that president.

Mordor, is the correct term. Apparently there are more than just the three rings; more as to the link- by- link of our self made chains.

“I wear the chain I forged in life…”
” I girded it on of my own free will, and of my own free will I wore it.” Dickens

Maggie
Maggie
  Grog
August 1, 2016 7:06 am

They seem to be getting lots of mileage out of the general welfare clause.

Maggie
Maggie
July 30, 2016 4:30 pm

My young cousin’s wife asked me to teach her to can food and make homemade breads and other culinary delights I’ve learned to make over the last 50 some-odd years. I was more than happy to do so and we have put up a lot of bone soup and a variety of wonderful efforts to teach her the basics of sterilizing jars and pressure canning foods for long term storage.

Well, since they are buying their first home on a plot of land and saving nickels and dimes, she couldn’t affort a new pressure canner. I came across one (okay, I was looking for her but you can’t blame me… how often does a 20 something young woman want to learn about making food!) that was really cheap, but was one of the old metal-to-metal seal (screw-down bolts) canners that the Amish treasure because they do not require a rubber seal that must be replaced periodically. I almost kept it for myself, but wanted her to be able to can meals for her hard-working husband and two-year-old son, who really is named Huckleberry, Huck for short, I kid you NOT.

We canned a couple of times together with MY canner and I showed her how to use the antique canner (having used it here to make sure it was operable and had no problems) and then told her the ONE thing she should never do: DO NOT take any shortcuts when getting ready to put the heat on the canner and start elevating the atmospheric pressure inside. Do everything by the book.

Well, I’ll be honest and tell you that the only way some of us ever learn is by almost killing ourselves. So, it didn’t surprise me when she told me yesterday that she had been in a hurry to can some stew and the bolt had not seemed tight enough, but she figured it would tighten when the metal expanded and the lid sealed. So, when she heard a hissing she should NOT have heard, she ran to see if it was that bolt and got sprayed with fluid hot enough to cause second degree burns on her chest and neck.

Now, I HATE that she has some bad burns. But when she said to her husband that “I got burned because I didn’t do what Maggie told me to do” I felt that maybe there are some young folks out there who have a shot at making the world work by hand again.

Mostly, I’m glad I was already paid for the canner.

Billah's wife
Billah's wife
July 30, 2016 6:12 pm

Yer uh cold hearted biznatch maggie. Even though this personal anecdote regarding yer imaginary cousins wife is clearly another dose of the bullshit that so effortlessly gurgles up from the back uh yer throat, yer still shouldnt be happy she got burnt in yer imagination.

Homer
Homer
July 31, 2016 1:39 am

Ah! What can I say. Billah’s wife who’s never heard of a spell checker.

Maggie
Maggie
  Homer
July 31, 2016 2:10 am

Ah, Homer. You haven’t yet met the TBP skank?

Sesto Ilmari
Sesto Ilmari
August 1, 2016 6:25 am

What about this: Tony Robbins is the Grey Champion, with millions of flickering high-will followers and replicas. The failure of his and his followers egoic procedures creates in the Fourth Turning a vacuum, to be filled by an actual spiritual reformist movement in the next second turning. Most probably followers of Yogananda.

Billah's wife
Billah's wife
August 1, 2016 3:37 pm

Hi beaner.