Mommy and Daddy

Facts and logic, or evolutionary hardwiring? The latter wins every time.

Guest post by Robert Gore at Straight Line Logic

Have you ever won or lost a political argument? Have you or an opponent ever said: “Your facts and logic are overpowering, I have to concede that you’re right.” It’s never happened, has it? It doesn’t happen because politics has little to do with facts and logic. It’s anchored in emotions that take root in infancy and are so deeply ingrained they are undoubtedly part of humanity’s evolutionary code. No bond is more enduring than that between parent and child, and none is more laden with psychological baggage. While political argument will always be a frustratingly fruitless endeavor, you can at least understand why this is so, and perhaps avoid wasting your time.

The first lesson infants learn, evolutionarily hardwired, is that mom provides. She supplies the physical basics, and psychological sustenance as well. She smiles and coos, delighted by almost everything her baby does. “Mom,” as in mom and the apple pies she cooks, has a sacred, unrivaled place in the human conscious and subconscious. Insulting someone’s mother is an invitation to a fight. Whether you realize or admit it or not, the person that bore, gave birth, and nurtured you through childhood has a outsize presence in your psyche.

“Branding” is a marketing buzzword, but one of some intellectual value in a field littered with useless emissions. If you’re trying to sell something, you want consumers to associate your product or service with a simple but psychologically powerful concept. Food companies and restaurant chains sell healthy and delicious, or tie eating into warm memories. Purveyors of athletic clothes and footwear link themselves with athletic excellence. The fat blob swilling beer on the couch gets winded going to the refrigerator, but wears Nike sweats. Cosmetic and fashion companies peddle hope to millions of women and men who will never look like the models who show off the merchandise. Insurance and home security companies sell fear.

The Democratic party is mom: it’s going to take care of you. It is not a coincidence that its ascendancy in the 1930s and 40s occurred after women got the vote. Mom is unconditional love. She may scold you after you mess up, even send you to your room without dinner, but she’ll never starve you. When the chips are really down, she’ll be there. Franklin Roosevelt rebranded the Democratic party and the federal government. He transformed the government into the ultimate provider and the Democratic party into mom, standing by her children as they face life’s brutal exigencies. Like him or hate him, he did a masterful job; the rebranding still works over eighty years after he first took office, an extraordinarily durable marketing theme.

The Republican party is dad. Its branding is not on internal, familial issues, but the external—working, protecting, and providing for the family as a whole. Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush have been most responsible for current Republican branding. Reagan’s peace through strength rhetoric and policies were directed towards the Soviet Union. Bush essentially redirected them towards Islamic extremism. On economic issues, the Republicans have conflated the well-being of large, multinational corporations with the well-being of the average working American. Thus, virtually open immigration and international trade agreements, misleadingly labeled “free trade,” have been sold as essential to the country’s economic health.

Donald Trump is not attempting to rebrand the Republican party, but to demonstrate that it has failed in its fatherly duties and to show he can restore it. The national security state is open to a myriad of criticisms, but the criticism that resonates, the one upon which Trump must constantly amplify, is that it has failed to protect Americans. Dead soldiers and trillions spent in far away lands are one thing, regrettable but mostly ignored in this country. When blowback terrorism reaches kissing cousin Europe, and more importantly, the United States, dad hasn’t done his job. One of Trump’s first big controversies was when he criticized George W. Bush for failing to protect us from 9/11. The howls of outrage from the traditional candidates and their punditry spoke volumes. It was, however, a masterstroke—linking the traditional Republican president to a massive security failure—and it worked.

Trump has linked immigration to terrorism, crime, and economic stagnation: again, dad falling down on the job, not protecting and providing. His criticisms of trade agreements have paternal resonance. Jobs and industry have left the US, preventing, through no fault of their own, men who worked in the vanished factories from providing for their families. They are not looking for sustenance from mom, but rather a chance to fulfill their role as fathers, and they’ve become Trump’s base. These Republicans are the kid who sees his dad drunk in a bar when he’s supposed to be on the job he hasn’t told the family he no longer has. The kid knows something is terribly wrong. Trump tells the kid that he can sober up dad, get him back to work, and keep the kid and his family safe.

Hillary Clinton is attempting political androgyny. She’s the single parent mom and dad, fitting for the party whose policies have created so many single parent families. She is appealing to those Republicans who believe that belligerent foreign intervention, open borders, and corporate managed trade will protect the family and bring home the bacon. Sixteen challengers thought those articles of faith still fit the Republican brand; they lost to the candidate who didn’t. Maybe enough of the daddy-traditionalists will overcome their intense loathing of all things Clinton to make a difference, maybe not. However, the strategy may well backfire with her own party.

If Bernie Sanders had been a candidate in the 1960s, his supporters would undoubtedly have been viscerally and vociferously opposed to the Vietnam War. Today, to they extent they show any concern about foreign and military affairs, Democrats worry that money spent on foreign interventions is money that should have been spent at home—dad taking money from mom. Sanders’ supporters are the ultimate mom voters, and they might have upended Clinton had the process not been rigged. So far, they haven’t warmed up to the candidate who’s trying to out-dad the Republicans, rigged the nomination, and only pays lip service to their “needs.” Satisfying needs is what moms do, and if Hillary doesn’t credibly address their psychology, many will sit on their hands or vote for Jill Stein.

What about those who don’t have mommy or daddy issues, who stand on their own two feet and don’t want to be bothered by the mommy-crats and daddy-crats? Their numbers are so small they’re politically irrelevant. Pathological psychological dependency feeds on itself, reinforced by tribalism. Crowds are stupid; wisdom is solitary. The individualists see the light, but only because they broke from the pack and thought for themselves. They owe their wisdom more to what they’ve read (mostly on the Internet), and thought about on their own, than what they’ve been told, and told to accept. The mommy and daddy analysis of politics offers them only the cold comfort of an explanation as to why they never win arguments, although they usually have history, facts, and logic on their side. Now, at least, they can avoid wasting their precious time.

 

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hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
August 2, 2016 12:05 pm

Over the past few days my youngest son has been with me wherever I go. We talk virtually the entire time and I use his questions as a platform for explaining how the real world works. We’ve been going over the matriarchal v. patriarchal systems of governance and pointing out the very deep political divide in the country based on these distinct and polarized approaches. I think the best bon mot we’ve come across to fit our family is that my wife raises the children and I raise the adults. Where she is always the feminine side offering safety and security in the home and constant encouragement and- even though I heartily disapprove of it- the invasions of privacy to keep up with their lives, I offer the freedom and liberty, not only to take risks, but to accept the consequences of their decision making and failures without interference. With my wife all that matters is that they try, with me all that matters is that they succeed. Now to be fair I don’t think ether system alone is adequate to raise a healthy and honorable child with a balance of both independence and empathy and therein lies a huge part of the problem we have today. Whenever I hear an adult going on about their troubles (whinging and whining as my mother used to call it) I always respond with “sorry about your Dad.” The kids think that this is uproariously funny because 9 times out of 10 when the person asks what I mean by that we discover that they were raised without a Father. It may even be more often than that. Men raised by an intact family rarely complain and almost never ask for assistance where they could solve the problem on their own. Women raised the same way often seek out these kinds of men.

The damage done by tearing down the family structure is so deep and systemic I don’t think we will recover from it’s legacy. Thank God that there will be those who were raised well and with the input of feminine mothers and masculine fathers to clean up the wreckage afterwards.

Jason Calley
Jason Calley
  hardscrabble farmer
August 2, 2016 12:47 pm

“Whenever I hear an adult going on about their troubles (whinging and whining as my mother used to call it) I always respond with “sorry about your Dad.” ”

That is perhaps the most brilliant thing I have read today! 🙂

If you are not familiar with r vs K selection, you may enjoy watching https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8N3FF_3KvU
I think you will see much similarity to what you have commented above.

TJF
TJF
  Jason Calley
August 2, 2016 9:57 pm

Watching the r vs. K videos now. Interesting, thanks for posting the link.

StanFL
StanFL
  hardscrabble farmer
August 2, 2016 1:12 pm

It’s easy to divide people into two groups, but I think there is a much more devastating underlying problem. Parents do not know how to be parents. Many confuse it with peer group interaction, and fail to understand the need to communicate on a child’s level and change that as they age. Nor do they set goals for their parenting. Before one has to worry about the dominance of maternal or paternal parenting, one has to worry about the absence of parenting.

Jake Wood
Jake Wood
  Robert Gore
August 2, 2016 3:19 pm

Robert,
Terrific job on this piece! Great analogies, great points!

Gayle
Gayle
  hardscrabble farmer
August 2, 2016 1:26 pm

But.. but.. HS I watched a movie preview over the weekend for “Bridget Jones’ Baby.” It’s just so cute and funny. Bridget slept with two guys at about the same time and turned up pregnant! It was so funny! Then she had to tell both guys. It was hilarious! They both hoped they were the daddy so she spent the entire pregnancy being loved and spoiled by the two wanna-be daddies! It was so cute! Cute cute cute! Unfortunately the trailer didn’t let the audience know who won. Maybe she had twins, one from each. I always imagine the thirteen year-olds who watch this type of trash having their moral codes being formed, based on lies from a bunch of morally depraved Hollywood moguls who profit from it.

I don’t suppose this movie will be a big hit in the theaters, but it will be played repeatedly on TV in millions of homes.

I was born in the wrong era.

Jake Wood
Jake Wood
  hardscrabble farmer
August 2, 2016 3:16 pm

“Hardscrabble”……..first off, you’re a terrific writer; secondly, your message is powerful and filled with some juicy nuggets that should be heeded if not at least considered by many young parents! Well said!

ILuvCO2
ILuvCO2
  hardscrabble farmer
August 2, 2016 3:22 pm

Right on HSF, kids need a Dad to tell them to Suck It Up and solve the problem instead when they are whining. And offer assistance in doing so if needed.

Muck About
Muck About
  hardscrabble farmer
August 2, 2016 5:06 pm

@HS: I love the way you can take a good _detailed_ article and make the same points more personally, connect with your reader in the first sentence and come across with a summary of the salient points of the article in one paragraph. Very impressive..

Muck

Gator
Gator
  hardscrabble farmer
August 2, 2016 9:56 pm

HSF, that’s not all that happens to males raised without a father. One of the few useful things I remember from the psychology electives I took in college is that although mothers are known as the nurturer, the father is where they learn to develop empathy. Children growing up without the capacity for empathy tend to be more violent and lean towards sociopathy.

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
  hardscrabble farmer
August 3, 2016 6:19 am

I saw the one down vote. Sorry about your father.

Francis Marion
Francis Marion
  hardscrabble farmer
August 4, 2016 12:07 am

Love the quote. I am going to steal it.

When my wife and I were young and busy reproducing she used to complain bitterly that I was always off leaving her with the little ones on her own. I used to tell her not to worry too much because in a few years the kids would rather be with me than her. Such is the natural progression of life. I usually got a raised eyebrow and a sarcastic “see you in a week great white hunter”. When my son turned about five he would start following me and my father around a lot. Cutting and stacking firewood, hunting, building stuff, fixing things. He loved it all. By the time he was seven she had pretty much lost him to us. He went hunting with me in Africa for the first time at that age. He’s been mine to raise pretty much since. My daughter has come to me a bit later but I can tell she is now ready to have more time with me. Mothers teach children to behave and to think of others. Fathers teach children simply to think. Plus we do cool stuff with them. That makes us much more exciting to be around as they get older. The three of us are hiking here on Tuesday:

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Mother will not be accompanying us.

There’s a lot of variation in there mind you but the outline is similar for most healthy families. That being said none of it has been necessarily ‘easy’ or simple. In spite of the fact that there are volumes of books written on the subject we all seem to have to learn and struggle through these lessons on our own anyways. But then most things worth doing are not simple. Marriage and kids included.

John Angelo
John Angelo
August 2, 2016 1:31 pm

You combined my two fields of study in college – government and psychology – into one well-written and impressively reasoned article. Well said, Robert Gore. A+

Gayle
Gayle
August 2, 2016 1:36 pm

Robert

I like your metaphors. You have valid points I think.

I have always been intrigued by the founders’ assumption that women shouldn’t vote. I haven’t studied their justifications, but feel safe in guessing they suspected that female emotions could interfere with the rational mindset needed for competent voting.

Maggie
Maggie
  Gayle
August 2, 2016 2:26 pm

I came across this little advertised fact about women and the vote during my long-ago hopeful days studying journalism and politics. The first woman to serve in the House of Representatives AFTER women won the right to vote was virulently ANTI-women’s suffrage and won on a platform to try and STOP women from voting.

http://history.house.gov/People/Listing/R/ROBERTSON,-Alice-Mary-(R000318)/

Rocky
Rocky
  Gayle
August 2, 2016 10:05 pm

Gayle,
I think your suspicions are correct. No big deal though.

larry morris
larry morris
August 2, 2016 1:41 pm

my dad said do whats right no excuse i have lived that way all my life people that cry i dont care raise 5 kids 3 good 2 up in the air in 1964 when in the army learned a lesson the demos lied about goldwater so bad i never voted demo again

Rdawg
Rdawg
  larry morris
August 2, 2016 2:20 pm

Slow down there, larry. Sure, proper grammar takes a little bit of time on the writer’s part, but it makes the prose ever so much easier to read.

Jake Wood
Jake Wood
  larry morris
August 2, 2016 7:31 pm

Larry, thanks for your service and the common sense I’m sure you’ve contributed through your children and to others in your time on this earth!

IndenturedServant
IndenturedServant
  larry morris
August 2, 2016 11:17 pm

Your dad didn’t include punctuation in the “what’s right” category did he? I hope you didn’t help your kids with their homework!

Maggie
Maggie
August 2, 2016 3:40 pm

It is a good analogy except I’m trying to figure out where baby daddy mama or baby mama daddy fit in.

SpecOpsAlpha
SpecOpsAlpha
August 2, 2016 3:47 pm

Look at these stupid creatures — Hillary can lie and cheat, be grossly negligent with national security…and they support her. Anyone can document lie after lie, as did the Washington Post, and still the lowlife cattle like Warren Buffett support her. Prove that she sent Above Top Secret emails to Sidney Blumenthal…absolutely proven…and her poll numbers go up.
And Trump gets attacked because a sacrosanct Gold Star family attacks his patriotism on national TV, and he responds. OMG, how terrible.
Bunch of goddamn cattle deserve every fucking thing their going to get. I hope Hillery goes in dry on the cattle.

mark
mark
August 2, 2016 4:02 pm

I dont know about your mommy and daddy thing.

We do know that babbies emit phermones that negate the little-man behind the window type of free will you are refering. You have to establish a chemical bond on neurons to establish your theory.

Dont think your going to find one with respect to the government.

JIMSKI
JIMSKI
August 2, 2016 4:54 pm

“The first lesson infants learn, evolutionarily hardwired, is that mom provides. She supplies the physical basics, and psychological sustenance as well. She smiles and coos, delighted by almost everything her baby does. “Mom,” as in mom and the apple pies she cooks, has a sacred, unrivaled place in the human conscious and subconscious. ”

O Puke…….

Yes you are correct. From about 1945 on in some parts of the world and in most of the world right now children are an economic device used to generate income or food.

We live in a great time in history. Just because the CURRENT system has mom and dad does not mean it is historical.

It’s almost like he never read a history book at all……….

ILuvCO2
ILuvCO2
  JIMSKI
August 2, 2016 7:59 pm

“From about 1945 on in some parts of the world and in most of the world right now children are an economic device used to generate income or food.”

I would contend that in America it was like that in this country UNTIL about 1942. The history of America until then was farm families having many kids to help on the family farm. In 1942 many farm boys as young as 16 volunteered for service to get off the farm. My father-in-law left the homestead NH farm just for that reason. After that, factory farms took over so no more need to have many children. Kids got factory jobs when coming home from the war instead of farming. And it’s been downhill ever since. The rest of the world is catching up, to the detriment of the family and the environment and clean food. Now thanks to ‘trade deals’ and globalism, those factory jobs are gone. So back to small farm organic food farming.

However, the small farm organic food movement is being fought by big agribusiness at every turn, especially through government regulation. Raw milk availability as just one of many examples.

susanna
susanna
  ILuvCO2
August 3, 2016 9:24 am

FWIW…raw milk from the cow to farmer to you…is not
drunk straight from the cow, into a glass. It has to be pasteurized. There are tabletop units for this process. One
could use a pan on the stove/tricky. The milk isn’t homogenized
however. People want to get milk that isn’t from an industrial
farm. I am sure few people pursue this raw milk buying
as a matter of course. Cows give 2 gallons of milk a day/about,
so there would be extra except in the largest of families.
Rather than give the farmer cash, give a gift certificate to the
grocery store (or dollar store) or maybe the hardware store…
you get the point. Should you want to buy store milk, get the
whole milk. The whole “fat” in food theory is all BS anyway.

bb
bb
August 2, 2016 4:57 pm

Well , I turned out OK .Not once in my life have I voted for a Damn democrat. Not once.I truly began to hate those son of a bitches during the Vietnam war. Saw them as scum shit.Was glad when the national guard killed those students in Ohio in 1970.

Tinky
Tinky
  bb
August 2, 2016 5:26 pm

The (presumed) honesty of your comment is badly outweighed by its breathtaking ignorance.

noname
noname
  bb
August 2, 2016 11:07 pm

Beebs, there are very few on this site that would agree that you turned out ok.. But that’s ok, go ahead and keep living your dream!

acetinker
acetinker
  bb
August 3, 2016 1:26 am

Oh sweet Jesus, bb. You really are an idiot!
Go fuck your cat or sumthin.
Truckers aren’t known for superior intellect, but most of ’em use their ‘alone time’ to think. You are obviously not most.
Party affiliation is for idiots, btw. I’m reacting to your stance on the Kent State thingy.

Homer
Homer
  bb
August 3, 2016 1:35 pm

bb–You must still be under the anesthesia from your operation. I would say that you’re not thinking coherently.

Not voting Democrat doesn’t mean that you have a superior position. It might mean that you aren’t a rational thinker evaluating pros and cons, but wedded to a rigid unyielding belief. Rational people are always evaluating. Zombies are always rigid and unyielding.

Governments always prefer zombies over rational people as zombies are easier to control.

Unscripted
Unscripted
August 2, 2016 5:36 pm

Sadly, The Beaver has left the building.

He and Wally picked up the Brady girls and they went to Woodstock where they did some bad acid with Ken Kesey and the Merry Pranksters.

Then Timothy Leary gave them all a ride home and introduced them to Saul Alinsky who helped them draft Powers of Attorney for Ward, June, Mike and Carol to sign before they were committed to the nursing home.

Then all the kids put their own kids into daycare and became schoolteachers, government employees and politicians.

The rest, as they say, is history.

acetinker
acetinker
  Unscripted
August 3, 2016 2:00 am

Unscripted, You’re kinda right- but you’re mostly wrong. Mike was a fag, and Carol just cameo’d in a new movie. Ward and June are both dead, so they can’t defend themselves.

The rest of that bunch you mention are pushin’ up daisies or living in various circles of Dante’s hell.
But for the grace of God, we’d be there too.

Grog
Grog
  Unscripted
August 3, 2016 9:59 am

Unscripted is Eddie Haskell.

Winston
Winston
August 2, 2016 5:41 pm

To me this is all a brick wall. Our country, or should I say “America” hurls towards it. I think it stopped being my country, sometime around Ross Perot, if I had to guess. Anyhow, I am but a fly in the car with the windows rolled up, buzzing around what is “America” waiting to get swatted. My forefathers came here, helped build this country, worked hard and died and for there trouble they get this. What this country has become. A pathetic, narcissistic, bully of a nation, ruled by fools and followed by even more.
It seems the progeny of the people who built this country, are dead set on destroying it. This country has become Apartheid on steroids. A race that is by far a minority on this planet, guilting itself to non-existence. I find it beyond belief. How could a race be changed so much in the course of a generation. At least we still have Vodka. Thanks Russia!

Jake Wood
Jake Wood
  Winston
August 2, 2016 8:21 pm

Winston,
Disagree with you on the “bully” assessment of this country; but I think the “guilting itself to non-existence” statement is spot on! Me thinks that good if not great intentions made by Caucasian people in western society have been misdirected at times and met with blunt force trauma other times. Good people who’ve been donating time, money and goodwill over a 1/2 century are getting tired of being called haters and racists. I think the worm is about to turn!

IndenturedServant
IndenturedServant
  Jake Wood
August 2, 2016 11:29 pm

Jake Wood said:
“Disagree with you on the “bully” assessment of this country;”

Then you clearly have not been paying attention. The US is the biggest fucking bully on the planet. Try to sell YOUR OWN oil in any currency other than dollars and you get monkey hammered. Fail to toe our line on any of hundreds of issues and the sanctions kick in.

Fucking Obama gave a speech about the “normalization” of relations with Cuba where he emphatically stated that sanctions DO NOT work and then literally stepped up to another podium between breaths and announced the imposition of sanctions against Vladamir Putin’s Russia! If we are not the bully I’d love to hear your explanation of Ukraine or Syria!

susanna
susanna
  IndenturedServant
August 3, 2016 9:32 am

Ditto and ditto again. Go against the USA? Look to
be murdered. Of course, this is about international
policies…but this works on individuals as well. Three,
maybe four individuals that posed a threat to HRC have
died in the last month alone…and those are the ones we
know about.
IS, again you are a total smartie, and you do not mince
words. Thanks to you.
Suzanna

IndenturedServant
IndenturedServant
  susanna
August 4, 2016 7:48 am

🙂 Yeah, I’m not terribly fond of beating around the bush.

The USA being the worlds biggest bully is one thing that really chaps my ass because they have the audacity to do it in MY name. Even when it comes to the supposed “good deeds” done in our name……..after the 2010 earthquake in Haiti we sent hundreds of millions if not billions of shekels down there to help rebuild etc. Take a look at the place today……..it’s still a total shithole that looks like the earthquake happened six months ago. People still dying of disease because they still don’t have clean water of functioning sewer systems, very little in the hardest hit areas has been rebuilt but the money is all gone!

(yeah I know it was a shithole before the quake but we (the US) simply funneled the “aid” money down there through various contractors and other fronts to the big moneyed and connected interests in the name of US humanitarian aid)

Read Smedley Butler’s book or Confessions of an Economic Hit Man. The USA industrial complex makes the Italian mob look like angels.

My family has a strong background serving in the US military and it really pisses me off that those that served were just pawns with little value above cannon fodder who had their patriotism used against them to serve and enrich the oligarchs.

SSS
SSS
August 2, 2016 7:27 pm

“Not once in my life have I voted for a Damn democrat. Not once. I truly began to hate those son of a bitches during the Vietnam war. Saw them as scum shit. Was glad when the national guard killed those students in Ohio in 1970.”
—-bb

You were doing fine until the last sentence.

IndenturedServant
IndenturedServant
  SSS
August 4, 2016 7:54 am

I though the beebs was about 55 years old or so? That would have made him about 9 in 1970.

jamesthewanderer
jamesthewanderer
August 3, 2016 1:30 am

There is no guarantee that even with a two-parent family that your children will turn out well-adjusted or normal. Being raised by one parent would make that even more tough, I would imagine; requiring a person of amazing strength, character and determination to pull it off.
Perhaps dads develop empathy through punishing mischief? If you bite your sister and your butt gets hammered for it, does that teach only pain and dad’s bigger and meaner than you are, or teach that your sister’s pain was real, and you had no business giving it? If you are never taught that others’ pain is as real to them as yours is to you, how would you learn?
Seems like a lot of BLM, third-wave feminism and societal failures now are a result of lack of real dads there to teach empathy. Maybe I’m wrong, YMMV.

Rob in Nova Scotia
Rob in Nova Scotia
August 3, 2016 8:49 am

James

I think you are right.

I read your post about guarantees and empathy. While there are lots of great single parents, mostly Moms, what has been borne out by facts and outcomes is children growing up with positive male influence, hopefully Biological Dads, are more likely to succeed. What’s more they tend to be on the whole, like HardScrabble said above, more empathetic and rounded as citizens. I write this because I was reminded of a TEDx talk I watched a while back by Warren Farrell.

Things won’t be fixed until we return to a traditional family model. Will it? I hope it can but I don’t think it will. BLM and 3rd wave Fembots have taken the stage and won’t give it back without a fight. In any case, we are too far down the rabbit hole to children being born factory style. The State has, in my opinion, become the de facto parents as framed by Robert Gore for way too many future citizens. Some succeed true but lots more will live outside societal norms. Fill the jails with their inability to be productive. But that is the plan I suppose isn’t it. Fascists from ancient Sparta to the modern day have realized that the family is the one last barrier that needs to be overcome in order to implement total control.

susanna
susanna
August 3, 2016 9:42 am

Rob,
That is a very good comment. Children are best launched from
a nuclear family.

Mr. Gore, your essay/article inspired many comments, but not
the plethora of thank you responses. So you know how much
we appreciate you…A big air kiss and a thank you to you.
Suzanna

Robert Gore
Robert Gore
  susanna
August 3, 2016 11:19 pm

Thanks for your comment and everyone else’s. I’m off fishing right now so I haven’t had a chance to respond.

SGN
SGN
August 3, 2016 9:56 am

thanks RG, great thoughts again…

Boat Guy
Boat Guy
August 3, 2016 2:22 pm

Wow , I must have been severely abused physically and emotionally as a child . People told me plenty of times but all I remember is catching shit for everything and getting slapped around occasionally ! Poor me wa wa wa , left home at 19 , married at 20 wife had odd ball parents too . We delayed becoming parents till we broke the 40 age mark . Not without its challenges but my wife and I will be remembered as mom & dad who were always there when needed and that’s good enough of an improvement for us !

Homer
Homer
  Boat Guy
August 3, 2016 4:02 pm

We rarely get what we want in life, but most often get what we need and we most often dwell upon our wants that weren’t fulfilled rather on our needs that were. Funny how life works out.

What matters, I suspect, is that we are a better person because of our experiences. I know that’s whats true with me.

DFCtomm
DFCtomm
August 3, 2016 4:57 pm

I have to disagree with that somewhat. You never win an argument on the internet, but I think sometimes you can plant a seed that does flower into change later, but nobody is going to say ‘you’re right good sir, and I have changed my mind’. However, opinions do move, but it’s a slow process.

IndenturedServant
IndenturedServant
  DFCtomm
August 4, 2016 7:27 am

I must be a real oddball then because I’ve had my mind changed about a number of things right here on TBP and said so at the time.

Westcoaster
Westcoaster
August 3, 2016 5:50 pm

Whatcha wanna bet Ole’ Father Young was doing Kitten? Nice points!

Grog
Grog
  Westcoaster
August 4, 2016 4:20 am

Come on Westie… That’s disgusting.
That comment is beneath you (even if you are a semi-recovering socialist).

nkit
nkit
August 3, 2016 8:54 pm

got our first fireflies of the season tonight…..Welcome back Gus, and Sam too…