A Big Got Damned Difference

Guest Post by Eric Peters

A reader – a Libertarian friend – chastises me for supporting Trump over Hillary; for supporting any candidate who isn’t a principled Libertarian. I thought some of you might be interested in a principled Libertarian’s thoughts on this business:

Dear X –

Here’s a stark difference to consider: Hillary is a murderer. A mass murderer. By proxy, yes – but a murderer, nonetheless. Eager to have people killed. Arguably, more guilty of murder than Julius Streicher – who was hanged for merely inciting murderous hatred. Hillary has ordered people killed. Has literally reveled in the murder-by-sodomy of Quaddafi, which she helped to orchestrate. Hillary face

She is an obvious psychopath. Worse than The Chimp, even. And The Chimp was pretty got-damned awful.

Trump is arrogant, a blowhard. He may be a dick. But he hasn’t killed anyone that I am aware of, either himself or by proxy.

He doesn’t seem eager to get the US involved in more wars. Hillary does.

If she is elected, more people will die – a certainty.

With Trump, they may not.

That’s a big got-damned difference, in my book.

Here’s another: If elected, Hillary will, for a certainty, pick at least two and probably three Supreme Court justices who share her Mao/Stalin/Hitler-esque views on the right of other-than-government-workers to possess firearms. You and I and other not-government-workers who currently possess firearms will almost certainly be declared criminals by judicial (or executive) fatwa if that woman is elected. She will do everything within her power – which will be effectively limitless – to disarm us and criminalize us if we object. Roll these names over in your head: Justice Feinstein… Justice Schumer… Justice Obama.Hillary Supreme

Trump seems disinclined to disarm us. He has consistently defended our right to possess firearms. It is probable he would select justices who share his views. He almost certainly would not appoint someone like Feinstein, Schumer or Obama to the Supreme Court.

That’s a big got-damned difference, in my book.

I do not think Trump would attempt to forcibly “diversify” every county, town and neighborhood in the country – by forcibly importing the Section 8 divisions of the Free Shit Army. Or by importing “refugees” into every nook and cranny of America. Trump appears to believe in free association. We know for a fact that Hillary does not believe in free association.

That, too, is a big got-damned difference in my book.

Which of the two do you suppose is more likely to defend and expand Obamacare? There is a decent chance that Trump would at least attempt to dismantle it. Do you think there is any chance Hillary will attempt to dismantle Obamacare? Keep in mind that Obamacare provides the necessary pretext for the government-insurance mafia combine to control and micromanage every aspect of our lives. It is the end of whatever privacy/autonomy as individuals we still retain. Some of you may recall that when Hillary was first lady and pushing the precursor to Obamacare, she proposed making it a criminal offense to seek (or provide) medical treatment outside the government “plan.”  Hillary obamacare

With Hillary, Obamacare is forever. And will become much worse.

With Trump, maybe not.

That is a big got-damned difference.

Yes, I understand that Trump is not a Libertarian; I agree that he has authoritarian tendencies of his own. But – for the first time in my lifetime – there appears to be a meaningful choice between these two candidates. It is not a question of slightly less or slightly more government – the usual “dime’s worth” of difference between a Republican and a Democrat candidate for the presidency. In which case it has always (my view) been the right thing to either opt out and give sanction to neither or (better) “throw away” one’s vote on a principled candidate such as Harry Browne or Ron Paul.

Because in those cases, it has not been a case of life or death.

Literally.

And, figuratively.

If Hillary is elected, it will mean the end of whatever remained of America as it was formerly constituted. Our vassalage will be complete. There will be nothing left to us except to do as we are told. Things even Obama hasn’t dared, Hillary will do – lustily. If you can’t see it in her eyes, then listen to her words.

Obama, somewhat to his credit, does not appear to be enthusiastic about killing people. Watch this video of Hillary:

Trump’s narcissism is a pop rock compared with the sing-song psychopathy revealed here.

It’s a huge got-damned difference.orwell

I understand wanting to support a principled Libertarian. Even better, not having to support anyone for Dear Leader as Libertarians aren’t interested in Dear Leaders of any species, whether “conservative” or “liberal.” But lives are literally at stake here. Possibly, millions of them. Not just the murdered in Hillary’s certain wars but our lives, too.  Disarmed, criminalized, controlled and micromanaged without limit.

That’s the choice bearing down on us.

I think Libertarians have an obligation to do whatever they can to avoid the fulfillment of everything Hillary stands for – even if it means holding our noses and voting for Trump.

Because if we don’t, Hillary will win. In which case we lose.

Perhaps, forever.


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Iska Waran
Iska Waran
August 5, 2016 10:52 am

If this were an election between Hillary and Jeb Bush, voting for a 3rd party candidate might make some sense. It isn’t and it doesn’t.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Iska Waran
August 5, 2016 12:00 pm

Trump is, in essence, a third party candidate that managed to get the GOP nomination.

He’s certainly not another run of the mill Republican, and very obviously not a Democrat.

Ed
Ed
  Iska Waran
August 5, 2016 6:08 pm

A got-damn genius:

TJF
TJF
August 5, 2016 10:59 am

Got-damned? Really? I don’t understand that. This is sorta like Mr. Dilbert writing pro-Trump articles and then adding a caveat at the end saying he is supporting Hillary because he is a pussy.

Either say what you mean (god damned) or if you do not wish to take a name in vain or offend those who might be offended, do you really think it is any better to almost say it, but not really say it? It is the same exact thing except with 100% more pussification.

Now on to the substance of the post, I am not quite there yet, but I may end up voting for Trump and breaking my lesser of two evils is still evil approach that I have followed since voting for G.W. Bush the first time as an Anti-Gore vote since I couldn’t stomach the man since he served under Clinton and would’ve resigned if he had any integrity.

Grog
Grog
  TJF
August 5, 2016 12:42 pm

Perhaps, you do not understand the inflection/spellin’ of southern-Appalachian pronunciations.
It is like the word naked.
Naked is when one is w/o clothing.
Nekkid is when one has on no clothes and is up to something.

Ed
Ed
  Grog
August 5, 2016 6:03 pm

Yep, like “nekkid as a jay bird”, or “buck nekkid”.

Ed
Ed
  TJF
August 5, 2016 1:00 pm

TJF, the “got damned” thing was a reaction to automatic moderation software years back. I got in the habit of using got damn, fork you, $#!+, and other dodges along with a list of acronyms like KMA, FOAD, ES&D, etc. It ain’t pussification, by any means. Not every forum allows the free expression that Jim provides here.

The use of such terms just dates a commenter as being an internet oldtimer, in my view.

TJF
TJF
  Ed
August 5, 2016 6:10 pm

Ok, that makes sense. I was afraid you were trying to be politically correct by not saying god when you meant god.

Ed
Ed
  TJF
August 5, 2016 6:23 pm

My favorite acronym of all time is FTAFTFH: fuck them and feed them fish heads, a ‘Nam era saying in the South.

larry morris
larry morris
August 5, 2016 11:32 am

i well never turn my back on a demo again

nkit
nkit
  larry morris
August 5, 2016 11:39 am

Thanks, Eric. That was the doom and gloom fix I was Jonesing for today. That hit the spot.

TC
TC
August 5, 2016 11:46 am

As a fellow Libertarian, I agree with everything you’ve said. I’d also add that, yes there’s a LP candidate, but those guys aren’t serious. This is the best opportunity of my lifetime for a serious liberty-minded, freedom-oriented party (and candidate) to take the center stage, get out their message to an American populace desperate for an alternative, and they fucking blew it. If I didn’t know better, I’d say the current LP aparatus has its strings pulled by the same “PTB” that pulls the other parties’ strings. Given that, voting Trump is the most obvious choice.

Ed
Ed
  TC
August 5, 2016 1:06 pm

TC, the LP has been fielding non-libertarian candidates for a long time, leading me to the conclusion that the LP isn’t libertarian. I was a member until about ’97 or thereabouts. Hanging in with them until then was stupid on my part. I had felt like leaving when they anointed that smarmy shake and bake Harry Browne, but I foolishly held on and watched them toss my money down the rathole with another intentionally thrown campaign.

Ask Bumper Hornberger about them sometime, or do a websearch for his writings in ’97 and around that time.

Gator
Gator
  TC
August 5, 2016 10:19 pm

@TC I agree, this was the time to do it. Those fuckers are trying to pull a ‘rand paul’, softening their positions, and trying to appeal to more garden variety republicans to broaden their support. It didn’t work for rand, and it ain’t working for the LP. All they’ve done is turned themselves into garden variety republicans, which, in case they haven’t noticed, there are already way too many of those. Rand could have been different, up on that debate stage with all those guys who essentially all said and thought the same thing(yes, with the exception of trump) but he chose to toe the line on most issues.

The runner up in the LP contest sounded like a much better candidate, and gary johnson acted like a complete shithead after he won, too(who the fuck THROWS AWAY a gun??). Then we get bill weld as the VP. Ill pass. This could have been the time for the LP to shine, and they blew it. I voted for gary johnson last time around because my write in for ron paul wouldn’t have even been counted in my state. Not this time. My choices are trump or not voting.

Mike
Mike
August 5, 2016 12:04 pm

you gotdamn right

Bea Lever
Bea Lever
August 5, 2016 12:15 pm

With terms like “got damn”, “chimp”, “blowhard…..dick”, that is definitely TBP material. When people start copying your material, you are “winning”.

Weedhpper
Weedhpper
August 5, 2016 12:19 pm

There will be no disarming of Americans. Only long and drawn-out exchanges of gunfire. I took an oath to a principle 36 yeas ago and it is still in effect today. You can come but you will die. I might die too, but that does not worry me. You should be afraid of what I will do; there are many like me.

Feeling froggy? Then jump bitch.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Weedhpper
August 5, 2016 12:33 pm
Weedhpper
Weedhpper
  Anonymous
August 5, 2016 1:04 pm

I am sure. 90% non-compliance. Connecticut, California, Massachusetts, and New York are liberal shit holes where this stuff is DEMANDED. That will no be the case elsewhere. They can come for the guns and ammo. I will give them the ammo first…one round at a time. Then I will beat them to death with the butt of my rifle. We are not going gently into the good night. Many will die and we no longer care. It’s the price.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Weedhpper
August 5, 2016 1:37 pm

With very rare exceptions, all the people who say things like that don’t follow through on it and end up dead or in prison in the process without accomplishing anything at all.

Finicum got killed and the others arrested or on lists to be arrested when it is convenient the way those Bundy Ranch people were and are still being done. No resistance or “fight to the death” stuff when things got real.

FWIW, you just announced illegal intentions, and violent ones against government officials at that, so you should probably consider this: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-08-05/this-company-has-built-a-profile-on-every-american-adult

diogenes
diogenes
August 5, 2016 12:24 pm

Yep, with Trump there is some hope. With Hillary there is no hope. Those who take the stance “All or Nothing” usually end up with nothing. (I think I stole that from Walter Williams)

Suzanna
Suzanna
August 5, 2016 2:31 pm

Silly people talking about guns…no one replying on TBP actually has one,
people just like pretending about it. Let the PTB take the guns in NY and CA,
those people actually do have them.

Obama has been recorded, and the statement, “I’m really good at killing people”
has been repeated many times. HRC has “witnesses” or enemies that must be eliminated.
They are from the same batch of dough.

Stucky
Stucky
August 5, 2016 2:51 pm

“I do not think Trump would attempt to forcibly “diversify” every county, town and neighborhood in the country – by forcibly importing the Section 8 divisions of the Free Shit Army. ” ———— from the article

He reads TBP!!!! (As far as I can tell this is the first place to have ever used “free shit army”.)

Correct about the Supreme Court appointments. However, so very very few cases make it to their docket. It is the lower court appointments and their hundreds of libtard judges which will continue to wreck havoc on Amerika is Hillcunt is elected.

Ed
Ed
  Stucky
August 5, 2016 5:58 pm

Wrong. FSA predates TBP by decades. Vin Suprinowicz used it during the Clinton reign. I saw it on FR in the early ’00s. Bea’s claim that got-damn, dick, chimp, blowhard, etc. is proprietary to TBP is just as wrong. There’s a whole universe of commentary sites on the internet. TBP is not the only one, nor is it the earliest.

yahsure
yahsure
August 5, 2016 4:48 pm

I wonder if this is the last chance to avoid a revolution? Many were taught to fight against communism.Not vote it into power. Our government fuks up everything it touches. Our military is good because of the people,In spite of the government. Any person who thinks government enforced healthcare is a good idea has shit for brains. It is damn scary and sad that so many support Hillary.

General
General
August 5, 2016 5:12 pm

If there ever was another revolution in the United States, the way to fight is with guerilla warfare tactics. While I am NOT an expert at it, I understand the basic premise. And I do expect a revolution or civil war. It is either that, or accept your slavery.

For example, a group of four men with weaponized drones would wreck havoc on the police or government troops. They could be miles away and basically be impossible to retaliate against. That is the way to fight. And no, they are not technically difficult to make. Virtually all the parts are off the shelf.

Gay Veteran
Gay Veteran
August 6, 2016 9:58 am

“…Obama, somewhat to his credit, does not appear to be enthusiastic about killing people….”

WTF? he said that he’s very good at killing people.

as for Hillary, she is insane enough to start a war with Russia!

starfcker
starfcker
August 6, 2016 3:16 pm

Funny, i shake my head at Eric’s car opinions, his supposed field of expertise, yet i actually think his political and economic chops are pretty good. Thumbs up