In 11 weeks we will know who the next president will be, absent any Obama shenanigans. Does it matter if Gary Johnson makes it into the debates? Will the 2 party system crumble before the nation does?
Question of the Day, Aug 24
In 11 weeks we will know who the next president will be, absent any Obama shenanigans. Does it matter if Gary Johnson makes it into the debates? Will the 2 party system crumble before the nation does?
Absolutely yes. If Gary Johnson is part of the debates, the public will hear and possibly learn things that the R and D boneheads refuse to talk about. Hell, let’s even let Jill Stein be part of the debates. How refreshing would that be to hear some alternative points of view from the bullshit Hillary and Donald are talking about.
As to the question about the parties crumbling: maybe. Political parties in the US come and go. The Wigs were once one of the big boys, but now they are gone. However, the difference in the 21st century is the media is trying to hold together the system to maintain the status quo. That’s why Johnson and Stein will never be allowed in the debates. I think the media empires need to crumble first, then the parties will follow. I hope.
@Trapped: ” the public will hear and possibly learn things that the R and D boneheads refuse to talk about”
If you would listen to Trump’s speech’s (here of late) – he has plainly stated the issues we talk about here (like the status quo, invisible government, phoney BLS stats, Federal reserve, immigration, building the wall, etc.)
Gary Johnson (or Jill Stein) has a zero point zero percent chance of participating in the debates. Candidates have to be polling at 15% among the handful of polls selected by the debate panel in order to participate and, even when combined, Johnson and Stein don’t reach that figure.
The two-sides-of-one-party system will crumble, part and parcel, with the nation. You need to be educated, independent, and informed to lean libertarian and that is certainly not the direction this nation will take in the foreseeable future.
Actually, they just hit 16% combined.
Poll Date Sample MoE
Clinton (D)
Trump (R)
Johnson (L)
Stein (G)
NBC News/SM 8/15 – 8/21 43 38 11 5 Clinton +5
The neocon Uniparty is going to try to bullshit Johnson’s poll #’s up to 15% so that he gets into the debates. They’ll put Hillary in between the two men for better pro-Hillary optics. They’re bent on installing Hillary – otherwise we might run out of wars. Gary Johnson is only a tool (useful idiot) to help Hillary – although he’s apparently too stupid to even know that. At least the Mormon (Evan McMullin) they’re running to try to move Utah from Trump’s column into Hillary’s column knows he’s there to help Clinton. Fucking juice.
Very good chance the elites will change the rules, since the change suits them this time. Hillary is sick and does not do well in debates. She hasn’t had a press conference in almost two years. Putting two more candidates on stage allows them to bypass Hillary, cut away from her if she has a seizure, and most importantly, use the MSM to play up Gary Johnson vs. Trump in order to siphon critical votes from Trump in the swing states.
Johnson is a fuck up!
That Johnson will never get near the Hillcunt .
Edit- If indeed they let Johnson and Stein in the debates, it will be because it benefits Hitlery. Different backdoor shifting of votes to the DEM like Perot did for Bubba Clinton.
Remember how the media ignored Ron Paul in the debates? So why do we think the whore media will give any third party a say this time around? Not Going To Happen.
Besides, Libertarians are on the ballot in 42 states, you can’t get elected that way even if the election wasn’t rigged for hilary. Johnson just got on the ballot in Ohio as an independent, so there is a glimmer of hope to get on all 50, but to secure any/enough electoral votes? Also rigged.
We’re not ready for a third party anyway, that would require people to vote their conscious and we know a large percentage of the voters just want more free shit.
Nope, we need pain, lots of pain and hardship before the majority figure out picking one of the current two party system is not the change they are looking for.
@card802: “We’re not ready for a third party anyway”
We are never going to have a meaningful 3rd party – that’s because we don’t have a parliamentary system.
I dunno, the media may give Johnson a shot as a strategy to try diverting at least some percentage of support from Trump.
Here is an interesting take on Gary Johnson from one of my favorite writers.
We have become so accustomed to immediate reactions of positive and negative labels that we forget to dig deeper. I am guilty of making assumptions sometimes because I just don’t have enough time to verify everything that crosses my desk/tablet/screen.
Gary Johnson “Libertarian”, really?
sultanknish.blogspot.com/2016/08/gary-johnsons-seventy-five-percent.html
ymmv
Thanks for listening
OD
Gary Johnson is a spolier, nothing more. He will do nothing but get in the way of saving this country. He is clueless about the realities of race, the invasion of our country by unwanted foreigners, and a million other things. We are in a mortal fight to the death with the Marxists behind the Democratic Party. I have no problem with people like Johnson raising valid issues. On the contrary, it is what they should be doing. The last thing we need now, however, is a loser assuring a Hillary Clinton victory. I do not know how many times people need to be told that this election is a life and death turning point. Hillary Clinton and the lunatics surrounding her will stumble into a confict with Russia and China that will spell the end of America as we know it, and certainly as we would wish it to be. Clinton is an incompetent buffoon surrounded by a clown show of similar buffoons. The Russians and Chinese will be willing to deal with Trump – they want to deal with him. They will deal with Clinton, too, but in a very different way. They will set a clever trap for her and she will walk right into. We will suffer humiliating military reverses and will not be able to respond except by using nukes. Pray that she is sane enough to avoid that! What will follow this? The end of the dollar as a reserve currency, the break up of our military alliances as our “friends and allies” abandon ship, and an economic crash like you can´t even imagine. I say again, love Johnson if you want to but he is not a viable presidential candidate. You have only two choices. Make the right one or forever regret it.
A vote for Johnson IS a vote for Hillary. You decide.
I was stuck in a hotel yesterday and johnson was on teevee.
What a fucking douche, open borders, lending suport to the BLM terrorist group and continuing the memelike nonsense that blacks are singles out bc of racism.
Fuck johnson, he’s a fucking maroon.
None of this matters, everyone who has decided to support hillary is going to do so, no new email shit will change that. She could decapitate an infant and drink its blood on camera and her #’s would barely budge. G Johnson doesnt matter.
Short of a giant meteor or her health failing and dies she will be the next president.
Book it danno
I agree with you .A vote for this idiot is a vote for Hillary Clinton. This is it.We live as a REPUBLIC ( Trump ) or we die as a so called Democracy.( Clinton)
If this treasonous Bitch is elected our beloved country will be destroyed. There will be ethnic cleansing and genocide as we break apart.I’m in British Columbia ,Canada right now. Good place to be when the SHTF in America.
Gary Johnson is hardly a libertarian as several people have already said. Letting him into the debate would be for one reason only – to siphon votes off of Trump to benefit Hillary. Stein is the same just mirrored onto the Hill-dawg side. I’m sure the press would love to put Johnson in the debates but they’d have to also allow Stein then, which they will not do. 0.00% chance either will see the debate floor.
As for our friend “Portlandia” please enlighten me what BS Hillary is saying? Far as I know she hasn’t held a press conference in forever. If you don’t ever talk you can’t be lying, right?
Harry P, I think you are wrong on that but if she is that is it for America.
That she could eviscerate a baby on camera with no consequences or that she is gonna be prez?
15k more emails and the impact is nearly 0. The battle lines are drawn, this is what happens when possibly the 2 most divisive candidates are whats left.
It comes down to who hasnt made up their mind yet, when thats all said and done there are more immoral people, people who benefit from clinton or people easily manipulated to believe theyll benefit from her in power.
Its not over bc america has already been over, i think it just makes it more obvious.
Harry P. Sadly, you may be right. But I am willing to give it one more shot.
Johnson has stated he’s for the TPP and other ‘trade’ deals….
enough said !
Nothing will change until the violence settles. Until then we are just in a holding pattern, with everyone waiting to see if common sense, decency, and self dependence win out over idiocy, ignorance, and socialism.
I’m not hopeful. At least I’ll get the chance to vent my spleen a bit. I only hope I can keep my family somewhat safe.
Yep, but unfortunately the violence hasnt even started yet.
Learn to fight, keep ur friends and family close, recognize who cant be trusted, be ready to be a leader and stay out of the hot spots.
Ive been in NYC for the week for training and seminar and I can tell you this is one of the last spots id want to be when shit goes sideways (i do think baltimore, detroit etc will be worse).
i was all in libertarian in the 80’s with walter williams a great candidate. realized the alternative opinion to consider for voters not there. of course reagan was on a roll then. johnson is nothing like the old school libertarians. the policy’s were very simple, states rights ruled.
The last 2 elections, as well as this one, are about our National Sovereignty and nothing else. Everything that distracts from this is nothing but bread and circuses. Everything happening with the meltdown in the EU is about the intentional dissolving of national boundaries by collapsing economies and consolidating the ruling class. Make no mistake, this is the emergent NWO, The Beast, dictatorial and brutal, and it’s coming for us. The people really do not matter except to give the election results a veneer of authenticity, and them, enough cover to complete the takeover of the West. What is Trump supposed to do, even if he wins, and I pray he does, without a groundswell of support from people willing to hit the streets in loud support of returning this ship of state to the control of the people? He’s going to need backing. Who is willing to make the required sacrifices, as our founders had, many of them losing everything in the process? The parasites are deeply embedded at all levels of politics, economics, education and business. This all needs to be cleared out…completely. Trump represents a respite in the long march to global governance, nothing more, unless he can gain for himself an army of supporters who will stand by him all the way and cow the cronies into taking the needed action.
The usurpers are too far along in their planning and execution to turn back, and so close to the prize that they will stop at nothing to make it so. It’s a feeding frenzy that may actually contain the seeds of their own demise however. There is so much blood in the water at this point, and they, giddy at the prospect of total domination, so sure of the kill, that they can’t see or understand the accelerating awareness by the soon to be former sheeple. Their corruption, villainy, and complete contempt for the masses is backfiring and on display for everyone to see. The truly unfortunate thing is that, without a breaking of their ranks (which I believe is coming), they will try to blow the whole thing up and hunker down, rather than concede defeat and salvage some level of self respect and perhaps escape with their lives when the New Babble they’ve hoped for comes crashing down, replaced miraculously by the New Jerusalem. I hope the infighting in their ranks starts soon! Too much to hope for? Not as far as I’m concerned. I see evidence of it emerging. We’re witnessing the end of the age and the renewal of beleaguered humanity. Watch for the Riders of Rohan at dawn.
I’m starting to think Gary Johnson is as big a narcissist as Obama. He sure is making a cozy retirement out of securing the Libertarian nomination every four years. What an accomplishment. Reminds me of the old grouch who takes over the local diner and claims “his seat” every day. No one really cares, but in his mind he’s king of his little castle. Johnson doesn’t even know what Libertarians stand for, or rather used to stand for, but since he’s actually held a governorship he’s about all they can gloat about. He basically wants marijuana for all and everything else the Democrats want, but he uses the buzzwords of freedom and liberty as he advocates for your destruction instead of quoting directly from the Communist Manifesto.