Guest Post by Eric Peters
Another canary in the coal mine has just dropped to the bottom of its cage.
A few weeks back, I wrote about evidence that the bubble-ized new car business – “sales” inflated by the same kinds of financial flim-flam that gave us the housing bubble just about ten years ago – is on the verge of popping.
And may have already popped.
Now comes another indicator.
Sales of Chevy’s Camaro muscle car and its two rivals, the Ford Mustang and the Dodge Challenger, have stalled.
Suddenly, too.
As if they just ran out of gas – all three of them – all at once.
This after several years of double digit increases.
Now, the reverse is happening.
Camaro is down an ominous 15.4 percent for the year to date (January to July) despite the current model benefitting from an update that few, if any people could find fault with. The car looks virtually the same as the previous version – which was hugely popular – but is now several hundred pounds lighter and so it’s both quicker and more fuel efficient than it was before. That kind of thing usually increases sales of a muscle car.
It hasn’t.
Same thing over at Ford and Dodge. Both of their muscle cars have been improved recently and neither has lost any of the attributes that made them successful… until now.
So what’s up?
The better question is, what’s down?
How about the financial ability of the middle class buyer (this is the demographic that buys cars like these) to afford them?
Or – perhaps more to the point – their willingness to buy them?
Interest rates are still low; gas is still cheap.
But such things don’t matter when you can’t afford the car itself. Or begin to fear not being able to afford other, more important things – like the monthly mortgage. Or (more coming) your Obamacare premium.
These are not practical cars. They are muscle cars. Largely useless for anything except having fun.
For two people.
While they have back seats, these are technicalities. A Camaro is nearly as unfit to carry passengers in its backseats as a Corvette (which has no back seats at all). The same is true of Mustang and Challenger, though to a somewhat lesser degree regarding the latter because it is a bigger car than either the Chevy or the Ford.
They are all of them just about the worst possible choice for a car that has to get you to work in the winter (rear-wheel-drive and high-performance tires and not much ground clearance being the snow-day equivalent of trying to lose weight on a diet of Super Sized McDonald’s meals) or transport the family. And while their gas mileage is quite good for the power/performance they offer – if you can control your urge to use their power/performance (and in that case, why bother?) they are none of them exactly Prius-like.
Insurance is likely another factor. Buy any of these and the mafia will hit you with premiums probably twice what you’d pay for a Camry (which has back seats fit for people).
Get a couple of tickets for using these cars – and if not, why bother? – and that is a certainty.
But, here’s the thing: All of these costs are optional – like going to Disneyland with your family.
And what is the first thing most families do when they begin to feel uneasy about their finances – and their financial future?
They stop spending money on things they don’t need.
And no one needs a muscle car.
They are indulgences, cars people buy when they feel good about their finances; when there is money to spare on something fun.
Fun is the first casualty of a financial bubble’s popping.
Karl Brauer of Kelly Blue Book – which tracks used car prices and market trends generally – agrees. Cars like Camaro, Mustang and Challenger are “discretionary rather than functional purchases,” he says.
Indeed.
Exactly.
When there is trouble in Detroit – in the economy – sales of such discretionary purchases are the first to wilt. But it likely will not stop there.
And hasn’t. See here.
Even with the life-support of essentially free loans – interest rates low enough such that the “cost of money” is effectively nil – and car loans extended to six years routinely and lately seven or even eight years not uncommonly, people are becoming leery of signing up for $500 a month car payments.
Their financial Spider Sense is tingling, warning them to pare down.
This is smart policy given the at least 50-50 odds that Hillary Clinton will ascend to the Decidership in a few months from now. Because that will mean (among many unpleasant other things) the certainty of Obamacare Forever – and that is going to cost everyone who is still foolish enough to get out of bed in the morning and perform productive work even more of their already diminished dollars. Note that several major families of the insurance mafia have already pulled out of the exchanges, citing costs. What do you suppose Hillary’s solution to this will be?
And a new War is very likely, too. Hillary is champing at the bit for one.
But even if we are spared Hillary and get Trump as the lesser of the two Cthulhus, the economy – macro – has been running on vapors since at least ’08. A leaky balloon kept inflated, kinda sorta, by an unprecedented ad-hoc crew of pump crews.
But that only works for so long.
About ten years, it looks like.
U.S. Auto Sales Peaked In 2015—-August Seen Down 5.2%
by Reuters • August 26, 2016
DETROIT — August U.S. auto sales will be 5.2 percent below a year ago, adding to evidence that the peak of industry sales was in 2015, consultancies J.D. Power and LMC Automotive said on Thursday.
“With mixed economic signals, it certainly looks like U.S. auto sales may have peaked in 2015,” said Jeff Schuster, head of forecasting at LMC. “However, it is important to focus on the sustainable high level of demand. Peak does not mean doom and gloom, and while the industry faces risk, it is not destined for a pullback.”
The consultancies said they expect August U.S. total auto sales of 1,492,700 vehicles, from 1,574,938 a year earlier. Automakers will report sales next Thursday.
Shares in the biggest U.S. auto companies General Motors Co, Ford Motor Co and Fiat Chrysler Automobiles have been pressured because big investors expect sales to slide from their peak.
The dealers around here have been offering leases at LESS than $100 a month. That started before last Christmas.
I just saw an add for GM, offering $59 a month.
The “recovered” car industry was nothing more than off balance sheet government purchases.
Few mention how the Federales have been on a car buying orgy since Cash for Clunkers. Or how they have been flooding cities and states with money for capital purchases. And if my town is an example, that money has gone for cop sports cars, 4wd SUVs and riot gear/m machines.
Hell, we have a Mobile Emergency Response Unit (armored vehicle for our protectors), that is slowly returning to the earth while never being used.
There is NOTHING in this country that is truthful anymore. Nothing.
Lies based on greed and power. Baaaaaaa says the sheep. Please tell us what to do, how to live and most importantly, how much to spend as we are culled.
Indeed. I live in Oak Ridge, TN, and I noticed about a year or two ago that all the new police cars were large SUVs and muscle cars, and quite a number of them, too- all G.M.
i have trouble with the idea that it must always go up
Fools spend when Angels fear to shop.
In my town/small city, there are car sales centers for any make you want to look at or buy/lease. every one of these lots is jammed 3 deep of new cars. how can the sales not be going down when sales are counted as a car leaves the plant and not the lot? there is a dodge lot that is so full of new vehicles that i bet they want to place in a second story parking lot so they can house even more cars and “hemi” trucks.
no one should be surprised at these lower sales numbers.
My workplace is used as an overflow lot for Cadillacs. 3 months ago it was full of Caddies. Now it’s pretty much empty. Perhaps the car type has shifted.
BMW’s also would be my guess. Adjacent to the DMV in Middlesex County, NJ is an ENORMOUS lot filled with literally several hundred BMWs where, according to one of the DMV workers, several BMW dealers store their excess vehicles …. AND, there are TWO additional lots just like it nearby.
Hi Eric. Sorry to hear camaro sales are down to 4969 in June. In the meantime, Tesla sold 5845 cars in June. Must be because they cost four times as much. Go figure.
Your number is complete and utter bullshit. So sorry.
June’s lagging green-car sales actually lagged a little more
US plug-in vehicle sales growth was more moderate than previously estimated.
Danny King
That leap that we thought US plug-in vehicle sales took in June? Turns out, it was more of a short hop now that Tesla Motor released its second-quarter deliveries and we learned they came in lower than expected. Blame “the extreme production ramp in Q2 and the high mix of customer-ordered vehicles still on trucks and ships at the end of the quarter,” Tesla talked about earlier this week.
While the company discloses neither monthly sales nor US-only figures, Tesla said July 3 that it delivered 14,370 vehicles for the quarter, including 9,745 Model S sedans and 4,625 Model X SUVs. That delivery rate was the California-based automaker’s lowest since the third quarter of 2014. Factoring in a 55 percent-to-45 percent US to foreign delivery ratio, we calculate that Tesla’s second-quarter monthly deliveries were about 2,635 units.
As a result, overall US sales of hybrids, diesels, and plug-ins fell 22 percent to about 34,700 units last month, a steeper drop than the 21 percent we previously calculated. More notably, plug-in vehicle sales may have only increased 5.1 percent from a year earlier, down from the 11 percent jump previously estimated. That Chevrolet Bolt electric vehicle debut can’t come soon enough, apparently.
starfcker
Do you work for Tesla? Goddamn, your nonstop shilling for them is an embarrassment even to Mr. Musk.
Here is the one i got June numbers from, 5845. Might be bullshit, but i didn’t make it up. Stucky, no connection to the company, i like the cars, and i like yanking Eric’s chain. Look forward to your Starfck and his Teslateers article. We can file it with the other one, under ‘Wrong’. http://insideevs.com/monthly-plug-in-sales-scorecard/
See the * starfcker????
Worldwide sales. Not US. They are selling just over 2,000 per month in the US. What a juggarnaut.
What are you implying, Jim? That they only need the tax credit that Eric cries about so loudly on one third of their sales?
15 million auto sales annually in the US and Tesla accounts for about 30,000 of them. And that’s with a tax credit for the rich. Musk is a genius. I’m sure Tesla will make a profit any decade or so.
Look, half of my Tesla comments are just to refute Eric’s noise. If the model 3 rolls out the way musk says it can, they will be profitable. We’ll see. I’m going to have a three day a week commute soon, no gas is very interesting. The model s is too expensive for what i want to do, can’t see putting 25,000 miles a year on a $90,000 car. Model 3 might be great, they don’t exist yet, and getting in line behind 400,000 people doesn’t work. But i like the concept. And i think that thing is potentially a gamechanger for transportation. Think chevy sales are down now?
I hear the Model 3 will have an automatic fire extinguisher for when the battery blows up. I can’t wait. That 50 mile range is a game changer. Musk is a crony capitalist huckster. He’s everything you are supposedly against by supporting Trump.
I looked pretty closely, didn’t see anything about an automatic fire extinguisher. Sounds handy, though. https://www.tesla.com/model3
I hear they’re selling like hotcakes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pphr7WyNBWU
Jim. Watch this. Eric needs to see this too. Only 3 minutes long. A five seat Tesla model s sedan, in p-90 configuration, with factory optional software, can do zero to 100 in 3 seconds flat. That’s faster than a formula 1 car. The BMW is on the video, too, but i don’t know the numbers on it.
here’s another one. The Hurrican smokes the Tesla all three times, but not badly. Funny, I recognize the road, that’s US 27 right here in Broward county.
Here, the model 3 exists. Fast as hell with five adult passengers. Tesla is killing it.
A week ago I attended a three hour presentation by a local foundry, CWC, on where the parent company, Textron, expects to find future sales.
Not so good for the “big three” as they see China and India increasing sales to gain on the Japanese car companies. I was bored out of my mind, I didn’t take notes because they all talked incessantly about safety, and safety, and then safety.
But, it’s a real world market, Germany has the largest casting foundry facility while China has the most casting foundry output of any nation.
American foundry’s are down over 50% from just 10 years ago and no sign of stopping the slide let alone increasing that market share. In fact three years ago CWC came very close to shutting down as well.
Thanks to new gas mileage mandates, American companies are scrambling trying to invent lighter weight/stronger cams and crankshafts to help auto manufactures of all nations create a lighter auto to meet the new government requirements.
CWC seems intent on finding foreign auto manufacturers to remain solvent going forward. China, India, Asia more so than American companies, even though they indicated Ford was selling a shit ton of trucks presently, FiatChysler didn’t seem to be a big customer of theirs.
They also expressed great joy in the fact that after two years of development their new auto casting line needs a few more tweaks before it goes online.
The new auto line will reduce required manpower while increasing output and increased quality.
Later at the meet and greet I was asked what my favorite part of the presentation was by the facility manager Pat.
I replied, after Gene got up and said he was going to delve into safety more than the other three did I thought I was going to fall asleep, and then 15 minutes later he said he was losing his voice, I praised the Lord.
Pat laughed because Gene was right behind me when I said it, he was not amused. Good thing I don’t work for Gene….
Speaking of quality, another manufacturer, L3 Comunications, is down to 100 workers in a 900,000 sq foot facility, just five years ago they had 400, in the 1980’s they had 6,000 men working.
They make the engine for the M60 tank used by Egypt and Israel. Along with the engine they used to make the transmission for the Bradley, the gun turret for the M1, and research and development of the Humvee.
They lost all contracts except the engine, no new contracts on the horizon.
It’s a contract year for the UAW, the union leaders have told the remaining workers that if anyone from management asks about quality or output, the union will file a harassment lawsuit.
The union is producing 40% acceptable parts, and 60% scrap, the present contract pays the union worker full pay and benefits to produce X amount of parts, the part does not have to be a quality part.
This is a legacy engine, these shit for brains union workers just don’t understand, when there is no longer a demand for the only engine they produce, no matter what contract is signed, they are done.
Star- I’ll take the Elio for $7,300, a stunning 84 MPG, only have to fork out the money for three tires to buy a new set. Forget Tesla….heh.