Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump’s recent speech on immigration really missed the point. I understand Trump’s frustration over the US government’s inability to control the US borders and keep out those who would come to this country illegally. Trump was right that the media ignore legitimate questions we have on our immigration policy and he is right that special interests have a great interest in maintaining the status quo.
However when it comes to really solving the immigration problem he gets it all wrong. And instead of making us more free and prosperous, his solutions will accelerate our downward slide toward authoritarianism.
Is this really what we want for our own future?
What a wild conspiracy theory, some may claim. The wall would never be meant to keep us from leaving. Well ask the IRS. Under a tax enforcement provision passed in 2015, the US government claimed the right to cancel any American citizen’s passport if Washington claims it is owed money.
Trump also made E-Verify the center of his immigration speech. He said, “We will ensure that E-Verify is used to the fullest extent possible under existing law, and we will work with Congress to strengthen and expand its use across the country.”
While preventing those here illegally from being able to gain employment may appeal to many who would like to protect American jobs, E-Verify is the worst possible solution. It is a police state non-solution, as it would require the rest of us legal American citizens to carry a biometric national ID card connected to a government database to prove that the government allows us to work. A false positive would result in financial disaster for millions of American families, as one would be forced to fight a faceless government bureaucracy to correct the mistake. Want to put TSA in charge of deciding if you are eligible to work?
The battle against illegal immigration is a ploy to gain more control over our lives. We are supposed to be terrified of the hoards of Mexicans streaming into our country and thus grant the government new authority over the rest of us. But in fact a Pew study found that between 2009 and 2014 there was a net loss of 140,000 Mexican immigrants from the United States. Yes, this is a government “solution” in search of a real problem.
How to tackle the real immigration problem? Eliminate incentives for those who would come here to live off the rest of us, and make it easier and more rational for those who wish to come here legally to contribute to our economy. No walls, no government databases, no biometric national ID cards. But not a penny in welfare for immigrants. It’s really that simple.
Ron Paul is full of shit. Especially about E-Verify.
The current law is that employees must provide legal identification – birth certificate, passport, documentation that your are a citizen, or have a green card.
E-Verify checks to make sure you have a valid SS# and it’s not from someone who is dead.
As a software developer, it would be quite easy to extend E-Verify. When employers submit their FICA payments, the info includes the SS# and the $ amount. All you have to do is find the SS#’s that had payments from more than one employer. This could be used as a basis for an audit.
Enjoy your chains Dutchman. Or in this case, your electronic collar.
Ron Paul is absolutely correct. Remove the incentive to come here by eliminating welfare and you immediately eliminate the parasites.
Furthermore, our goal should be to eliminate the IRS not give them moar power. These parasites are worse than child molesters. They are tools of a repressive government used to control your behavior through onerous regulations that favor the well connected and stifle competition.
So, fuck you and your boot licking tendencies.
@Smoke: You don’t know WTF you’re talk about.
“Remove the incentive to come here by eliminating welfare and you immediately eliminate the parasites.” How do you think that’s going to be done? Duh… a system like E-Verify.
You are a fucking Luddite.
E-Verify has nothing to do with the IRS. With a few modifications, E-Verify could be used to track Visas. Foreigners overstaying visas are 40% of the illegal alien problem.
By simply denying illegals jobs, they will leave on their own. The cost of illegals is reported to be $113 billion dollars a year. Welfare to illegals is only a very small part of that.
“E-Verify checks to make sure you have a valid SS# and it’s not from someone who is dead.”
“As a software developer, it would be quite easy to extend E-Verify. When employers submit their FICA payments, the info includes the SS# and the $ amount. All you have to do is find the SS#’s that had payments from more than one employer. This could be used as a basis for an audit.”
The SS# number is your mark that identifies you as a serf on the government plantation. In the begining it was promised that it never be used for identification purposes. My friend is 65 and still has his original SS card that clearly states the same. But what has it become? You can’t engage in any major financial transaction without it. You can’t deal with Banks or the government without that number. You’re nobody without that number and your word is worthless too them. Because of that number you’re tracked and controlled through IRS code and now because of E-verify one must fill out forms seeking government permission to work. I was born and raised in Dallas and resent having to kneel before washington to work in my own country. It’s because of boot licking software developers who assist the government in these endeavors that our chains are growing heavier.
“E-Verify has nothing to do with the IRS. With a few modifications, E-Verify could be used to track Visas. Foreigners overstaying visas are 40% of the illegal alien problem.”
“All you have to do is find the SS#’s that had payments from more than one employer. This could be used as a basis for an audit.”
Nothing to do with the IRS huh? Maybe with just a few software tweeks by you this will be the future.
“By simply denying illegals jobs, they will leave on their own. The cost of illegals is reported to be $113 billion dollars a year. Welfare to illegals is only a very small part of that.”
You can deny illegals jobs by denying the people who don’t posses the proper documentation proving their legal immigration status. But you think the same fucktard Feds who refuse to enforce current law will use E-Verify to begin enforcing the law? You’re a fucking dumbass if you can’t see that the government is only going to use this technology against our own citizens for the purpose of controlling those of us who have had it up to their eyeballs with the ever tyrannical government. Pull off the blinders.
Note that e-verify used to ignore duplicates, so the same SSN# could ‘working’ in 30 towns in 10 states for 200 hours a day. It’d be worth Trump knowing if that had been fixed. Perhaps it has ?
@Pete: “Note that e-verify used to ignore duplicates ”
Well ‘the government’ has done everything to ‘rope a dope’ us citizens. Probably not fixed, but could easily be done, if they had the motivation.
I’m pretty sure I’ve heard Trump say he would cut off all government aid to illegals.
Trump has said that. Cut the welfare to illegals. We need the wall. Not only does it cut off the illegals coming in, it cuts off the heroin. We are losing a generation to drugs and debt. Cut off the drugs, wipe out the debt. Doesn’t matter who approves or not. Has to be done. We need marriages, stable jobs, young families, starter homes. Lots of damage to fix. And Dr Paul, it’s about time to quit with the Trump isn’t fit for the job bullshit. He’s the man who has put himself in the position to start to fix things. Don’t be such an ingrate. Be thankful. He is one of a kind.
@starfker
“Not only does it cut off the illegals coming in…… ”
AHAHHHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA! Did you type that shit in a drug induced coma?
https://www.google.com/search?q=illegal+border+crossing&client=safari&rls=en&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjdjNKjq_vOAhVM82MKHeMvB8UQsAQIHQ&biw=1278&bih=751#imgrc=_
And as for the Heroin:
https://www.google.com/search?q=illegal+drug+tunnels&client=safari&rls=en&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiugdi8rfvOAhWGKGMKHQ4WBJoQ_AUICCgB&biw=1278&bih=751&dpr=2
Troll
A wall and much more is needed to stop the terrorist.
A 30′ wall with broken glass and dog shit on top of it. A good start.
I do a lot of IT automation work in these huge warehouses – the kind you see from the freeway. They are simply big, cement slab, bolted together buildings.
I know Mexico is a chief exporter of cement. All we need is a mobile cement plant (like the ones that they use building freeways). Make the cement slabs right on sight, excavate a trench, and drop them in.
Funny, Dutch, the only wall i have ever seen with broken glass imbedded in the top is the one around Maro Lago, now owned by Trump. When i was in high school, the closest good surfing spot to us was right up the street from that place (the flagpole). It was still owned by Mrs. Post at that time, but we used to look at that broken glass on top of the wall and think wow, that bitch is serious. I don’t know if it’s still there.
Lots of walls in England are topped with broken glass…kept me out when as a kid living in England we used to explore everywhere we could gain access.
Cement walls topped with broken glass – and razor wire, and barbed wire, and… – can be defeated by a 3’x6′ hunk of ratty old shag carpet thrown over it, shag side down.
How do you think we trained to cross such obstacles? First guy runs up with the chunk of carpet and flops down on it on top of the razor wire… everyone else runs across him and thru the wire… last man helps him up and you’re on your way.
It can easily be repurposed to cover a bunch of glass bits…
Come on people! Use that mess between your ears for more than just holding up your hat.
@rhs jr
You mean like Israel’s wall stops terror attacks?
https://www.google.com/search?q=terror+attacks+in+israel&client=safari&rls=en&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjF37DyrfvOAhUM8GMKHbVICHcQ_AUICigD&biw=1278&bih=751
Screw the wall. Close most of our bases across the planet. Put those troops on the border with orders to shoot to kill .
For those who make it here make the crime 5 years in prison breaking rocks,living in a tent eating baloney sandwiches . For the employers they will lose all assets for hiring someone that they knew was here illegally .
Problem solved !
Ron Paul is s fucking moron and coward
To stop immigration. 1)Built a God Damn Fence for starters. Just like Israel is doing to secure it’s country 2. Shut down the immigration buearucy in Washington D.C. 3.Hit companies that hire illegal immigrants with a 10000 dollars per immigrant charge or imprisonment. 4.Stop all visa applications and work cards.5 .Immediately stop all government benefits / welfare / social security for illegal immigrants. 6.*Deport the rest back to south America. This shit can be stopped.
As far as these ‘anchor babies’ – sure they are US Citizens – but if they are minors, and cannot support themselves – they need to go back with their parents. When adults / capable of supporting them selves, then they can come back to this country.
I am not sure that all children born here should be automatic citizens. I seem to remember that the Constitution says that citizenship is for all persons born here “and subject to the laws” of the US. Illegal immigrants have not subjected themselves to the laws of the US and their dependents are not able to enter into a knowing relationship to the law. The only resonable conclusion is that the infant children of people here illegally must share that same status.
It’s not that the US is unable to secure the border, it’s that special interests are unwilling to.
Not mentioned – anchor babies. Cut off all aid to these ‘citizens’ as well and clarify the law to strip these parasites of citizenship.
Also, legal immigration needs to be stopped and voting rights for these people needs to be stripped. They’re not Americans in anything other than a legal sense and have no business destroying our country with their block votes.
22 years in Congress , Exactly what were your accomplishment’s . Ron ‘Pat Paulson”
And what are your accomplishments?
Who says we’re building an 8 foot wall? Try 40-50 feet. As anyone who’s familiar with the Belushi ladder scene in Animal House knows, you’d need a 65 foot ladder to get over a 50 foot wall. Which would weigh 400 pounds. Then you’d need to get down the other side. Anyone who thinks that climbing over a wall five stories high would be easy is a moron. Like Ron fucking Paul. Anyone who thinks we’ll end welfare is also a moron. Like Ron Paul. Anyone who says we should forgo sealing the border until we’ve ended welfare is a moron. Like Ron Paul. Don’t lock your house. You might not be able to get out! What an idiot.
El Chapo will just walk up to the wall with his BATF-provided artillary, utter one word, and laugh as a giant hole appears in the wall.
When your toilet is overflowing, you don’t keep mopping up the mess and trying to ignore the brown stain spreading towards the hallway, you f-ricking CUT OFF THE FLOW FIRST before attempting cleanup. A five year moratorium on any new immigrants coming into the country from anywhere would be a good start.
The cognitive dissonance runs deep…
I thought TBP regulars genuinely understood that the government fucks up EVERYTHING it touches. Yet, as soon as immigration is the topic, you all want to run to the government to “solve” the problem.
Morans.
DRUD, you’re going to be a General someday. Exactly the point I made in my post but some people around here have their heads up rectal defilade.
The great wall of China is just a tourist attraction today as will be ours someday. But in the meantime they’ll be able to prevent the great escape when the velvet glove comes off of the .gov’s iron fist.
DRUD: “I thought TBP regulars genuinely understood that the government fucks up EVERYTHING it touches. Yet, as soon as immigration is the topic, you all want to run to the government to “solve” the problem.”
We want the government to solve the problem? They are the only entity authorized under the constitution to enforce immigration.
Who do you suggest does this enforcement?
The best thing would be never to have started down the welfare path at all. Put resources into legal immigration paths. Cut the incentive for useless eaters to come here before it began.
Now, we only have really bad choices: 1) When the economy of the US collapses utterly, no one will want to come here. Immigration problem solved. 2) Walls and e-verify and whatever else govt. can throw at the problem; give the government money, power and license to track any “threats” and simply trust that this power will never ever ever be abused (like perhaps, cutting off access to other types of “threats”, say people who regularly read “right-wing extremist blogs). Oh, and also, the economy will still collapse.
I prefer one.
@ Dutchman
“Who do you suggest does this enforcement?”
At this point, anybody with the balls and the motivation. But Government has utterly failed but yet people continue to place faith in the system that continually stabs them in the back.
SMFH. I don’t dislike Trump. In fact, I hope he wins so he has a chance to put his mouth where his money is. Maybe i’m just too damn jaded and a perma pessimist, but do you really think one man has the power to change an entrenched system when so much money and power has been directed at the destruction of this country? If so then you have a faith that can move mountains. As for me I’ll believe it when I fooking see it.
Smoke…..just being helpful. The expression is Putting your money where your mouth is. It makes a difference which you put first, money or mouth.
Your forgiven for thinking I did not know this. And I think you’re a swell person for having my back. 🙂
As usual Dutch cuts through the bullshit. No free shit,prison for illegal employers, big wall problem solved. E-verify is part of that. We don’t have to make this harder than it is.
And I’ll tell you how easy E-Verify could work: When the employer submits the FICA payments, we find where the same SS# is used more than once. Then using the employers address zip code we can compute the distance between duplicate filings – anything more than 20? 30? miles apart would be suspect. Then you E-Mail the employer have them verify it’s the same person, otherwise they are out of a job. It would be a $10,000 fine (per person) to knowingly employ an illegal. They will leave on their own.
I had shit ripped off twice from my yard , despite cameras and security lighting on every quadrant of property. Put up a chainlink , strung some concertina across the top, add one badass 120 lb German Shepherd and not one fucking thing missing in 2 yrs. Walls dont work my ass. Go on and peddle ur book Ron. Fuckin sell out just like your son. Whats Frankenbitch gonna save us from Trump? The only thing thats gonna save us is pulling them all out in the street for some fresh air ventilation.
Three blindmice, How big is your wall? 300 Ln. Ft.? Controlling that is easy. Do you think our bureaucratic government will run a several thousand mile wall any better than the Core of Engineers manages levees? Thought so.
The Corps of Engineers has built some great levees. And locks & dams. It’s not the Corp’s fault that New Orleans ignored the obvious danger of being BELOW SEA LEVEL and pissing away all the federal aid they’d gotten on political patronage boondoggles. We built an interstate highway system. We put a man on the fucking moon. We’ve sent satellites out of our solar system that beam back data to us. We can build a fucking wall. Jesus Christ. And even if the cost runs to $20 billion (which it shouldn’t), who fucking cares? The federal government spends more than that in TWO DAYS.
@Iska
Where did I say we couldn’t build a wall? I have no doubt that we could build our version of The Great Wall of China which could be viewed from space by the satellites that we put in space. But that doesn’t address the fact that walls don’t stop a determined foe. Ever.
Go ahead and find me an example where a country with a wall does not also back it up with the treat of death or incarceration for crossing it.
“And even if the cost runs to $20 billion (which it shouldn’t), who fucking cares? The federal government spends more than that in TWO DAYS.”
Yeah. Who cares that posterity (that’s my kids and yours, if we are unfortunate enough that you figured out how to breed) has to continue to live under the yoke of taxation even though we know that debt can never be repaid. I’m sure that our children will enjoy the hamster wheel the government has prepared for them. All with your acquiescence. Fuck ’em right?
Go ahead & back up the wall with all the threats of death & incarceration you want. You’ll get no gripe from me. That’s not an argument against building the wall. $20 billion is chump change. Less than 1/2 of 1% of the annual federal budget. It’s a rounding error. Insignificant. If you want to talk real money, real government waste, just wait until another few million sneak across and start voting.
Iska
“…just wait until another few million sneak across and start voting.”
If weren’t for welfare and politicians willingness to give it to them what difference would their vote make?
Put another way, if they couldn’t legally pick your pocket, who give shit who they vote for.
Eliminate welfare, food stamps, EBT and loans for immigrants and they will move to greener pastures without so much as a shot fired or midnight roundup.
The only ones that will remain are the productive people who work their asses off like the rest of us.
If you want to talk real money, real government waste, just wait until another few million sneak across and start voting.
Heh… chump change.
Want to talk real money?
In all of human history, when a group gets enough guys and guns together, they usually start shooting at the host population in an effort to declare their bit of ground “theirs” and thus independent of whatever host country they are currently mooching off of…
South Americans fight wars among themselves for control of an area/resources.
Spanish show up.
Spanish get enough guys and guns together and take over.
Mexicans put up with this until they get enough guys and guns, then throw out the Spanish.
French show up with enough guys and guns.
Texans show up with enough guys and guns.
Spanish show up with enough guys and guns.
Story is always the same – get enough guys and guns together and make your play.
There’s 35-45 million of them.
How this segues into your comment about real money is: Just wait until we have to rebuild after the fucking WAR this is going to result in…
Niggers aren’t going to like all those Mexican guys with all those guns.
Levees hold back water, fences and walls hold back people. There, fixed it for you. If you dont think a wall or a fence or some type of barrier is necessary for a secure border then why does the rest of the world have them in place? Try crossing the border in Malaysia or Singapore, Or any middle eastern country and see how that kumbaya shit works out for you. Yea, thought so
Levees are government controlled. See Katrina 2005. Your little fence is privately controlled. It’s obvious me you don’t trust the government to protect your property so why do you think government will do the right thing on the border?
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If someone wants your stuff bad enough they’ll get it walls or not. Walls only slow people down. People with guns stop people. If you’re serious about stoping illegal migration then you need a means to stop those who are willing to bypass your walls and you must remove the financial incentives of welfare programs that government so loves to hand out to it’s voting blocks.
There’s no “kumbaya” shit in my tirades. Just the facts.
There’s thousands of pictures of people on the internet already breaching walls we now have in place. Google it. Or I can do it for you.
Smoke: You’re one really confused individual.
Not saying that a wall will stop everyone. But just like thermodynamics – heat flows to cold, so do the illegals from the Turd World country / continent to our south. These creatures don’t understand anything but force.
Secondly, you keep confusing SS# / IRS / big brother with some sort of identification system , a system that verifies citizenship, voter id, etc. The US with 330 million people, how are you going to identify people for good or bad? I know your answer: We shouldn’t do this at all. Well this is not 1776, and that kind of thought is the stupid thought that ‘Liberians’ like Ron Paul spew. That’s why he’s nothing more than marginal.
You’re worried about ‘big brother’ – I will tell you (with authority, as a programmer for 45 years) that Microsoft, Google, Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, on-line merchants, hackers in Belarus, China, apps that mine your iPhone and do a reverse directory on the people you text/call, etc… have completely comprised your privacy – more so than the incompetent US government.
Thirdly, waiting for the US economy to collapse – you better wish it doesn’t happen. It’s crazy talk / thoughts.
@Dutchy
“Secondly, you keep confusing SS# / IRS / big brother with some sort of identification system , a system that verifies citizenship, voter id, etc. The US with 330 million people, how are you going to identify people for good or bad?”
Theres absolutely nothing confusing about that view at all because that is exactly how it works. It’s a feature not a bug.
“You’re worried about ‘big brother’ – I will tell you (with authority, as a programmer for 45 years) that Microsoft, Google, Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, on-line merchants, hackers in Belarus, China, apps that mine your iPhone and do a reverse directory on the people you text/call, etc… have completely comprised your privacy – more so than the incompetent US government.”
I have no doubt that these entities know more about me than government. But I’m more inclined to believe that they are mere data collectors for government.
“The US with 330 million people, how are you going to identify people for good or bad?”
I don’t know how old you are, but I remember a time when only criminals were catalogued, fingerprinted and numbered. Other than SS and DL numbers good people were not treated like that. Today we are all suspect until we prove to bureaucrats that we are who we say we are.
One day you will have to log on to the internet with your biometric data after you have proven to the same bureaucrats that you will be a good little citizen and not speak ill of your masters. After all, it’s just a little software tweak. Isn’t it?
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Ok. That’s a big damn wall. I wonder how deep it goes? Tunnel anyone?
Smoke, you’re dumb as a rock. We gotta start somewhere. This is what we have to work with. Guys like you never get anything done because if it can’t be exactly the way you want, why bother trying. We have women around here with more common sense.
@ starfker
Why. Because I showed you that walls without guns are easily defeated and you cry like a Democrat that we have to do something? Why bother doing something rather than nothing ? Oh I don’t know, because wasting money on shit that doesn’t work to please people that have to do something is well, dumb as a rock.
Well we can do “something”.
“No walls, no government databases, no biometric national ID cards. But not a penny in welfare for immigrants. It’s really that simple.”
Ron Paul
BTW, If I were a woman, I’d be a little pissed at the slight you just dealt them.
If you were a woman? At this point, what difference does it make?
We are supposed to be terrified of the hoards of Mexicans streaming into our country and thus grant the government new authority over the rest of us. But in fact a Pew study found that between 2009 and 2014 there was a net loss of 140,000 Mexican immigrants from the United States.
Really?
Dr. Paul has a medical degree. Which means I assume he can reason from data. And any “study” can be made to say anything you want it to say, based on whatever the people funding the study want it to say…
Rather like how the Bureau of Labor Statistics keeps on saying “X” jobs were added to the economy and unemployment is down… then leaves out that once you go off unemployment, you’re not counted anymore as “unemployed”…
Assuming that Dr. Paul knows this – and if he has the mental chops to earn a medical degree, I have no doubt he does – then that means he is cherry picking his data to support his point and ignoring the rest.
Which I find rather dishonest. Yes, I know most people do that – pick data that supports their position – but to maintain the illusion of objectivity and reason while cherry picking is in fact dishonest…
I’ve heard the same “11 million illegals” number for the last 20 years. Which is bullshit. But, I have yet to hear anyone call bullshit on that. It’s more like 35-45 million.
That’s not migration – it is invasion for the purpose of conquest using demographics as a weapon.
And how do you deal with invasions? One guy invades your house not only to take your shit, but to replace you, you don’t fuck around with mincing words about walls and wire and shovels and shit… you shoot the fucker where he stands.
35 million fuckers invade your country using the fig leaf of “migrants” – as if that’s supposed to make it better – for the sole purpose of taking your shit and replacing you? Simple answer.
But, the simple things are always difficult. We simply do not possess the will to do what we are capable of doing. Can’t even get everyone on the same fucking page in one puny little discussion thread… how are we supposed to get everyone on the same page on a national scale?
If it’s “impossible”, then it’s only due to lack of will… not lack of anything else…
…mine fields seemed to be effective. I haven’t heard anybody talking about those… 🙂
Ron Paul often operates in an academic la la land.
If you are an adult in the Unitied States Illegally , you must be rounded up and deported . If you are a minor child dumped on the American border we care for you educate you find your country of origin and file suit in the world court “The Hague” for financial damages incurred by tax paying Americans for the home countries inhuman act of abandoning a child .
Most likely there is some billon dollar aid program to that country we can cut to cover the cost and come on Catholic Chruch send in the preists and Nuns to manage after all the Chruch has a lay over stop south of the border to help illegals get in with out dying in the desert so rather than fund that try something that may really help !
I am also sick of hearing how good hard working all the illegals are as they allow contractors to pay substandard wages or brag about I get 3 of them working there ass off to what I gotta pay 1 American nice , let’s hope it’s one of your loved ones hurt by that desperate hard worker when he is a little short ! No I know most are good family people but that’s what LEGAL immagration is there for ! Law enforcement is here for the rest and that includes contractors hiring them the fine needs to hurt them most of all !
If you are an adult in the Unitied States Illegally , you must be rounded up and deported . If you are a minor child dumped on the American border we care for you educate you find your country of origin and . . . .
Fuck that, Deport them all. Newborn to ninety nine, pregnant, AIDS infested faggots, wounded, refugees, whatever – not our problem. Send them back. Taking care of the unwanted shit of the world is not our responsibility. I don’t care what happens to them.
If they want help improving their home shithole, fine, maybe we’ll help teach them how to make it suck less, and they can try to implement it on their own.
We don’t want them here.
I find it telling that no one here has actually discussed freedom, only government control. You guys realize that “citizen” is just a euphemism for “government property”, right? This entire problem has been created by government and the only solution is to eliminate government. Dump the authoritarianism and start respecting actual property rights.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/09/22/national-academies-hides-500-billion-immigration-tax/