Footage was released from the dashboard camera of one of the Charlotte-Mecklenburg police vehicles at the scene of the fatal shooting of 43 year old Keith Lamont Scott, in Charlotte, USA.
GOOD KILL OR NOT?
Footage was released from the dashboard camera of one of the Charlotte-Mecklenburg police vehicles at the scene of the fatal shooting of 43 year old Keith Lamont Scott, in Charlotte, USA.
I can’t see a gun in the guys hand, and I didn’t see him raise his hand towards the cops. And while i do believe the number of people who say he had a gun in his hand, it really doesn’t look like he actually pointed it at anyone. As much as I don’t care for most cops, this was a stupid reason to die. He was told countless times to drop the gun. Even if he didn’t have a gun in his hand, he should have dropped whatever the police thought was a gun. He was given an amazing number of chances to get out of this, including rolling a joint in his car that they intended to ignore until the saw the gun in his car. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
The thug, by the way, served 7 years in Texas jail for shooting someone in San Antonio.
This vid – too bad the dashboard cam wasn’t shifted to the left. Can’t tell if Scott had a gun, but he did Not make any aggressive move against the cops.
Watched other footage; 1st pic showed body, face down, legs spread closest to camera and there was no visible gun in an easily visible pic. Other pics (taken later?) showed a handgun by the feet of the cop in the red shirt.
I am not satisfied with the info for a decision.
Looks like a murder to me. In the cell phone footage released by the wife they clearly plant a handgun. Unless that thing comes back registered to him (it won’t be) it would be hard to conclude anything other than some trigger happy yahoos getting into it with a non-compliant victim and then scrambling to cover their poor training/bloodthirst.
I don’t think getting shot by the cops is a good way to end your life and given that cops are awfully careless about shooting it up in the current era (and no, it wasn’t always this way) it seems almost willfully retarded to egg them on when they all have their guns out pointed right at you. Comply and live to fight another day.
Or not, The Narrative needs victims.
Suicide by cop? I remember his wife saying he had a brain injury or something. Maybe he wanted to die? His movements and behaviour seemed to indicate it. And we know nowadays that too many (no not all) LEO’s are happy to oblige in these situations.
Notice that at approximately 1:50 that the officer in the red shirt reaches in his back pocket and pulls out an object that could be a throw away gun and lays it on the ground near where Keith Lamont Scott was laying. If that’s the case that shooting could be considered nothing less than cold blooded murder of an unarmed black man. For a better view use full screen video.
At the 50 sec mark (freeze the video) he gets out of the car and you can very clearly see his right hand. No gun.
At the 52 – 54 sec mark there are two instances where you can clearly see his left hand. No gun.
He’s walking backward from the 55 to 57 mark — did he suddenly produce a gun in those three seconds? — and, while walking backwards, he is shot at the 57 sec mark.
Fucken looks like murder to me.
The video is rather poor, but it doesn’t look that way to me.
He appears to have had his right hand obscured for a moment and then has something in it the next.
I don’t have video editing programs to try to make it clearer so I can’t definitively say one way or the other, just that the video as stands doesn’t seem to be clear enough to be conclusive about it. I can’t say definitively that he does or doesn’t from that angle and quality of video.
The video only shows one fact conclusively. The nigger did everything possible to escalate the situation. He had the black chip on his shoulder and they shot it off. IQ probably had something to do with his behavior. Hostility toward people with guns isn’t very smart.
Yeah, if he had just gotten out of the vehicle with his hands in the air and followed instructions he would not have been shot.
That’s what I’d do and what any reasonable person reading a book in his car would be expected to do.
When multiple cops have guns pointed at you for any reason and tell you to do something, you do what they say or you can expect a bad end to the situation.
“I seriously doubt that the cops would be constantly yelling “Drop the gun” while under public observation and video taping if he (Scott) did not have one in hand.” —–Anonymous
Yeah, Einstein. A copfuk would never cover his own misdeeds! I guess you’ve never seen any footage of copfuks yelling “STOP RESISTING” …. you know, where four fat pig copfucks have the guy on the ground with their knees on his head, neck, and shoulders, and the perp’s arms folded back so far they dislocate …. yeah, cops would never do that. Dumb ass.
I can’t believe I just responded to some “Anonymous” coward.
We saw that a while back; two cops had this black guy face down on the cement pretty much contained and one of the cops shout out something about a gun – next thing you know, the cop or cops shoot and kill the guy.
If you are a bad cop, you know there are people with phone cams, dashboard cams and body cams on cops; you know this and you like to boss others around, especially if you have a gun. To cover your ass, always shout ‘he has a gun’. And, bad cops have the available ‘extra’ gun for a plant.
If you are brain dead, you haven’t learned anything from history or current events – killing is fun for some people. If you haven’t watched ISIS cutting off heads, then you have an opposing opinion that isn’t worth shit.
So you don’t think the people observing it would notice he didn’t have a gun after having it pointed out by Cops yelling for him to drop it?
You should notice they weren’t yelling “Get out of the car” they were yelling “Drop the gun” while in full public view.
How do you explain that there was no book at the scene but a gun with his fingerprints on it was?
And people saw it there and testified to the fact as well?
Not that I’d expect you to understand these questions, or address them with a reasonable answer.
I dunno, I get stopped from time to time and I just do what they tell me and they don’t shoot me too much.
Dindus, on the other hand, are happy to act like complete idiots and seem to catch bullets for it. Youtube is full of videos of blacks acting like complete children when cops stop them. It’s like they don’t connect their moronic behavior with the cops’ reaction.
Here’s Sandra Bland, the chick who died in the jail. She wouldn’t have had to go through all this if she just shut her yap and did what she was told.
You’re kind of an idiot. Some cops are bad and if you must do whatever (WHATEVER) they tell you, what does that make you?
If I understand correctly, the supreme court says you have a right to resist an unlawful arrest. Even if it leads to you having to kill the cop.
WIp, you don’t understand correctly. Let that thought go. It can get you killed. Yes sir, no sir, got it?
I get it but you couldn’t eat the shit out of any of the founding father’s asses. I am thankful for the effort put in by that small angry minority of people who wouldn’t take it any more.
Don’t mistake any of this to mean that I think this shooting was or was not justified. I only commented because I can’t stand when people say you do whatever (WHATEVER!!!) you are told.
I hear you, but self preservation in the name of the people you love is important, too. Pick your battles.
If four cops are pointing guns at you and you’re too fucking stupid to “do as you’re told” then I suggest your principles are going to get your ass shot. Right or wrong you have become target practice and paperwork.
I might be an idiot. I might be a bad patriot for not flexing my rights. But I’m the guy who is sitting unarmed in a car with a cop behind me with his hand on a gun and a radio to call for unlimited backup. And I have my life, career, and freedom on the line. Do you think I’m going to do what I’m told? You better fucking believe it. And when I go to court with a lawyer to grease the wheels of justice for me, I’m going to smile, be respectful to the judge, and say “Yes, Your Honor” and “No, Your Honor.” Because that’s the way it works, right or wrong. You can get yourself shot and be proud of your stupid stand, or you can play by the rules. I’m happy to be kind of an idiot. You can go join your bros in Ferguson and Charlotte.
Oh, and unless the Supreme Court is riding shotgun for me, I don’t think it matters what they say. If you want to shoot it out with the PoPo, go ahead. You’ll have plenty of time waiting 10 years in jail for your case to get up there to the Injustices and see what they think about it in retrospect.
I get it but you didn’t answer the question. What does that make you? Say it…what are you?
Don’t mistake any of this to mean that I think this shooting was or was not justified. I only commented because I can’t stand when people say you do whatever (WHATEVER!!!) you are told.
Tell me again what the 2A is for?
I’ll say it, WIP. What am I? A law abiding citizen, with the common sense to not escalate a trivial situation into something life threatening. I’ve always liked your handle, it makes clear you are on the journey, looking for answers. Big part of that progress, don’t die over something minor. We can’t win every time, dude. Learning to take a hit with the least amount of damage is a critical life skill. Because those hits are coming. Just part of life.
Doing whatever a cop tells you to do is NOT law. Certainly NOT any law this country was founded on for sure. We have 1,000’s of laws that go against freedom. Now the law is whatever (WHATEVER!!!) a cop says it is?
I have had many good experiences with cops. I am glad I have seen the good side of good cops. Yes, they are out there but, damn if it doesn’t take just one bad one to fuck it up for all of them. Sucks.
Btw, I hardly ever divulge what my handle stands for. Thanks for the positive words.
A fucking citizen.
You’re not dead or in jail, I imagine, so you’re full of shit if you think you’re going to come on here and pretend you’re some kind of renegade III%er fucking patriot I-Never-Let-The-System-Win dickbag who never does what he is told.
I bet your vehicle has a license plate on it and you have a driver’s license, pay taxes every April, and you obey all traffic laws when you see a cop on the road. And if you don’t, enjoy your mountaintop tarpaper shack hermitage, because the rest of us have lives to live, careers to follow, and families to feed, which necessitates playing by the rules and when the men with badges and guns come calling, we do what they say so we don’t end up as statistics or on the news with our neighbors saying, “Gosh, he was a nice guy and just very quiet…”
Wip, I’ll tell you what that makes you, an alive citizen. Your statement/question implies that a bad cop is going to make you do something illegal. What? Rob a bank? Shoot someone? What? The most that would normally happen is you get on the ground and get dirty, get beat up, or feel embarrassed. Again, that makes you ALIVE.
You might have a right to resist or kill a cop, but I would think filing a lawsuit after the fact might be a SLIGHTLY less dangerous way to handle it. And, if you killed a cop over it (unless you had a video with several clear, unobstructed angles showing you were completely, lawfully, correct in your actions) and went to court, getting away with it – e.g., winning that in court – would be like hitting the MEGA-millions lottery for $110 million five times in a row. You better be 100 miles from the line between being right and being questionably right.
I’ve had a racked and loaded 12ga stuck in my ribs by an a-hole cop – for nothing. I didn’t think trying to take that from him and making a citizen’s arrest was a good idea at the time.
Ok, I understand what the 3-4 respondents are saying and I apologize for any insults.
What got me all riled up was the phrase…”do whatever you’re told…”. Ok, live to fight another day. Take them to court. Come on, court? A respondent even told me fat chance. Best to know your rights and do the best you can to flex them, no?
I have been on both sides of right and wrong with the police and I have actually been treated quite respectfully. I will always do my part in being respectful. It makes good sense and I am not a suicidal maniac.
I simply reminded a poster about what the supreme court said. I also asked the same poster why he thinks we have the 2A. The law is not whatever the police say it is. We have seen police lie, frame and even commit their own criminal acts. Did you ever hear of the guy who got a broomstick shoved up his ass by the police in a DC jail? I wonder if they demanded he bend over.
So, to recap…I am not Rambo and I never said I was going to muscle up and do whatever. I never even suggested breaking any laws. I simply asked you to answer a question. I’ll ask it again.
If you have to do whatever you’re told to do by another person, what are you?
The only people saying he had a gun were the police. The only people saying that the dead man’s fingerprints are on the gun are the police. Considering the record here, why should the police be believed?
They don’t have tasers? Pepper spray? Some cops left and came back…They don’t have dogs? Or tear gas? They don’t have negotiators? The idea that lethal force is used so casually is, and should be, frightening…
Don’t be an idiot, witnesses are saying he had a gun and if you’re so stupid as to think a taser or tear gas is proper defense against a gun -as anti gunners usually are- you deserve to get killed when someone with a gun attacks you and you try your Taser in defense.
There even happens to be a witness photo of a gun at the scene, and you can bet your stupid little ass that that those fingerprints will end up being confirmed by multiple sources including the pro black Justice Department and FBI labs.
http://ijr.com/2016/09/697913-witnesses-confirm-charlotte-police-chiefs-claim-keith-lamont-scott-was-armed-with-gun-not-book/
Watch the wife’s video-you can see the gun next to the dead guy at 2.02 in. I linked it below.
C’mon. The cops were just doing their civic duty by reducing the tax burden of the productive class.
The welfare rolls were reduced by one and potentially more. Win win no? /sarc
Anyone who tells you whether or not he had a gun from any of the videos is deluding themselves-affirmative or not. The quality is simply too poor to make this determination. Lacking any other evidence, I will accept that the gun found at the scene was indeed his.
Now, from the video, it doesn’t look like he raised either of his hands in an attempt to shoot anyone, but if he did have a gun and refused the many orders to drop it, I don’t think it really matters whether he raised to shot or not.
Yeah, no one from the NYT to the Scott family lawyers will say the video is definitive about a gun one way or the other.
But there is nothing in either of the video’s I’ve seen that in any contradicts or calls into question anything in the police account of it to the point of saying it was absolutely not true.
The police have the gun, the ankle holster taken off of Scott he used to carry it and a marijuana “Blunt” the officers saw him rolling when he raised the gun in his hand (probably to scare the plain clothes officers off, IMO) before the went back to their vehicle and put identifying vests on before confronting him.
There was no book found, and the Wife claiming he was reading one doesn’t seem to have any support for their being one available for him to read or how she would know that he had it with him since she wasn’t in the vehicle with him (what was that “Keith, don’t you do it” she yelled at Scott about? reading the book maybe? it doesn’t fit with her account of the incident if it had been a book involved and not an armed man.).
Some people seem unwilling to recognize this, but if you form a conspiracy theory first then look for evidence of it you can always make something fit it if you try hard enough.
Confirmation Bias.
If you see the foul-mouthed wife’s cellphone video, you can clearly see the gun next to the body at 2:02. http://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000004667027/video-keith-scott-police-shooting-charlotte.html
Interestingly, the wife also claims he has TBI, which I assume in the black community probably also means Traumatic Brain Injury. I don’t know what might have caused it, but Scott also appeared to be into the recreational pharmaceuticals, namely da weeeeeed.
Open carry is legal in NC, or it was the last time I checked, buuuut he was black, so the cops had a clear reason to shoot him on sight and then decapitate the body, just to be certain he was no longer a threat. Also- note the wife stirred this controversy lying that Scott was carrying a book, not a gun.
The mystery here to me is why blacks act so strangely when they confront the police. When I encounter a cop, I tend to do what he tells me to do so I don’t ratchet up the tension any more than necessary. I also turn on my I’m-just-another-dorky-Clark Griswold-citizen vibe. (It’s the same dorky vibe that helps me breeze through customs and security checkpoints.) I don’t know if it helps me at all vis-a-vis getting a ticket, but I put my hands on the wheel or even on the window, maybe turn on the dome light if it’s dark, and I don’t make sudden moves. Last time I was stopped, I got a warning. Maybe my method works? What I don’t think works is the angry, aggressive, unpredictable hoodlum approach many of the blacks seem to use. Chris Rock even did a training video to help educate blacks, How Not To Get Your Ass Kicked By The Police.
For more on the conspiracy to kill blacks, reference Southpark “Meet the Jeffersons”:
When I see “nigger”, “thug”, whatever …. I pretty much discount that person’s opinion about the gun. Because, agenda.
Of course, you certainly can say the exact same thing about ME … and my use of the beautiful word “copfuk”. That might be an agenda also. Except that I generally dislike copfuks and kneegrows equally. So, no agenda.
I find it abso-fuckin-hilarious that there are folks here who believe the cops! . Ohmigod, I bet they also believe BLS economic reports. Cops lie. Whenever necessary. End of story.
I don’t give a shit what happened before or after. In context of this thread I’m going only by the relevant 9 seconds or so of action. OK, some don’t see a gun cuz the video isn’t of good quality. I think that’s just an excuse. Or, maybe you need glasses. If he does have a gun, it must be the smallest gun in the world.
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Both the perp and copfuks fucked up.
Perp: I agree with the folks above … the perp was a stoopid dik. When he got out of the car and if he STAYED there and with HANDS UP … I’m pretty sure he’d be alive today. But, he had to go all nigtude (nigger attitude), and it cost him his life. Too bad.
Copfuks: Copfuks are trained; 1) that THEIR lives matter more than anyone else’s and, 2) shoot to kill whenever they’re scurred. With that outrageously disgusting combo, it’s a wonder more people aren’t killed. Many countries in the world train cops to use lethal force as a last resort, not the first option. Last resort is the correct option.
The guy was walking slowly BACKWARDS! And I’m supposed to believe that with all those copfuks at the scene, with all those guns and bullets, and hiding behind cars that they couldn’t disable him by shooting out his kneecaps or legs?? You people who defend the “right” of copfuks to use lethal force regardless of the situation just make me sick to my fucken stomach.
Which police department trains people to make “disabling shots?” Every single self defense trainer in the world trains you to shoot to kill.
The cops probably could have used less-lethal means. The presence of a gun is not automatically a threat, but the “book” story is bullshit. The guy had a gun and you can see it in the wife’s video.
Hell, cops are bad enough shots as it is. Do you want them trying to hit targets even smaller than the center of mass they’re supposed to be able to hit? The entire neighborhood would look like swiss cheese.
GilbertS,
thats incorrect. Most LEOs aren’t taught shoot to kill. Its called ‘shoot to stop’. As in you shoot until the threat is eliminated, because they are dead or disabled. You are shooting for center mass. Yes, that typically kills people, and this is mostly semantics, but its an important legal distinction.
Shoot to stop is a nice term for shoot to kill. It’s just one more euphamism for our snowflake society. Every self defense trainer is teaching you Shoot to Kill. THAT is what stops the threat. Calling it by another name doesn’t change what it is. It’s a legal fiction to cover your ass. Everyone knows it’s Shoot to Kill. Next time you’re loading your pistol with TAP rounds or G2 Trauma or other manstoppers, tell yourself it’s merely to stop the threat.
All good shooting instructor’s preach “Center Mass”
Stucky. I generally don’t argue with you about cops. Not my issue. You are entitled to your opinion. No problem. Complete respect from me. That being said, do you know anything about guns? The cops were hiding behind the next car over, because they know the threat of dying is real. That dindu had done time for shooting someone. That dindu had SHOT AT COPS before. Kneecap him? Are you serious? How would that neutralize the threat of the gun he was holding? Every modern cop car has a device called a plate reader. In real time, it provides all criminal information about the owner of the vehicle, without the cop lifting a finger or uttering a single word. They knew they were confronting a felon with a gun, who not only had a violent history, but a history of violent behavior towards cops. I don’t need the video to be perfect. What if there were no video? Case closed. Good shoot.
Just gonna throw this out there: who’s to say this isn’t a staged “shooting”; a false flag? Lord knows, it would serve many an agenda, and the nooz media ALWAYS tells the truth, right?
The whole thing generally doesn’t seem just right to me. Specifically, that the cops let Scott lie in the road, obviously still alive, and didn’t try to render medical aid, the wife’s odd video, and the whole way the Charlotte PD released information and video while the city burned .
Teri, there is no first aid you can render for a bullet wound to the upper torso. Heart or lungs, he’s bleeding out, internally. Gotta open him up
This part might fit:
“The police have the gun, the ankle holster taken off of Scott he used to carry it and a marijuana “Blunt” the officers saw him rolling when he raised the gun in his hand (probably to scare the plain clothes officers off, IMO) before the went back to their vehicle and put identifying vests on before confronting him.” (Mr. Anon. 1:00 pm) Black speak for don’t mess with me. Yet they were
cops, and the gun waving isn’t allowed.
If he was holding a small ankle holster gun in his hand? So what? He wasn’t
aiming a .357 magnum at them. He was probably stoned and thus couldn’t
react appropriately. That said, cops shoot to kill, multiple shots, if they even
imagine you have a gun. He may have been on probation, parole…and just panicked.
And the cops panicked also. Shite behavior all around.
Suzanna,
Most people are killed with.22 caliber handguns. I have one I can carry in my back pocket and no one has yet to notice. The smaller caliber makes them very lethal as the bullet tends to tumble when striking it’s target. Small guns are no less dangerous than larger ones.
Maybe less intimidating to those who don’t understand ballistics, but deadly nonetheless.
“That being said, do you know anything about guns?” — starfcker the deplorable
— I killed a lot of squirrels with my bb GUN. I hope that counts.
— In high school, I fired about a dozen shots … on one occasion … with my friend’s .45
— In the USAF I shot 100 M-16 rounds … ten different positions … @ 100 yards. I believe I hit 94 or 95 out of 100. Not too shabby for a fucken amateur.
And that’s pretty much the extent of it. I suppose my answer should be “no”.
But, hell and #fuckmedead !!! …. not knowing about something never stopped me from giving an opinion before! Why start now! 🙂
OK, looks like I’m not gonna convince you copfuk cock-gobblers … especially since I just admitted I’m a gun dumb-ass.
Fine. Have it your way. COPS MUST SHOOT TO KILL!!! At all times. No matter what. Their lives matter.
Fucken happy now???
Copfuck cop gobblers? Dude, that’s rough. I would hate to be a cop dealing with blacks. It’s a no win situation. Notice the four white cops didn’t shoot him, only the brother. Suzanna, you’re nuts, “it was only a little gun.” It’s a gun. And in the hands of someone proven to use it, like mr. Scott, a real danger to all present.
“Throw down” city to get rid of a thug. Not a good thing. World is probably better off. Ain’t it bitch.
Muck