Ford Q3 profit down 53 percent

Guest Post by Eric Peters
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This is yuge – and not good, either.

Ford just released its Q3 earnings and while the company is still making money, it is making a lot less money. Pre-tax net earnings are down to $1.4 billion, which sounds solid until you compare them with the previous quarter’s pre-tax net earnings, which were $3 billion.

See here.

In plain terms, Ford earned less than half during the third quarter what it earned the previous quarter.

I wrote a few weeks ago (here) about the canary in the coal mine.

Hear that?

He just hit the bottom of the cage, feet up.

There are other indicators, too.

Such as the industry-wide rush to “ride sharing” … which indicates that the industry sees an Event Horizon up ahead. The rim of a financial black hole for them – and us – based on the now-100-year-old model of people for the most part buying a car.ford-sign

Which – for two reasons – has become less affordable and so less appealing to more and more people, but particularly 20-something Millennials. Who do not have the love for cars that earlier generations had. Who see them as a necessary nuisance at best.

One that’s better rented when necessary.

Part of this being a function of the now-absurd cost of buying.

Sure, monthly payments are kinda-sorta manageable. The trouble is they never end. Six years, seven – eight? – of paying $300 a month gets old.

Especially once the car itself is. Nothing like paying $300 a month on a seven-year-old beater with 100,000 miles that’s starting to cost money for repairs you probably can’t do yourself.

Renting a perpetually new car – a different car to suit any occasion – seems much more appealing.

It is without question more affordable.

Less hassle, too. uncle-pic

When you rent, you don’t have to pay property taxes – because you are not the owner of the thing. Maintenance isn’t your responsibility, either. Insurance? It’s a rental. Folded into the cost of the rental – which is only for as long as you need the thing. If you own a car, you are paying insurance all the time – or at least, as long as you own the thing.

The government – through its cost-no-object regulatory confetti machine – is chiefly to blame for the high cost of new cars, but “consumers” – a loathsome term, like “human resources” – haven’t helped. They have bought into the same cost-no-object paradigm via the cost-hiding regime of debt financing.

And the rest of us (who try to live within or even below our means) are carried along by this financial rip tide.

Large numbers of people want – but most can’t really afford – huge flatscreens, heated leather seats, panorama sunroofs, gnomesayin’ 20-inch wheels and tires, the works.

So they finance them.

Which the system obliges with near zero interest and long-haul payment plans. But ultimately, someone has to pay for all this stuff.

The well is beginning to run dry.ford-f-150-pic

As a known car journalist, I get lots of mail from lots of people. Ford might be interested in some of this correspondence.

Long-time truck people are skeeved out by the new F-150 pick-up, with its expensive to fix (and relatively fragile) aluminum body. And its tiny (for a big truck) turbocharged six cylinder engines.

These examples of centrifugal bumble-puppy exist solely and only because of the anvil-over-their-heads threat of federal regulation. Especially (but not exclusively) federal fuel economy (CAFE) regulations.

Pathetically, the F-150’s mileage is only just barely better than steel-bodied/V8-powered pick-ups.

Nonetheless, the idiocy is certain to wax rather than wane unless there is either divine intervention or – possibly a bit more likely – a revolt by buyers, expressed by their opting out.

Ford’s just released Q3 report suggests this is happening in a very big way.canary-2

Maybe it’s the pending (s)election and the impending sense of doom that’s prompting people to hold onto their wallets.

Regardless, the fact remains: People – lots of them – are just saying no.

The canary has croaked.

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TPC
TPC
October 27, 2016 1:45 pm

Forced obsolescence has gutted my faith in American companies.

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
October 27, 2016 1:53 pm

Ford didn’t get Obama/Bush bailout money. If any American car company thrives, I hope it’s Ford.

Dutchman
Dutchman
October 27, 2016 2:14 pm

I saw a Cadillac commercial, I think it was a CT6. The fine print on the bottom of the screen said: Vehicle as shown $87,000.

Holy shit – for a glorified Chevy. My guess is than in 5 years it will be worth about $30,000.

I know a guy who bought a 7 year old Porsche Cayenne ( 75,000 miles) for $20,000. Original price, over $80,000.

Credit
Credit
October 27, 2016 2:16 pm

add the move to self-driving Fords and you’ve got a disaster in Dearborn.

Stucky
Stucky
  Credit
October 27, 2016 3:24 pm

Actually, Ford has developed several self driving cars. Only problem is that once you start the car it always drives to the nearest mechanic.

Alter Boyz
Alter Boyz
October 27, 2016 2:25 pm

Good, Great !

I look forward to the day they have no profits and begin to lose money.

Go Ahead Ford, build your Mexican factories, fire Americans and hire mexicans. Look how that’s worked out for Michigan and America.

Ford has gotten my last dollar. We were a ‘Ford Family” forever.
Support America, Period.

Fuck YOU Ford. Boycott Ford & Lincoln.

Big Rich
Big Rich
October 27, 2016 2:48 pm

Using yuge instead of huge destroys any intellectual credibility you might have had by being posted at TBP. Yuge was what teenagers, drooling idiots and homos say. Don’t be a drooling, idiotic teenage homo.

FFS

Stucky
Stucky
October 27, 2016 3:06 pm

It’s not a canary.

Back in the ’70s the Big 3 auto companies were directly/indirectly responsible for about 1 in 8 jobs … or, some ridiculously similar number. THAT was a canary (and why Chrysler was bailed out for a then ridiculously high billion bucks or so). Today? Pffft. Sure, it might hurt if Ford flops dead … probably the Mexicans more than us … but, it’s manageable.

Also, EP didn’t mention that while profits are down, Ford is making it up in volume.

starfcker the deplorable
starfcker the deplorable
  Stucky
October 27, 2016 7:12 pm

It matters not if profits are up or down. If the company is profitable, it will be fine. The new CEO is a scumbag. He won’t last long in the new post election environment

General
General
October 27, 2016 8:44 pm

The issue is that not only profits are down, but that volume is going to crash soon too, for multiple reasons.

If I had the money, I would short the car manufacturers, such as Ford.

DFCtomm
DFCtomm
October 28, 2016 5:22 am

Have you seen what their asking for an explorer? The damn things use to be ubiquitous with the middle class, but now they’ve priced them out of their range. Chevy is wanting 50k for a Colorado. A fucking Colorado.

yahsure
yahsure
October 29, 2016 2:44 pm

Pickup trucks start at around thirty grand! Wages for the average person have not changed much in years. Ship jobs overseas than expect people to buy this stuff with minimum wage jobs.