Mesomorph QOTD: Dark Energy

This may be an oversimplification but as I understand it, the galaxies that we can observe throughout the universe are unsurprisingly moving away from the location of the big bang. Not only are they moving but accelerating as they go. This acceleration caused astronomers and astrophysicists to invent something called dark energy in order to account for the acceleration. They believe that this energy is spread throughout the universe and that it is causing the acceleration . Apparently there is no actual evidence of dark energy and it remains just a theory.


I came up with an alternative theory about ten years ago and since I have still never heard anyone question or come up with an alternative to dark energy, I figured I would put it out there for the Shit Throwing Monkeys here at The Burning Platform to disprove my theory. By the way, if you think the earth is flat you are already disqualified.

I propose that the galaxies we observe are accelerating towards the walls of the vessel that contains the universe rather than accelerating  because of dark energy. The container that holds the universe has mass and the gravity of that mass is pulling the contents strongly enough that everything is accelerating towards it.

I know it sounds preposterous at first. Impossible even. But so does endless space when you really think about it. Get over the scope of it and please help me understand where I am wrong in as simple of terms as possible since I am not in the astronomy business.

Are there any laws or observations made that disprove Mesomorph’s Theory of Universal Expansion?

 

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BL
BL

The universe is a hologram expanding or not. What difference does it make?
Dark energy is a force at work in Chicago every Saturday night that expands the deathrate.

cz
cz

Disqualifying alternative theories to your theory disqualifies your question.
Be scientific or hang it up.

https://youtu.be/9xJKmKj3Vtk

TheDeplorableOldeVirginian
TheDeplorableOldeVirginian

D.G. Tyson’s equation explains it all

MF = STFU
or, in plain english,
Acceleration of universe is
all the Mass times all the Force =
all the Space times all the Time
times all the Force times all the Universe

Which of course simplifies down to
FU

TheDeplorableOldeVirginian
TheDeplorableOldeVirginian

It also stands to reason if Light moves at the speed of light, then Dark Energy must move at the speed of Dark. No wonder everything’s trying to get the hell away from it ASAP — the universe is scared of the dark.

Miles Long
Miles Long

You racist bastard. ;-D

kokoda - the most deplorable
kokoda - the most deplorable

Not to disprove anything, but I would appreciate a glimmer of scientific evidence that the universe is contained within a vessel and if so, what attracts the contents of the universe to the walls of the vessel.

Your theory seems like GloBull Warming – you can probably determine some anecdotal evidence, and smother it with hyperbole (the earth will crash into the wall of the vessel and we will all die unless you send $$$$), but don’t tell the people it means BS cuz correlation does Not equal causation.

Are you looking for a Gov’t Grant?

Dave
Dave

The wall is real and the contents of the universe are hurtling towards that wall. They have been flung by a giant fucking democrat hoping that something will stick.

hardscrabble farmer

You still believe in gravity?

Wow. Just wow.

(and nobody disqualifies me pre-emptively)

BL
BL
pyrrhus
pyrrhus

Gravity is racist…

mark branham
mark branham

Assuming this was actually a serious question(always a risk here) the definitive(though not easily understood) answer is:

12:4.12 (134.1) The present relationship of your sun and its associated planets, while disclosing many relative and absolute motions in space, tends to convey the impression to astronomic observers that you are comparatively stationary in space, and that the surrounding starry clusters and streams are engaged in outward flight at ever-increasing velocities as your calculations proceed outward in space. But such is not the case. You fail to recognize the present outward and uniform expansion of the physical creations of all pervaded space. Your own local creation (Nebadon) participates in this movement of universal outward expansion. The entire seven superuniverses participate in the two-billion-year cycles of space respiration along with the outer regions of the master universe.

12:4.13 (134.2) When the universes expand and contract, the material masses in pervaded space alternately move against and with the pull of Paradise gravity. The work that is done in moving the material energy mass of creation is space work but not power-energy work.

12:4.14 (134.3) Although your spectroscopic estimations of astronomic velocities are fairly reliable when applied to the starry realms belonging to your superuniverse and its associate superuniverses, such reckonings with reference to the realms of outer space are wholly unreliable. Spectral lines are displaced from the normal towards the violet by an approaching star; likewise these lines are displaced towards the red by a receding star. Many influences interpose to make it appear that the recessional velocity of the external universes increases at the rate of more than one hundred miles a second for every million light-years increase in distance. By this method of reckoning, subsequent to the perfection of more powerful telescopes, it will appear that these far-distant systems are in flight from this part of the universe at the unbelievable rate of more than thirty thousand miles a second. But this apparent speed of recession is not real; it results from numerous factors of error embracing angles of observation and other time-space distortions.

12:4.15 (134.4) But the greatest of all such distortions arises because the vast universes, of outer space, in the realms next to the domains of the seven superuniverses, seem to be revolving in a direction opposite to that of the grand universe. That is, these myriads of nebulae and their accompanying suns and spheres are at the present time revolving clockwise about the central creation. The seven superuniverses revolve about Paradise in a counterclockwise direction. It appears that the second outer universe of galaxies, like the seven superuniverses, revolves counterclockwise about Paradise. And the astronomic observers of Uversa think they detect evidence of revolutionary movements in a third outer belt of far-distant space which are beginning to exhibit directional tendencies of a clockwise nature. *

12:4.16 (134.5) It is probable that these alternate directions of successive space processions of the universes have something to do with the intramaster universe gravity technique of the Universal Absolute, which consists of a co-ordination of forces and an equalization of space tensions. Motion as well as space is a complement or equilibrant of gravity. *

The quote above is from paper 12 of The Urantia Book titled “The Universe of Universes”

BL
BL

Mark B
(Theme from Star Trek playing)

Space….something between your ears…..The final frontier.

Star Trek probably had more truth within than that book. It’s all just a shit show for your entertainment.

MN Steel
MN Steel

Look at all the big brains here!

If your theory is taken correctly, the center of the universe is occupied by Jew-run Niggers, and all the galaxies and sundry material are actually white.

Observable proof?

Detroit, Baltimore, Atlanta, London, Paris….

Hollywood Rob

No Mark. Just no. And no to the article although it is fun to speculate. The concept of an expanding universe is not one of everything moving away from us cause we have BO. It is actually that everything is moving away from everything because the fabric of space is what is expanding. This is based on Hubble’s observation that the further a galaxy is away from us the more red shifted is the light. But the speed of light, and therefore the wavelength of that light is a constant in all frames of reference so the doppler effect noted above can not apply. It is not that a galaxy moving away from us produces a lower frequency. It is, rather, that the frequency is lower because space got bigger while the light traveled to us. This was then massaged by some catholic priest in the vatican into the very simplistic concept of “well if everything is moving away from us it must mean that it all started in one place…the big bang.” All of this is silly of course but not even close to as silly as the universe being in a big bottle. In fact, if Douglas Adams is to be believed, it would more likely be a big bong.

The most likely answer lies in an infinite universe. The red shift is caused by some other phenomenon (say the effects of the many gravitational fields that the light travels through) than expansion and while everything is indeed moving around, it most certainly isn’t expanding. Many cosmologists will secretly concede that the universe could be infinite. They just have to stick with the conventional wisdom to maintain their funding and their cushy jobs at the liberal universities. I personally hang this bullshit around the neck of the idiots like Bill Nye and Niel Degrass Tyson of fried chicken fame. These wannabe scientists have convinced the droolers that they have all the answers but they don’t understand a single thing that they talk about. You have to keep in mind that science is not about answers. It is about the evolution of answers from today’s best knowledge to tomorrow’s best knowledge. A thousand years ago most folks thought that the earth was flat. Some still do. But most of us have evolved beyond the concept of a flat earth the last nail in the coffin of that old rubric as of course the actual pictures from space. But we have not gotten to the point where we can take pictures of an infinite universe so that bridge is yet to be crossed.

I lay the blame for all of this at the ruminations of a race of relatively hairless apes who just happen to have ten fingers and have not managed to move beyond counting with those fingers. Infinity has no meaning in physics just as math has no meaning in the physical universe.

TampaRed
TampaRed

i thought it got settled on yesterday’s thread that we never went to space and stanley rubikscube just faked those pics showing the curvature of the earth,kinda like a big girl in a tight girdle–

EL Coyote
EL Coyote

Wow, a 50 year mystery settled overnight on TBP. Where’s the media on this?

TampaRed
TampaRed

where’s the media-out chasing fake news and ignoring the truff–

EL Coyote
EL Coyote

“Infinity has no meaning in physics just as math has no meaning in the physical universe.”

Tell that to the scientists who use math to understand the physical world.
Without the concept of infinity, we could not imagine or conceive of god, because a god that is limited is not a god; president maybe, but not a god.

Further, without a god, science has no purpose, its investigations are then merely research.

DurangoDan
DurangoDan

Meso, your theory is not an alternative to dark energy. Dark energy is just a sexy description of the all pervasive vibrations that herd matter into agglomerations in accordance with the inverse square law. When you half the distance between bits of matter, the resultant force from the shadow of the vibration between their masses is doubled. The resultant force is what we know as gravity. It’s actually a positive propulsive force, not a negative attractive force. Your container vessel wall theory certainly fits within the realm of possibility. This doesn’t rule out flat earth, holographic moon or programmed VR as to our existence within this system. All I know for certain is that I don’t know shit. All is possible with the exception of AGW and government doing good.

Anonymous
Anonymous

We assume we can perceive everything that exists, that our brain and perceptions are capable of ultimate knowledge.

We also seem to assume our assumption is correct.

You know what they say about assumptions, that which they do to both you and me.

Nobody
Nobody

In a Steven Seagal movie put it best.
Assumption is the mother of all fuckups.

Walt
Walt
Brian
Brian

Here is a simple experiment you can do, to demonstrate the “power” of gravity.
Get a magnet, place it on a wood table and then lift it.
Now place the magnet on a horizontal steel surface and now lift it.

Which one required more force to lift it?
Now if you could apply electricity to the magnet stuck to the steel surface would it take more or less force to lift it off the steel?

Gravity is a weak force, magnetism and electromagnetism are orders of magnitude much stronger forces.

Mainstream science makes up shit like dark energy and black holes to explain phenomenon they don’t understand because they refuse to see what’s right in front of them. Electricity…..

Instead of blathering on…I”ll leave you with an expert in this field.

RT Rider
RT Rider

Like climate models, which are faulty and can’t predict fuck all, they make up shit to plug the holes in their theory and call anyone who disagrees, a moron.

overthecliff
overthecliff

This is important because?

Jimmy
Jimmy

I’ll agree with Brian: electrical/magnetic properties in the universe probably account for many of the unexplained forces by mainstream cosmologists. The electric universe theory is quite interesting!

IndenturedServant

I’m no scientist but I think step one would be to prove that this “vessel” exists. Step two would be to quantify it. Step three would be to determine if the gravitational attraction accurately corresponds to the acceleration of the galaxies……….easy peasy!

Da Perfessor
Da Perfessor

@Mesomorph –

A bit late to the party, I am. Just a couple of things….

Neither “dark matter” nor “dark energy” are (in your words) “theory”. They are, singly and each, a hypothesis. A hypothesis which stands up to repeated experimental testing CAN become a theory – rich in detail, well accepted and susceptible to overthrow at any moment. That is just the way that “science” was practiced back when the earth was cooling and dinosaurs like me roamed laboratories. So, no, these concepts are just “plug” ideas for gaping holes in the cosmological models currently extant.

Now, as to YOUR hypothesis, overthrow this…

1) It actually carries a pre-condition that the universe’s boundary is “fixed”. If it is not, where does the extra matter for the boundary wall come from in a continuously expanding universe? BTW, the converse of a Universe reducing in size would be resulting in an increase in universal heat – a simple idea, easily measured and yet not consistent with current data. Let us move on…

2) Under any base case that you would suggest, the mass of the “boundary wall” would need to be at significant equivalence, if not exceeding, to the mass of the the bodies contained within. Otherwise, the math does not explain the acceleration.

Also, I do not diss your coming up with a different way of looking at things – I’m great with that. Just providing a bit more to help you refine your thoughts, or discard them and start over as you wish. However, just as I was used to telling my students and assistants back when I was “doing chemistry”, try to remember – “Just as a map is not the territory, the theoretical model is not reality…no matter how useful.”

Just my $ 0.02.

Da P

Hollywood Rob

I agree with many of Mr Thornbill’s contentions…but the electronic explanation of the inter-connectiveness of all things is a step way too far for me. He tries to make a religion out of his interpretation of how the universe works. “We are all one in the great aether.” Nah, but I do like that he points out that much of the Niel DeG ass Tyson explanation is blather.

mark branham
mark branham

2000 years ago Michael appeared as the infant Jesus. The previous epochal revelation occurred 2000 years prior, the appearance of Melchizedek. Now we have the Urantia Book, published in 1955. That’s 3 epochal revelations within the last 4000 years. Comments above about the book make clear that it is indeed an emergency revelation.

Unlimitless
Unlimitless

Interesting inquiry, Meso.

I am no physicist, and I may be just be an old blogger and know nothing more than lighter-than-air craft, but from my layman’s perpective, I have been fascinated by the fabric of spacetime (beginning at the 6:56 mark, he demonstrates dark energy – not sure how this fits into your theory?):

Psalm 104:2
Psalm 104:2

“The LORD wraps himself in light as with a garment; he stretches out the heavens like a tent.”

Dr. James Sempsey
Dr. James Sempsey

Here is my alternative hypothesis that I have held for over 25 years.

Imagine that, at the center of the universe, is a super massive black hole. Everything in the universe is accelerating toward that black hole (like water circling a drain). The closer an object is to the black hole, the faster it accelerates. How would this appear to the inhabitants of a body situated somewhere within this “falling toward a universal center” scenario? The objects further ahead (i.e. closer to the black hole center) would appear to be accelerating away from you since they are traveling faster. The objects further behind would appear to be accelerating away, since you are traveling faster than they are “leaving them is the dust” so to speak. Basically what I am proposing is the idea of running the big bang in reverse. This would account for the apparent acceleration.

A second tier to this conception is to consider that one wouldn’t be able to tell whether the universe is expanding (as is the current proposition) or contracting toward a center. Thus, you might consider that is may be actually doing both! Matter is sucked into the black hole on one side and then, ejected out on the other. The universe is thus shaped like a torus (i.e. giant doughnut) with a revolving exterior mass. It would look very much like a rotating electromagnetic field.

Getting a bit esoteric perhaps, it might also imply that all events that transpire within this cyclical torus universe unfold in the same manner with each cycle, as can be demonstrated by the reversibility of viscous fluids. Which means, you have already read this post, billions of years ago and will read it again, billions of years in the future.

Stubb
Stubb

Why that almost sounds like the Federal Reserve and inflation.

Vodka
Vodka

Some great thoughts by the good Dr.

Thanks for sharing.

Da Perfessor
Da Perfessor

DR. –

Just in case you check back…

Since reading your hypothesis, it has taken up some of my brain which yet continues to gnaw at it. So far, I cannot find a single bit of what I know of the cosmological data which would rebut your model. Further, the rotational EM field suggested by your idea appears amenable to the inherent strangeness of quantum mechanics. I am not sure that it solves the problem of the property called gravity but, so what. Your conception is really quite beautiful.

Thanks,

Da P

Dr. James Sempsey
Dr. James Sempsey

To further elaborate on my hypothesis, there is evidence to support certain aspects of it. For example, it has been observed that the universe is not expanding uniformly. A small percentage of galaxies appear not to be moving away from ours and some still, appear to be moving toward us. To date, not even the dark matter/energy hypothesis can account for this. Taking my hypothesis into consideration, if those galaxies happened to be on same approximate plane as ours then they would (within a minute slice of this plane) converge toward us. Imagine 3 vehicles, spaced 100 feet apart, starting from the same starting line. These 3 vehicles are all racing toward a single point a mile down the road. If traveling at the same speed, they will remain roughly parallel but, when looking out of the side windows of the central vehicle, the cars to your left and right will appear to be gradually moving closer to you (as indeed they are).

Westcoaster
Westcoaster

According to recently published reports, astronomers are now considering our solar system was once a binary star (two suns) system, AND they’re puzzled by gravitational force detected on the planets by some “new” giant planet that exists in our solar system but to date hasn’t been “detected”.
If we can’t even solve how many suns and planets are in our own solar system, then how the hell can we even conceive of the forces in the universe?
We’re living in a time when a breakaway civilization knows a whole lot more than they’re letting on. It’s leaking out slowly, one drip at a time. For example did you know UFOs and EBE’s are THE top secret even ranked above the hydrogen bomb? How do I know that? A statement by Edward Teller, the inventor of the hydrogen bomb.

ASIG
ASIG

All I know is that there’s a brick wall out there somewhere and we’re going to hit it someday.

hardscrabble farmer

“…math has no meaning in the physical universe.”

Poppycock.

Mathematics is the language of the Universe.

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