Question of the Day, Aug 18

Happy Friday! Today’s question comes from the great article written by Mr. Quinn this week.

Which side was right in the civil war and why?


Author: Back in PA Mike

Crotchety middle aged man with a hot younger wife dead set on saving this Country.

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Stucky

The South.

Because I say so.

THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN!!!

MadMax1861
MadMax1861

Tammy Wynette – Dixieland You Will Never Die 1976
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k41XqwHMTLk

MadMax1861
MadMax1861

Johnny Cash sings “God Bless Robert E Lee” :
https://vid.me/DtOL

TampaRed
TampaRed

thanks max,i haven’t heard those for years–

TJF
TJF

The several states most certainly had the right to withdraw from the Union. The states wouldn’t have joined if that wasn’t the case. So, although slavery is bad, what Lincoln did, was worse in my opinion. He destroyed our country as it was and it has not recovered. The south should have been able to peacefully secede. Slavery would’ve came to end in another way, perhaps without all the blood shed.

Harry, the Texas Patriot
Harry, the Texas Patriot

Slavery was a very minor cause of the War Between the States. There were numerous others that would have caused the war even if slavery had not existed at the time. Current Leftists, whose forebears were the primary slave owners and slave traders, are trying to make slavery the only cause of that nation-destroying war. As for me, I think both countries would be better off now had the secession succeeded.

razzle
razzle

The left is still trying to preserve their plantations of dependents. We just call them major metropolitan areas now.

Dutchman
Dutchman

They should never fought over slavery. It could have been limited to those 11 southern states, and phased out / sunsetted over time. With the industrial revolution – the need for manual labor greatly decreased,

Edwitness
Edwitness

The south for sure. Because fighting for the cause of liberty is always the right choice. Lincoln could care less about the slavery issue. He went to war for the banksters. Just like most of them have.
But, the only true and lasting liberty comes from the one who gave it to man in the first place. Jesus Christ.
Blessings:-}

Wip
Wip

Well Liberty, yes, is the highest cause imo. The slaves sure wanted it. Having said that, Lincoln was a racist himself. So 2 strikes against him.

The war was won by a racist anyway.

CCRider
CCRider

Painful to admit but it was the union. Lincoln correctly saw the wave of history favored centralization of political power and the evolution of massive corporations (he got the job because he was a lobbyist for one of the biggest). Collectivism flourished and Liberty declined. All due, I suppose, to the full flowering of the industrial revolution. Britain’s empire rose exponentially, Italy, Germany and other political entities centralized power from separate provinces to nation states prompting entangling alliances. Thus the groundwork was laid for the cataclysm of the 20th century wars. Note the many inventions of killing machines from submarines to ironclad warships to machine guns begun in the ‘civil war’ that were general use weaponry in the slaughters that followed. So rejoice all you government lovers, you’ve had your way.

But now one age has faded and another has risen so the pendulum swings away. Or so we may pray in that such is the horror of modern weapons and the utter insanity of governments that we will now decentralize or perish.

BSHJ
BSHJ

That all makes good sense and may perhaps explain some of Lincolns motivations but the question is….”Which side was right in the civil war and why?”

CCRider
CCRider

Point taken. It depends on the meaning of ‘right’. I took it to mean which side was favored by that time in history. But my heart is certainly with the south-then and now.

razzle
razzle

You assume that if the states had been allowed to secede a superior form of re-unionizing wouldn’t have developed over time on more mutually agreeable terms compared to the subjugation form that we wound up getting.

CCRider
CCRider

I have no idea if reunion would have been in the cards-no one else does either. My main point is at that time in history the prevailing political winds favored centralization which Lincoln correctly sensed and that it spelled disaster going forward. From Lee’s own mouth: the new united states was sure to be “aggressive abroad and despotic at home”.

Vic
Vic

CCRider, I don’t think Lincoln sensed the political winds favoring centralization. I think Lincoln sensed a huge lose of money from the port tariffs. At the time of the War Between the States, the South was the richest part of the country, though your textbooks don’t tell you that. And the South paid the majority of the taxes, including those port tariffs. It was too big of a prize for Lincoln to let go.

CCRider
CCRider

Certainly a critical factor. All wars make money for the ruling classes.

Gman
Gman

As a native born “Yankee” my early life answer was simple, how wrong I was Once I opened my eyes and started seeing, the truth became obvious…the South. As for why, novels have been written, but if you read the actual articles of succession the answer was clear, States Rights, period. The truth has never been taught you have to seek it out for yourself. To do that you have to be open minded enough to understand there is an agenda being executed by powerful entities that “we the people” never sought to control us.

Vic
Vic

Good for you Gman.

Here’s a video of Stefan Molyneux interviewing Dinesh D’Souza about Leftist Fascism. The War Between the States is discussed. I think many will find it eye-opening.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNrytSEyUoY

nkit
nkit

The South because:

1. their secession was justified by the first paragraph of the Declaration of Independence

2. their secession was also justified by our country’s secession from England.

fear & loathing

how many men flocked to the call either for or against slavery. zero, that issue not worth dying for.

Vic
Vic

fear & loathing, you’re correct. The politicians and the large plantation owners, the 10% at the top, the majority who owned the slaves, are the ones that started the war, just as presidents (and previously Congresses) do today, without any say from the citizens. The majority of the Southern people fought in the war to protect their homes and their families once the war started. If our president today started a war that we had no say in, and our country was invaded, we would all do the same thing.

However, the cause was just. The Southerners were fighting against tyranny from the North.

The North won, and the South still hasn’t fully recovered from that war. And the way the South was treated, and has been treated since, is now extending to the rest of the country.

Dave
Dave

The North. Because this country is going South fast. Multiculturalism is destroying it.

Dave
Dave

Apparently some people don’t know what going south means.

IndenturedServant

Considering that both sides were acting on yet more Rothschild lies in the prelude to war, neither side could be “right”. As admin so rightly pointed out, context of the times is something the masses will never know about. You have to do what you you have to do with the information available.

It’s another example of “out of chaos, order” brought to us by our owners. Some things never change.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Sometimes conflict things aren’t right or wrong, they just are.

Tow competing economic systems, one relying on industrial machinery development and the other relying on human labor that had no need for machinery (which was still more expensive at that point). The Industrialists wanted the South to become dependent on them and their machines.

Which side was right is always determined by the winner after it is over, and in this case it was the Industrialist side that won.

If they had waited a few more years till their machinery surpassed human labor in lowering production costs there would have been no need for that war since the changeover to machine vs human labor would have occurred naturally and the slaves freed because it still cost money to keep them but they no longer produced anything valuable after being replaced by machines.

FWIW, that is what I was taught way back in Jr high school. Maybe it was wrong, but that is the way I was taught.

anotherdoug
anotherdoug

Intellectuals in the South were in the right and had valid arguments for secession. The rabble who followed along–not so much. The yankees wanted absolute control of commerce and did not regard slavery as bad, just obsolete so they used it as an excuse.

overthecliff
overthecliff

The side that won because they write the history. When there is a war it is important for your side to win. Without victory, being right means nothing.

i forget
i forget

“A white man wants to win first, look good second. A black man wants to look good first, win second.” ~ “White Men Can’t Jump”

Still, some of ‘em can jump better than they can calculate.

Winning’s a side effect, not a goal, or it ain’t nuthin’. To those for whom winning’s everything, there’s no shortage of ends justifies means pragmatism. Usually followed up with a much better sounding (fictional) narrative.

Galileo could calc. Was right. Lies written by “victors” ain’t history. Lies are just lies – whoever writes them.

Without integrity, victory means nothing. Pragmatist “victories” also crumble, soon or late, anyway.

BB

The South because Stucky said so .

Seriously I don’t know.I have read alot about the civil war but it was for sure fought for reasons more complex then Slavery.As Indent Service said.The banks wanted the war and finally the Politicians gave it to them.Kinda the way it is now .

Anonymous
Anonymous

The question doesn’t make any sense. It was not a situation where only 2 possibilities existed.

Vic
Vic

Actually, Anon, there were only two choices, and the Lincoln made sure of that. You need to read the real history of how the war actually started with the firing on Fort Sumter, and the lies Lincoln kept telling to the Southern representatives as they tried to negotiate with him to avoid war. Clyde Wilson is a good author to read.

Southern Sage
Southern Sage

Neither. It was a catastrophe for all involved. It ruined America. Never again would we be a Band if Brothers.

DRUD
DRUD

RIght? Has any side every been all the way “right” in any war in human history? There were undoubtedly atrocities as well as acts of heroism committed by individuals and groups on both sides. At the very top, of course, on both sides were powerful men craving more power, desperately afraid of losing what power they had and no amount of blood spilled would ever dissuade them from their desperate, selfish needs and fears. The STATE is the most evil institution in all of history and war is its ugliest, nastiest offspring.

Anonymous
Anonymous
GilbertS
GilbertS

Obviously, you’re a Yankee.
Any Good Southern Boy knows the correct term is War of Northern Aggression.
The South was in the right, of course.
First issue- Can we all agree the Confederate States of America was a separate nation which voted to secede from the United States, complete with its own Constitution, military, currency, laws, and foreign ambassadors? Lincoln refused to admit that and would not permit any talks with CSA representatives, which was the ultimate root of the conflict and his justification for a war of annihilation on what he considered his own subjects. When the CSA attempted peaceful diplomatic overtures, the FedGov would not recognize them and all forms of communication were spurned, ensuring war was the only solution. Please note “Civil War” is essentially a propagandist’s term promoted by the winning side because it completely ignores this fundamental point. You’re admitting the US was right, no matter your personal opinion on the matter, when you use that term. “Civil War” is an offensive term, if you believe the CSA was, in fact, a separate nation, because it implies the war was actual an internal conflict between American citizens and not a war against a breakaway nation.

The CSA was, obviously, in the right. No matter what you think of their policies, they had a legal right to secede from the Union. I can prove this with one simple point: Where is the clause in the Constitution that says no state can ever withdraw? The other founding document of the USA, the Declaration of Independence, makes it obvious that secession is a legal right of all peoples. And the Constitution reserves to the States and the People whatever powers are not specifically listed as FedGov powers. Secession is not an enumerated FedGov power, so….

The Colonies weren’t getting jumped into a gang, they were voluntarily joining a Union. If you can voluntarily join an entity, you should be voluntarily able to un-join that entity. Would you join a club that you could not leave?

It’s important to consider the era when the Constitution was ratified. The states were much, much more powerful and independent then than now. We’ve been taught and trained and forced to accept the primacy of the FedGov over all and we’re used to their insidious infiltration of all aspects of our lives, but 2 centuries ago, the states were the source of power and were able to do much more on their own. If Jefferson were alive today, I believe he would be arrested as an alt-right terrorist. After all, this is the man who told us the Tree of Liberty needs to be watered with blood. He was so anti-Statist, he believed we could replace the Navy with fleets of tiny 1 cannon sailboats that would swarm and attack invading ships so our Navy could never oppress us or anyone else. Lincoln changed it all when he essentially became a tyrant. Despite his rationalization that it was not a war on a foreign power, he abolished freedom of speech and arrested 40,000 people for disagreeing with him over his treatment of the allegedly-rebellious Americans. He even banished one man, Clement Vallandigham, a Congressman from Ohio, from the USA for opposing the war.

Also, the war was not about Slavery, it was about State’s Rights. At the time, only about 1 man in 20 actually owned a slave. Those men, however, supported their states over the then-weaker FedGov. That’s why so many leading figures in the US Army, like Robert E. Lee, who was considered one of the best leaders in the Army, resigned to fight for their states.

Unfortunately, I must concede that while the war was primarily about State’s Rights, the right the states were primarily concerned with was their right to own slaves. Granted, I’m glossing over a couple decades of economic and political tension between the South and the North, but that was their primary issue.

Also, I don’t blame the South for having slaves and neither should anyone else. Slavery in America, and the Americas as a whole, was a European introduction. It was started by the Spanish and a fundamental policy for their rape of South America. The Brits did it, too. They wanted to start up a Spanish Mita-style slave system to exploit their colonies, but it just didn’t work. Many of the first Americans were slaves, although we camouflage it with the bloodless term, “Indentured Servitude.” Opposition to slavery only developed over time and it is unreasonable to apply our current “enlightened” ideals to the distant past. For those libtards who wish to fight about Slavery, I would point out Sudan and Saudi only officially banned the practice 45 years ago and the Saudis are believed to still have slaves now. (Also, currently our own nation seems to have a bit of a problem with slavery if you look at the practice of private prisons renting out their inmates for work and bribing judges to sentence people to their prisons for otherwise minor crimes.)

So yeah, the CSA was right.

Vic
Vic

GilbertS, you have a firm grasp of true history. I applaud you.

i forget
i forget

Neither was right. But the confederates, snapshot in time, were less wrong. Why? Because rights, then as now, are trumped by rites. The lesser of two imposed rituals is still just ritual imposition.

Boat Guy
Boat Guy

What difference does it make now , blacks in America are on a pedastol and all who fail or refuse to patronize there ignorance and vile culture and see the great majority of 13.3% of the population for what they actually cost and the damage that our society has endured by refusing to control their group fed lunacy and politicians profiting by playing up to and perpetuating black ignorance . Extra points on tests set asides for jobs and contracts and then when they fail “instutional racism set me up” ya ok sure . Funny how many blacks succeed without that bullshit handup or handout pity they get lumped in with the squalor !

Vic
Vic

Yes, Boat Guy, they don’t realize they’re still on the plantation. It’s a Washington, D.C. plantation rather than a southern plantation.

MrLiberty
MrLiberty

It was a war that was provoked by Lincoln and previous presidents because they would not simply allow the peaceful and legal secession of the southern states. The blood of 750,000+ men, women, and children is on Lincoln’s hands. Slavery could have been ended (though that was NEVER truly the goal) peacefully as EVERY OTHER WESTERN NATION did. Massive tariffs against the south to support northern manufacturing interests and the railroads, could NOT however, been achieved or lasted without serious opposition from the south. The GOP was born of protectionist, crony-capitalist roots that included high tariffs and direct big-business subsidies and NOTHING has changed.

rhs jr
rhs jr

Sorry we lost; memo to self: try harder next time.

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