7 Forces Driving America Toward Civil War

Guest Post by John Hawkins

7 Forces Driving America Toward Civil War

I was interviewed by a mainstream media reporter yesterday. I thought he wanted to talk tech issues, but we actually spent almost the entire conversation discussing the feeling that many conservatives have that America has gone off the tracks and is headed toward dissolution or alternately, a civil war one day. Obviously, this would be a terrible thing and ironically, twenty years ago, it would have been laughable. Today, the joke isn’t so funny because we are a deeply unhealthy society with a dysfunctional government and for all our money, success and storied history, we seem to be on an increasingly dangerous trajectory.

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1) A Post-Constitutional Era: Liberals don’t believe in the Constitution. Typically they deny this, but that’s exactly what a “living” Constitution means. You make it up as you go along. The Founders foresaw the instability and danger that would be created by this approach, which is why they wanted us to be a constitutional republic, not a democracy. Unfortunately, America has in many ways already become a post-constitutional democracy and we’re one liberal judge away from abandoning the Constitution altogether. Once we get to that point, America just becomes the representation of that old saying, “Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for dinner.” Of course people are not lambs and when large numbers of them believe they aren’t being treated fairly, they do have the option of getting away from the wolves. 

2) Tribalism: The “you only have to listen to people you already agree with” nature of social media has dramatically ramped up the level of tribalism in the United States. The Right has gotten much more tribal since Donald Trump rose to prominence and the Left has taken tribalism into hyper-drive. Increasingly, liberals treat a range of opinion between Elizabeth Warren and Hillary Clinton as legitimate while everyone else is viewed as a white supremacist Nazi primitive that must be driven down into the gutter for society to move forward. This makes any sort of dialogue or cooperation nearly impossible. When every issue is a zero sum war where one tribe must win or lose, a lot of people quite understandably ask, “What do we gain by staying allied to this other tribe?”

3) Federal Government Too PowerfulFederalism is a safety valve on the American pressure cooker. As long as people in San Francisco can, for the most part, live the way they want to live while the people in rural North Carolina can, for the most part, live the way they want to live, it’s much easier for everyone to get along. When people are unnecessarily forced to live under rules they find abhorrent because the federal government has become an octopus that has inserted its tentacles into every minute crevice of American life, it creates discontent on a wide scale. If most Americans wanted to live like people in San Francisco, they’d live in San Francisco.

4) Moral Decline: As Samuel Adams once noted, “A general dissolution of principles and manners will more surely overthrow the liberties of America than the whole force of the common enemy. While the people are virtuous they cannot be subdued; but when once they lose their virtue then will be ready to surrender their liberties to the first external or internal invader.”

A large number of Americans HAVE LOST their principles, manners and virtue and it shows through from the sort of politicians they elect, to their rudeness online, to the sort of shallow hedonism and fame whoring they find appealing. Americans are increasingly becoming a soft and decadent people which is problematic because the challenges may change, but we can be certain that Americans will face future challenges every bit as difficult as the ones past generations had to tackle. This is frightening because if you look at the “principles, manners and virtue” of Americans today, they don’t seem capable of dealing with monumental events like the War of 1812, the Civil War, the Depression or World War II. Most people in their twenties probably couldn’t tell you why all those events were such challenges in the first place. When America faces a challenge bigger than we can handle because of ineffective politicians and our “amusing ourselves to death” population, there are no guarantees our republic will survive.

5) The Debt: America is a freight train heading toward a cliff, but because we’re not moving toward the edge at lightning speed, no one seems all that concerned. However, the fact of the matter is that a reckoning is coming. At some point, probably within the next decade or two, we will face a debt-driven economic collapse; borrowed money will stop flowing into the United States and Medicare/Social Security as we know it will fall apart because we will not have the money to pay it. If and when we get to that point, all bets are off because if regions of the country see an advantage to splitting off from the United States at that point, they will do it.

6) Lack Of A Shared Culture: There has never been a time when American culture was more fragmented than it is today. By that, I mean that there are legions of people with millions of fans or followers on the Internet that the vast majority of Americans have never heard of in their lives. We don’t have that shared love of anybody or for that matter, anything. Conservatives and liberals disagree on economics (capitalist/socialist), religion (friendly to Christianity/hostile to Christianity), the Constitution (support/believe in a living Constitution i.e. no Constitution), etc., on and on. The average conservative and the average liberal disagree on 95% of the issues and in the few limited cases where they do look at things the same, they won’t support a proposal by the other out of sheer tribalism. Over the long haul, there has be something more to hold a country together than, “We wear Nikes, like pop music and play golf.”

7) Gun Grabbing:  Liberals have fallen in love with the idea of ignoring the 2nd Amendment and confiscating all firearms. The logistics of doing this in a nation with hundreds of millions of guns (many of which are off the books) when many police departments and tens of millions of Americans would not cooperate is seldom discussed. Another thing that seldom seems brought up is that large numbers of conservatives would see this as a prelude to the government’s use of force against the citizenry. When it is discussed on the Left, there seems to be an assumption that lone resisters might get into firefights with dozens of police or soldiers, as opposed to ganging up with other formerly law-abiding Americans to waylay gun confiscators, politicians and anti-gun activists at THEIR HOMES in guerrilla actions that would be silently applauded and supported by hundreds of millions of Americans concerned about their freedom. Confiscating guns is a dangerous and stupid idea that could in and of itself end our republic if a serious attempt were ever made to implement it.

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MrLiberty
MrLiberty
April 24, 2018 12:01 pm

Just one force – government. People who are diverse, but of no threat to each other because they cannot use the LEGAL violence and force of government to steal from others, destroy the rights of others, murder others, imprison others, etc. generally get along quite well or at least settle into mutually-acceptable routines that leave everyone free to do their own thing. Add government, its monopoly on LEGAL violence, its LEGAL authority to steal, kill, imprison, etc. and the problems will NEVER END.

Zarathustra
Zarathustra
April 24, 2018 12:09 pm

Secession is the answer. No sensible person would want to be ruled by either “liberals” or “conservatives.” Either mean a continuation of endless wars abroad (for Israel) and a police state at home.

RHS Jr
RHS Jr
  Zarathustra
April 24, 2018 4:28 pm

I’m a Conservative Christian and don’t want the wars and police state the Liberals are forcing on US; I agree that liberals are constantly making worse immoral and unconstitutional laws that I refuse to honor.

Zarathustra
Zarathustra
  RHS Jr
April 24, 2018 5:21 pm

So George W. Bush was a liberal?

MrLiberty
MrLiberty
  Zarathustra
April 24, 2018 8:51 pm

Yes. But the delusional called him a “conservative” so they could justify voting for him…..twice.

jamesthedeplorablewanderer
jamesthedeplorablewanderer
April 24, 2018 12:32 pm

There are too many dichotomies – urban vs. rural [AND THEIR VALUE SYSTEMS}, conservative vs. liberal [AND THEIR VALUE SYSTEMS], and so on. Not just points of view on given issues, we can mostly get along beyond those; but when people disagree on both fundamental values like the value of human life (at any age), the value of truth (even if it hurts your position on an issue), and the value of tolerance (if you don’t agree with me that’s OK, I have no right to FORCE you into compliance) then it’s really tough to hold a society together.

Dutchman
Dutchman
April 24, 2018 12:44 pm

Seems most everything has gone over the top – here’s my top four:

Take education – a huge bloated bureaucracy, that teaches the children less and less, while indoctrinating them with the latest government ‘newspeak’, mostly a daycare enterprise, now prison like, with government workers (teachers) sucking down big benefits. It if wasn’t for government schools these liberal arts graduates (teachers) would be waiting tables / mowing lawns. In many states education is half the budget.

All taxes, especially sales tax and property taxes. They keep cranking up and add new local sales taxes – a 1/4 % at a time. In down town Minneapolis they have additional sales taxes, and restaurant taxes, and an entertainment tax. Go to a bar, where they have a guy playing a guitar – and it’s almost 15% tax!! And the property taxes, where they raise the assessed value – and bingo – you pay more taxes – for the same property – no additional services. Then there are the ‘junk fees’ – like ‘wheelage tax’ – this is just another tax added to your yearly car registration. Property owners are nothing more than ATM’s.

Entitlements – they were supposed to be a ‘helping hand’, not a way of living. Seems like a lot of people have all sorts of disabilities – here again us tax payers are ATM’s. This is a huge part of the budget.

Illegals / immigrants / Martians – no more benefits. All the illegals go home. No more immigrants from turd world countries. The Martians? Depends if they can drive properly, and use indoor plumbing.

IMO these four are enough to bring on Civil War.

Aquapura
Aquapura
  Dutchman
April 24, 2018 2:22 pm

Make that 16.275% tax if you are downtown Mpls. and the bar has a guy playing guitar.

Dutchman
Dutchman
  Aquapura
April 24, 2018 2:50 pm

Minneapolis is two cities: The ‘downtown’ the crown jewel of the Progressive city council. The rest of us ‘unwashed bastards’ can pay for this ever growing shit show, with ever increasing property taxes. And then we have a fucking ‘boy mayor’.

garyb
garyb
  Dutchman
April 24, 2018 4:32 pm

it’s a”paradise ” i like to see in my rearview mirr0r:>:>

Martin
Martin
  Dutchman
April 24, 2018 6:58 pm

Try and imagine how a ‘civil war’ where the 2 or 3 or 4 sides are completely mixed, all neighbors and co-workers. The enemy is sitting in every 3rd car on the Highway. It can’t play out like the blue & grey Civil War. It can’t even start until (millions of?) people are ready to take up arms against their neighbors who are also taking up arms. When everybody is shooting at everybody else it won’t be organized enough to call a War.

Jake
Jake
  Martin
April 24, 2018 10:22 pm

Sounds like Somalia. Or a bad neighborhood in St. Louis or Baltimore.

Capn Mike
Capn Mike
April 24, 2018 1:40 pm

As Tom Woods points out: 300 million people ruled (in every detail of their lives) by a mid-sized city in Virginia just won’t work.

Ivan
Ivan
  Capn Mike
April 24, 2018 11:06 pm

DC came from Maryland, learn your fucking history.

Jason Calley
Jason Calley
  Ivan
April 25, 2018 3:36 pm

I find myself confused. I remember from grade school that we were told that the District of Columbia was formed from land donated by Maryland and by Virginia. Current fountains of wisdom like Wikipedia still name both states. However when I look at a map, it appears that only land from Maryland was used. What gives? Is it possible that Virginia’s land was returned? Or maybe the District of Columbia actually still crosses the Potomac to contain part of old Virginia but the boundary of Washington (the city) only goes up to the shore of the Potomac, inside old Maryland.

Any clarification?

ivan
ivan
  Jason Calley
April 25, 2018 6:54 pm

ONLY land from Maryland was used. Pentagon and Arlington sit on land Virginia was to have given. D.C. was to have been square, looking at a map one can tell what real-estate Virginia was to have given but didn’t. It’s all occupied territory now though, as is most of the real estate north to Maine.

Virginia reneged on the deal for what reason I don’t remember from my 3rd grade Maryland history. Perhaps just because they could??

Although it occurred to me after typing that comment, Cap’n Mike MAY have been referring to Langley, VA?

C1ue
C1ue
April 24, 2018 2:37 pm

The notion that the United States has a shared culture is laughable. NorthEast, MidWest, South and West are radically different much less the smaller regions within these areas.
My thesis has long been that the United States is united by the American Dream: the notion that working hard and playing within the rules let’s everyone and their children attain better lives. Within this context, the license method doesn’t matter.
And similarly, when the American Dream is dead – if it isn’t already – why stay unified?
Put another way: liberal times are associated with eras of excess and optimism historically. Eras of conservatism ate associated with eras of shortage and pain – when most people ate forced back onto their families and neighbors to survive.
The irony of today is that the era of plenty has long since ended, yet somehow we’re still talking liberalism.
Or maybe not. It is precisely holding back this sociopaths-economic tide which has the liberals in power so transparently manipulative.

Dutchman
Dutchman
  C1ue
April 24, 2018 2:53 pm

The call it the American Dream because it’s best experience while you are asleep.

Working hard and getting ahead is pretty much dead – except for some niche markets.

Iconoclast421
Iconoclast421
April 24, 2018 2:53 pm

Eventually this country is going to end up as a Venezuela. It will take a long time to so thoroughly destroy the currency, but it will happen. And at some point, near the end, they’re going to be printing money to buy the citizens’ guns. And they will get them too, because printing is easier than actually working and so people will trade guns for worthless fiat. Once they have 95% of the guns, then they will confiscate the rest using force.

Martin
Martin
  Iconoclast421
April 24, 2018 7:03 pm

Easier to print up sacks of cash and buy up the ammo makers, lead supplies, brass cartridge makers.
Collecting guns is a dangerous waste of time, but guns without ammo are a waste of time too.
Whose time to the anti-gun people want to waste theirs or the gun people’s ?

Dutchman
Dutchman
April 24, 2018 2:57 pm

I was reading about the ‘CalExit’ – This Would Cause A Civil War:

Advocates who want California to secede from the rest of the United States were given the green light Monday to begin collecting signatures for their initiative.

California’s Secretary of State Alex Padilla announced the ballot proposal had been cleared.

The latest measure would ask voters in 2020 to decide whether to open up a secession discussion. If passed, a second election would be held a year later asking voters to affirm the decision and become an independent country.

Advocates have until mid-October to gather 365,880 signatures of registered voters to get it on the ballot.

Marcus Ruiz Evans and Louis J. Marinelli, co-founders of the group Yes California, said the second vote would show that Californians are serious about secession and would strengthen the case for foreign governments to recognize the state’s independence.</b

D.C. Isn’t going to let any foreign government recognize Commifornia. Before that happens the National Guard (or Army) will arrest the Governor and other top elected officials.

AC
AC
  Dutchman
April 24, 2018 3:55 pm

D.C. Isn’t going to let any foreign government recognize Commifornia. Before that happens the National Guard (or Army) will arrest the Governor and other top elected officials.

Shhh!!!! Never interrupt an enemy while they’re making a mistake.

Neuday
Neuday
  Dutchman
April 24, 2018 7:05 pm

Mexifornia is already a separate country. We need to encourage other mexicans in the US to move there, then post border troops just outside of Truckee and Barstow. Damned hard migrating across the Sierra Nevada or Death Valley.

Fulton
Fulton
  Dutchman
April 24, 2018 8:35 pm

I say let them go!

Bilco
Bilco
April 24, 2018 3:55 pm

7a) Liberals are to stupid to remember that Conservatives own most of the guns.

Anonymous
Anonymous
  Bilco
April 24, 2018 4:02 pm

And usually actually know how to use them effectively as well.

RHS Jr
RHS Jr
  Anonymous
April 24, 2018 5:02 pm

Liberals are impossibly stupid or they would have backed off long ago on every Cultural Communist issue that will Blow Back up their asses when TSHTF.

MarshRabbit
MarshRabbit
April 24, 2018 5:04 pm

Who was the mainstream media reporter?

Two, if by sea. Three if from within,thee
Two, if by sea. Three if from within,thee
April 24, 2018 9:51 pm

Constitution?
That’s a document without teeth
The minute an article goes off about a piece of paper that’s always been believed in as a great thing in principle but disregarded should those in power or their money lending backers feel the need to, always gives me a chuckle.

digitalpennmedia
digitalpennmedia

of course the document doesnt have teeth. the document was designed for the PEOPLE to enforce it. The people got lazy, complacent and just plain stupid. NEVER would the founders ever have thought the country would get here, certainly there would be pitchforks in the town squares… ONLY the “towns” have there own private armies (aka cops) to disperse the peasantry. [the whole entity of a police force, the corporations armed guards, is actually unconstitutional were it not for the approving of an amendment allowing for corporations to be people [again where were the pitchforks]. Unfortunately though if one was to remember the Bonus Army after WW1, we would find that our military attacked our veterans only looking to be paid what they were owed. And again no pitchforks. Its not the document without teeth, its the sheep that prefer to be ruled and abused.

shmaboo
shmaboo
April 24, 2018 11:46 pm

Perhaps Zarathustra ought to change his name to “Machmusolini Ama Hitlerad” to call our attention to his antisemitic views. Only then may the readers of the Burning Platform fully appreciate his erudition.

Philip Camp
Philip Camp
April 25, 2018 9:48 am

After laying out all sorts of horrible things the govt was doing, The late whistle blower William Cooper said that the globalists wanted to destroy the people’s faith in their government so they would choose to overthrow it & replace it w/ the NWO. His solution was, “hang the traitors.” Is the system f*****d up? Sure. But the world is fallen, & will not be fixed until the Lord returns & sets things right. Burning it down won’t solve the problem. Many people think it will, but this is not just an error, it’s a trap. That’s why the establishment has handed things off to the looney left. They want to wreck everything.
“We will unleash the nihilists and the atheists…”. (You can look up Albert Pike’s famous quotation.)
The only alternatives are to allow the corruption to continue, burn the m***********r to the ground, or somehow fix the system (Cooper’s solution – ‘hang the traitors.’ He meant legally). If the Q business is legit, it looks as though POTUS has chosen the third way.