In the fairly lengthy Google Image War LLPOH and I engaged in over in Part III of the Last Crusade series, the most interesting in my opinion are the Contrast Pictures LLPOH put up of his version of Schools under Capitalism (students sitting at computers) versus a primitive school out in the Bush country of Africa which is where he projects my philosophy will lead. I countered with a photo of a trashed School Room in Detroit resulting from Capitalist Decay versus a Traditional One Room Schoolhouse with a Wood Burning Stove and Blackboard and Slates rather than Computers.
Here in a nutshell lies the differing world view that LLPOH and I have. He sees what he perceives as the Benefits of Capitalism, modern technology represented by spiffy new computers and he believes that we can perpetuate this model and continue to grow it. I see what I perceive as the Consequences of Capitalism, the decaying Industrial Cities of the Rust Belt with their failing schools and the polluted air and landscape from the Factories, now mostly over in China.
The image of those kids sitting at computers is from my POV just Propaganda. You know, even when you drop a bunch of new computers into a school, it doesn’t really improve the education. Lots of bells and whistles, but really you can teach Math with just a Blackboard and Chalk to kids with Slates and Chalk. Well, you can if the Teacher knows Math anyhow. LOL. Thing is, under Capitalism there wasn’t incentive for people who knew Math well to become Teachers, much more money to be made sitting at a Bloomberg Terminal of course.
Now, my classroom doesn’t REALLY look like the one I put up, but it is a classroom I would be quite comfortable teaching in. To be honest, given the warm weather, the classroom he put up of one in the African Bush didn’t look too bad to me either. At the moment though, I do use Computers and a Whiteboard with Dry Erase Markers which are of course Oil products. As long as this stuff is still up and running, I would be remiss in my responsibilities as a teacher not to use them, since in the event I am WRONG here I need to prepare my students to use these devices. As I project out into the future though, I do not see us having the Energy to run a classroom full of computers, but LLPOH hangs onto the belief that we will, likely I suppose in his case by believing Nuke Power will ride to the rescue and save the day here. LLPOH would like to see more Manufacturing Plants of the Industrial Model return to our shores from China, I am glad they are no longer here polluting our landscape in such great numbers.
LLPOH got moderately rich as a petty capitalist in the Industrial Model, and his World View is shaped by that experience. Because it paid off for him, he believes his ideal can pay off for anyone who works hard, saves their pennies and gets a good education. He doesn’t accept the idea the model is dying because it is based on copious amounts of cheap energy that no longer is available as it was while he built his little bizness. He prefers to blame the problem on too much Goobermint Regulation and poor policies which drove Industry offshore to cheap labor countries like China. He thinks that if we just fixed our Nasty Goobermint by having a whole lot less of it and let the Free Market operate unhindered, our problems would be substantially reduced, if not completely solved. If in addition to that we eviscerated the Social Welfare system the FSA would be forced to find Jobs and be Productive. I’m not sure of the next one, but he might also be one who thinks that if we had a monetary system based on Gold that this would prevent imprudent Goobermint spending and currency debasement. If you are not a PMs advocate LLPOH, you can ignore this portion of my argument as not applying to you, but rather to the other Gold Bugs on the board.
I don’t buy any of the above ideas as True. Too much Goobermint Regulation and silly rules IS a problem, I face them myself. We could not expand our school this year because of requirements that we take the McMansion we converted into a Schoolhouse and drop in a $50K Industrial style Sprinkler system into it. The House is perfectly safe and doesn’t need a sprinkler system if a Family lives in it as a Home, but if we use it as a School, we gotta put in a sprinkler according to Goobermint Regulations on 2 story commercial buildings. Right now we work around this just by using one floor of the house, but we have a whole other floor we could use to expand our classrooms, but its too expensive to put in the sprinkler system for us right now, because we try to keep our tuition very low. None of the Parents think we need a Sprinkler system, their kids are as safe in this house as their own, and this House is just like theirs and they don’t have one. However, Da Goobermint says we must have one if we are going to run the school on both floors of the House.
Anyhow, while this sort of shit is a problem, its not the real underlying problem. The underlying problem for the factory production model and our complex society is the cost of energy. As that input price goes higher in real terms it compresses the margins on what you can sell the products at. If you start paying the workers more or hire more workers to use a less energy dependent production scheme, you drive an inflationary spiral in the price of the goods they produce that way. This is the problem China faces in terms of trying to develop an internal Consumer market from low paid factory workers.
I don’t think eviscerating the Social Welfare system will solve any problems, it will just create WORSE problems. There simply are not enough jobs available in ANY economy right now, and that includes China and Germany, the “successful” Industrial countries here. Removing the Social Welfare system will not create new jobs, it will just create more people with nothing left to lose. More Crime, more beggars out on the street, more Domestic Violence.
Gold won’t solve the monetary problems you have from commerce, because Credit develops regardless of what is used as money, and then speculation develops on the value of assets that credit is based on while interest charges build through the system. These systems always go bust regardless of what you use for money, and metals are particularly easy to control in their market availability if you control their production. Anyone who owns a lot of silver mines can slow down production and raise the value of the silver, or alternatively flood the market with Silver if they have a lot of it stored in warehouses. Its not inherently stable as money as long as the supply is controlled by a few large holders of the means of production of the silver. Gold/Silver arbitrage was a regular means for speculators to control economics under a Metals economy, and there is no reason that the same thing would not recur if you went back to such a monetary system. Gold Bugs complain endlessly about the manipulation by JPM and Blythe Masters, but the reality is this market has always been manipulated because it is so easy to do so, and enormous profits to be made particularly when it is used as a currency medium and sovereign states are desperate for it.
The bottom line here though is not the money, it’s the ENERGY. The energy to keep expanding the Industrial paradigm simply is not there anymore, so filling up more schools with computers isn’t possible, even if it was desirable, which I do not think it is. Its certainly not possible in Egypt, where right now they are having problems just affording to feed a population where 40% of them live on $2 a day. Where is the money going to come from in our society to drop new computers in classrooms all over this country, even if it was desirable? From your Tax Dollars?
No matter how you approach this problem, it becomes clear that on a general level across the board, you cannot put computers in every classroom in the world, and you could only put a lot of them in classrooms here for a while by endlessly adding into the debt. Where did the school systems get the money to buy those computers? Since it generally was not from raising taxes, it had to come from Bond Issues adding debt to the system. CA was a big Leader in this regard, they probably have more computers in their classrooms than anywhere on earth including China, but the way they put them in there was by endlessly adding new debt.
I don’t think we can afford the computers, so along with the HVAC I proposed in Part I to make illegal, I see them as going the way of the Dinosaur here. What CAN we afford though, and what kind of an economy can we create that is sustainable?
I don’t know exactly how far we have to REVERSE ENGINEER here in technology to get to a sustainable level, but I do suspect it is around 1750 era technology, which the One Room Schoolhouse I put up in the Last Crusade Part III represents for the most part. The Cast Iron Wood Burning Stove heating the schoolroom is the most questionable, since to smelt out that metal likely took a good deal of Coal, and long term even that will not be available. However, I think we still would have a few hundred years of time with Coal reserves if all we used them for was to run forges to take the Steel Girders of Big Shitty skyscrapers and reform them into wood burning stoves.
Can I teach Calculus on that Blackboard to smart and well disciplined children with Slates? Of course I can. Frankly, I can teach it just by scratching it out in the dirt with a stick long as the kid I am teaching it to will listen and follow along until he or she gets it. So WTF do I need computers for this task? Thank God for Leibniz, because his notation is a whole lot easier to scratch out than what Newton came up with. LOL.
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Now of course, I LOVE my Laptop, and I sure will miss INUNDATING you all with my endless prose over the Internet when the Web goes the way of the Dinosaur. But you know, for MOST of my life there was no World Wide Web, and I did not miss not having it then. It was perfectly fine for me at the time to read the Newspaper and communicate with others via Snail Mail. Our current generation of children here with their Iphones and Ipads who have known nothing BUT this sort of technological life will suffer a good deal more dislocation than I will when the system craps out. However, they will adjust.and even if they don’t the NEXT generation born without any of these devices functioning will not miss them, because they never had them. In a few generations, nobody will even remember that such things existed, but as long as Homo Sapiens survives, they will find other means to entertain themselves.
Far as what I need for my daily life, do I really NEED my car? Well right now I use it most of the time, but it certainly is possible to get from my Cabin to the Schoolhouse on Skis in the Winter or a Bike the rest of the year. Do we really NEED all our Houses here built with Vinyl Siding and Copper Wire and Electric Outlets? They are certainly nice conveniences, but no we do not really need those things either, and they are VERY expensive, and getting moreso all the time. There are still plenty of Trees up here, so you can still build a reasonable facsimile of my cabin out of the logs in the neighborhood.
Do I really NEED to be eating the Imported Olives from Greece and Avocados from Mexico and Cheese from France? Well, I will certainly miss all of those tasty delicacies when they are GONE around here, but I certainly can live on Salmon and Alaska Grown Potatoes and Carrots. How much of all the things we have come to expect here are really and truly necessary for leading a decent and fulfilling life? Very few of them really. How much ENERGY did it take to make all those things available to me here on the Last Great Frontier though in the Age of Oil? A HUGE amount. Its not sustainable, so it will not be sustained. It is going the way of the Dinosaur, whether your want it to or not. LLPOH does NOT want it to pass into history, I DO. He based his LIFE on this paradigm, while I fought against it and repudiated it. In the end, I will win, because no matter what LLPOH would like to see happen here, the truth is that available energy will continue to decrease until we are FORCED into living the kind of 1750s era lifestyle I project as inevitable now.
LLPOH is unable to see how his mind set is the proximal cause of the Riots in Egypt. He does not accept the idea that the Wealth he sieved from the system came at the expense of impoverished people all over the world. He doesn’t follow the economic chain far enough to see it. He sees himself as Righteous and Just, and the FSA as Leechfucks. I perceive precisely the opposite. I see the Capitalist class as the Leechfucks. They sieved the wealth from the planetary resource and the labor of others into their own pockets, claiming it as their own. Now that the resource base is so diminished, there simply is not energy enough to keep this model running, but he will just not let go of the idea that what worked for him in the era of cheap energy can work for the generation being born here that will experience the poverty that comes from resource depletion. LLPOH is a Dinosaur, in more ways than one.
It is a very tough thing for someone who modeled their life under the parameters of the Capitalist system to be confronted by the real consequences of that system, which is what I do in my posting on a Daily Basis. So LLPOH and I are Sworn Enemies here and in every Thread I originate he feels obligated to come in and Napalm the thread in some way, in the case of Part III by Googling up some images to undermine the arguments I presented there. Fair enough, I know how to Google images also. I think LLPOH is a very bright fellow, but he is a seriously deluded and morally corrupt one as well who has not been able to grasp onto the fact the paradigm he lived his life by was a proximal cause for the collapse we are faced with now. To admit that and REPENT for his sins is not possible for him yet, so he Lashes Out with Napalm. It is likely that there is beginning stage Alzheimers involved here as well, so he is having trouble understanding these concepts. I still hold out the HOPE that he can be SAVED though, and so I try to engage him in debate so he can understand the nature of his sickness better, and perhaps heal himself. If he cannot be healed, he will be condemned to Everlasting Damnation and Torment Burning in the Fires of Hell, but I do hope he can be Saved before this occurs. When dealing with the Elderly you have to have a certain amount of patience. I will keep trying to help him in any event, no matter how much he Napalms me, since I still think there is a spark of Goodness there worth saving. Anybody who buys Christmas Turkeys for his employees cannot be ALL bad.
In any event, the Immortal Soul of LLPOH notwithstanding here, the biggest problem we face in REVERSE ENGINEERING the Power Down is how to reformulate the economic system during that Power Down, since as of RIGHT NOW the distribution of wealth is SOOO skewed that without a proactive redistribution what we will get here is a few folks like Lloyd Blankfein and Jamie Dimon eating Cake while millions of J6Ps all over the world have no Bread in places like Egypt (and here too in the not to far distant future). HTF do you DO that? Answer is you really cannot, but the collapse of the system will eventually do it for you. Eventually here, and its looking like sooner rather than later, all the Fiat money and the assets valued on that money will collapse in the Greatest Bonfire of Paper Wealth in all of Recorded History. Communities will have to reform up with local monetary systems based on their own resources. Accumulated Wealth from the Industrial Era will mostly Vaporize. There will be a variety of intermediary solutions in different locations, some neo-Feudalist economies, some Communist economies, some Fascist Economies and few Tribal ones in remote locations. Some of the same people may be in charge in some of those economies, but the dislocation will be so extreme that it will be very much in flux everywhere.
Out of the Ashes of that destruction, if a few manage to make it through the Zero Point, the Great Experiment that is Human Sentience on Earth will continue on a while longer. It will not look ANYTHING like what we have now though, so if you hope to survive the transition and prosper, imagine what it likely will be like and prep for that existence. Remember also, much more valuable in such a Transition is not MONEY, but FRIENDS and COMMUNITY. Invest in them now, it will pay off well later. Give away what you accumulated here beyond your personal needs. Help others now, they will help you later. Be generous of your physical wealth and of your spirit. Place yourself in the shoes of the FSA, and realize that there you will go as well when the Fiat collapses. Demonize only those who attempt to secure themelves at the expense of others, as Lloyd Blankfein and Jamie Dimon are doing. Work together for the common good. Eschew Material Wealth and Value Spiritual Wealth. Be Kind, Generous and Forgiving of those who will Repent their Sins as the Capitalist Leechfucks who turned our planet into a Sewer. Allow the Repentant Sinners to spend the rest of their lives doing Penitence scrubbing toilets. Dispatch those who will not to the Great Beyond. Then we can move into a Better Tomorrow.
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mikeinaz says:
At least you broke it up with picture this time!
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1st February 2011 at 3:01 pm
Reverse Engineer says:
I’m doing the pictures for Stuck. It helps him follow the words.
RE
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1st February 2011 at 3:04 pm
StuckInNJ says:
Thank you for your concern, RE.
Please also post pictures of the young children and old people that you intend to dispatch to the great beyond. You know, those millions YOU have decided aren’t producing enough to justify their existence in this resource scarce world.
Don’t hold back … and don’t use your cute little euphenisms. You gonna starve the old folk bastards? You gonna shoot the young kids? Abort them? Show me pics with blood, gore, and all the extreme suffering your putrid system entails.
YOU are the one that is immoral here. Unfortunately you are too deluded and arrogant to see it.
llpoh — I do hope you take the time and effort to dispatch RE straight to hell.
Hot debate. What do you think?
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1st February 2011 at 3:48 pm
Reverse Engineer says:
No children Stuck, since children aren’t capapble of hoarding wealth. I’ll convert to Worm farming and Grasshopper Ranches, and all the little children and old folks will live out their natural lives with a less energy intensive diet. The only folks being dispatched to the Great Beyond are the ones hoarding their wealth. Please read for comprehension.
RE
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1st February 2011 at 4:02 pm
The Claymobile says:
RE, the beautifull picture of the one room school house with the wood stove, where is that school located at and where did you get the picture? My sister who is 57 & a widow, was laid off from her job as a purchasing agent 2 yrs. Ago. She worked 31 yrs. for this company. She has not been able to find another job. RE, how is she going to survive in this 1750′s lifestyle that you predict is coming??? How are the millions of home owners going to pay their mortages on subsistence income??? Are all the sub-divisions going to become ghost towns??? Please answer these honest & sincere questions. I find your vision of the future extremly frightening!
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1st February 2011 at 6:43 pm
Kill Bill says:
A computer is a device – it cannot create intelligence.
If you put bad data in – you get bad data out.
If you set a moron in front of a computer – you get a moron in front of a computer.
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1st February 2011 at 6:56 pm
Anonymous says:
“I still hold out the HOPE that he can be SAVED though, and so I try to engage him in debate so he can understand the nature of his sickness better, and perhaps heal himself. If he cannot be healed, he will be condemned to Everlasting Damnation and Torment Burning in the Fires of Hell, but I do hope he can be Saved before this occurs.”
BBWWWAAHH!
I propose a Pray Loopy Out Of Purgatory Fund .I think I can scrape of a pre-’65 quarter to start it off.
Come on cough it up. Help save an evil capitalists soul!
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1st February 2011 at 7:21 pm
Kill Bill says:
Taco Bell is hiring
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1st February 2011 at 7:24 pm
flash says:
Being old, broke up and toothless I can’t survive the toil and troubles of a 1750 lifestyle ,so I’m basing my survival plan on cannibalism. I’ve got a little experience playing rugby which means I’ll probably do alright surviving on the sweet meat of the FSA.
Say,anybody got the recipe for Dhamers’s Special Sauce?
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1st February 2011 at 7:30 pm
llpoh says:
RE – despite my general misgivings, I scanned this article given it seemed my moniker played a starring role. You claim you will win. Bah. Humbug. We are not going to tribalism. Things will inevitably alter, and I do not wish for a rape and pillage manufacturing society. But then again I am not Chinese. They will do as they will.
You also say, “LLPOH got moderately rich as a petty capitalist in the Industrial Model”. To you that is a crime. To me, it as a great and wonderful thing, that I have provided jobs, and goods, and paid taxes, and generally pulled my weight and then some, and have enjoyed also some personal benefit by taking risk and applying my talent, skill, experience, sweat, and blood.
That you would call me immoral is truly outrageous. You purport yourself to be above all others, it seems, and wish to be judge, jury, and even executioner.
So I say to you, go fuck yourself. Your delusions know no bounds.
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1st February 2011 at 7:44 pm
MuckAbout says:
As Bob Heinlein said a number of decades ago, a school is only a log with a teacher at one end and a student at the other.
For some reason, 90% of the comments on this post have charged off the subject line just to beat up RE. (Not that he doesn’t deserve it now and again, just not this time).
Ah screw it. It’s too late, I’m tired and the kid in the kettle would be shit flavored long before he was done anyhow.
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1st February 2011 at 7:51 pm
Smokey says:
I don’t have to read it. I know it is another desperate attempt by RE to get attention. A fool beyond help.
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1st February 2011 at 7:52 pm
Kill Bill says:
Bernanke keyboards money into existence and buys houses [mortgages]. He gets an actual material asset built by others labors for nothing.
Thats an evil capitalist.
I doubt they have a soul.
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1st February 2011 at 7:54 pm
llpoh says:
Stuck – as much as it is tempting, I do not wish RE any ill-will. It is one of the major differences between the civilized and him. I have on occasion even wished him long-life and happiness – which he also threw back at me claiming long life is a sin. His desire for destruction of the majority of humanity is truly worrying.
This shit is truly growing old. I am sure we should all just give in and worship RE the Magnificent, all-powerful, all-knowing, and judge of all, with the power and prescience to decide who goes to heaven and who goes to hell. What a load of shit.
Muck – I agree that RE was not quite so over the top as usual. But did you not read where I am damned to everlasting torment? Please do not then say he doesn’t deserve the blasting and ridicule he gets, as it is unbelievably arrogant.
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1st February 2011 at 8:02 pm
Smokey says:
MuckAbout —– “For some reason, 90% of the comments on this post have charged off the subject line just to beat up RE. (Not that he doesn’t deserve it now and again, just not this time.) ”
What a goddamn ignorant statement. Did you even read the fucking article? I just scanned it. RE called out LLPOH no less than thirteen times. He impugned the integrity of LLPOH and condemned him to hell.
The majority of the article was motherfucking LLPOH.
Why don’t you engage your fucking brain before you post ?
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1st February 2011 at 8:07 pm
llpoh says:
Smokey – I seem to have made an indelible impression on RE. I am the physical embodiment of that which he most hates. I am also the physical embodiment of the argument that destroys his every argument. Capitalism can work, hard work , education and good ethics can pay off, employees can be treated with respect and dignity, and good things can grow from that which he most hates. He cannot stand that, as his whole argument is to the contrary. To him there are no alternatives -it MUST end in destruction and death. It is impossible to him to think that people and businesses can ever adapt. Sure, the world is headed for deep shit. But we can, and will, adapt to new circumstance. I do not know what it will look like in 50 or 100 years. It certainly will not be tribalism. I expect it to still be capitalism, but without the rampant destruction of the environment that has happened, and with cleaner energy sources, and better recycling systems, etc. The population is forecast to begin to collapse in coming decades, and will eventually reach a new equilibrium. There needn’t be Armageddon. That simply isn’t acceptable to him, tho.
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1st February 2011 at 8:21 pm
StuckInNJ says:
I don’t wish him ill either. In fact, I have defended him on several occasions — especially on the old site, specifically when the poster known as TLaCour would blast him. Of course, Smokey and others would then blast me for being a turncoat rat bastard traitor. Ahhh .. such is the life of a Peacemaker!
What I hate about RE is despite his detailed loooong posts is that he reverts to huge generalizations. For eaxample, he says about you; —– “He does not accept the idea that the Wealth he sieved from the system came at the expense of impoverished people all over the world.
Holy shit, Batman!!! YOU … yes, YOU!!! made your money off the WORLD’S impoverished people!! You sir, are one powerful muthafucker! I don’t know how you put up with that shit.
I also hate that RE won’t admit what he is. He hates rich people carte blanche. He hates the very idea of accumulating more than you need. He hates the idea of employers. OK, fine, RE (I know you’re reading this) … but why don’t you just fucking admit it instead of denying it, or telling me to read for comprehension. You’re a Big Fat Commie at heart, RE. Admit it and we have peace. Just don’t give me any of that Tribalism Potluck crapola.
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1st February 2011 at 8:23 pm
llpoh says:
Stuck – I am sure I would have had more to say if had read more. I missed the part about where I subjugate the impoverished of the world. Geez, I am virtually omnipotent and didn’t even know it. I should change my moniker to LLPOH the Impaler! As before, he has no cogent argument, and so must resort to the tactics you describe. Mostly now I poke fun at him a bit, and occassionally highlight the truths you have mentioned. And yes, I have had trouble discerning his “tribalism” views from Communism. If he owned up to that, he would be covered in shit attacks at every turn. Maybe even his alter ego English Rose would turn on him.
RE – for all of the insults I missed – go fuck yourself 13 times.
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1st February 2011 at 8:37 pm
Reverse Engineer says:
First off, *I* do not Damn LLPOH to Hell, I am trying to SAVE him from that fate. He damns HIMSELF to Hell if he does not repent. I can’t Save everybody, but I have made LLPOH my Poster Child in the Save a Capitalist campaign. Sort of like “Jerry’s Kids”, LLPOH is one of “RE’s Capitalists”.
Now, insofar as hating Wealth goes, of course I do, I admitted that a long time ago, this is not news. I consider the love of money to be the root of all Evil. Its not Communist because I am more anti-Statist than just about anyone on this board! How can you have Communism with no Central State? I would like to see the Federal and State Goobermints all abolished, which makes it damn hard to run a Communist state you morons.
Anyhow, Muckabout is correct, LLPOH, Smokey and Stuck aren’t interested in debating what I actually wrote, but rather just pitch out napalm I will answer the other more important questions posed by Claymobile a bit later tonight or tomorrow.
RE
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1st February 2011 at 9:26 pm
llpoh says:
I am glad to have a sponsor. Jerry is one of my favorite human beings. He should be worshiped for what he has done for kids. I think he has raised over a billion dollars for them. If he is the lousiest bastard on earth in all other ways, he deserves a special place in heaven for his work for the kids.
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1st February 2011 at 9:35 pm
Punk in Drublic says:
First off, *I* do not Damn LLPOH to Hell, I am trying to SAVE him from that fate. He damns HIMSELF to Hell if he does not repent.
That is the kind of bullshit circular logic that makes me hate religion. You’re not just a tribalist fuckstick, you are a self righteous “vessel of god” holier than thou tribalist fuckstick. Get off your high horse, saint shitbag.
Nice read, by the way. I too, like the pictures.
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1st February 2011 at 9:58 pm
llpoh says:
Punk – I was gonna give you a thumbs up, but you dicked yourself out of it at the end. Remember, I am the final arbiter of you promotion to big dog status. After that ending, this is where you currently stand:
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1st February 2011 at 10:28 pm
llpoh says:
Punk – you were up to this stage, but you have digressed:
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1st February 2011 at 10:38 pm
Smokey says:
Punk,
You have no one to blame but yourself. This is llpoh’s call.
Keep fucking up and you’ll stay outside with the pups.
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1st February 2011 at 10:53 pm
Punk in Drublic says:
You bastards keep dangling that “promotion” over my head like a sprig of mistletoe, then get upset when I kiss you. If it is even up for discussion then I am there, I simply need to complete the final ritual and crush a noobie. I already shot a few rounds across Shadows’ nose, having decided that he is a little to cocky for his own good. One day soon, he will come round these parts and find me waiting for him.
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1st February 2011 at 11:09 pm
Punk in Drublic says:
Dammit.
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1st February 2011 at 11:16 pm
llpoh says:
Punk – You take two steps forward, three steps back.
First, you have got to be able to motherfuck someone without crabbing backwards afterwards. Saying “that is one ugly suit, but nice tie” just doesn’t cut it. You gotta say it is one ugly fucking suit and leave it at that.
Second, you have to run a “noobie” off crying and wailing for momma. We will probably help, but it still counts. Gotta watch out for the Admin tho, he is like a heat seeking missile and blows them up before we get a chance sometimes, and then cries about his membership numbers not growing as fast as he wants. He doesn’t understand the idea of “benevolent dictator”.
And finally, you are gonna have to fight the big dogs tooth and nail. You are gonna have to call SSS a liberal, pot smoking, booger eating spook, you are gonna have to get right in Stuck’s shit, and you are gonna hafta side with the Israeli’s on any of the middle -east threads that the admin posts. And for your final exam, you are gonna hafta call the two Paul’s liberal, gay, lying pussies.
Now, we can vary these a bit, if you seize opportunities as they arise. But so long as Avalon comes is happy to slap you around on occasion, you have a ways to go.
I’m pulling for you, but they will yank my credentials if they see I let chihuahuas run with the big dogs.
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1st February 2011 at 11:25 pm
Punk in Drublic says:
ONCE!
One time Avalon gave me an ever so slight nudge to the ribs.
Besides, who else has Avalon been so unkind to? Who else can claim to have provoked She who married the Administrator. Not since I have lurked and began posting has anyone achieved what I have. Some have tried, and She just wraps them in rainbows. She was even nice to DP when he was thumbs downing her all the time.
Name one other poster who has matched this feat. Name him, and I will slay him in your honor.
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1st February 2011 at 11:51 pm
llpoh says:
Punk – just so I understand, you want us to forget that the most kind and gentle soul around not only decided that you are an easy target, but proceeded to kick the crap out of you without even mussing her hair?
Hmmm. Good luck with that. You may overcome this embarrassment but it will live on in the memory of all who witnessed it.
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1st February 2011 at 12:25 am
Smokey says:
Punk,
You could do yourself a favor by thanking llpoh for giving you audience now instead of twenty years from now.
Rules for entrance are firm but fair. We refuse to sacrifice our integrity simply to admit someone who is beneath our admittedly exalted levels of blog warfare. There is a reason we are the big dogs.
llpoh has been kind enough to give you several hints. His counsel on the Pauls is golden. Only when you unequivocally bash a newbie or two, and then gloat about it, will llpoh seriously consider you for admission.
You could help yourself enormously by observing the Administrator, and when he is on the wrong end of a savage beat down, piling on to finish him off.
I offer these few pointers not to throw the game, but to keep you in it. I will be thankful if you join our ranks at some point, but only when you earn it. We are the big dogs for a reason. We do not need nor will accept a fucking cur.
Govern yourself accordingly.
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1st February 2011 at 1:06 am
newsjunkie says:
Admin is the Saint Bernard, Smokey is the Bull Mastiff, Punk is the lovable Lab.
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1st February 2011 at 9:11 am
Reverse Engineer says:
@Punk
Since the whole Religious Zealot/Chattaqua Preacher style I like to use in making my arguments and the inherent irony in them seems to have escaped you, I will make it EXPLICIT for you and the rest of the metaphorically challenged on this board.
You cannot make an argument on TBP, nor really any board that allows as much Free Speech as this one does without simply getting bombarded with ad hom arguments and all sorts of Napalm. Particularly popular here are homophobic insults from repressed homosexuals with a small phallus like Smokey. KUDOS to JimQ on his tenacious adherence to the principle of Free Speech, it is WHY I write on this board despite the fact my viewpoint is quite despised by the Group Think.
Anyhow, I find all the Homophobia and Scatological references tossed about by the Group Napalm Artists to be pretty dull material, I could care less how big Smokey’s Dick is or how much Shit he will consume on a Daily Basis, or if he even has a Penis that still can achieve an erection. My preferred CHOICE in the area of Napalm is to rev up the Almighty Wrath of GOD, and bring Hellfire and Damnation onto the pages of TBP. By NO MEANS am I the Biblical Pro that Stucky is, but I do have Google at my disposal and I DO know at least a few of the basic principles espoused in the Bible, like the one that says it would be more likely for a Camel to Pass through the Eye of a Needle than for a Rich man to pass into the Kingdom of Heaven. That is a pretty clear statement to me indicating that Rich People are EVIL. Good people go to Heaven, Rich people do not go to Heaven unless they squeak through Needle Eyes, thus Rich People are EVIL. Very clear logical sequence there. Poor=Good, Rich=Evil. Very clear in the Bible that this is true. Jesus was Poor, RIGHT? Jesus was GOOD, right? Being Poor is EXALTED in the Bible! If you are Poor you are GOOD, if you are Rich you are EVIL. This is very clear material, you do not even have to read the subtext to GET IT. The Bible says it EXPLICITLY. Over and Over again. The Meek Shall Inherit the Earth, yadda yadda. You don’t BELIEVE the Bible? Good grief man, it was written over MILLENIA by people who experienced civilization collapses and all the rest, they GOT it. Its not likely that every last thing written in there is TRUE, its been rewritten and edited to beat the band, but this point is hammered down on so hard and so often not even editorial rewrites took it out. Rich=Evil, Poor=Good! BELIEVE IT!
Blaming ME for delivering the MESSAGE here is ridiculous. I am just repeating a Biblical Injunction for the Modern Era. Blame God, blame the Bible, don’t blame ME for it! It is not MY fault that LLPOH is condemned to Everlasting Damnation as a result of being Rich, this is HIS fault, not mine. He has the choice to REPENT and give away his wealth at any time to help the Poor, I am not stopping him from doing that, it is HIS CHOICE. I gave away most of my wealth which is FAR less than what he has to give away, so who is operating here in closer tandem with Biblical injunctions with regards to Wealth? I want LLPOH to be SAVED, not CONDEMNED to Everlasting Damnation Burning in the Fires of Hell. I am trying to HELP him! His Eternal Soul hangs in the balance here! Time is running short and I am doing as much as I can to bring him into the Kingdom of Heaven, but his Alzheimer’s problems make this very difficult. I haven’t given up the fight though, he can STILL be SAVED! Time is running out though.
Anyhow, LLPOH’s Eternal Soul is only a small part of the greater questions we are concerned with here, and Claymobile’s questions speak more to the real issues. I will start a Part II of this thread to answer those questions, since this one has already disappeared from the recent posts list.
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1st February 2011 at 1:19 pm
Welshman says:
RE – You seem to think God is on your side. After the factory picture and dumping shit on LLPOH too many times as the evil capitalist, I thought the article lost balance. It was well written, but you come off like a person on Pol Pot death counsel in Cambodia.
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1st February 2011 at 1:55 pm
Punk in Drublic says:
A one word reply to your post.
Bullshit.
As a believer and preacher of the idea of damnation, as a participant in the spiritual quest of delivering us all to the holy utopia of poverty and/or an early death, Yes. You are damning people. You are spewing your personal belief system, claiming to be the messenger of the big dick in the sky doesn’t absolve you from shit.
This is how Punk treats messengers.
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1st February 2011 at 1:56 pm
Reverse Engineer says:
@Welshman
I didn’t write the article to be “balanced”. My presentations are never “balanced”, they are thoroughly one sided. I am not writing for the MSM. I could have left out the Chattaqua stuff but its fun to see what kind of Napalm he will write in response so I pitch some in on my posts just to stir the pot.
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1st February 2011 at 2:46 pm
Punk in Drublic says:
RE
I am still waiting on an Abbie Hoffman article…. If you wanted to really stir the pot you could draw some connections between Julian Assange and Abbie Hoffman. The modern day digital anarchist hero. Or Something.
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1st February 2011 at 2:58 pm
Reverse Engineer says:
I haven’t come up with a real good theme for an Abbie Hoffman article, but at least so far Julian Assange is no Abbie Hoffman. Big DUD as far as BofA revelations he was going to disclose. Abbie on the other hand turned the Chicago 7 trial into an all time great media circus. Anyhow, maybe I’ll get an inspiration on this one of these days.
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1st February 2011 at 3:13 pm