Ron knows how it works in the real world. The government declares a war on drugs and promises to keep you safe from this terrible scourge on society. Before long they are kicking in your door without a search warrant, shooting innocent citizens, and imprisoning millions of minor criminals. The War on Drugs is complete bullshit. It is just another excuse for those in power to take away our liberty and freedom.
So much for a calm weekend on TBP. This will surely ruin SSS’ golf game. I can see him slicing into the trees on the 1st hole.
End the War on Drugs
by Ron Paul
We have recently heard many shocking stories of brutal killings and ruthless violence related to drug cartels warring with Mexican and US officials. It is approaching the fever pitch of a full blown crisis. Unfortunately, the administration is not likely to waste this opportunity to further expand government. Hopefully, we can take a deep breath and look at history for the optimal way to deal with this dangerous situation, which is not unprecedented.
Alcohol prohibition in the 1920s brought similar violence, gangs, lawlessness, corruption and brutality. The reason for the violence was not that making and selling alcohol was inherently dangerous. The violence came about because of the creation of a brutal black market which also drove profits through the roof. These profits enabled criminals like Al Capone to become incredibly wealthy, and militantly defensive of that wealth. Al Capone saw the repeal of Prohibition as a great threat, and indeed smuggling operations and gangland violence fell apart after repeal. Today, picking up a bottle of wine for dinner is a relatively benign transaction, and beer trucks travel openly and peacefully along their distribution routes.
Similarly today, the best way to fight violent drug cartels would be to pull the rug out from under their profits by bringing these transactions out into the sunlight. People who, unwisely, buy drugs would hardly opt for the back alley criminal dealer as a source, if a coffeehouse-style dispensary was an option. Moreover, a law-abiding dispensary is likely to check IDs and refuse sale to minors, as bars and ABC stores tend to do very diligently. Think of all the time and resources law enforcement could save if they could instead focus on violent crimes, instead of this impossible nanny-state mandate of saving people from themselves!
If these reasons don’t convince the drug warriors, I would urge them to go back to the Constitution and consider where there is any authority to prohibit private personal choices like this. All of our freedoms – the freedom of religion and assembly, the freedom of speech, the right to bear arms, the right to be free from unnecessary government searches and seizures – stem from the precept that you own yourself and are responsible for your own choices. Prohibition laws negate self-ownership and are an absolute affront to the principles of freedom. I disagree vehemently with the recreational use of drugs, but at the same time, if people are only free to make good decisions, they are not truly free. In any case, states should decide for themselves how to handle these issues and the federal government should respect their choices.
My great concern is that instead of dealing deliberatively with the actual problems, Congress will be pressed again to act quickly without much thought or debate. I can’t think of a single problem we haven’t made worse that way. The panic generated by the looming crisis in Mexico should not be redirected into curtailing more rights, especially our second amendment rights, as seems to be in the works. Certainly, more gun laws in response to this violence will only serve to disarm lawful citizens. This is something to watch out for and stand up against. We have escalated the drug war enough to see it only escalates the violence and profits associated with drugs. It is time to try freedom instead.
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RON PAUL IN 2012!
Where do I get my signs and banners for my front yard?
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Uh-oh. The shit is gonna hit the fan. Time to get out the popcorn.
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I just ruined SSS’ weekend. BWAAHHHAAAAA!!!
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19th June 2011 at 8:34 am
Hope@ZeroKelvin says:
The estimated profit for marijuana growing is north of $! MILLION DOLLARS PER ACRE. Why do you think the Mexican drug cartels have enuf moola to mount a serious challenge to not only the govt of Mexico but to our own?
Legalizing marijuana would, in a single stroke, cut the legs out from under the cartels. We would also have a mellower populace that might handle the upcoming crash a wee bit better. I would have an alternative source of income for when medicine goes tits up. The CIA would have to find something else to do besides their drug trafficing, like finding out if those crazy Iranians actually have a fucking nuclear bomb.
In all my years of medical training in the Texas Medical Center, which is the largest medical center in the US, I never had marijuana smokers screaming in my face or puking on my shoes at three am.
Now, meth, coke, pcp should remain illegal, way to destructive physically, but if people had a legal alternative, I’ll bet usage of these would drop dramatically.
Dude, where’s my Armageddon?
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Punk in Drublic says:
Pot makes you lazy.
It is escapism, which our society has a severe problem with. In most cases, a pot head will simply curl up on the couch to eat a large pizza and watch Pink Floyd’s The Wall for the 50th time, rather than go out into public and cause trouble or watch the news.
I do not believe that it represents a danger to society, not in the same way that meth or heroin or coke does. I can admit, though, that it certainly doesn’t help our situation. Potheads are easily led and are generally clueless as far as critical thinking. The danger represented by marijuana is a dumbed down populace, not so much a violent one.
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Punk
Is it possible to dumb down the population more?
We should declare a War of the Public School System so we can make everyone smart.
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19th June 2011 at 10:20 am
StuckInNJ says:
Whenever the government declares, “War on fill-in-the-blank”, you can rest assured that “war” will be lost.
War on Poverty: how’s THAT working out?
War on Obesity: bwahahahaha!
War on Illiteracy: LMAO
War on Drugs: Complete and utter failure.
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But, hey, we did kick the LIVING SHIT out of Greneda !!!!
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19th June 2011 at 10:42 am
Welshman says:
Hemp has hundreds of uses. George Washington grew hemp. Marijuana legalization got 45+% vote in California, and hopefully only a matter of time before it is legalized. Hope is right, It would cut the drug cartel’s legs off at the knees.
The silver lining in marijuana legalization, it would educate people on how to grow things. Being a good gardener is not easy and would gives our fat asses some physical workout.. There would be a lot of mellow gardeners on the weekends.
Where I live you can grow medical marijuana with a perscription from any doctor and a permit. It is alot of silliness to make something that is illegal to legal to grow.
Ron Paul would be such a blast of fresh air in this country. He scraps away the bull shit and lets the light of day shine on so many things that government hold sacred in controlling our liberty.
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Hey Welshman, check this out:
http://www.naihc.org/hemp-information/286-hemp-facts
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19th June 2011 at 11:51 am
AwholeDr says:
I don’t know if you’ve heard of these guys:
LEAP: Law enforcement against prohibition
http://www.leap.cc/
Cops advocating ending the war on drugs. I’m amazed the Gestapo hasn’t put them in Gitmo and closed down their website.
The DEA says: We won’t put you in jail as long as you take the drugs WE want you to take. But we will throw your doctor in jail for giving them to you.
True story: The DEA and local drug task force has SWAT raided and arrested three doctors where I live in the last four years. Two are now in jail, one is awaiting trial. There is nowhere to hide from the American Gestapo.
Enjoy your xanax and lortabs before they take them away also.
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19th June 2011 at 12:12 pm
AwholeDr says:
Stuck:
some data on “The war on poverty:
When Lyndon Johnson inaugurated the War on Poverty in 1964, he assured the public that ”. . .this investment [of tax dollars] will return its cost many fold to our entire economy.” Now that this “investment” has cost more than $15.9 trillion, and is costing another trillion dollars per year we should evaluate whether the returns have, in fact, been large.
Now, more than $16 trillion spent.and no end in sight:
According to President Obama’s budget projections, federal and state Welfare spending will total $10.3 trillion over the next 10 years (FY 2009 to FY 2018).
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StuckInNJ says:
From Reason.tv — a great website — a good video (4min 45 sec)
“No Knock Raid” – a song about the drug war’s deadliest tactic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pV7u91A3KGQ&feature=player_embedded#at=58
Face the facts folks. We live in a police state.
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From blacklistednews.com
The enemies of a free state — and a free people — are at it again. Not that they ever stopped, but a recent U.S. Supreme Court decision, along with a new directive within the FBI and a city council ordinance in Iowa. make it perfectly clear that the Fourth Amendment guarantee against unreasonable searches and seizures is a thing of the past.
The Supreme Court decision, issued in May based on a case from Kentucky, allows police officers to enter a residence without a warrant if they contend that they smelled marijuana or some other drug odor, knocked, identified themselves as police and then heard noises that sounded like evidence being destroyed.
Note the assumption that police really did smell drugs, as if police never lie.
Consider the case in Philadelphia during the 1990s when several officers from the same North Philly precinct were convicted of planting evidence on innocent people. This current ruling runs the risk of making the Philadelphia situation routine across the country.
The specifics in the Kentucky case are these: Police were following a suspect who allegedly sold crack cocaine to an informant. They followed him into an apartment building, but did not see which apartment he entered.
Smelling marijuana coming from one unit, the police knocked, identified themselves and then heard movement and a toilet flushing. So, the cops broke in and arrested the occupant who was not the suspect they were following. They did find some powdered cocaine so the man was arrested, tried, convicted, and sentenced to 11 years in prison.
The appellate process took the case to the U.S. Supreme Court, where Judge Samuel Alito Jr. said people don’t have to answer the door when police knock but if police hear movement and the toilet flush, officers may enter without the need for a warrant. In the 8-1 decision, Alito wrote that people who attempt to destroy evidence have only themselves to blame.
The lone dissent came from Justice Ruth Bader Ginsberg who said the court has now given police an easy way to ignore fundamental rights. The decision “arms the police with a way routinely to dishonor the Fourth Amendment’s warrant requirement in drug cases,” she wrote.
Compounding this insidious decision from last month is the FBI’s recent decision to permit agents to initiate any investigation or surveillance that they like without any need to show cause for the action.
Judge Andrew Napolitano, on his Freedom Watch program of June 13, said the new policy: “…would permit [FBI] agents on their own to follow and snoop on anyone they wanted, whether there was any suspicion of criminal activity about that person or not; that it would sort through the garbage of anyone it chose, whether there was any suspicious behavior on the part of whoever used the garbage or not; and that it would search any databases it felt like searching about anyone in whom it was interested, whether there was criminal suspicion about that person or not.”
(To read Napolitano’s complete commentary, go to http://www.foxbusiness.com/on-air/freedom-watch/2011/06/13/plain-truth-fbi#ixzz1PHrkAZzQ) Those two situations would be hideous enough, but now come the lawmakers from Cedar Falls, Iowa. In 2004, the city council in Cedar Falls enacted an ordinance that required lock boxes on commercial buildings and large apartment complexes. On June 13, the council voted 6-1 to expand the policy to include smaller apartment buildings. It went from a six-apartment minimum to a three-unit minimum.
Tenants are required to place a key to the apartment or property in a universal lock box that firefighters can access so, in case of a fire, they can enter without breaking down the door.
One woman speaking against the expanded measure said that if her apartment were on fire, she wouldn’t care about whether or not firefighters broke the door.
Another rationalization for the ordinance is that if there’s an EMS call, responders can gain access. Again, if it’s a matter of life or death, the door doesn’t matter. Even if it did, those in single dwellings should fork up keys, too. Don’t they deserve to be safe? Don’t their doors deserve the right to remain hinged?
Cedar Falls council members likely got the measure approved because it doesn’t affect the more affluent, those in better neighborhoods with nice houses. It focuses on the poorer in the community, those who rent.
When the law first passed seven years ago, nobody said a word, and now the ordinance has been expanded. Unless people get their act together and get the law overturned, it will expand again, likely to those single-family homeowners.
Think not? When the income tax went into effect in 1914, only those making more than $100,000 per year had to pay. Since nobody cared about the rights of the rich, now the middle class and working poor are paying that tax.
Asset-forfeiture laws were only to be used against organized crime members and drug runners, but forfeiture has been abused. Police across the country routinely confiscate cars and cash without ever charging a person with a crime.
The SCOTUS decision and the Iowa ordinance unfairly target people who live in apartments and condominiums. People in houses don’t have to give spare keys to Cedar Falls authorities — not yet anyway — and folks who live in single-family dwellings have a better chance of keeping suspicious odors from escaping.
To paraphrase Thomas Paine, those who fail to safeguard the rights of others whether it’s because of a difference in income, skin color, gender, or for any reason whatsoever will lose their rights, too.
Regardless, though, the FBI is watching whomever they want, for whatever reason they choose.
Free state or police state, it’s your choice.
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AwholeDr says:
Great stuff for a Saturday.
History repeats itself once again
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Come out and play.
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19th June 2011 at 1:02 pm
sss says:
I have a golf game this afternoon. You will not draw me into an argument.
Drugs are an immoral blight on America. Drug users are destroying this country. They all deserve to go to jail.
Go fuck yourselves.
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19th June 2011 at 2:05 pm
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“I have a golf game this afternoon. You will not draw me into an argument.
Drugs are an immoral blight on America. Drug users are destroying this country. They all deserve to go to jail.
Go fuck yourselves.”
That wasn’t me. My prose is much gentler. See MY comment above.
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19th June 2011 at 2:09 pm
StuckInNJ says:
sss
It is you who needs to “wake the fuck up”.
You have ZERO credibility on this issue. Not because of your particular viewpoint. But because you can not even acknowledge this clear and obvious fact: the war on drugs has failed.
So here is your opportunity to show you have a modicum of common sense on this issue. Will you at least admit that the government’s war on drugs has failed?
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19th June 2011 at 2:24 pm
Buckhed says:
SSS…when is the last time you read that a person broke into a house to support his alcohol problem ? You don’t because alcohol is cheap,run very well in my opinion by my state ( although I don’t like the monopoly they have on licensing) and is easily accessible . Even the ladies who fought for prohibition realized that making alcohol illegal caused more problems than it solved.
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19th June 2011 at 2:45 pm
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SSS slices into the woods because he is so distracted by the drug smackdown he is receiving.
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19th June 2011 at 3:02 pm
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Organized crime dealt in booze during the prohibition era. Does organized crime deal in booze today? NO. They deal in drugs. I wonder why.
$15 BILLION per year for what? What has the glorious WAR ON DRUGS accomplished? What was the mission? When will we declare victory?
Same government rhetoric whether it be terrorism, weapons of mass destruction or DRUGS.
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19th June 2011 at 3:07 pm
ecliptix543 says:
I don’t think any of us have said the government should run the biz of slinging buds, just that they need to get the fuck out of the way and quit sending perfectly peaceful and otherwise normal people to jail, ruining millions of lives and families, and wasting BILLIONS of dollars on this scam.
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19th June 2011 at 3:08 pm
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Nixon declares war on drugs before rolling a fat one.
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19th June 2011 at 3:18 pm
KaD says:
You may find this commentary interesting:
http://astrodynamics.net/blog/2011/05/28/the-war-on-drugs-is-the-war-on-consciousness/
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19th June 2011 at 3:29 pm
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http://www.democracynow.org/2011/6/6/dr_gabor_mat_obama_admin_should
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The Global Commission on Drug Policy is comprised of 19 members, including several former heads of state. A few days ago they released a detailed study which concluded the “war on drugs” has failed and that governments should consider legalizing substances, including marijuana.
The White House has refuted the findings of the commission’s report.
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There you have it. The White House and people like sss for whatever reason simply can not face the truth despite the mountains of evidence refuting their belief. Seriously, I think it must be some kind of mental disorder.
Mexico also has a war on drugs. Last year 35,000 people died in that war. But the US, Mexico, and sss-types will insist we are winning. Mental disorder at its best.
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19th June 2011 at 3:29 pm
Kill Bill says:
Fmr president Carter is pretty much on the same wavelength as RoPaul.
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19th June 2011 at 3:34 pm
Kill Bill says:
I think we should have a war on Canada because of its alcohol fueled hockey riots.
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19th June 2011 at 3:36 pm
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Stuck
SSS has a disorder just like these poor souls.
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19th June 2011 at 3:40 pm
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Gotta love google
The ad down the side of the page is for a drug treatment center.
Has anyone else gotten the homosexual ad, or is it just me?
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19th June 2011 at 3:43 pm
StuckInNJ says:
No homo ads.
But thanks to your cartoon post there’s a large ad for Kung Fu Panda II.
There’s also an scum lawyer claiming he can help me with ANY crime, and he takes Visa! His number is 570-342-4242. I didn’t click the link. But I did call to simply say, “Fuck lawyers!”. You should get ad revenue for that.
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19th June 2011 at 4:05 pm
SSS says:
Same old shitty, clueless comments on illegal drugs from the unwashed masses who populate this site.
Stucky
I spent 14 years in the CIA’s Counter Narcotics Center working on programs targetting drug cartels in Central and South America (I was not involved in Mexico). We had one success after another, but everyone involved knew it would be an ENDLESS process, but not a LOSING one. We dismantled and destroyed the Medellin Cartel, so the Cali Cartel moved to the head of the line. We dismantled and destroyed the Cali Cartel, so the Northern Valley Cartel moved to the head of the line. Starting to get the picture, Stucky? Endless, but not losing.
Bill Clinton, while he was busy slashing the Agency’s budget in any way he could, was so impressed that our budget was increased every year he was in office. I have more hands-on knowledge about international drug trafficking than everyone on this site combined. I KNOW what I’m talking about. I KNOW how the drug lords and the cartels operate. Now, what were you saying about my credibility?
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Thanks for the photo of me on the golf course. See that woman standing behind me laughing?That’s my wife. I don’t get no respect.
Your rationale on drugs and Prohibition completely ignores the fact that the major bootleggers during Prohibition were U.S. citizens living in the U.S. Illegal booze flowed freely, largely because Prohibition was unpopular with a large segment of society, but the big guys like Al Capone were easier to target because they lived here. In the end, prohibition failed because of a lack of support from society in general.
That’s not true with illegal drugs (society in general does NOT support legalization) and the major drug lords of today. They live and operate beyond our borders. They’re extremely wealthy, powerful, and cruel and can compromise poorly paid law enforcement in a heartbeat. “Plata o plomo?” Money or lead? The cops nearly always take the money. It’s not easy or cheap to go after those guys, but it can be done.
It will do absolutely no good to legalize drugs. The kingpins will not quit under any circumstance and will continue to control the market and just get richer. And the drugs will just spread even further into the fabric of society and take a lot of innocent victims while doing so. The results could be, and probably will be, disastrous.
Hot debate. What do you think?
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19th June 2011 at 4:10 pm
SSS says:
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If you keep making gay comments, you’re gonna get gay ads.
Hot debate. What do you think?
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19th June 2011 at 4:15 pm
Buckhed says:
Stuck the police are as bad the drug dealers.
Here’s a shake down by the police for money.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLIKS-xqe70
Here is another video of the cops shaking down people for money.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJd4Q4u5cqU&feature=related
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19th June 2011 at 4:17 pm
StuckInNJ says:
MENTAL ILLNESS TEST.
1) Look at the picture below.
If you see a banana you are OK.
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2) Look at the picture below.
If you see an apple you have SSS-Syndrome … (aka, Denying the Obvious Disease).
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19th June 2011 at 4:18 pm
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You’re married to Lacy Underall?
So we have Mexican cartels. We spend $15 billion per year and can’t keep it out of the U.S.?
Or do we really want it to come into the U.S. so the government can keep spending $15 billion per year?
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19th June 2011 at 4:21 pm
StuckInNJ says:
“We dismantled and destroyed the Medellin Cartel, so the Cali Cartel moved to the head of the line. We dismantled and destroyed the Cali Cartel, so the Northern Valley Cartel moved to the head of the line. Starting to get the picture, Stucky?”
Yes, I get the picture.
Cartels are destroyed. Other cartels replace them. They are replaced faster than you can destroy them. You admit this is an endless task.
We have a word for that process in my neck of the woods.
LOSING.
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19th June 2011 at 4:24 pm
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SSS and his crack CIA anti-drug team in training to take down the Medellin Cartel.
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19th June 2011 at 4:26 pm
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SSS aprehending drug lord. Did you make eye contact?
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19th June 2011 at 4:32 pm
SSS says:
I’m trying to watch the U.S. Open!!! Don’t you idiots have something better to do?
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19th June 2011 at 4:32 pm
Buckhed says:
SSS said:
1)It will do absolutely no good to legalize drugs.
Have the drugs gone away since they became illegal…nope. Are we any closer to ending drug use…nope. Are our prisons overloaded with low level non- violent drug offenders ….yep, of course they won’t be non-violent when they get out…they’ll learn from the best in prison.
2)The kingpins will not quit under any circumstance and will continue to control the market and just get richer.
Isn’t that what’s happening now….hmm how many alcohol king pins are violently killing people in the USA and Mexico….haven’t read about any of them. What happens when the profits go away from illegal drugs…I guess they do what Joe Kennedy did… get their offspring to go into politics or maybe they’ll do it themselves.
3) And the drugs will just spread even further into the fabric of society and take a lot of innocent victims while doing so. The results could be, and probably will be, disastrous.
No more disastrous than they are now. Will a few more people try drugs…perhaps but maybe the billions of dollars would be better spent on rehabilitation than imprisonment.I know the costs are a lot less for rehabilitation.
As the video’s I attached before show SSS…the cops don’t care about the drugs..they want the MONEY….just like the drug dealers !!!
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19th June 2011 at 4:37 pm
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I’m watching it too. Don’t you have a laptop?
Use your shoe computer.
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19th June 2011 at 4:39 pm
StuckInNJ says:
Please disregard this post. THIS IS A TEST.
I want to see what kind of ads appear to the right.
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adorable vagina, beautiful vagina, clean vagina, drab vagina, elegant vagina, fancy vagina, glamorous vagina, hairy vagina, gaping vagina, granny vagina, shaved vagina, tight vagina, MSM vagina, Merkel vagina, vagina bailout, vagina recovery, vagina anonymous, Philly cheese steak and vagina, democrats against vagina, tea part for vaginas, Lakeishafriedchicken vagina, a vagina in very pot.
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19th June 2011 at 4:40 pm
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I’m getting a Rand Paul ad. What does that tell you?
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19th June 2011 at 4:50 pm
Buckhed says:
Watch out…with raw milk becoming illegal ( SSS are you against illegal milk too ?) you never know what might be next. Big Brother is watching out for you !
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19th June 2011 at 4:50 pm
Buckhed says:
SSS…when he thinks about drugs becoming legal !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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19th June 2011 at 5:01 pm
Buckhed says:
What will happen if drugs are legal….I think this is me in the cartoon after the Peter Frampton concert in Austin,Texas…1976. I enjoyed the stuff I did..then I became adult…95% of the adult population will do the same if drugs become legal.
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Jim
A Rand Paul ad? LOL LOL
I got an ad for Philly Cheese Steaks. I clicked on the link. (You’re welcome)
Here is a pic of their buns.
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19th June 2011 at 5:14 pm
SSS says:
New ads: “Emerging Markets in Mexico” and “Gaining Control of Alcohol.”
Thickhed
“Are our prisons overloaded with low level non- violent drug offenders ….yep.” More bullshit from the pro-drug community. Depending on the amount of drugs they were caught with, most drug USERS, particularly marijuana smokers, get slaps on the wrist and fined. The overwhelming majority of drug offenders in prison, and I’m talking over 95% here, are there for a multitude of offenses, many of them connected to violence, such as murder and kidnapping, or for transporting huge quantities of drugs.
“No more disastrous than they are now. Will a few more people try drugs…perhaps” What’s your definition of “a few?” I’m betting it will be millions more drug users than we have today, with most of the newbies being young people. Great start on life, eh? But it’s LEGAL, right? Just what we need. Millions more drug zombies running around improving life for everyone they come in contact with.
No need to thank me for changing your screen name to Thickhed.
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AwholeDr says:
Let’s see:
if:
SSS was former CIA anti-drug agent.
Then:
1. Former Federal Employee/Belongs to union (organized criminals0
2. Retired at 50 with full benefits and pension
3. Now has time to watch and play golf, and probably works part-time on the side (unreported)
4. Is living the American dream at taxpayer expense.
5. Believes war on drugs is necessary (although endless) to rationalize own existence and not shoot himself in the head for an utterly wasted life.
Without the war on drugs he would have been……who knows, who cares.
Every government employee in this country is brainwashed into believing what they do is necessary.
From CDC website:
According to the Alcohol-Related Disease Impact (ARDI) tool, from 2001–2005, there were approximately 79,000 deaths annually attributable to excessive alcohol use. In fact, excessive alcohol use is the 3rd leading lifestyle-related cause of death for people in the United States each year.
Deaths from drugs (both illegal and prescription) are around 14,000 per year. Booze still kills many more people per year than drugs. And lets not forget the most addictive drug of them all: nicotine (legal).
Illegal drugs are already readily available everywhere in the U.S.A. Better to support a justice system with $200 billion per year. And give tens of thousands of thugs government jobs.
Until the government can regulate the appetite of Americans for drugs, they will be around. And the current treatment for drug addiction these days? Jail. Almost all funds for treatment have been wiped out completely. Don’t be pushing SSS too hard, or he’ll be eatin gun, should his massive ego start to crumble around him. Don’t hold your breath on that one. The self-righteous are incapable of considering anything that might threaten their ego.
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19th June 2011 at 5:23 pm
Mikeinaz says:
I’m getting Groupon, I guess that’s appropriate.
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19th June 2011 at 5:26 pm
Buckhed says:
SSS…I’ll change mine to Thickhead if you’ll change yours to Dickhead ?
Soo SSS…you need to READ…I said drug offenders…yes that’s low and high level drug dealers . So if we made drugs legal then all of the things you just listed would disappear…just like they did after prohibition.
Has anyone done a drive by shooting over a booze territory in your area SSS ?
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19th June 2011 at 5:33 pm
Buckhed says:
A Doc…based on the CDC and SSS thoughts we need to make Nicotine and Booze illegal…NOW before too many young kids get addicted…Remember as any good politicians would say ” Let’s do it for the CHILDREN” ! Hmmmm…when they make them illegal ….I’ll become a cigarette KING PIN!!!!
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19th June 2011 at 5:36 pm
StuckInNJ says:
“most drug USERS, particularly marijuana smokers, get slaps on the wrist and fined.” …. sss
Maybe true in SOME states like CA.
Complete and utter bullshit in most other states. Alabama, for example, allows for LIFE SENTANCES for most marijuana violations.
Facts. Let them be your friend, sss.
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19th June 2011 at 5:41 pm
Buckhed says:
Oh my God…I just read about an Amish Drive By….the witness said he heard..Clip,Clop,Clip,Clop,Bang,Bang,Clip,Clop, Clip,Clop…….the Amish are protecting their turf from the rest of the dairy farmers who want to sell the illegal liquid !
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19th June 2011 at 5:41 pm
AwholeDr says:
Admin: those pictures of Pooh et al with diagnoses belongs in a Hall of Fame someplace. Where did you get that?
I really get the feeling Stuck needs to get laid.
This thread is funny and tragic at the same time. I wasn’t around during the Nazis, but I imagine it would be like trying to argue with an SS officer, except we’d all be thrown in a concentration camp for our arguments. We may be yet.
I was around in the 70′s, before it became big business/money to go after drugs. Things seemed better then. You lived, did and learned from it. Now, it’s the jack-boot on the neck school of life. Not as much fun in any way.
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19th June 2011 at 5:43 pm
StuckInNJ says:
“Clip,Clop,Clip,Clop,Bang,Bang,Clip,Clop, Clip,Clop”
sss’s golf swing.
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19th June 2011 at 5:44 pm
StuckInNJ says:
“I really get the feeling Stuck needs to get laid.”
Not really.
I just had a Philly Cheese Steak sandwhich.
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19th June 2011 at 5:45 pm
Buckhed says:
A question for SSS and any others …… The Feds have no right to make drugs illegal. Why because those powers are not enumerated in the Constitution to them. That’s why they needed an amendment to the Constitution to make alcohol illegal.
Now I doubt the SCOTUS would agree now, since they believe that what Congress does is right 99.9% of the time.
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19th June 2011 at 5:49 pm
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AwholeDr
You might not get out alive after that post. I’m cringing waiting for the old man to return. He will respond with overwhelming firepower.
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19th June 2011 at 6:02 pm
AwholeDr says:
The battle-cry of the obese: food = sex. Just sayin’
Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness….. UNLESS you can create laws, hire tens of thousands of para-military “agents,” hundreds of thousands lawyers, prison workers, prison builders, judges. In that case, happiness is irrelevant.
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19th June 2011 at 6:02 pm
StuckInNJ says:
Is it time for me, The Judge, to declare the winner of this debate?
Or, is is soooo fucking obvious?
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19th June 2011 at 6:07 pm
AwholeDr says:
Remember these guys?
A simpler time.
Now:
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19th June 2011 at 6:09 pm
AwholeDr says:
Admin: where do I get one those pocket-rockets?
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19th June 2011 at 6:16 pm
AwholeDr says:
comment killa once again.
Sorry Stucky, I’m the one that needs to get laid.
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19th June 2011 at 6:46 pm
Buckhed says:
Why don’t we have a war that everyone would support.
A war on the Dickheads in Washington….that’s right we’ll make career politicians illegal and jail them all for their power addiction .The sentence will be two years in a cell listening to Jimmy Carter speeches 24/7 . After that we’ll castrate them like the did to the mentally incompetent in Virgina and then give them syphilis and won’t treat them like they did to the blacks in Tuskegee .
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19th June 2011 at 7:12 pm
Buckhed says:
SSS’s cat who helped with the war on drugs…..I bet he didn’t miss either !
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19th June 2011 at 7:15 pm
SSS says:
You people can just eat my shorts. You throw out complete bullshit with nothing to back it up. And I more than win the debate, Sticky. Fucking lightweights all over.
Here’s a sample from Sticky, ““most drug USERS, particularly marijuana smokers, get slaps on the wrist and fined.” …. sss “Maybe true in SOME states like CA.” No, Sticky, it’s true in nearly all states. Possession of a personal use amount of marijuana in Ohio nets you a $100 fine. New York is almost as lenient. And so on. Compare the various state laws on marijuana possession and DUI and see where the REAL Draconian laws are aimed at…………it’s DUI, sport.
@ AwholeDr
Not sure whether one of your comments is comparing me to an SS officer or not (“I wasn’t around during the Nazis, but I imagine it would be like trying to argue with an SS officer”). Enlighten me. Yes or no?
It may be best to refrain from making personal judgments about people if you don’t know anything about them……….I never belonged to a union (I despise government unions), I started contributing federal income taxes and Social Security taxes when I was 17 and continued through age 63, I do NOT need any of my pension income (take it away, I don’t give a shit) because my wife and I saved, invested wisely, and can live comfortably on our 401k’s. I could go on.
One more thing, shit-for-brains. You win the award (a lifetime subscription to this free Internet site) for the dumbest statement ever made on TBP, and I quote, “Until the government can regulate the appetite of Americans for drugs, they will be around.”
Jesus H. Christ!!! You advocate the government attempt to “regulate the appetite” of Americans for drugs? I made a serious mistake when I dubbed you Thickhed. I meant Pinhed.
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19th June 2011 at 8:25 pm
SSS says:
Ooops. Got that last comment directed at Dr. Asshole a little mixed up. Buckhed=Thickhed. The Brown Shit Chute=Pinhed.
Too much incoming fire. Nap time.
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19th June 2011 at 8:32 pm
Muck About says:
@SSS: I understand your frustration. Answer me this.. The “war on terror” is, of course, a forever war that will never end because an ever larger segment of the Federal government will become dependent upon fighting it.
Has 40 years of “war on drugs” been any more successful than the “war on terror” and are not ever increasing segments of the Federal (and state) governments dependent upon this “war” for funding and becoming dependent on fighting it?
Has either “war” worked? Are there fewer drug related criminals in jails now than 40 years ago? Is there less “terror” in the world since 9/11?
If, as you must honestly admit, these “wars” are not working, then what do you propose instead of more of the same? We are loosing freedoms daily, living by permission rather than choice because of these “wars”.
Give us some solutions. What can we do that works?
MA
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19th June 2011 at 8:43 pm
Buckhed says:
SSS…please pull your head out of your ass ( maybe you were doing your daily hemorrhoid count ?)
Nothing in your last post is attributed to me….all ADoc or Stuck….I guess your meds for your senile dementia haven’t come in huh ? By the way maybe we can make those illegal too, then you’ll have to sing happy birthday to remember your first name.
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19th June 2011 at 8:49 pm
ecliptix543 says:
SSS – I respect your style and viewpoint, as well as using the term shit-for-brains. I think that is a derisive phrase not used nearly enough as it is quite accurate for so many of the fuckstick politicians and other useless wastes of oxygen.
However, I must disagree with your opinion on legalization of weed. It is simply not the scourge of society that which people such as yourself may attempt to apply blanket characterizations. You are completely correct in the statement that DUI is punished in a far more draconian fashion, however, marijuana use just has not been demonstrated to be the root cause of violence or crime by the end users. The distribution and manufacturing sectors of the weed industry does contribute to violent crime due to the black market nature, no argument from me on that one.
My proposal would be to completely decriminalize the end users’ activities and allow the free market creation of legitimate distribution networks outside of and exclusive of the cartels that currently run the show. With the black market profit motive dissolved and a legal, free market system in place, I firmly believe that the benefits to the financial condition of the State’s budgets would be positively impacted due to reduced incarceration obligations, as well as significant reductions in violent crimes. If individual States still wished to criminalize this behaviour, let them amend their State Constitutions to reflect the will of their citizens. The Federal Government needs to stay out of it.
I look forward to debating you further on the issue at your leisure.
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19th June 2011 at 8:56 pm
Buckhed says:
Alabama drug laws:
Possession:
2.2 lbs or less misdemeanor 0 – 1 year $2,000
More than 2.2 lbs felony 1 – 10 years $5,000
Cultivation
2.2 lbs or less felony 3 years MMS, possible 10 – 99 years $25,000
2.2 to 100 lbs felony 5 years MMS* $50,000
100 to 500 lbs felony 15 years MMS* $200,000
More than 1000 lbs felony life MMS*
*Mandatory minimum sentence.
Sale
To minors felony 10 years – life
Within 3 miles of a school felony 5 years**
Within 3 miles of a public housing project felony 5 years**
**These sentences run consecutive to other sentences and cannot be probated.
Trafficking
1st offense felony 25 years – life $50,000 -$1,000,000
2nd offense felony life MMS*
*Mandatory minimum sentence.
Miscellaneous (paraphernalia, license suspensions, drug tax stamps, etc… )
Paraphernalia possession or sale misdemeanor 0 – 1 year $2,000
Paraphernailia sale to minor 3 or more years younger than the seller felony 2 – 20 years $10,000
Any conviction causes drivers license suspension for 6 months.
Details
Possession of marijuana is a criminal, arrestable offense. For possession of an amount of one kilogram (2.2 lbs) or less, the crime is a misdemeanor, punishable by up to one year in jail and a fine of up to $2,000.
For possession of any amount over one kilogram, the crime is a felony, punishable by 1 – 10 years in prison and a fine of up to $5,000.
The sale, cultivation or manufacture of marijuana is a felony offense. If the amount is one kilogram or less, the mandatory minimum sentence is three years in prison and a fine of up to $25,000. For an amount greater than one kilogram but less than 100 lbs, the sentence is a minimum of five years in prison and a fine of up to $50,000. For an amount up to 500 lbs, the sentence is a minimum of 15 years in prison and a fine of up to $200,000. Any amount of 1,000 lbs or greater is punishable by life without the possibility of parole.
Looks like some pretty stiff penalties for low volume sales to me. So I’m a kid…selling a few bags of weed per day and the cops come to my house and find 2.2 pounds….bang the slammer for at least 3 years or longer. Growing it….2.2 ponds or less up to 99 years but at least three years…Hmm if my memory is right you can get about 1.5 pounds per plant so two plants puts me over 2.2 pounds….ouch….5 years in the slammer at least and maybe longer.
Sell a bong you made in your ceramics class to a minor….2 to 20 years.
I like how the mandatory minimum for selling dope near a housing project is 5 years…I mean how many white people do you see selling dope in the projects…..remember in Alabama yah’ gotta’ keep them negro’s in their place.
Yep SSS…you’re right a slap on the wrist for low level sales. Trust me 5 pounds is low level.
I’ve searched all over the internet and I haven’t found a major KINGPIN arrest anywhere…I thought the DEA was after the drug lords…..guess they are hiding in the same places OBL was !!!!
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19th June 2011 at 9:13 pm
SSS says:
Damnit. Another “Let’s Pile on SSS and Kick His Egotistical Ass” thread. Muck and ecliptix543 join the fray.
Happy, Admin? I know in your heart of hearts you don’t like this drug shit anymore than I do, but I’ll leave it at that.
I gotta go grill some steaks. Back later.
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19th June 2011 at 9:32 pm
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SSS
I’ve never taken drugs and don’t want my sons to take drugs.
But you have to admit what we’ve done since 1971 has not worked. I lean toward treatment over imprisonment. There is no simple answer. As usual.
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19th June 2011 at 10:02 pm
AwholeDr says:
SSS:
Where to start? You must have your sarcasm filter on. It’s an obvious joke that the government can regulate anything, except more spending. They, however, believe they can regulate American’s appetite for drugs by making them illegal and providing serious jail time. Hows that worked out? The jails are filled with small time drug users. Our “justice system” costs $200 billion per year, and 2.5 million people are in jail, the largest percentage now for drugs. 1 out of every 8 government employees works in corrections. The problem IS the American appetite for drugs, and booze, and cigarettes, and food, not trying to take them away or make them illegal. Your only explanation is drug users are degenerates who deserve to be jailed and/or eliminated. Why do we have such a large spiritual hole in this country that needs to be filled with the above mentioned items?
I did not imply you were an SS officer, only argue like one. People, not just TBP gang-bangers, are realizing we are becoming, as a society, more and more like fascists and plutocrats. Never a good thing. Fascists can’t be reasoned with, and neither can you.
The personal attack stands. I noticed you were nice enough to return the favor. You again went off on a self-righteous rant, about not joining a union, saving for retirement, and your age at retirement. You are, however, better than most government employees in some respects. Maybe it makes it easier to live with yourself. The self-righteous, are, by definition, always right (in their own mind).
Your war on drugs is a government lackeys wet dream. Forget the strippers and 18 year olds, an endless, useless, black-hole of money spending. Infinite pay-grade increases, job security, promotions, private DEA jets, boats, big guns. Did I mention endless spending? Especially, as you say, across U.S. borders. It could go on for decades (it has), accomplish nothing, and cost taxpayers trillions. A double wet dream in that it can put millions of Americans into bondage, literally and figuratively.
I have children, and they are going to try drugs, whether I like it or not. I cannot watch them 24/7. Do I want them assaulted by a DEA agent, tried and jailed for smoking a joint? Maybe they won’t try drugs, I can only hope. There are worse things, like the culture that sets up around illegal activity. I don’t want them around these people, but the war on drugs has created this culture by having drug prohibition. They are the dangerous element, not the drugs themselves. It’s time to put them out of business. Nothing else has worked, it’s time to end prohibition. If it doesn’t work, it can always be reinstated. I’m certain once drugs are legal, half the people will quite using them since they are no longer doing something illegal, with all the fun and excitement that provides. Ending drug prohibition would change the entire criminal structure of this country. Tens of thousands of lawyers, judges, and paramilitary thugs.would be out of work.
My kids are going to drink someday also. Statistically, they are 6-7 times more likely to die from drinking. If they start smoking, I will kick their ass to the moon, I kid you not. I enjoy a good argument. At the end of the day, the enemy is us, the U.S., Washington is the biggest threat to our national sovereignty. But that’s another argument.
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19th June 2011 at 10:36 pm
AwholeDr says:
and don’t be so fucking serious….lighten up….
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19th June 2011 at 10:53 pm
KaD says:
The US government is and has been implicit in getting drugs into the country:
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/092206_caracas_washington_summary.shtml
Why the hell does anyone think we’re in Afghanistan?
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/121103_afghan_poppy.html
I’m personally upset at the way small time users of marijuana are treated; particularly a friend of mine who’s a severely disabled Vietnam Veteran. He has attacks of severe pain; so bad he can’t even be touched. The cops caught him with one joint on him and put him in jail for the night were he had a stroke. He lost his car, paid loads in fines and had to go on parole. He had to go to meetings across town over the (Cleveland) winter with no car; and the cold affects his condition badly. The police later showed up unannounced and broke his damn door down to search for more pot. This guy is on a very limited income; he can’t afford this shit. He’s a veteran to boot, a damn hero who put his life on the line for the country, unlike so many in office who took deferrments. He didn’t deserve to be treated like that.
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19th June 2011 at 10:53 pm
llpoh says:
I am with SSS. All we need is a bunch of potheads gathering on every streetcorner and on the curb outside our houses and in front of every office building. Now wouldn’t that be nice?
Not.
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19th June 2011 at 11:54 pm
Buckhed says:
SSS…I’ll ask you as one question as Muck did.
[size=25]What is your answer to the drug problem ? [/size]
Putting even users in prison for life isn’t an answer.
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19th June 2011 at 11:57 pm
Jiggerjuice says:
THC isn’t a carcinogen. Vaporizing at about 400 degrees F or cooking THC into oil and eating it poses pretty much no health risks.
Your brain has cannibus receptors in them. The only time they activate is when there’s cannibus in your bloodstream. You could therefore say that evolution gave all races of people cannibus receptors because of the reason evolution gave us anything, namely, cannibus helps the species. Your cannibus receptors really don’t do a goddamn thing your whole life otherwise. THAT is what you call “untapped” brain resources. You could also, if so inclined, say God gave us cannibus receptors because He meant for us to use them, just as the rest of His creation is perfect etc etc. Interestingly enough, many animals have cannibus receptors too. Ask yourself – why can so many animals get high? Is there something about it that is an advantage across species? Mammals just happen to get that magical tingle from one special plant randomly?
Driving drunk is a disaster waiting to happen, probably across multiple lanes. Driving high – less tense than driving sober.
Anyway, it’s all just Huxley… Soma is soma. Everyone has a soma. Even hypocrites.
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19th June 2011 at 12:29 am
SSS says:
Muck and Buckhed, et al
I don’t have a solution to ending the “War” on Drugs, other than to stand at the gate and fight this evil assault on our society. As we are doing. Do you have a solution to the “War on Murder, Armed Robbery, and Rape”? I didn’t think so. Same conundrum you’re putting me in.
Admin
I never said what we’re doing is “working,” whatever the hell the definition of that word is vis a vis drugs. What I am saying is that what we’re doing against illegal drugs is a helluva lot better than rolling over and legalizing drugs.
BTW, Ron Paul should just shut up about illegal drugs. It’s one of the premier issues that pundits use to put him in the “fringe” category. The public is overwhelmingly against legalizing drugs. Overwhelmingly. He favors it. Equals fringe. So just shut up!!!!
Hot debate. What do you think?
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19th June 2011 at 12:34 am
Buckhed says:
My cannabis receptors always told me to go to Taco Bell……I always listened and a few hours later I had to make a “Run for the border “…..damn no toilet paper !!!!
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19th June 2011 at 12:36 am
Buckhed says:
As you’ve pointed out SSS murder,robbery et.al have always been against the law and we haven’t snuffed them out either.
The difference in the war on drugs is that a vice should never be a crime . Parting of any of the delights of the flesh are that… vices. Whether it be prostitution,drug use,alcohol use or anything else I should be allowed to do it…as long as I don’t impinge on your freedom or harm you.
Remember if there is no victim…there is no crime. Without drugs being illegal they’d be subject to the same transactions that take place every day at a liquor store.
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19th June 2011 at 12:45 am
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Buckhed says:
A vice I like !
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19th June 2011 at 12:58 am
howard in nyc says:
so, sss. you and the agency worked to interdict the flow of drugs into the homeland.
was this prior to the agency bringing drugs into the homeland themselves? or after they had stopped importing drugs?
or was it simultaneous. you were down there kicking medillin ass, while fellow spooks were shipping the white stuff into southern cali (heh, cali here, cali there).
just wondering. and thinking that juxtaposition may be the best representation of the insanity of drug prohibition and the war thereon.
every single evil that you forecast would result from legalization already exists, despite prohibition. on a massive scale. there is no greater ‘nothing to lose’ situation imaginable than legalization. and i’m talking hard drugs, not just weed.
as for the government’s ability to tax and regulate; they seem to do a pretty good job with tobacco and alcohol. they do know how to collect taxes.
sorry. there is no sensible, rational argument to continue this folly. none whatsoever. many more lives are lost and destroyed as a direct result of the illegality of and war upon drugs than could possibly occur under legalization. the human cost has been over the past 40 years and continues to be so monumental, it is insanity not to even attempt legalization–just to see what would happen. again, it could not be worse.
of course, alternative approaches have been attempted on small and large scale in other countries (netherlands, portugal, trials in the uk, safe injection site and heroin-assisted treatment programs in europe). and many approaches so successful, repeating the exercises here is of course out of the question. the alternatives are not even discussed here in the usa–kinda like self-immolation protests.
my god, we are a stupid fucking country.
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19th June 2011 at 2:45 am
Surly1 says:
Drugs will continue to remain illegal and our Glorious War On Drugs fully in place because the CIA needs the off-books money.
Too many local law enforcement operations depend upon the sales of assets seized in “drug interdiction operations” for operating dollars to declare a truce any tim esson.
All part of the pleasure of living in a police state.
Marijuana will be made legal when and only when a means is devised to get Big Pharma to control the business, and the profits.
I have a high capacity for tolerating bullshit (I log in here every day) but spare me the fucking sanctimony.
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19th June 2011 at 6:27 am
Novista says:
ENDLESS … thank you for that, SSS. I guess you despise LEAP. And I recall never seeing any responses in the past to my comments about the Portugal experience.
“The public is overwhelmingly against legalizing drugs.” Yeah, right. They really, really want the ENDLESS war on drugs, forever, just as much as they want Afghanistan to continue ad infinitum.
Times have changed, buddy, and your assertion is in the past. But I guess you don’t perceive any of the myriad articles, reports, statistics of how the attitude is changing. Maybe you can blame it on the GFC or something.
At least you’ve got llpoh on your team — he truly believes legalization would create a nation of junkies. Funny how that never happened in the late 19th C when everything was available at your local pharmacy.
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19th June 2011 at 7:37 am
Hope@ZeroKelvin says:
Wait a min. I am in favor of marijuana legallization, with the same restrictions for its use as alcohol.
But I am not in favor of legalization of cocaine, meth ot pcp. Those drugs are way too physically destructive and people using them are way too violent and crazy.
However, rather than spending trillions going after producers in other countries, perhaps it makes more sense to go after the consumers in a smarter way, change the appetite for drugs by penalizing use in a way that does not lead to prisons full of nonviolent drug users and a police state.
If a person gets caught with coke, meth, pcp AND has not otherwise engaged in a serious felony or been violent, here is my suggestion: They are booked as a misdemeanor, they undergo mandatory drug counseling, they pay 10% of their after tax income and they perform 100 hours per year community service, preferably picking up trash on the side of the road.
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19th June 2011 at 10:23 am
Hope@ZeroKelvin says:
Oop, premature posting, ahem, ahem.
See, in this drug war, especially cocaine, we have had the wrong target. We have been programmed to think that it is inner city youth, predominantly black, that are the primary users and distributors of cocaine. Laugh, laugh, snort, snort, my eyeballs are rolling otta my head. Folks, the cocaine trade runs almost to 1$ trillion dollars per year. If there were that much disposable income in the inner city every business oj the planet would flock there!
No, now ask yourself why there is such sentencing disparity between powder and crack cocaine. Yup, that’s right, a few rocks of cocaine in your baggy pants will send you to prison for 10 years but an equal amoint of powder and you pay a fine, plea bargain down to a misdemeanor and drive off in the Benz to your McMansion. If you are EVER on the radar screen of the cops in the first place.
You see, it is millions of rather ordinary folks, middle to upper class, that use cocaine “responsibly”. They buy and use the drug without coming to the attention of the police. They are the real money in the drug trade and the only way to make them stop is to make it hurt in the wallet AND their precious time.
Shows like “Cops” are such great propaganda for focusing on the wrong target. Meanwhile, we have incarcerated hundreds of thousands of minority youth, made them felons, denied them the medical help they need, and then cast them back into a society where being a felon is just a sure ticket to more felony behaviour.
Yup, completely ass backwards, courtesy of the fed.gov.
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19th June 2011 at 10:45 am
Welshman says:
Happy Father’s Day SSS,
Needless to say, you were hijack, and I enjoyed the fun.
TBP,
There are two types of drugs, Legal and Illegal. There are two types of drug dealers. Pharmacist and drug dealers. Both push highly addictive substances. The pharmacist pushes drugs for big pharma reenforced by the DEA and big government, and the drug dealers pushes drugs for the crime cartel enforced by drug gangs.
I am married to a legal drug pusher, and the amount of legal drug addiction is rampant. I live in one of the most laid back regions of the country, where traffic congestion is not making across town in 10 minutes. The amount of anti-depressant and addictive drugs my community comsumes would blow your mind. Half of the community is on some kind of legal anti-stress medication.
Good citizens get their legal drugs from doctors and are paid for by insurance companies. Poor people that are less connected buy illegal drugs from drug dealers. Have you noticed that illegal drugs are the ones that average people can make or grow.
Big Pharma and the Military Industrial Complex need big government to enforce their profits. It is very cozy, very cozy indeed.
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19th June 2011 at 10:46 am
Welshman says:
Hope,
Good comments, and I was reminded about Portugal drug programs. They put less focus on the user as a criminal act, and more as substances abuse and help for treatment.
War on Terror, War on Drugs, and now War on Student Loans. I’m clear on those three, but a War on Curmudgeons would slap me down hard.
Stucky,
Froehlichen Vater’s Tag du alter Krieg’s Pferd.
TBP,
Have a good Dad’s Day, if you are in that catergory.
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19th June 2011 at 11:16 am
SSS says:
Some parting thoughts, to include my sincere apologies for administering an epic beatdown on all those who favor legalizing drugs. But you had it coming. LLPOH is the only completely sane individual on this subject, with Hope coming in a distant second due to her stance in legalizing marijuana. That’s a no-no. Otherwise, she appears to get it and gets to walk away with only some ever so slight bruising.
She must consider that marijuana is THE NUMBER ONE GATEWAY DRUG to those who go on to the harder substances such as heroin, cocaine, PCP, and meth. 80% of hard drug users started by smoking pot. Legalizing marijuana will only increase the number of hard drug users among us. I do, however, favor decriminilization on USING pot. It is up to the states to determine the parameters of that decriminilization.
As for Surly 1 and howard in nyc’s assertion that the CIA is/was involved in importing drugs into the U.S., this only confirms their conspiracy delusions about how the CIA operates. Dingbat congresswoman Maxine Waters held congressional hearings on this issue, and her star witness was a mentally disturbed former cop from the LAPD who had been fired from the force for his documented mental instability. Some of the shit he came up with at the hearings was nothing but an unsubstantiated fairy tale. Nothing of substance, absolutely nothing, he asserted could be verified and instead much of it turned out to be outright lies.
Time for Admin and Sticky to declare me the winner and move along. Nothing more to see here.
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19th June 2011 at 2:52 pm
Administrator says:
SSS answers his opponents with barely controlled contempt.
He savors the victory in his mind with a cold one.
And he stares at his hero’s portrait on the wall.
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19th June 2011 at 3:10 pm
howard in nyc says:
sss–
sincere, complete respect for your experiences, and for your opinions.
happy fathers’ day.
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19th June 2011 at 3:40 pm
Surly1 says:
sSSssshithead
fooling nobody.
Some of us remember recent history. So stuff Oliver North up your ass.
Fascist tool.
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19th June 2011 at 3:53 pm
Colma Rising says:
SSS: From what I’ve gathered from cops, it isn’t so much that pot is a gateway drug. Alcohol and cigarettes are the gate… what irks johnny law about legalizing pot is the fact that there’s a joint and it’s unmistakeable musk in the ashtray that permits them to search the trunk filled with weapons, cocaine and/or meth.
A major issue not adressed when one says “legalize drugs” is the facty that when people are rightfully arrested for molestation and slavery, they ALWAYS have a glass pipe and a rock… meth or crack… stashed with their kiddie porn. Without fail, these dirt-bags are tweeker scumb who fuck children.
Pot is so benign the laws seem ridiculous. Meth and cocaine are not. The latter destroys lives like no other scourge but opiates which, fortunately, are not as prevalent in modern society.
So, if pot gives probable-cause to can kid-fuckers, what can we trade for it’s legalization?
Well, if I had my way there would be mandatory minimum sentencing for sex-crime… and stiff penalties. Third strike=shooting squad, with automatic appeal of course. Hell, if I had my way when a kid-fucker gets caught a shotgun in the mouth and a muffled POW is in order, but that destroys due process. To keep it safe, the former solution is in order.
Nonetheless, the correlation between coke/meth use and kid fucking cannot be ignored and these drugs should never be legal.
I don’t want to hear how coke is natural and mellow. The process to deliver the powder involves hundreds of gallons of solvents and is as natural as plutonium. Fuck that shit. Cocaine is not a good-time joke. Once rich-boy gives up snorting for smoking, the effect is the same as meth… disaster.
Legalize pot. Find another way to can tweekers that doesn’t involve apprehending worthless hippies with an AR-15… then shoot the tweeker/molesters on the spot.
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19th June 2011 at 4:02 pm
StuckInNJ says:
I, The Judge hereby DISQUALIFY sss from this and ALL further drug debates for the following reasons;
1. Saying Stupid Shit
Like saying marijuana is a gateway drug. The fact that millions of former potheads (like myself) never moved on to hard drugs seems to escape his pea sized brain. It is a know fact that ALL hard core drug users also drink water. Therefore, drinking water causes drug use, according to Mr. Pea Brain’s logic.
2. Saying REALLY stupid shit
Like saying the CIA isn’t involved in one way or another with illegal drug running. IN other words, “Hi, I’m a former government drone. Trust me.”. He should have saved that post for Funny Friday. What a joke.
3. Saying REALLY REALLY stupid shit
Like wanting this utterly failed War on Drugs to be “ENDLESS”. I am at a loss of words here. Doing the same thing over and expecting different results. Only a government drone could come up with this shit.
THEREFORE, MR. STUPID SHIT SAYER IS PERMANENTLY DISQUALIFIED.
THEREFORE, he is the ultimate loser.
THEREFORE, all Wise Thinkers have won this debate.
Case Closed.
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19th June 2011 at 5:43 pm
Administrator says:
Stuck
The 9/11 nutjobs are swarming like a bunch of retarded locusts on the 9/11 thread. Join the fun as I grab them by the balls and squeeze.
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19th June 2011 at 5:50 pm
llpoh says:
Surly1 – I have had my doubts about you for some time, but I now have finalized my opinion. You are now right near the top of my total douchebag list. You do not dispace DP at the top, but keep trying, maybe you will get there.
SSS spent his life in service to this country. You aren’t fit to even wipe his ass. Ignorant fucking moron.
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19th June 2011 at 7:16 pm
Surly1 says:
LLpoodle
Thanks.
Coming from you that’s a compliment.
Feel free to stuff Oliver North up your ass, too.
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19th June 2011 at 7:26 pm
AwholeDr says:
The thread that won’t die (despite stucky declarations).
It’s amazing that someone’s brain can be frozen in 1980′s rhetoric. SSS parroting crap that washed in 1982. As in brainwash. It doesn’t wash today.
I’ll prescribe SSS some legal duragesic patches, and the monkey army can force a couple into his rectum. Then he can feel what a “gateway” drug really is. If one accidentally breaks, it will be his gateway to the afterlife. Maybe if he eats his peas and carrots, and doesn’t spank his monkey to much, God may send him back as an SS officer. He certainly thinks like one. Does anyone speak German? He can start working on his next life, please teach him how to say “put the Jews on the train” in German. It will ease the transition.
He’s worried about zombie drug addicts roaming the streets. The duragesic patches I mentioned are made with Fentynl, which is 100x stronger than morphine. There is also su-fentynl, which is 100x stronger than Fentynl. There are already zombie drug addicts roaming the streets, their called disability recipients, and there are 6 million of them. The percentage on druagesic patches is astronomically high. They could do a hit of meth or crack and continue driving to Wal-Mart to use their SNAP cards as if nothing happened.
Let’s let SSS live in the glory days in his mind. Nothing resembling logic, reason, or even information past 1982 has made it anywhere near his cerebral cortex in almost 3 decades. The nerual plaques are now forming in said cortex, and will soon consume what little information is left. Depends and Aricept aren’t far away.
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19th June 2011 at 8:07 pm
llpoh says:
Asshole Doctor – congrats – you make the douchebag list too. Congratulations – it is an illustrious list.
SSS comes from a different world than you. He spent his life trying to protect this country so assholes like you can freely malign him. He spent hs life in service to this country. Show some respect. To compare him to the SS makes you a low-life piece of shit. Really. Asswipe.
Hot debate. What do you think?
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19th June 2011 at 8:30 pm
Buckhed says:
ADOC….the use of antidepressants these days is unbelievable. It’s gotten to the point that one of the questions I ask someone I date is if they take something to help get them through the day. So far my very unscientific survey is that 50% of the females I ask say yes. So you’re right, the number of folks addicted to “Legal Drugs” probably outweighs the ones that buy illegal stuff.
As with society….if the Doc prescribes it…then it’s OK . Unless it’s steroids or HGH which will help older men deal with the aging process….can’t have a geriatric group of supermen !
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19th June 2011 at 8:31 pm
bigargon says:
Oh the real danger is Bread…….
http://www.johnpratt.com/items/email/1998/bread_dangers.html
A recent Cincinnati Enquirer headline read, “Smell of baked bread may be health hazard.” The article went on to describe the dangers of the smell of baking bread. The main danger, apparently, is that the organic components of this aroma may break down ozone (I’m not making this stuff up).
I was horrified. When are we going to do something about bread-induced global warming? Sure, we attack tobacco companies, but when is the government going to go after Big Bread?
Well, I’ve done a little research, and what I’ve discovered should make anyone think twice….
More than 98 percent of convicted felons are bread eaters.
Fully HALF of all children who grow up in bread-consuming households score below average on standardized tests.
In the 18th century, when virtually all bread was baked in the home, the average life expectancy was less than 50 years; infant mortality rates were unacceptably high; many women died in childbirth; and diseases such as typhoid, yellow fever and influenza ravaged whole nations.
More than 90 percent of violent crimes are committed within 24 hours of eating bread.
Bread is made from a substance called “dough.” It has been proven that as little as one pound of dough can be used to suffocate a mouse. The average American eats more bread than that in one month!
Primitive tribal societies that have no bread exhibit a low occurrence of cancer, Alzheimer’s, Parkinson’s disease and osteoporosis.
Bread has been proven to be addictive. Subjects deprived of bread and given only water to eat begged for bread after only two days.
Bread is often a “gateway” food item, leading the user to “harder” items such as butter, jelly, peanut butter and even cold cuts.
Bread has been proven to absorb water. Since the human body is more than 90 percent water, it follows that eating bread could lead to your body being taken over by this absorptive food product, turning you into a soggy, gooey bread-pudding person.
Newborn babies can choke on bread.
Bread is baked at temperatures as high as 400 degrees Fahrenheit! That kind of heat can kill an adult in less than one minute.
Most American bread eaters are utterly unable to distinguish between significant scientific fact and meaningless statistical babbling.
In light of these frightening statistics, we propose the following bread restrictions:
No sale of bread to minors.
No advertising of bread within 1000 feet of a school.
A 300 percent federal tax on all bread to pay for all the societal ills we might associate with bread.
No animal or human images, nor any primary colors (which may appeal to children) may be used to promote bread usage.
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19th June 2011 at 8:35 pm
llpoh says:
Surly1 – a number of folks here are piling on SSS. Most of them, beneath it all and despite differing opinions on tis issue, would hold him in high regard. You on the other hand would generally be considered nothing more than a steaming pile of dogshit that by coincidence has the same position on this issue. You are a flyweight. I am reasonably sure that SSS cares as much about your opinion as he would care about a lump of shit on the sidewalk.
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19th June 2011 at 8:35 pm
SSS says:
AwholeDr
Nice descent into personal attacks after your sophomoric comments didn’t stand up. Hopefully, the pie you tossed in your face was to your liking.
Surly1
You’re starting to show your AwholeDr side. My compliments in using far less words than the proctologist to reveal it.
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19th June 2011 at 8:36 pm
llpoh says:
SSS – I really do not mind that we are opposed on this. But the dickhead SS/Nazi comments et al really show a lack of class. I will keep those folks in mind for the future.
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19th June 2011 at 8:39 pm
llpoh says:
Imagine what kind of person goes out oh his way to choose a field of work where most of his time he has his fingers up someones ass. I suppose someone has to do it, but really, what does it say about the proclivities of that person? I wonder if he keeps his rubber gloves to sniff later.
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19th June 2011 at 8:41 pm
SSS says:
llpoh
Thanks for the kind words. I’m staying away from the latest 9/11 conspiracy article and thread. Been there, done that. Time for Admin and Sticky to take their licks from this goofy crowd.
bigargon
Sweet post. And funny. I’m starting a campaign to outlaw bread, which has clearly decimated civilization for many a millenium. Flour kills!!!!
Hot debate. What do you think?
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19th June 2011 at 8:48 pm
Colma Rising says:
SSS: Some folks get it, others don’t. Yur the Man for taking the shit with the shingles.
I fucking hate tweekers.
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19th June 2011 at 8:57 pm
AwholeDr says:
I resign from this debate. The Nazi/SS comments aren’t funny, classless, unless Monty Python are doing them, then they’re a gas. They’ are, however, posting Jewish pictures on the 9/11 thread. My sense of humor is not appreciated. I’ll go cry in a corner now. I love the part about the hero from another time. The only Colombian drug lords I saw in the ’80s were on Miami Vice and various other movies. Thank god I was saved from those viscous criminals. Thank you.
You can’t even think of a better insult than the “finger up the ass” then sniff? Maybe you’ve been sniffing too many industrial chemicals at your business. Jim’s already worn that one out. Maybe cogitate on vaginal cauliflower or various other viral skin diseases, or google ‘degenerate doctors,” be original for fucks sake.
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19th June 2011 at 9:00 pm
Muck About says:
SSS sez: Muck and Buckhed, et al
I don’t have a solution to ending the “War” on Drugs, other than to stand at the gate and fight this evil assault on our society. As we are doing. Do you have a solution to the “War on Murder, Armed Robbery, and Rape”? I didn’t think so. Same conundrum you’re putting me in.
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Well, an open carry law would certainly make a lot of people more polite. I carry concealed and have yet to have to use it and hope I never do. If I see an old lady getting beat up in Walmart’s parking lot, who ever is doing the beating is going to have to have a talk with me. I might get killed in the process but there are far worse things that can happen to someone who looses his honor by standing by and watching “Murder, Armed Robbery and Rape” happen without taking what ever action can be taken to stop it. I fully intend to stand up and take action.
Yes, open carry would probably result in a few more spur of the moment shoot-outs by people with temper management problems and the normal number of Darwinian idiots but, for the most part, a citizen who goes through a gun course and chooses to carry is probably much more on your side than the drug dealer who carries in the small of his back and would just as soon shoot you as spit.
The war on terror and the war on drugs are a f_a_i_l_u_r_e. Not only are they a failure, they are making things worse by making the USA have the highest percentage of the population behind bars in the entire world. For what? Smoking weed? Jeez…. Don’t get me started on the TSA.
If something doesn’t work, then TRY SOMETHING ELSE. If that something else doesn’t work, TRY SOMETHING DIFFERENT AGAIN. Do not, above all, continue to do the same damn thing and expect different results from it. That’s insanity and that’s what I see happening and getting bigger and worse and meaner and uglier.
So STOP IT already and do something different.
MA
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19th June 2011 at 9:08 pm
llpoh says:
Maybe great minds just think alike. I missed Jim’s version. You chose the profession, not me.
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19th June 2011 at 9:19 pm
Administrator says:
I guess we can all agree this thread embodies everything that is great about TBP. Uncivility, hate, comparisons to nazis, funny cat pictures, and some actual good points on both sides of the issue.
Now let’s all sing Kumbaya.
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19th June 2011 at 9:19 pm
llpoh says:
Muck – there are a lot of open carry states, per the map below:
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19th June 2011 at 9:23 pm
AwholeDr says:
Admin: Can’t we all just get along….
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19th June 2011 at 9:24 pm
llpoh says:
Hopefully the key will post:
Open carry laws of loaded handguns (OpenCarry.org)[16]
Gold Star Open Carry State – gold
Open Carry Friendly State – orange
Licensed Open Carry State – green
Non Permissive Open Carry State – red
Rural Open Carry State – grey
The red states are very restrictive, the gold and orange are quite friendly, with gold carry essentially anywhere open.
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19th June 2011 at 9:26 pm
AwholeDr says:
Lipoh:
“maybe great minds think alike”
Great minds think of having fingers shoved up their ass?
Funny cartoon, ha ha, yawn, me scratching my sack.
Did you have your creative thinking/originality gene removed at birth?
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19th June 2011 at 9:29 pm
llpoh says:
A-hole – hang in there old son, I am just getting started on you. On the days when my creativity is down, I make up for it with volume. And given time, I find the sensitive parst, which you would know all about given your proclivities. I bet you were a wrestler:
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19th June 2011 at 9:38 pm
AwholeDr says:
Is that supposed to induce fear? I believe you posted a picture on an Asian woman ass-raping another Asian woman.
That picture would therefore be posted in the RE or StuckinNJ file.
I hear illegal drugs can give a person originality/creativity. Maybe give some a try. They’re available everywhere in the U.S.
Here’s a hint: the ass stuff isn’t a sensitive part, unless my masseuse is willing to do it for free. I’m not paying extra.
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19th June 2011 at 9:45 pm
llpoh says:
I will keep probing away (probing – now there is something I am sure you are good at) until I find a weakness. Originality is over-rated. Sometimes pure blunt force trauma is required. New and original doesn’t always mean better – far from it. Ah, yes, be a proctologist and get covered in shit.
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19th June 2011 at 9:52 pm
AwholeDr says:
Oh, that never gets old.
Maybe it is your proclivity for ass and shit that needs investigation here. Latent homosexuality is a treatable condition. Having no imagination in not, however, without psychedelic drugs (illegal).
The battle cry of the sub-60 IQ contingent: “Originality is over-rated”
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19th June 2011 at 9:58 pm
llpoh says:
1) you are the shit-finger, not me. Just why did you choose that profession? Sewer worker didn’t pay enough?
2) You are right, that never grows old.
3) The suggestion of me being “latent homosexual” is funny coming from a man with his hand up guy’s asses all day. (Just why did you choose that profession?)
4) If we subtract your IQ from mine there will be enough change left over for a cup of coffee at Starbucks. Venti.
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19th June 2011 at 10:08 pm
AwholeDr says:
Maybe your wife laughs at that crap, it’s old already (or do you have a wife? or a young asian boy who wrestles?). You get a double yawn rating. Keep posting though, the cloud is full of server space. And a starbucks reference? That’s so 2007. YAWN. Jimbo’s crickets.
Maybe practice with your “friends” on facebook, more your speed.. I have to go shave my testicles now.
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19th June 2011 at 10:18 pm
llpoh says:
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19th June 2011 at 10:19 pm
llpoh says:
Shave your testicles? Wow, I guess that will take about 3 seconds, so we will continue this then.
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19th June 2011 at 10:20 pm
AwholeDr says:
Why do I feel like the retarded kid is following me around?
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19th June 2011 at 10:25 pm
llpoh says:
If a retarded kid is following you around 1) he likes the smell of shit or 2) he likes they way he feels smart in comparison.
Hot debate. What do you think?
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19th June 2011 at 10:28 pm
StuckInNJ says:
Facts: Let them be your friend
sss — preaching his tired old sermon
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19th June 2011 at 11:32 pm
llpoh says:
Stuck – fire and brimstone never grows old. At least you are civil, more or less, but these other pricks have an ass-whuppin’ coming to them.
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19th June 2011 at 11:35 pm
StuckInNJ says:
AwholeDr, aka Mr Stinkfinger, and his favorite patient, sss
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19th June 2011 at 11:36 pm
llpoh says:
With that guy you would have your whole forearm in asscrack before your forefinger even got close to the guy’s butthole. Your rubber glove would need to stretch up to your armpit, and you might even have to lay your face against his rump to fully reach in. It really doesn’t bear thinking about. That turns plain old shit into some really nasty old shit.
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19th June 2011 at 11:45 pm
StuckInNJ says:
I’m outta here for the evening.
To ALL dads out there …. HAPPY FATHERS DAY
And don’t forget ….
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19th June 2011 at 11:54 pm
StuckInNJ says:
I’m outta here for the evening.
To ALL dads out there …… HAPPY FATHERS DAY !!
I had a great time with my dad this evening.
Remember ……
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19th June 2011 at 11:57 pm
Novista says:
This one’s dead, probably but … HZK
Would you agree that not all cocaine users are addicts?
Epilog, that no one will probably see:
SSS goes to work one morning. Two agents, up ahead are having a quiet conversation.
“Shh! Here comes the boy scout. He’d never understand the load we’re bringing in to Venice FL.”
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19th June 2011 at 6:50 am
Muck About says:
llpoh: Sorry, I don’t know where you got that graphic but Florida is not strict gun control, Florida is, instead, quite gun friendly. If you take a gun course or are a military vet, the local law dogs must issue you a carry permit unless a background check carries a felony or open mental illness.
In Florida, there is no “must retreat” rule that says “If you’re threatened with a violence, you can’t fight back, you have to, instead, turn and run – thereby getting shot in the back.” No such rule here. You can stand and fight (with deadly force) if you fear for your own safety and life.
Florida is not Indiana. Police cannot blow your door away after niffing the cracks. The only way they can do a forced entry without warrant is in “hot pursuit”.
In Florida, if someone breaks into your home (or car) while you are present and you fear for your safety or life (or the safety or life of anyone else), you can blow the SOB away without fearing retribution by the law.
Florida allows open carry in rural areas and while hunting. They also passed a law (to remedy a stupidity) to allow open carry between a gun shop (where you buy a gun or take one to get fixed) to your vehicle or home, thereby preventing police from parking outside a gun shop and nabbing people “open” carrying guns in and out for purchase or repair.
And, of course, you can open carry a long gun anywhere you want except bars, banks, police stations and courthouses.
I expect within a year or two, there will be open carry with permit allowed, but that hasn’t happened yet.
I’d love to hear what the Europeans have to say about open carry American gun laws! Wild West indeed!
Just so you’ll know..
MA
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19th June 2011 at 9:22 am
Hope@ZeroKelvin says:
@Novista: No, I do not believe that zll cocaine users are addicts. Addicts being people who use a drug to the point where it destroys their health, their ability to function in the work place, trashes their social network aand evetually kills them. Or their drug use kills another person.
By that definition, alcoholics and heavy smokers are addicts. There are successful paradigms for treating these addictions. I do not think that the same can be said for cocaine addiction. My belief in this is watching thousands of crack addicts come in and out of the Ben Taub ER during my medical training. They either ended up dead from the drug or illegal attempts to acquire it or were incarcerated. I may be wrong, but it is my understanding that the recidivism rate for cocaine addiction is very high.
Now, my own feeling is that you want to use drugs, whether legal or illegal?. Fine. You do them on your own dime and your own time and not one red cent of tax payer money goes to help you if you OD, lose your job due to drugs, ruin your health due to drugs. If you commit a crime that is anyway drug related, you work 10 years on the chain gang picking up trash on the side of the road.
And yes, I mean smoking related illnesses, which are 20% of my income I would gladly give up to see tobacco eradicated…
Unless you make the end users of drugs have real world consequences in the irresponsible use of drugs, becuz I do not bbelieve youncan change
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19th June 2011 at 10:03 am
Hope@ZeroKelvin says:
Kaarrrgh, posting on my Nook is problematic.
My last word on this is that unless you have drug users experience some real world consequences of intemperant drug use, becux I do not believe you can ever remove the desire for drugs, you can nuke Columbia and most of Mexico and every poppy field in A-stan and you won’t make a dent in drug use.
I salute folks like SSS who have tried to keep these drugs out of our country, truly I do. I just don’t think it is an approach that addresses the underlying problem, ie human naure, and is thus doomed to fail, with horrific unintended consequences.
Embrace the Doom: Ater 40 years of the War on Drugs, we have more drugs, more people in prison, more instable countries where the drugs come from, more fed.gov drug storm troopers, less civil liberty and personal freedoms.
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19th June 2011 at 10:14 am
Tim says:
No current thread to post this on, but here’s today’s jewel from my local paper:
http://www.elpasotimes.com/ci_18608410?source=most_viewed
KEY SUMMARY:
“U.S. federal agents allegedly allowed the Sinaloa drug cartel to traffic several tons of cocaine into the United States in exchange for information about rival cartels, according to court documents filed in a U.S. federal court.”
Also, see this gem:
http://www.elpasotimes.com/ci_18552409
“An official of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives apologized Tuesday and told Congress he shares responsibility for mistakes in carrying out a controversial law enforcement operation in Arizona that resulted in high-powered weapons flowing into Mexico.”
Let’s see if I’ve got this correct: The Feds allow illegal cocaine to flow north across the border. Meanwhile, the Feds also ship illegal weapons, south, in the other direction.
Is it possible The War On Drugs cannot be won?
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19th June 2011 at 2:56 pm
Tim says:
Oops! I didn’t mean to Triple-Post the pic.
Some guys can’t get a pic to post at all. Meanwhile, I submit three of the same. Crazy.
Let me just go back to the bong for today.
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