It seems Rick Perry has joined the “the Christian Fundamentalist God” will save America klan. I wonder what God’s views are on spending $1 trillion per year on weapons to kill people? If I recall from my 12 years of Catholic school, one of the Ten commandments was “THOU SHALT NOT KILL”. I don’t remember a second part saying “except Muslims”. I don’t remember anything about an eye for an eye. Christian fundamentalists are intolerant bigots. They want to foist their beliefs upon the whole country. They pray for the end times. They want it to happen. Therefore, they have no problem with a showdown between Iran and Israel. They want it to happen. It is part of God’s plan.
Rick Perry, Bachmann, and Palin are playing to the basest of emotions in their desire to control this country. They are dangerous ideologues and would lead this country into World War III without a second thought. Their God told them so. This bullshit seems to be working. As the economic situation for the average person gets worse, they will turn to ideologues who act like the answer is with God. These slimy human beings would rather appeal to the ignorant masses with religious lies than deal with the real issues.
Mr. Perry. Instead of your day of prayer, please provide me your views on:
- Military expenditures
- Wall Street bailouts and lack of criminal prosecutions
- Tax breaks for mega-corporations that shipped our jobs overseas
- Why the richest 400 Americans paid a tax rate of 18% when the top rate is 35%
- Which Federal agencies are you going to close?
- What is your plan to deal with our $100 trillion unfunded liability for SS and Medicare?
- What is your alternative to Obamacare?
Too hard for you Ricky? Keep prayin.
The American Debate: Rick Perry’s day of prayer: Troubling messages, good politics
By Dick Polman
Inquirer National Political Columnist
Maybe I’m just old-fashioned, but I hew to the traditional American principle that politicians should refrain from promoting one particular set of religious beliefs. James Madison, father of the Constitution, famously endorsed a “total separation of the church from the state,” and that’s good enough for me.
But Rick Perry didn’t get the memo. Officially, he’s just the governor of Texas (having succeeded George W. Bush and inherited Bush’s swagger), but apparently he also aspires to be the preacher-in-chief. Hence his ambitious plans for “a day of prayer and fasting on behalf of our troubled nation,” a national event Aug. 6 that will be dominated – with his official blessing – by fundamentalist Christian leaders who are notorious for their rhetorical attacks on gays, Catholics, and other designated nonbelievers.
It’s bad enough that Perry, on the eve of his event (officially called “The Response”), has urged that “as a nation, we must come together and call upon Jesus,” given the fact that he was elected to be the governor of all Texans, many of whom are Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Sikhs, agnostics, and atheists. It’s bad enough that the event is billed as “Christians only,” with the proviso that heathens can attend only if they wish to convert. Indeed, the mainstream, non-proselytizing Houston Clergy Council has duly told Perry, in a protest letter, that government “should represent all citizens equally and without preference for religious or philosophical tradition.”
But it’s even worse that Perry is essentially promoting the intolerant Christian ethos of his cosponsor, the American Family Association, which uses its radio and online outlets to spread the word that, among other things, “homosexuals should be disqualified from public office,” that gays are “in the clasp of Satan,” that all Muslims should be kicked out of the military and the rest deported, and that Christian devotees of yoga should quit because the workouts are inspired by “evil” Buddhism.
This attitude seems a tad more exclusionary than what the Founding Fathers intended. In the Bill of Rights, they wrote that the state shall not establish an official religion at the expense of others – yet Rick Perry is staging an event that, according to its website, will be “praying to the one true God.” Moreover, the website declares, “it would be idolatry of the worst sort” for prayer attendees to acknowledge the “false gods” of other faiths.
Any chance that Perry might catch the spirit of the Founders? Not with friends like his. One key player on the event’s leadership team is Jim Garlow, a megachurch pastor who has compared gays to practitioners of bestiality (gay marriage is no different than “if someone wanted to marry their dog or their horse”), and insisted that anyone supporting gay rights is in cahoots with the “Antichrist.” Another teammate is Lou Engle, who has prayed for Ellen DeGeneres to be converted to heterosexuality, and prayed that all Israeli Jews be converted to Christianity.
But Perry’s star event organizer is surely Texas megachurch pastor John Hagee. This guy is so out there that when he endorsed John McCain for president in 2008, McCain found it politically necessary to throw him under the bus. Hagee has assailed the Catholic Church as “the Great Whore.” He has decreed that God sent Adolf Hitler to be a “hunter” of Jews, that God sent Hurricane Katrina to New Orleans to prevent a scheduled “homosexual rally,” and that God loves submissive wives (the “husband has a God-given role as leader of your home”).
Perry is probably sincere when he insists that he is walking the moral high road (“this event is about bringing Americans together in prayer”), and in all likelihood he is sincerely clueless about the constitutional wall he is flagrantly breaching. But there’s one other factor to consider: “The Response” is good politics.
Perry is weighing a Republican presidential bid in 2012. Conservative Christian leaders, including Hagee, are known to be wildly unenthusiastic about the current crop of candidates. Perry has been working them hard, and “The Response” was scheduled to take place one week before the Iowa straw poll, an early test of candidate strength in a party event dominated by Christian conservative voters. What better way to woo those voters than to use your public office to promote an intolerant strain of Christian fundamentalism, at the expense of other denominations and faiths?
Fortunately, our constitutional principles are more timeless than the transient politicians who occasionally prove meddlesome. When I visit the National Constitution Center this summer, I plan to pat James Madison’s bronzed shoulder and say: “Don’t you worry about Rick Perry’s un-American spectacle. This too shall pass.”
StuckInNJ says:
Can we just STOP electing assholes from Texas????
PLEASE!!!!!
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Kill Bill says:
When Bush was governor of Texas he wasnt all religious. Perry seems to be following that same act.
The lt governor in Texas is the one that days the real work. Perry works a few months a year. Its a figurehead position.
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StuckInNJ says:
from — http://www.infowars.com/14-reasons-why-rick-perry-would-be-a-really-really-bad-president/
Fuck Rick Perry
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Perry certainly looks the part and he knows how to give a good speech, but when ordinary Americans all over the country take a hard look at his record, they may not like what they see.
The truth is that Rick Perry is a big-time globalist, he has raised taxes and fees in Texas numerous times, he has massively increased the size of government spending and government debt in Texas, he has been trying to ram the Trans-Texas Corridor down the throats of the Texas people and he tried to force young women all over Texas to be injected with the Gardasil vaccine.
No, Rick Perry is not going to save America. In fact, he would likely be very, very similar to both Bush and Obama in a lot of ways.
Right now, Rick Perry is trying to portray himself as a “good conservative” so that if he enters the race he will be accepted by Christian conservatives. If Rick Perry did win the Republican nomination, he would have a great chance of winning the general election because he would very much be an “establishment” candidate.
But before Republicans get too excited about Rick Perry, there are a whole lot of things that they should know about him.
The following are 14 reasons why Rick Perry would be a really, really bad president….
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#1 Rick Perry is a “big government” politician. When Rick Perry became the governor of Texas in 2000, the total spending by the Texas state government was approximately $49 billion. Ten years later it was approximately $90 billion. That is not exactly reducing the size of government.
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#2 The debt of the state of Texas is out of control. According to usdebtclock.org, the debt to GDP ratio in Texas is 22.9% and the debt per citizen is $10,645. In California (a total financial basket case), the debt to GDP ratio is just 18.7% and the debt per citizen is only $9932. If Rick Perry runs for president these are numbers he will want to keep well hidden.
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#3 The total debt of the Texas government has more than doubled since Rick Perry became governor. So what would the U.S. national debt look like after four (or eight) years of Rick Perry?
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#4 Rick Perry has spearheaded the effort to lease roads in Texas to foreign companies, to turn roads that are already free to drive on into toll roads, and to develop the Trans-Texas Corridor which would be part of the planned NAFTA superhighway system. If you really do deep research on this whole Trans-Texas Corridor nonsense you will see why no American should ever cast a single vote for Rick Perry.
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#5 Rick Perry claims that he has a “track record” of not raising taxes. That is a false claim. Rick Perry has repeatedly raised taxes and fees while he has been governor. Today, Texans are faced with significantly higher taxes and fees than they were before Rick Perry was elected.
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#6 Even with the oil boom in Texas, 23 states have a lower unemployment rate than Texas does.
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#7 Back in 1988, Rick Perry supported Al Gore for president. In fact, Rick Perry actually served as Al Gore’s campaign chairman in the state of Texas that year.
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#8 Between December 2007 and April 2011, weekly wages in the U.S. increased by about 5 percent. In the state of Texas they increased by just 0.6% over that same time period.
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#9 Texas now has one of the worst education systems in the nation. The following is from an opinion piece that was actually authored by Barbara Bush earlier this year….
• We rank 36th in the nation in high school graduation rates. An estimated 3.8 million Texans do not have a high school diploma.
• We rank 49th in verbal SAT scores, 47th in literacy and 46th in average math SAT scores.
• We rank 33rd in the nation on teacher salaries.
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#10 Rick Perry attended the Bilderberg Group meetings in 2007. Associating himself with that organization should be a red flag for all American voters.
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#11 Texas has the highest percentage of workers making minimum wage out of all 50 states.
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#12 Rick Perry often gives speeches about illegal immigration, but when you look at the facts, he has been incredibly soft on the issue. If Rick Perry does not plan to secure the border, then he should not be president because illegal immigration is absolutely devastating many areas of the southwest United States.
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#13 In 2007, 221,000 residents of Texas were making minimum wage or less. By 2010, that number had risen to 550,000.
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#14 Rick Perry actually issued an executive order in 2007 that would have forced almost every single girl in the state of Texas to receive the Gardasil vaccine before entering the sixth grade. Perry would have put parents in a position where they would have had to fill out an application and beg the government not to inject their child with an untested and unproven vaccine. Since then, very serious safety issues regarding this vaccine have come to light. Fortunately, lawmakers in Texas blocked what Perry was trying to do. According to Wikipedia, many were troubled when “apparent financial connections between Merck and Perry were reported by news outlets, such as a $6,000 campaign contribution and Merck’s hiring of former Perry Chief of Staff Mike Toomey to handle its Texas lobbying work.”
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Rick Perry has a record that should make all Republicans, Democrats, Libertarians and Independents cringe.
He is not the “conservative Republican” that he is trying to claim that he is. He is simply another in a long line of “RINOs” (Republicans in name only).
If Rick Perry becomes president, he will probably be very similar to George W. Bush. He will explode the size of the U.S. government and U.S. government debt, he will find sneaky ways to raise taxes, he will do nothing about the Federal Reserve or corruption in our financial system and he will push the agenda of the globalists at every turn.
Look, the truth is that another four years of Barack Obama would be a complete and total nightmare.
But so would four years of Rick Perry.
America deserves better than the “lesser of two evils”.
Unfortunately, the American people have been dead asleep and have been sending incompetents, con men and charlatans to Washington D.C. for decades.
Hopefully things will be different in 2012.
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7th July 2011 at 11:57 am
StuckInNJ says:
BULLSHIT on Perry’s so-called job creation record …
http://swampland.time.com/2011/06/27/the-cracks-in-rick-perrys-job-growth-record/
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7th July 2011 at 11:58 am
Terry says:
Perry is a snake oil salesman of the highest order.
Consider his present positions and then consider StuckInNJ’s #7 again:
“#7 Back in 1988, Rick Perry supported Al Gore for president. In fact, Rick Perry actually served as Al Gore’s campaign chairman in the state of Texas that year.”
What else do you really need to know?
BTW, our esteemed governor would like you to join him, Jesus, and tens of thousands of neo-con nut jobs in Houston’s Reliant Stadium August 6 for a little get-together. Here’s his invitation to you: http://vimeo.com/25676383
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StuckInNJ says:
Holy Shit, Terry!! I hope Jim doesn’t see that before he goes out on the Royal Flush. He might br the one puking.
No offense meant to the Texans here on TBP … but WTF is it with Texans, god, and politicians?? Does one have to play the Holy Roller game to get elected?
Rick also has a website dedicated to that day of prayer and fasting “just like Jesus did”. Although I can’t seem to recall where Jesus fasted because Jerusalem was deep in debt. If someone else can find that verse please point it out to me.
http://theresponseusa.com/
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7th July 2011 at 12:28 pm
StuckInNJ says:
“There is hope for America. It lies in heaven, and we will find it on our knees.” —- from Rick Perry’s web site
I dunno. I get this uneasy feeling whenever a politician talks about getting on knees.
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7th July 2011 at 12:39 pm
Dave says:
What a fucking disappointment. Where is the picture of Perry with Bachmann and Palin flapping their photoshopped wings in the clouds, while playing harps. I can’t wait for Jesus to announce his candidacy. Isn’t Ron Paul from texas?
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7th July 2011 at 12:42 pm
Dave says:
“Mr. Perry. Instead of your day of prayer, please provide me your views on:
1.Military expenditures
2.Wall Street bailouts and lack of criminal prosecutions
3.Tax breaks for mega-corporations that shipped our jobs overseas
4.Why the richest 400 Americans paid a tax rate of 18% when the top rate is 35%
5.Which Federal agencies are you going to close?
6.What is your plan to deal with our $100 trillion unfunded liability for SS and Medicare?
7.What is your alternative to Obamacare?”
I’d be more interested in seeing your views to those queries.
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7th July 2011 at 12:46 pm
StuckInNJ says:
Ron Paul is OBVIOUSLY the exception.
Rick Perry, Corporate Fascist with a direct hotline to God
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7th July 2011 at 12:52 pm
StuckInNJ says:
Dave and his One-Line questions.
Bwaaahahahaha! Dickhead.
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7th July 2011 at 12:53 pm
Shrug says:
Admin,
These were the commandments you were talking about right?
First:
•THOU SHALT ALWAYS BE HONEST AND FAITHFUL, ESPECIALLY
TO THE PROVIDER OF THY NOOKIE.
And second:
•THOU SHALT TRY REAL HARD NOT TO KILL ANYONE, UNLESS,
OF COURSE, THEY PRAY TO A DIFFERENT INVISIBLE AVENGER
THAN THE ONE YOU PRAY TO.
Two is all you need, folks. Moses could have carried them down the hill in his pocket. And if we had a list like that, I wouldn’t mind that brilliant judge in Alabama displaying it prominently in his courthouse lobby. As long he included one additional commandment:
•THOU SHALT KEEP THY RELIGION TO THYSELF!!!
From George Carlin – When Will Jesus Bring the Pork Chops (2004)
God Bless You and God Bless America!!!
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7th July 2011 at 12:57 pm
Dave says:
Jim you need to post this to bolster your self-esteem.
http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/paul-wilson/2011/07/07/washington-post-slams-bachmann-yet-again
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7th July 2011 at 1:04 pm
Dave says:
Is NJ in your colon somewhere?
StuckInNJ says:
“Dave and his One-Line questions.
Bwaaahahahaha! Dickhead.”
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7th July 2011 at 1:06 pm
Hope@ZeroKelvin says:
Well, here you guys go AGAIN!
Rick Perry is no worse, and in some ways better, than previous governors. He has to contend with the liberal whackos in Austin, many of whom escaped from California and are now trying to Californicate us. He has to walk a fine line with the illegal alien “rights” crowd. If you look at an election map of Texas, the only blue counties are in Austin, downtown Houston and some on the border. The rest of the state is red.
Most of the examples cited above about Perry’s evilness, like the Trans-Texas Corridor and Gardisel were reversed or died on the vine, were prior to 2007. Find me one politician who hasn’t made some bone headed mistakes.
I would contend that Texas has weathered the economic storm better than any blue state and better than any red ones. It would really help if Obama would : 1) not cancel our shuttle program and general screw with NASA, 2) not shut down oil drilling in the gulf, 3) provide us some federal assistance for our wildfires, 4) secure our border, 5) fuck off and die.
The expansion of Texas government under Perry is merely the same cancer infecting our society that I wrote about on the Kunstler thread. Namely, that we, the people, are very happy with the goodies and services bestowed on us by our governments – even when these things come out of the pockets of our neighbors. Perry, like most politicians, has simply been subsumed into this mindset, like very single politician before or since.
Again, if you are looking for some politician to save you, good luck with that. You guys know that I don’t believe it matters a fart in a hurricaine who is the prez.
@Stuckie: I can not believe you are posting something off of infowars.com. That site is full of tin-foil conspiracy nutjobs.
And so what if he has a website devoted to prayer. Sheesh, it’s religion, no different from believing in AGW, 9/11 as an inside job, social justice and big government. He’s not advocating to control every breath you take like the AGW crowd, or take all your money away like the social justice folks.
I will pray for you, aha, aha, so you may see the error of your ways.
Hot debate. What do you think?
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7th July 2011 at 1:18 pm
Amos Turtle says:
Gee Stuck, I kinda like the leather look!
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7th July 2011 at 1:29 pm
StuckInNJ says:
HZK
I probably know more about Gov. Christie than you do as I literally read something about him every day either on the net or from the Newark Star Ledger. Likewise, you know much more about Perry than I do. Until a few weeks ago I knew nothing about him.
But when you say things like he is no worse than previous governors it sounds like you are making excuses. That gives this voter in NJ zero confidence.
Regarding the HUGE increase in the size of Texas’ government under his watch you say Perry has “simply been subsumed into this mindset, like very single politician before or since”. That’s exactly what we DON’T need or want … yet another politician with no balls to do the right thing. No?
Regarding the Trans-Texas Corridor and Gardisel those weren’t just “bonehead” mistakes. Those were GARGANTUAN bonehead mistakes. Thankfully there were level-headed Texas legislators who had at least the two brain cells needed to defeat that crap. It tells me just about everything I need to know about Perry … how he views taxes, and how he views personal liberty. And it ain’t a pretty picture.
I’m not looking for anyone to save us. As you rightly said, that’s probably a pipe dream.
On the other hand, I also don’t want more-of-the-same-old-shit or … in Perry’s case, perhaps even worse shit.
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7th July 2011 at 2:07 pm
StuckInNJ says:
I don’t read infowars. The article was posted on blacklisted news. Even so, even dumbfuks can be correct once in a while.
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I could give a rats ass if Perry has a website about prayer IF he sticks to theology. I DO give a rats ass when he relies on prayer as a strategy to govern America.
From his website —— ” … we have been besieged by financial debt, terrorism, and a multitude of natural disasters. As a nation, we must come together and call upon Jesus to guide us through unprecedented struggles …”
Let’s think about that a second. What does it MEAN to “call upon Jesus” when it comes to our financial debt??
Will Jesus help Repubs grow a spine?
Will Jesus help Dems grow a brain?
Will Jesus help Ron Paul get elected?
Will Jesus get the Free Shit Army to back off?
Will Jesus smite dead evil bankers?
Yes, Jesus turned over the Money Changer’s table. But that was 2,000 plus years ago, and he hasn’t made any house calls since.
Calling on Jesus to solve our debt is a crock of political pandering bullshit!! Worse yet, it greatly CHEAPENS the message of The Gospel.
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7th July 2011 at 2:22 pm
Hope@ZeroKelvin says:
Well, Stuckie, I am not advocating for Perry to be Prez here. I am saying that he has his good points and bad points.
Embrace the Doom, Stuck. No one currently in gov, or running to be in gov, is going to advocate for less gov.
That is our doom.
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7th July 2011 at 2:24 pm
Terry says:
Once again, my employment calls …when I’d much rather sit here and spar with dear Hope@ZeroKelvin.
I will say: Hope, my belief is that Perry is a far more lethal snake than you’ve given him credit for.
I hate ending a sentence with a preposition…
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7th July 2011 at 2:27 pm
StuckInNJ says:
I’m a 99% Doomer, HZK.
I still have a bit of this pollyanish belief that we can get out of this mess IF we elect the right person in 2012 … perhaps the most important election in this nation’s history.
We need a George Washington / Thomas Jefferson type leader. Maybe that’ll work. But I’m pretty sure we’ll get the same old shit, regardless.
At that point I will embrace the doom. I’ll go back to my roots. I’ll buy a ’65 VW minibus, supplied with 8-tracks, a couple ounces of sweet mary jane, and head over to sss’s house to party till the world ends. I might stop by your place along the way and buy some tomatoes. I hear you have verrry nice tomatoes.
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7th July 2011 at 2:32 pm
Welshman says:
Dr. Hope,
Thought maybe you were from California as a graduate of U.C. Davis Med School? Don’t disown us, we need some good Tex-Cal stock.
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7th July 2011 at 3:04 pm
Muck About says:
Holy Whale Shit, talk about something low. Publishing a piece that comes from the Inquirer, that paragon of National Information and Truth?
I wouldn’t vote for anyone that stubbed his/her toe and said, “God damn it” and meant it. In 2012 I may get my statement shoved down my throat and not be able to vote at all.
Oh well… None of us may get to vote in 2012 in if not then 2016 is really in doubt.
MA
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7th July 2011 at 3:20 pm
Hope@ZeroKelvin says:
@Stuck/Terry:
You guys still cling to the hope that our Republic is salvagable: If we just elect the right person, if we clean house in Congress, if we get some of these judges off the bench, if the unicorns will start farting lollipops and rainbows, if, if, if.
It’s like being happy that the fire that burned down your house has left a few rose bushes standing.
No, the problem is with US, the American sheeple. Like I have said: We have a deadly cancer in our very souls – the cancer of entitlement and dependency. It is not some alien invader, but like a cancer, is a good cell gone bad. You have to cut it out, burn it out or poison it out – or it will eventually kill you.
Too bad for US – we don’t have the intestinal fortitude to do what needs to be done.
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7th July 2011 at 3:21 pm
StuckInNJ says:
“You guys still cling to the hope that our Republic is salvagable ..” — HZK
Correct.
Like i said, I’m clinging on to my 1% hopey changee thingee.
And I would appreciate it if you’d stop shitting on my parade. Save the fertilizer for your tomatoes.
ha.
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7th July 2011 at 3:27 pm
Hope@ZeroKelvin says:
@Welshman: Not med school at UC Davis, I was an undergrad there, Zoology! It was a great place to go to college and I miss it very much. After a stint at NIH making monoclonal antibodies, I went to med school at Baylor College of Medicine here in Houston and stayed to finish my training at MD Anderson Cancer Center. As my daughter looks to be going to Texas A & M, she’ll be a Texas Aggie to my Cal Aggie, aha. aha.
California is such a beautiful state, still with much to offer, too bad it’s legislature is going to take it right off the cliff.
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7th July 2011 at 3:42 pm
Dave says:
More taling point for this site.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/lib-author-christians-like-bachmann-hate-the-u-s-love-a-fictional-christian-america/
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7th July 2011 at 3:50 pm
JIMSKI says:
Wow Monkey POO day at TBP
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7th July 2011 at 4:12 pm
Colma Rising says:
RPES
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7th July 2011 at 4:19 pm
Punk in Drublic says:
OK, I saw the title and thought…
Who the fuck is Rick Perry and why do I care what he thinks?
Then I read the article.
Answer: Nobody and I don’t.
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7th July 2011 at 5:51 pm
Kill Bill says:
The Blaze? Isnt that Glenn Becks site, Dave?
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7th July 2011 at 6:03 pm
bigargon says:
The above article is total BS. days of prayer and fasting have been a long tradition in the country. It only in the last 50 years have we abandoned it. The idiot that wrote that article might want to learn what prayer and fasting is about.
the “traditional” view of public prayer and fasting WAS NOT to ask God to fix our problems, but rather to Repent of our sins (as individuals and a nation), look towards God’s will of how to proceed in a crisis.
does prayer and fasting solve problems on their own? NO
the Goal is to align our wills to God , and to do the work the Lord has set before us.
I think its not a stretch to say this Nation has a lot to repent of our Greed, our Aggression, our Selfishness, our following false idols.
Jesus said it the best:
“Jesus gave them this answer: ‘Very truly I tell you, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does.’”
John 5:19
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7th July 2011 at 6:41 pm
Dave says:
Bill:
Kill Bill says:
“The Blaze? Isnt that Glenn Becks site, Dave?”
Would you feel better if it came from The Daily KOS, Huffington Post. What’s your point?
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7th July 2011 at 7:07 pm
howard in nyc says:
hey hope–
the other day i peeped at the local davis newspaper. the city of davis has $147 million in unfunded pension and retirement liabilities for retired and current city employees.
you remember what a little town that is? and how smart and upscale the residents are supposed to be?
thank goodness they can’t raise property tax very much. but all the other fees on my house there keep going up up up.
no matter. i’m still an aggie for life. even though i graduated from santa barbara.
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7th July 2011 at 7:54 pm
Administrator says:
bigargon
Perry’s prayer session will be to ask for God’s help in smelting the non-Christians of the world. Perry loves the military and thinks it should be stronger. So does Bachmann and Palin. I doubt that Perry will be seeking God’s forgiveness for the bank bailouts and corporate tax rates being too high.
Again, I ask. Whose side was God on during the Civil War? How about Vietnam? Is God a Republican or a Democrat?
Enough of the religious bullshit. Time to deal with the issues.
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7th July 2011 at 8:30 pm
Administrator says:
Dave
I think you are losing your fucking mind. I’ve provided my position on every issue noted in your assanine response.
I guess your alzheimers made you forget. Old age sucks, doesn’t it.
Did I mention we need a President who will tell old farts to go fuck themselves because we are not going to sacrifice our youth so a bunch of old codgers can get what they deserve.
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7th July 2011 at 8:33 pm
Anonymous says:
Dave says: Isn’t Ron Paul from texas?
Nope…. straight out of Pennsylvania .his father ran a milk delivery business and Ron delivered.
But then neither was Bush the POS from Kennebunkport .
Admin- As the economic situation for the average person gets worse, they will turn to ideologues who act like the answer is with God.
Many ignorant people believe that taking God’s name in vain is simply the act of uttering the profane slang word goddammit …not so .Rick Perry and all his pseudo Christian political opportunists take the God’s name in vain every time they attempt to politicize his will and associate with their desire to kill for power and profit.
To bastardize the word of God will be the one sin they’ll never be forgiven for.
I wouldn’t want to be them for love nor money.
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7th July 2011 at 8:39 pm
flash says:
From Christianity and War
by Laurence M. Vance
” But Christianity is in a sad state. There is an unholy desire on the part of a great many Christians to legitimize killing in war. There persists the idea among too many Christians that mass killing in war is acceptable, but the killing of one’s neighbor violates the sixth commandment’s prohibition against killing. Christians who wouldn’t think of using the Lord’s name in vain blaspheme God when they make ridiculous statements like “God is pro-war.” Christians who try never to lie do so with boldness when they claim they are pro-life, but refuse to extend their pro-life sentiments to foreigners already out of the womb. Christians who abhor idols are guilty of idolatry when they say that we should follow the latest dictates of the state because we should always “obey the powers that be.” Christians who venerate the Bible handle the word of God deceitfully when they quote Scripture to defend the latest U.S. military action. Christians who claim to be dispensationalists wrongly divide the word of truth when they appeal to the Old Testament to justify U.S. government wars. Christians who claim to have the mind of Christ show that they have lost their mind when they want the full force of government to protect a stem cell, but have no conscience about U.S. soldiers killing for the government.”
http://www.theamericanview.com/index.php?id=1351
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7th July 2011 at 8:46 pm
Administrator says:
For all the Neo-Con warmongering politicians who also voted to bailout Wall Street on the backs of the middle class:
“Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who give darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter. Woe to those who are wise and clever in their own eyes. Woe to those who acquit the guilty for gain, but withhold justice from the innocent…for they have rejected the law and spurned the word of God. Therefore the LORD’s anger burns, and His hand strikes them down. The mountains will shake, and bodies will litter the streets.”
Isaiah 5:20-23
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7th July 2011 at 8:49 pm
bigargon says:
Admin:
I am no big fan of either Perry or bachmann..i think they are both phoneys….but the thing that is annoying is when writer that doesn’t know his ass from his elbow makes a blanket statement about “prayer and fasting” as Un-american. That total MSM BS.
Public days Prayer and fasting has been used from Colonial times up until the First world War. .
Is Perry call for Prayer and fasting political opportunism?? More then likely it is.
I do wonder when were the calls for prayer and fasting after 9/11??
or after the Crash in 08′? That would have been the time to call for Prayer and fasting (of course the left would have had their collective panties in a knot over it.)
as far as…
“Again, I ask. Whose side was God on during the Civil War? How about Vietnam? Is God a Republican or a Democrat?”
God is on his own side.
the right question is am I on God’s side??
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7th July 2011 at 8:58 pm
flash says:
Hope, you should know better’n to trust the words of a snake oil salesman.
Bureaucrats never give up they just regroup.
Trans Texas Corridor Renamed, Not Dead
http://thenewamerican.com/usnews/election/681
“Earlier this month, the Texas Legislature reconvened, as it does every other year. It seems fishy that TxDOT’s statement was issued just in time to allow Texans and their lawmakers to breathe a sign of relief about not having to worry about that pesky corridor anymore. No time for complacency, this. A capitol insider has already targeted a piece of legislation to watch this session. The TxDOT Sunset Bill will be presented to the legislature as it decides TxDOT’s future, and should spur debate over Public Private Partnerships, which are almost more dangerous than the road itself.”
Hope, Take the time to watch this for a better understanding what your up against. Central Land use plans , regional planning , smart growth…all the work of the “we know best” eastern progressive Kunstler ilk..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsLD7W-l_FM
AGENDA 21 ALERT: PUBLIC- PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS
By Cassandra Anderson, based on an interview with Joan Veon
Joan Veon is an author, journalist and expert on globalization; she also hosted her own radio talk show and is a successful businesswoman. In these 2 videos she explains the mechanism by which corporations gain power over all levels of government: local, county, state, federal, foreign and the United Nations, thus creating corporate fascism, on a global level.
Public- Private Partnerships are one of the most effective tools that are used by the globalists to implement Agenda 21 Sustainable Development, with the goal of destroying the structure of governments that represent the people, and puts profits and resources in the hands of those private interests.
The public part of the Public- Private Partnership (PPP) is the government, which becomes corrupted and no longer represents the taxpayers, when it accepts funding from private interests. Further, the government becomes silent against abuses to the public when they have been compromised by PPP business arrangements, and, worse yet, may also sell off resources and utilities that were owned by the taxpayers. The government does this because they are broke and more taxation is unpopular.
The private part of the PPP is often a combination of these entities: * Corporations (usually multinational) * Foundations (like Rockefeller) * Associations * Universities * Any entity with a lot of money * Non-Governmental Agencies (NGO’s). NGO’s are usually environmental agencies, like the Sierra Club and the Nature Conservancy.
The private stakeholder in the business arrangement always has profit as its goal, not service. Service was formerly the role of the representative government. The assets that once belonged to the taxpayers are then transferred to private interests, in a transfer of wealth through the assets, to private parties that seek profit at any price. Frequently, deceit, deception and distortion are used to fleece the taxpayer into this ‘solution’ for governments that are broke.
American local, county, state and the federal governments have gone broke and are ripe for the sale of their assets to PPP’s because of deficit spending, and a lack of economic common sense. John Maynard Keynes promoted deficit spending to Roosevelt as a way to escape the Depression. This results in diluted government and loss of power.
Ms. Veon reports that the only way to combat this is: * being alert and recognizing this scam * understanding the structure and intent of the PPP * taking action by exposing the PPP deceit at government meetings
For a wealth of information on PPP’s and related topics, please visit Ms. Veon’s website at http://www.womensgroup.org.
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7th July 2011 at 9:00 pm
Administrator says:
bigargon
I’m all for prayer and fasting as an individual choice between a person and God. When politicians invoke the name of God in their seeking public office, I will expose them for the liars and hypocrites they are.
Bush didn’t call for sacrifice and prayer after 9/11. He told everyone to buy a GM SUV with 0% down and 0% interest from GMAC to defeat terrorism.
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7th July 2011 at 9:09 pm
flash says:
no truer words ever written
Ecclesiastes 10:1-3 (New International Version)
1 As dead flies give perfume a bad smell, so a little folly outweighs wisdom and honor. 2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left. 3 Even as he walks along the road, the fool lacks sense and shows everyone how stupid he is.
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7th July 2011 at 9:26 pm
AwholeDr says:
Nice thread. Admin even quoting the bible.
Using religion in politics/war is about the cheapest way to get votes or support for a war imaginable; all you have to do is open your mouth. Works every time.
Don;t blame GOD for religion.
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7th July 2011 at 9:42 pm
efarmer says:
Is it better to have a hypocritical war mongering Christian president, or a lying war mongering Muslim leading these unlawful wars?
EF
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7th July 2011 at 9:43 pm
Administrator says:
Gotta love google. Here is a list of the ads showing up in this thread:
Christian Art
Jesus at Wal-Mart
Muslims should know
Religious studies online
Seeking Religious Life?
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7th July 2011 at 9:48 pm
Administrator says:
efarmer
I’ll pick door number 3. How about an honest Christian President who will end the wars, bring the troops home and tell the truth to the American public? His name is Ron Paul.
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7th July 2011 at 9:58 pm
AwholeDr says:
Jesus at Wal-Mart?
I can’t resist,
Jesus and Mary Magdalene at Wal-Mart:
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7th July 2011 at 9:59 pm
llpoh says:
Stuck et al – I do not belive there is any individual that can single- handedly deal with the mess. We need to toss out the current officials in mass, and replace themwith people who are interested in doing the job, not in being re-elected. Without the support of Congress and the Senate even Washington or Eisenhower would be ineffective.
So, in short, we are screwed.
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7th July 2011 at 10:12 pm
Dave says:
Administrator says:
Dave
“I think you are losing your fucking mind. I’ve provided my position on every issue noted in your assanine response.”
Don’t try to use big words you don’t understand. ASININE
Your position on the issues is the same as everyone elses. Bent over with cheeks spread wide, waiting for the government. It’s over in this country, and the Representative from TEXAS isn’t going to save a fucking thing. WE THE PEOPLE are not in charge anymore.
I came to this site looking for advice and common sense commentary on how to deal with what goes on in this country. Mostly I see inane rants similar to the daily shit I can watch on MSNBC.
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7th July 2011 at 9:35 am
Kill Bill says:
My point is Dave that Beck came out the other day and says he hates conservatives,
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7th July 2011 at 10:12 am
Kill Bill says:
But Beck also gives a 10-minute interview with Raj Nair, GBTV’s head correspondent, during which both speak about misconceptions surrounding Beck. At one point, Beck asks himself and Nair about what the average person thinks of his political leanings, and Nair agrees the perception is that he is a Republican.
Not so, says Beck.
“I hate them. I think they are as much of a problem as the other side,” ~Glenn Beck
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7th July 2011 at 10:13 am
Kill Bill says:
I agree with this ONE of Becks opinions. The same two parties have been in power for 100 years +-They ARE BOTH responsible for the way government is today. Also, I guess you didnt read the Bachmann thread – I wrote I didnt hate her then pointed out her lack of getting ANY legislation passed. She isnt someone that can get people to come together on an issue. As for her religion I could care less is she kisses snakes at church.
As for the joke about Bachmanss calves I wasnt talking pf her family [some people took it that way] but the huge calves of her lower legs that those farm subsidies fed. A joke.
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7th July 2011 at 10:22 am
Administrator says:
Dave
Don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
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7th July 2011 at 12:22 pm
Dave says:
Bill: “Iwrote I didnt hate her then pointed out her lack of getting ANY legislation passed. She isnt someone that can get people to come together on an issue.”
And Ron Paul has done what?
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7th July 2011 at 12:29 pm
Dave says:
Administrator says:
Dave
Don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
Jim: Don’t fret about it.
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7th July 2011 at 12:30 pm
Administrator says:
Ron Paul has told the truth for 28 years in Congress.
Anyone else in Congress told the truth for 28 straight years and is beholden to no special interest groups? Anyone?
Sound of crickets from Dave.
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7th July 2011 at 3:08 pm
Colma Rising says:
While I appreciate Dave’s work with the RNC in the lost battle against Marin County Libtard Thugs in the early ’90s (that was Dave, right?)… the knee-jerk Party Hack shit has to stop. Palin? Bachman? Good looking?
Dude, where you been, a cave? They look like menopause bombs, not bombshells.
Rick Perry is a fraud. At least you know what you’re getting with Obama Bush III.
You hear similarities with MSM coverage and TBP comments?
Really?
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7th July 2011 at 3:49 pm