ISRAEL TO ATTACK IRAN?

Zero Hedge with a very disturbing article. This would fit nicely into the Fourth Turning storyline.

I really want to know SSS’ opinion about Robert Baer. Did he know him? Are his warnings credible? Is he just looking for publicity or is he trying to stop a terrible event from happening?

If Israel is foolish enough to start a war, oil prices will set records and destroy our economic house of cards.

CVN 77 G.H.W. Bush Enters Persian Gulf As CIA Veteran Robert Baer Predicts September Israel-Iran War

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Submitted by Tyler Durden on 07/17/2011 16:02 -0400

One look at the most recent naval update maps shows that in addition to global insolvency (courtesy of the broke European dominoes and a potentially technically broke US), a UK on the verge of a parliamentary scandal courtesy of a media baron whose empire is crumbling, and not to mention yet another downward inflection point in the global economic slowdown courtesy of the end of QE2 and no replacement yet, market watchers may have to start factoring in geopolitical risk yet again. While the fact that Syria, Yemen, Egypt, Tunisia, and now Turkey, are ever more increasingly on edge is apparently something Mr. Market has managed to internalize, when it comes to geopolitics everyone stops to listen when renewed Iran-Israel rumblings reappear. Which may just be the case. As the most recently updated naval map from Stratfor demonstrates, the CVN 77 G.H.W. Bush has just entered the Persian Gulf, the first time a US aircraft carrier has passed through the Straits of Hormuz in months. What is also notable is that the LHD 5 Bataan amphibious warfare ship has just weighed anchor right next to Libya: this is odd since the coast of Tripoli had been left unattended for many weeks by US attack ships. And topping it all off is that a third aircraft carrier, the CVN 73, is sailing west from the South China seas, potentially with a target next to CVN 76 Ronald Reagan which is the second carrier in the Straits of Hormuz area. Three carriers in proximity to Iran would be extremely troubling, yet fit perfectly with the story of CIA veteran Robert Baer, the man played by George Clooney in Syriana, who as Al Jazeera reports, appeared on KPFK Los Angeles, warning that Israeli PM Netanyahu is “likely to ignite a war with Iran in the very near future.” It gets worse: “Masters asked Baer why the US military is not mobilising to stop this war from happening. Baer responded that the military is opposed, as is former Secretary of Defense Robert Gates, who used his influence to thwart an Israeli attack during the Bush and Obama administrations. But he’s gone now and “there is a warning order inside the Pentagon” to prepare for war.” The punchline: “There is almost “near certainty” that Netanyahu is “planning an attack [on Iran] … and it will probably be in September before the vote on a Palestinian state. And he’s also hoping to draw the United States into the conflict“, Baer explained.” For the betting public out there, an September CL call may not be the dumbest trade possible…

First, the naval update per Stratfor:

And, courtesy of Al Jazeera and Haaretz, the full take from Robert Baer:

Earlier this week, Robert Baer appeared on the provocative KPFK Los Angeles show Background Briefing, hosted by Ian Masters. It was there that he predicted that Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu is likely to ignite a war with Iran in the very near future.

Robert Baer has had a storied career, including a stint in Iraq in the 1990s where he organised opposition to Saddam Hussein. (He was recalled after being accused of trying to organise Saddam’s assassination.) Upon his retirement, he received a top decoration for meritorious service.

Baer is no ordinary CIA operative. George Clooney won an Oscar for playing a character based on Baer in the film Syriana (Baer also wrote the book).

He obviously won’t name many of his sources in Israel, the United States, and elsewhere, but the few he has named are all Israeli security figures who have publically warned that Netanyahu and Defense Minister Ehud Barak are hell-bent on war.

Most former Mossad chiefs wary of Netanyahu

Baer was especially impressed by the unprecedented warning about Netanyahu’s plans by former Mossad chief Meir Dagan. Dagan left the Israeli intelligence agency in September 2010. Two months ago, he predicted that Israel would attack and said that doing so would be “the stupidest thing” he could imagine. According to Haaretz:

When asked about what would happen in the aftermath of an Israeli attack Dagan said that: “It will be followed by a war with Iran. It is the kind of thing where we know how it starts, but not how it will end.”

The Iranians have the capability to fire rockets at Israel for a period of months, and Hizbollah could fire tens of thousands of grad rockets and hundreds of long-range missiles, he said.

According to Ben Caspit of the Israeli daily Maariv, Dagan’s blasts at Israel’s political leadership are significant not only because Mossad chiefs, in office or retired, traditionally have kept their lips sealed, but also because Dagan is very conservative on security matters.

Caspit writes that Dagan is “one of the most rightwing militant people ever born here. … When this man says that the leadership has no vision and is irresponsible, we should stop sleeping soundly at night”.

Dagan describes the current Israeli government as “dangerous and irresponsible” and views speaking out against Netanyahu as his patriotic duty.

And his abhorrence of Netanyahu is not uncommon in the Israeli security establishment. According to Think Progress, citing the Forward newspaper, 12 of the 18 living ex-chiefs of Israel’s two security agencies (Mossad and Shin Bet), are “either actively opposing Netanyahu’s stances or have spoken out against them”. Of the remaining six, two are current ministers in Netanyahu government, leaving a grand total of four out of 18 who independently support the prime minister.

In short, while Congress dutifully gives Netanyahu 29 standing ovations, the Israelis who know the most about both Netanyahu and Israel’s strategic situation think he is a dangerous disaster.

But according to Baer, we ain’t seen nothing yet.

There is almost “near certainty” that Netanyahu is “planning an attack [on Iran] … and it will probably be in September before the vote on a Palestinian state. And he’s also hoping to draw the United States into the conflict”, Baer explained.

The Israeli air force would attack “Natanz and other nuclear facilities to degrade their capabilities. The Iranians will strike back where they can: Basra, Baghdad”, he said, and even Afghanistan. Then the United States would jump into the fight with attacks on Iranian targets. “Our special forces are already looking at Iranian targets in Iraq and across the border [in Iran] which we would strike. What we’re facing here is an escalation, rather than a planned out-and-out war. It’s a nightmare scenario. We don’t have enough troops in the Middle East to fight a war like that.” Baer added, “I think we are looking into the abyss”.

Another US war?

Masters asked Baer why the US military is not mobilising to stop this war from happening. Baer responded that the military is opposed, as is former Secretary of Defense Robert Gates, who used his influence to thwart an Israeli attack during the Bush and Obama administrations. But he’s gone now and “there is a warning order inside the Pentagon” to prepare for war.

It should be noted that the Iranian regime is quite capable of triggering a war with the United States through some combination of colossal stupidity and sheer hatred. In fact, as Baer explained, the Iranian Revolutionary Guard would welcome a war. They are “paranoid”. They are “worried about … what’s happening to their country economically, in terms of the oil embargo and other sanctions”. And they are worried about a population that increasingly despises the regime.

They need an external enemy. Because we are leaving Iraq, it’s Israel. But in order to make this threat believable, they would love an attack on their nuclear facilities, love to go to war in Bahrain and Saudi Arabia and Iraq and hit us where they could. Their defense is asymmetrical. We can take out all of their armored units. It’s of little difference to them, same with their surface-to-air missile sites. It would make little difference because they would use terrorism. They would do serious damage to our fleet in the Gulf.

Given all that, is it possible that the United States would allow Israel to attack when the president knows we would be forced to join the war on Israel’s side?

“The president is up for re-election next year,” Blair pointed out, and Israel is “truly out of control”.

What happens when you see 100 F-16’s approaching Iraq and there is a call to the White House [from Netanyahu] that says “We’re going in, we’re at war with Iran”? What does the President of the United States do? He has little influence over Bibi Netanyahu. … We can’t stop him. And he knows it.

It’s a pretty frightening scenario, made infinitely more so by the fact that top Israelis (who have heard Netanyahu’s thinking from Netanyahu himself) also see the future the same way. Those Israelis deserve a world of credit for sounding the warning bell loudly enough that we would hear it and do something about it – although it’s impossible to know if the people who matter are paying attention.

Actually, only one person matters: the US president. If Israel bombed Iran tomorrow, Congress would forget all about their partisan differences and run, not walk, to the House and Senate floors to endorse the attack and call for unstinting support for Israel. That is what Congress always does, and will always do so long as the lobby (and the donors it directs) are the key players in making our Middle East policies.

And who knows what Obama would do? So far, he has not exactly distinguished himself when it comes to standing up to Netanyahu.

But an Israeli attack on Iran would be different. It would endanger countless Americans (in the region and here at home, too). It would kill off any economic recovery by causing oil prices to skyrocket. It would engulf us in another Middle East war. And it would threaten the existence of the state of Israel.

This is something the president needs to focus on instead of being forced to nickel and dime with the likes of Representative Eric Cantor and Senator Mitch McConnell. How incredible that these two, and their right-wing allies, have our government tied in knots in their incessant effort to elevate themselves by destroying the President of the United States. It is sickening.

h/t devaang

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Colma Rising
Colma Rising
July 17, 2011 5:54 pm

Too burned out to say much else, so:

Muahahahahaha! Another Bad Religion song for you guys…

THE EMPIRE STRIKES FIRST!!!

We strike first
And we’re unrehearsed
Here we go again
To stage the greatest show on heaven and earth
Come on, get your money’s worth

Don’t wanna live
(can’t live)
Don’t wanna give
(can’t give)
Don’t wanna be
(won’t be)
E-M-P-I-R-E
Don’t wanna live
Don’t wanna be
E-M-P-I-R-E

We’re comin on fast
And we’re built to last
We stumbled once in ‘Nam
Now we’re glad to finally say
Those days have passed
Tell me how long can it last!

Don’t wanna live
(can’t live)
Don’t wanna give
(can’t give)
Don’t wanna be
(won’t be)
E-M-P-I-R-E
Don’t wanna live
Don’t wanna be
E-M-P-I-R-E

We just started out
You don’t need to be afraid
Yeah you deserve two minutes hate

Well, we spit and we cursed and our bleeding hearts burst
But even ten million souls
Marching in February couldn’t stop the worst,
Couldn’t reverse

Don’t wanna live
Don’t wanna give
Don’t wanna be
E-M-P-I-R-E
Don’t wanna live
Don’t wanna be
E-M-P-I-R-E

I can’t live
If it isn’t with you

-“The Empire Strikes First”, Bad Religion

howard in nyc
howard in nyc
July 17, 2011 6:01 pm

i have read this same prediction many times over the past ten years. that an attack on iran by the us and/or israel is imminent. don’t know what is different about this one. i would not count on it.

now, another war with hizballa in lebanon–that i can see.

Zara
Zara
July 17, 2011 6:15 pm

If there is any truth to this, Obama could halt it in a second by going public with Netanyahu’s plans and declare that the US will not support it nor participate unless attacked.

Steve Hogan
Steve Hogan
July 17, 2011 6:20 pm

I don’t suppose it makes any difference to point out that there is not one shred of verifiable evidence indicating a nuke weapons program in Iran. Our latest national intelligence estimate claims the same, as has the IAEA. Sources within the Israeli government also concede this point.

And yet…we still hear threats of attacks from Israel. I fail to see who gains from an insane military strike. The Iranian regime would be bolstered by such a move, and terrorist incidents and rocket launches would be unleashed. The world’s economy would be plunged into a depression. American soldiers and civilians would be targets. For what? So Israel can wipe out an imaginary threat?

HoosierGuy
HoosierGuy
July 17, 2011 6:20 pm

Howard

I agree. I’ve heard them too. But it seems the difference THIS time is that many of the warnings come not from outside sources …. but from Israeli Insiders.

Colma Rising
Colma Rising
July 17, 2011 6:27 pm

Howard: Better hope so… I think oil prices would be the last thing on our minds should a mushroom cloud appear.

You’re right though… the cry of “Wolf!” Is falling on deaf ears…

I’ll turn a blind eye to deaf ears.

HoosierGuy
HoosierGuy
July 17, 2011 6:31 pm

Howard / Colma

Sure, turn a deaf ear. I don’t blame you. But you do know how THAT fairy tale turned out?

Eventually, the boy who cried wolf was CORRECT.

mdt3
mdt3
July 17, 2011 6:32 pm

Life as we know it is going to change for the worse one way or the other, so you might as well get used to it. I would not worry about Israel, though. Because He who watches over Israel never slumbers or sleeps(Psalm 121:4).

howard in nyc
howard in nyc
July 17, 2011 6:33 pm

like i always say, in the land of the deaf ear, the one-blind eye is sultan

Colma Rising
Colma Rising
July 17, 2011 6:39 pm

Tru-dat, Howard, tru-dat.

HoosierGuy
HoosierGuy
July 17, 2011 6:40 pm

mdt3

“But if you [Israel] do not obey Me …. I also will do this to you: I will even appoint terror over you, wasting disease and fever which shall consume the eyes and cause sorrow of heart. And you shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it. I will set My face against you, and you shall be defeated by your enemies. Those who hate you shall reign over you, and you shall flee when no one pursues you.” ———- Leviticus 25

The Jewish God is a fickle one. I wouln’t be counting on too much support from that source.

Colma Rising
Colma Rising
July 17, 2011 6:43 pm

“I am that I am and that’s all that I am is the God of Abraham”

Colma’s bible ditty, to the tune of Popeye

Colma Rising
Colma Rising
July 17, 2011 6:52 pm

Hoosierguy says:

[img]http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRy0OIQIyKWQpN_CZo1AuLriXh5sSn7CdDNibQHz7rElXnqbDlagg[/img]

“The Jewish God is a fickle one. I wouln’t be counting on too much support from that source.”

crazyivan
crazyivan
July 17, 2011 6:59 pm

I cummed once with a splat landing right in the middle of my right iris and another splat dripped into my right ear canal- effectivly shutting down all stimulus to my left hemisphere (brain wise).

It was a fun couple of days before the effect wore off.

Sorry for the relevance thing.

Stan
Stan
July 17, 2011 8:47 pm

There will be no war between Israel and Iran. So don’t even worry, this is hog wash.

Hold me to this come about December.

specie
specie
July 17, 2011 8:49 pm

robert wenzel seems to think this is important because Krugman tweeted about it.

here’s what he had to say:

All this is real interesting, but here’s the real kicker: Economist Nouriel Roubini has tweeted the link to the ZeroHedge story. As long-term EPJ readers know, I consider Roubini the most connected man in finance. He has a small house warming party and George Soros shows up. To ring in the New Year, he shows up at billionaire Russian oligarch Roman Abramovich’s New Year’s eve party. He gave Larry Summers stock in his company. Within hours of DSK being arrested, he tweeted that Christine Lagarde would take his place–as she has done. He is a consultant to most of the central banks in the world.

I have never seen Roubini tweeting on foreign affairs before, he is unlikely to be tweeting because he finds the story interesting. The story likely falls in line with what he is hearing from his very in the know network.

Israel-Iran war in September, mark your calendar.

link here:

http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2011/07/israel-iran-war-in-september.html

specie
specie
July 17, 2011 8:51 pm

damn i had my mainstream economists wrong

where’s the effing edit key when you need it?

he said roubini

howard in nyc
howard in nyc
July 17, 2011 9:04 pm

damn. i had an anti-krugman rant locked and loaded.

howard in nyc
howard in nyc
July 17, 2011 9:05 pm

hey specie–you think i should unleash my abrasive, know-it-all persona i display here over on the wall street examiner site? how long would lee adler let me run this bullshit on his site?

llpoh
llpoh
July 17, 2011 9:07 pm

I think that if push comes to shove, Israel couldn’t give a rat’s ass what the US thinks. I have long held the opinion that Israel believes that it could be destroyed if Iran gets a nuclear weapon. If they do believe that, and if they do believe that Iran is getting close to having nukes, then I would expect them to attack Iran. It matters not one whit what anyone else believes – Israel will make its own decision on this.

The US needs to stay out of it.

I am also of the opinion that Iran would quite likely drop a nuke on Tel Aviv the minute they gert one. I know many disagree with that opinion. I simply believe that the bastards are not sane and that their hatred and religious fervor will overshadow reason in the end.

Colma Rising
Colma Rising
July 17, 2011 9:08 pm

I looked at the pdf, I will try to find more, but the pdf says they have to reimburse at market price…

Colma Rising
Colma Rising
July 17, 2011 9:11 pm

And they haven’t been filling the tanks on the F-16’s at the corner texaco since then either, I know…

specie
specie
July 17, 2011 9:47 pm

Hey howard

i did notice how different your posts are

things get a little wild here sometimes

but lee is way to strict over there

howard in nyc
howard in nyc
July 17, 2011 9:57 pm

this is closer to my true personality. but those dudes have tons more knowledge and experience than me when it comes to trading. i am a loudmouth, but i know when it is time to shut up and listen.

i like that during the trading day, it is strict on-topic only. but i enjoy it when the discussion ranges more widely on the weekends. the ‘no politics’ rule has it’s benefits, though.

specie
specie
July 17, 2011 9:59 pm

religion and politics

it’s amazing the number of bread and circus activities to entertain the sheeple while the ptb screw them over

ron
ron
July 17, 2011 10:59 pm

So your neighbor says he hates your guts,tells people he well make you disappear.So what are you going to do?wait for him to do it?After reading the article i just got the feeling you just have a problem with jews.Hell were killing people on the other side of the world and spending a fortune to do it,over 911?most of those idiots were from saudi arabia..Put yourself in their shoes surrounded by all those peace lovin arabs.

Dragline
Dragline
July 17, 2011 11:39 pm

Great video, Colma.

Alex X
Alex X
July 18, 2011 12:00 am

If this first broke on KPFK one can be sure it’s most likely nonsense. An amateur-hour far lefty piece of junk public station.

SSS
SSS
July 18, 2011 12:29 am

Admin

I did not know Robert Baer. He left the CIA in 1996 after 21 years of service in the Middle East Division, and I was an officer in the Latin America Division my entire 20 years of service before retiring in 2007. We never crossed paths. The CIA is highly compartmentalized. You wonder into another area’s department on a strict case-by-case basis.

Baer said, per the article above, “The Israeli air force would attack Natanz and other nuclear facilities to degrade their capabilities. The Iranians will strike back where they can: Basra, Baghdad”, he said, and even Afghanistan. Then the United States would jump into the fight with attacks on Iranian targets. “Our special forces are already looking at Iranian targets in Iraq and across the border [in Iran] which we would strike. What we’re facing here is an escalation, rather than a planned out-and-out war. It’s a nightmare scenario. We don’t have enough troops in the Middle East to fight a war like that.” Baer added, “I think we are looking into the abyss.”

Now, to answer your other questions.

Are his warnings credible? Yes and no. Baer doesn’t know shit about the “plans and intentions” of Netanyahu and the Israeli government. Neither does the CIA, for that matter. He’s guessing about a plausible senario. I don’t disagree with the scenario. It may or may not come true. Baer is just guessing.

Is he just looking for publicity or is he trying to stop a terrible event from happening? Baer now makes his living from publicity and commentary. I choose Door #1.

I have stated several times on this site that the Israeli government, particularly under Netanyahu, will take action against Iran if it has credible evidence, whatever that may be, Iran has the capability to destroy the state of Israel. Please read that sentence again. THEREFORE, ISRAEL WILL NOT ASK THE PERMISSION OR APPROVAL OF THE UNITED STATES TO ATTACK. THEY WILL JUST ATTACK.

We’ll see what happens next if they do. Robert Baer doesn’t have a better chystal ball than I do.

llpoh
llpoh
July 18, 2011 12:36 am

SSS – I said the same thing above. Right you are. Israel will not hesitate if it comes to it. Personally, if they have the evidence, and I were them, I think I would do the same thing. I would not be able to trust Iran. Not at all.

Zara
Zara
July 18, 2011 1:00 am

SSS, Should the US obliterate Israel if it finds credible evidence that it was behind 9/11?

SSS
SSS
July 18, 2011 1:23 am

llpoh said,

“I am also of the opinion that Iran would quite likely drop a nuke on Tel Aviv the minute they get one. I know many disagree with that opinion. I simply believe that the bastards are not sane and that their hatred and religious fervor will overshadow reason in the end.”

I am inclined to disagree. Iranians are sane and very rational. What would they gain from attacking Israel with a nuclear weapon, besides the possible obliteration of their country? Israel has over 200 nuclear weapons, after all.

The U.S. can safely step back from this powderkeg. It will or will not happen, regardless of our so-called “power” in the region.

Can we get something from this trillion-dollar bullshit of Middle Eastern Wars?

The answer is no. Out. Get the fuck out.

llpoh
llpoh
July 18, 2011 1:40 am

SSS – I agree vis-a-vis get the fuck out. However, re the insanity part, I strongly disagree. These are the same sons of bitches that sent their kids into the landmines and up against the Iraqi machine guns unarmed, sacrificing them by the thousands and tens of thousands. Things do not get much more insane than that – and it wasn’t that long ago. If they were prepared to do that, what would they have done if they had nukes? I believe they would have used them without hesitation. I think their only hesitation would have been to use them against Iraq, or to use them against Israel. People forget the atrocities that they perpetrated on their own people. Perhaps you are right – but if my life depended on it (thankfully it doesn’t), I think I would shoot first and ask questions later. I believe the Israeilis may well feel the same way.

Buckhed
Buckhed
July 18, 2011 1:47 am

If Iran were to drop a nuke on Tel Aviv the damage and fallout would be shared by Syria,Lebanon and perhaps a few other countries. In addition making Jerusalem radioactive wouldn’t make a lot of Muslims happy either since Jerusalem is a important part of their culture too .

Israel attacking Iran may happen but my guess is they’ll do it with cyber technology and agents of the Mossad .

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Mikey
Mikey
July 18, 2011 2:15 am

I agree with SSS

Israel only cares about Israeli goals and Israeli survival. Israel has always had an unwritten policy of “you hit me, I’ll hit you back 10 times harder”. They are completely surrounded by people that hate them, and have hated them for centuries. The Jewish people have been made punching bags for every flavour of racism and religous intolerance since before the crusades. They have one recourse and one only – being tougher and nastier sons and daughters of bitches than the other guys.

To not blink during a confrontation, to not give a damn what the rest of the world thinks of them, and to strike first when they know the other side is lining up their shot. Like Han Solo, they shoot first while Greedo is saying how tough he is.

You shoot at their ambulances, they’ll level your hospital. You bomb their school, they’ll burn a couple of yours to the ground. You fire at their villages, they’ll invade your country, clean out most of one of your cities and stay there.

You stay out of their way, they’ll stay out of yours. You threaten them, they won’t threaten back. They’ll just act before you’ve even had a chance to finish your sentence.

I have a lot of respect for what the Israelis have done. I don’t always like their methods but you have to admit they don’t believe in half measures. When they start something, they finish it. I do feel sorry for the innocent people that get in the way though – they are not very kind to non-Israelis.

Iran knows this. Iran may threaten, bluster and pose, but they know that if they tried anything against Israel, they’re fucked. Even if they ‘win’, Israel will glass or poison every square centimetre of dirt in a final strike.

It is exactly like the MAD that existed between the USA and the USSR in the 50s. Only difference is that they are a lot closer together. There are religious and political nutters in both countries, but there are also hard-headed realists, and men and women that love their children and just want to live their lives peacefully.

Stan
Stan
July 18, 2011 4:59 am

SSS, remember that Iran is ran by the Mullahs. They are waiting on the 12th coming of the muslim saviour and they think that a huge war against infedels will speed it up.

They also believe that they will gain 72 freaking virgins if they die fighing the great satan of Israel and America.

Sane and rational? You be the judge

Nonanonymous
Nonanonymous
July 18, 2011 7:47 am

Mikey,

I disagree, Israel’s purposes are no more pure than anyone else’s. They’re essentially an Arab state, ethnically, with an extremist element that is above everyone else in politics and the military. They’re essentially a bunch of swine living off of US deficit spending much like the rest of the world.

Left to themselves, they would not exist today or tomorrow, so they damn well better ask permission.

Zara
Zara
July 18, 2011 5:17 pm

Stan, the “twelver” sect of Shia islam is a small minority in Iran. The Supreme Leader, Khamanei isn’t one of them. The notion that a surprise attack on Iran by Israel is justified because Iran’s leaders are irrational is nothing but Israeli propaganda. Seriously, are their religious whackjobs any more dangerous than ours?

Mikey
Mikey
July 18, 2011 6:15 pm

@Nonanonymous

I never meant to imply their purposes were pure, just that their international policy was very single minded, brutal, and because of that, effective.

I do disagree with you when you say they wouldn’t exist without US money. The reason Israel receives so much US money is because the US is full of religous nutters. Both Jewish AND the nominally ‘Christian’ cults that thrive in the US demand money be sent to Israel. These groups either believe that supporting the Jewish state is nessecary because “the Jews deserve it” or because “it’s needed to make the Second Coming of Christ happen”. Add to that the ‘Anti-Moslem’ brigade that has only really appeared in the past decade or so.

In the 50s and 60s Israel needed foreign currency to build their economy and their military (don’t forget it didn’t exist as a country before 1948). They were self-supporting though by the 70s.

So why do they still receive money from the US? Well if someone sends you a couple of shipping containers full of cash with a post-it note on the outside saying, “please remember we’re on the same side,” are you going to say no?

llpoh
llpoh
July 18, 2011 8:00 pm

True enough, Admin. Are they more dangerous to Israel than Iran? (That may be true, too! But I doubt Israel sees it that way.).

Only 25 years ago Iran sent its “basij” into war against Iraq. The basij were the young (as young as twelve) and the old. They were massacred by the thousands and tens of thousands, as they were sent in human waves against superior firepower, sometimes armed only with their fists. Ahmadinejad was involved in this, and still wears his basij uniform proudly. Make no mistake, there are a lot of nutjobs in Iran. I would not trust them if I were Israel. Hell, I wouldn’t trust them no matter what. I would leave them the hell alone, thou, from the US perspective.

SSS
SSS
July 18, 2011 10:56 pm

@ Admin, who said above, “I think everyone in the Middle East is crazy. That is why we should get the fuck out.”

“This is a rough neighborhood.”

— Saddam Hussein, to his FBI handler after his capture

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