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Above is a clock showing how successful the War on Drugs has been YTD. We are spending $40 billion per year on the War on Drugs. Here are a couple of facts from the data above:
- Cost per arrest is $24,497
- Cost per non-marijuana arrest is $50,615
- Cost per person imprisoned is $3,767,706
Based upon the facts above, the legalization of marijuana would save taxpayers about $20 billion per year. If we allowed it to be taxed, it would generate a few billion in tax revenue.
Is the war on marijuana worth it? Can we afford to fight this war? I wonder what SSS thinks?
OF says:
Thanks!
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25th July 2011 at 12:08 pm
SSS says:
I shall return fire with a brief article I’m working on. Stay tuned.
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25th July 2011 at 12:10 pm
sss says:
Listen up you fools, let me say it for the millionth time …. MARIJUANA IS A GATEWAY DRUG !!!!
Marijuana leads to cocaine which leads to heroin which leads to excessive masturbation which leads to becoming a homo.
Do you really want your children to play Spank the Monkey in your basement until they are in their 20′s? Of course not. You want your boys to get pussy, and your girls to get cock.
Not having a homo offspring is worth about $4 million dollars, so the economics you posted above are moot.
Fuck pot.
Hot debate. What do you think?
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25th July 2011 at 12:12 pm
Administrator says:
SSS
Take some of your medical marijuana before writing the article. It focuses the mind.
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25th July 2011 at 12:19 pm
SSS says:
Someone doppelganged me above. Admin, I want you to thrash the scoundrel within an inch of his life. The article is ready for your review.
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25th July 2011 at 12:25 pm
Administrator says:
SSS
This doppelganging has to end. It is outrageous. I’m shocked and appalled. Someone has to put a stop to it. Can you get some of your CIA buddies on the case? I’ll thrash the cur if I get my hands on him.
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25th July 2011 at 12:28 pm
newsjunkie says:
Those statistics don’t tell the whole story. You have to factor in the profits made by the private prison industry and the savings that the prison labor force supplies to the military industrial complex. Then you have to think about the TBTF no longer laundering drug money and you see how the entire economy would collapse.
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25th July 2011 at 12:34 pm
howard in nyc says:
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i have backed off from the ongoing arguments about drugs. because i am confident that you understand the positions and ideas that i hold, you disagree, and my restating and repeating them is not going to move you. and vice versa.
however, i am moved to bring up something. in the peacock thread, you had this to say about poverty:
—So the real problem is poverty? Well, Lyndon Johnson stated the “War on Poverty” in the mid-1960s nearly a half-century ago. Public Housing. Food stamps. School lunches. And on fucking infinitum. How’s that working out for poverty, trillions of dollars later? Slightly worse than the 60s.
Get a clue. “Government isn’t the solution to problems, government is the problem.” Compliments of Ronald Reagan—
if we substitute ‘illegal drugs’ for ‘poverty’, you get one of the main arguments we ‘pro-drug’ folks have to offer. including the reagan caution.
forgive me if i misrepresent your view, but i believe you have responded to this argument that ‘even more money must be spent on enforcement and interdiction’. (please correct me if i have this wrong.)
yet, i am going to go one step further, and assume you would not suggest such action (more money, more resources) devoted to anti-poverty government measures.
i am very serious in this~i do not intend to try to change your mind, or to try to ‘win’ an argument on the internet.
i am sincerely interested in how you differentiate these two situations. just because i do not see a difference (and i do not), does not mean differences do not exist. and i speak only of efficacy–not import, moral imperative, or any other need for action. only efficacy, and/or alternative effective measures.
i will assume we agree drug addiction is a holy fucking terror, a mortal threat to society as well as to the individual. as is poverty (although the definition is dicey, and actually i believe the war on poverty was a success; the war on ignorance, horrible schools and job opportunities, not so much. but starvation and homelessness of non-mentally ill folks is a hell of a lot lower than in the 60s in america, but i digress.).
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25th July 2011 at 12:45 pm
matt says:
In a word, ridiculous. Some of the highest paid union workers in California are prison officials. The war on drugs is just another scheme to make a very few rich by punishing many. What a joke.
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25th July 2011 at 1:04 pm
Buckhed says:
SSS…old age is a gateway to dementia…..I’m sorry but your brain cells are too far gone to bring you back to reality .
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25th July 2011 at 1:18 pm
Buckhed says:
Jim…did you know that Disneyland is a gateway to fun !
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25th July 2011 at 1:23 pm
flash says:
I’ll bet Salma hits the bong right before she hits the sack.
You might want to get yourself a stash SSS, just in case you run into Salma at the next NORML rally.
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25th July 2011 at 1:33 pm
flash says:
Catherine Austin Fitts does a fine expose’ on how the War on Drugs is really a WIN/WIN for Wall Street and their cronies in DC.
It’s a long read , but well worth it.
http://dunwalke.com/introduction.htm
Dillon Read & Co. Inc. & the Aristocracy of Prison Profits
by Catherine Austin Fitts
Dillon Read & Co. Inc. & the Aristocracy of Prison Profits
by Catherine Austin Fitts
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25th July 2011 at 1:38 pm
newsjunkie says:
Research Dick Cheney’s connections to prison profits.
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25th July 2011 at 1:48 pm
Administrator says:
Be nice to SSS. He is the wise old man of TBP.
If you guys keep pounding on him, he might slice his next drive into the woods.
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25th July 2011 at 1:52 pm
SSS says:
howard
You make a lot of points I agree with, but you’re comparing apples to oranges, just like Admin does with his “look at what alcohol does to people.” The subject is illegal drugs. Let me ask one simple question (again, if I may). If legalizing drugs were the answer, why has not one single country on Earth done so?
flash
You crossed a line, twice, by double posting that picture of Salma. You must understand one simple rule here on TBP. Posting photos of Salma Hayek are under my exclusive purview. Thank you for your understanding.
And you’ve posted that link to Catherine Austin Fitts before. When it comes to conspiracy theories on drug smuggling and the CIA, that woman is nuttier than a fruitcake. I’m sure it does wonders for her bank account, though, when she collects speaking fees to spew out that shit to gullible audiences.
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25th July 2011 at 2:02 pm
newsjunkie says:
Flash,
Excellent link. I’ll have to read that thoroughly when I’m not working.
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25th July 2011 at 2:03 pm
SSS says:
Admin
I don’t slice. But I do have a vicious hook that, when it rears its ugly head, members of my golf group stare at in disbelief as it does a 90-degree left turn into never-never land. As a corrective measure, I then aim way right and hit the ball dead straight into the shit again. Fucking game drives me crazy.
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25th July 2011 at 2:08 pm
Jiggerjuice says:
Do what you want to do. If I happen to find you in my house, though, I’m using Ohio’s Castle Doctrine. Especially if I’ve already seen you casing my hood. Fucking meth addicts. Staggered rounds in my clips, FMJ + HP.
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25th July 2011 at 2:12 pm
AwholeDr says:
SSS with his golf buddies. Who says biscuits and gravy aren’t addictive?
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25th July 2011 at 2:17 pm
Kill Bill says:
Listen up you fools, let me say it for the millionth time …. MARIJUANA IS A GATEWAY DRUG !!!! -sss
No, I didnt try pot till after I tried alcohol!!
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25th July 2011 at 2:17 pm
newsjunkie says:
SSS,
This is your game, isn’t it?
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25th July 2011 at 2:20 pm
Jackson says:
Administrator, do you realize what your proposal would do to the police departments, criminal justice system, and prisons in this country? Ending the war on drugs would lead to tens of thousands of state and federal layoffs. The U. S. already has an unemployment problem. Do you want to make it worse? One can only hope that the powerful public employee unions will nix any effort to reduce public spending which is so important for the health of our economy.
Remember that Nobel Price economist, Paul Krugman, has said that a decline in government employment and inadequate federal spending is the cause of our sputtering economy. (Business Insider 10.11.10.)
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25th July 2011 at 2:22 pm
AwholeDr says:
MARIJUANA IS A GATEWAY DRUG!
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25th July 2011 at 2:24 pm
Kill Bill says:
Marijuana leads to cocaine which leads to heroin which leads to excessive masturbation which leads to becoming a homo. -sss?
So does robbing a bank and being sent to prison.
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25th July 2011 at 2:24 pm
Kill Bill says:
Did you know the old testament states that anointing oil contained cannabis?
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25th July 2011 at 2:28 pm
AwholeDr says:
SSS:
Born in the likeness and mindset of tricky-Dick Nixon
When’s the party?
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25th July 2011 at 2:33 pm
Kill Bill says:
Why sss cant hit a ball straight.
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25th July 2011 at 2:34 pm
newsjunkie says:
Jackson,
You are so right! In fact, if we really want to get this economy going again, we should outlaw more things! I can think of a few: golf, salt, vegetable gardens, cigarettes, cheesecake, pets, blogging. All those things could be bad for your HEALTH.
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25th July 2011 at 2:34 pm
SSS says:
Admin
These fucking idiots either can’t read or chose to ignore the fact that I was doppelganged above, but they seem to be having lots of fun taking potshots at me. Whatever.
Anyway, give me a clue on the doppelganger. Rhymes with?
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25th July 2011 at 3:17 pm
AwholeDr says:
Casey Anthony’s lucky she wasn’t caught with marijuana
It’s a good thing Casey Anthony wasn’t caught growing or selling marijuana or she’d still be in prison today. Casey Anthony walks free today. Dr. Mollie Fry is two months into a five year federal prison sentence, she and her husband bankrupted from court costs, lawyer fees, and appeals. Upon release in 2016, they’ll be approaching age 60 with a felony record and forbidden to work in the professions they’ve worked all their lives. Caylee Anthony is dead, her killer unpunished, while two fifty-something grandparents are punished for following a state law in order to help severely ill people.
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25th July 2011 at 3:26 pm
Administrator says:
SSS
Rhymes with Fuck.
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25th July 2011 at 3:44 pm
SSS says:
Admin
Thanks. I thought he was on vacation or dealing with some personal issues. Still lurking in the weeds, eh. Sooner or later, I’ll get him for this.
AwholeDr
The story on “Dr” Mollie Fry just breaks my heart. She said to the press, “Cannabis is proven medicine. Why would the state of California create laws based on what the people want, and then allow the federal Government to override them?” Fry asks. “We were growing medicine. I was helping people.” Stupid bitch didn’t even bother to check federal laws on growing marijuana plants and was doling out Mary Jane to 215 so-called patients!! And she can’t even understand the supremacy of federal over state law.
Dr. Fry’s license to practice has been revoked for some time now, as has her husband’s license to practice law. Christ, these two are in the running for Stupid Is As Stupid Does. In my view, when your license to practice medicine is revoked, you’re not a doctor anymore, and you can’t claim you have “patients.” As I said, stupid bitch.
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25th July 2011 at 4:07 pm
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SSS
HoosierGuy is his long lost cousin. He can relay your message.
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25th July 2011 at 4:30 pm
AwholeDr says:
“I was helping people.” The key phrase in her quote.
“And she can’t even understand the supremacy of federal over state law.”
“when your license to practice medicine is revoked, you’re not a doctor anymore”
The key phrases in your quote.
I see a slight discrepancy there. The ability to distinguish bullshit Federal laws over existing state laws. Let’s see, even the U.S. Attorney general (Eric “dick” Holder) is unable to enforce, or chooses not enforce, Federal laws in California.
So a person must have a license to be a doctor? Not a medical school education and diploma? By your reasoning, the state is responsible for determining who is a doctor? That’s frightening. So, when I go to Africa, I’m supposed to get a license there? Just because her license was taken away, doesn’t delete her desire to “help” other people nor delete her medical knowledge. Fuck helping other people, they should all be thrown in jail.
Somebody trying to help somebody else= stupid bitch.
REALLY?
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25th July 2011 at 4:38 pm
Muck About says:
Goddammit Stucky, if you are going to doppelgänger people around here that’s the last damn straw!
I’ll be laying in wait for you next time you admit to posting anything.
MA
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25th July 2011 at 4:39 pm
flash says:
SSS-When it comes to conspiracy theories on drug smuggling and the CIA, that woman is nuttier than a fruitcake.
Pigs always come to slop when called and there’s a lotta’ slop’ callin”
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25th July 2011 at 5:44 pm
llpoh says:
Howard – I simply cannot resist, so be nice.
But a black guy advocating the legalization fo drugs? Now there is a surprise!
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25th July 2011 at 8:11 pm
llpoh says:
Admin – your claim that legalizing pot will save $20 billion a year is logically flawed. All elephants are grey but all things grey are not elephants. Catching pot users may be a simple by-product of catching other drug criminals, and so may in reality cost very little. Kind of like when I spend $1000 fishing for tuna and catch some mackerel. Throwing back the mackerel will not reduce the cost of catching tuna.
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25th July 2011 at 8:14 pm
Administrator says:
llpoh
OK You got me. We’ll only save $10 billion. The Fed gov’t blows through that amount in 2.5 days.
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25th July 2011 at 8:31 pm
howard in nyc says:
no problem llpoh
i’m sure you won’t take this personally either
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25th July 2011 at 8:34 pm
llpoh says:
Howard – I can hardly wait for your response to my comment on “blogging sucks”, then, seeing as how you seem to be in a good mood and all. I was only warming up here.
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25th July 2011 at 8:39 pm
howard in nyc says:
so.
seems i have truly arrived at the highest echelon of the cast of characters here at the burning platform.
i have been dopplegangged.
wow. i am so proud.
here are some helpful hints, how to tell the real howard from the memorex.
first, my true avatar is kind of distinctive:
next, i don’t generally type phrases like “right on, brother”, unless you are in a time machine dialed to 1977.
finally, while i will, on rare occasion, make a kindly, friendly suggestion as to a sexual act a fellow poster might like to engage, i am loathe to invite any of my white brothers to place their lips anywhere on my person (be the member large or small, black or light caramel colored).
oh, the real me says ‘fuck’ a lot.
oh oh, any black guy slanging rock who understands street economics, the last fucking thing he wants is legalization. but, as a consumer, you are right, llpoh. (that was pretty funny; sorry my dopple didn’t dig it)
serves me right leaving you scamps alone for a few hours.
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25th July 2011 at 12:46 am
llpoh says:
Howard – you REALLY need to take a look at a comment I directed to you on the “Blogging Sucks” thread!
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25th July 2011 at 12:50 am
Novista says:
SSS
“the supremacy of federal over state law.” … You and Lincoln forevah!
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25th July 2011 at 7:44 am
Goldorack says:
never met a pot smoker that was a threat, exept for himself.
just sayin’
the dealers never smoke…mind it.
nor the cops do…
who has interrest in keeping the status quo?
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25th July 2011 at 8:14 am
Buckhed says:
Fuck Lincoln and the Federal Supremacy !
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25th July 2011 at 8:49 am
Opinionated Bloviator says:
So far I’d say the drugs are WINNING the war…
“Take marx, take christ, take drugs” The Doug Anthony All stars Commies for christ…
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25th July 2011 at 9:54 am
SSS says:
Novista said, “the supremacy of federal over state law.… You and Lincoln forevah!”
All I was saying was, if you’re gonna test the waters on growing marijuana, you damn well better know what ALL the laws are, not just California’s. Plus, that idiot said, “Cannabis is proven medicine.” Well, no, it isn’t. Period.
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25th July 2011 at 12:14 pm
AwholeDr says:
SSS
Showing his grandson beer is harmless….
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25th July 2011 at 12:46 pm
AwholeDr says:
What the prez wishes he could look like:
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25th July 2011 at 1:52 pm
newsjunkie says:
SSS’s cat:
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25th July 2011 at 1:59 pm
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25th July 2011 at 1:59 pm
newsjunkie says:
That’s a good one – I’ll have to look for one that works!
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25th July 2011 at 2:00 pm
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25th July 2011 at 2:07 pm
newsjunkie says:
I’ll just use one of Stuck’s favorite expressions now, fuckity fuck fuck fuck!
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25th July 2011 at 2:08 pm
Kill Bill says:
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/07/26/study-marijuana-compound-helps-mitigate-cocaine-addiction-in-mice/
Researchers in Maryland and Beijing have learned that a component marijuana helps mitigate cocaine addiction in mice, leading some to hope that marijuana may one day become the next big anti-addiction therapy.
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