Osama bin Laden got a 660,000,000% return on his investment. SIX HUNDRED AND SIXTY MILLION PERCENT. He’s dead, but we’ve bankrupted ourselves. He would have died eventually. We didn’t have to bankrupt ourselves. But we did. He won.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/09/08/us/sept-11-reckoning/cost-graphic.html
Welshman says:
War on Poverty, War on Drugs, War on Terror, and now we’re insolvent nation. Better get use to poverty, as our standard of living is going down.
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11th September 2011 at 12:24 pm
Stucky says:
I’ve read that the Afghan War bankrupted the old Soviet Union.
Now, the USA.
I’ll bet that was Osama’s plan all along.
If so Osama may hear these words from Allah (PBUH) …. “Well done, thou good and faithful servant, here are your 70 black-eyed virgins.”
He’s fucking. We’re fucked. What a plan!!
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11th September 2011 at 12:50 pm
Smokey says:
It is implied by many people that Bin Laden’s INTENTION with the 9/11 strike was to cause America to embark on an expensive long term war effort that would lead to bankruptcy.
That is mistaken at best and disingenuous at worst.
If a group of one hundred genius level IQ people , PRIOR to 9/11, had hypothesized what the aftermath of a single hijacked jet hitting each one of the twin towers would result in, probably a grand total of ZERO would have responded trillions of dollars spent by America over ten years on a misbegotten war.
Bin Laden probably did not even know that the weight of the planes combined with the fuel would cause the towers to collapse.
When I watched 9/11 unfold on television, I heard no one comment, prior to the buildings collapsing, that they may collapse.
All Bin Laden thought he was doing was killing a large number of infidels. The rest was gravy for him. He had no clue of the long-term financial damage he was doing.
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11th September 2011 at 1:11 pm
Smokey says:
Stuck,
I was writing while you were posting.
I stand by my statement though.
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11th September 2011 at 1:13 pm
Administrator says:
Smokey
Still waiting for the credible threat to materialize, even though the DHS drones have already admitted it isn’t credible?
I guess bin Laden just got lucky. He didn’t realize how stupid Bush and Cheney were.
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11th September 2011 at 1:17 pm
Administrator says:
Bin Laden: Goal is to bankrupt U.S.
November 01, 2004
The Arabic-language network Al-Jazeera released a full transcript Monday of the most recent videotape from Osama bin Laden in which the head of al Qaeda said his group’s goal is to force America into bankruptcy.
Al-Jazeera aired portions of the videotape Friday but released the full transcript of the entire tape on its Web site Monday.
“We are continuing this policy in bleeding America to the point of bankruptcy. Allah willing, and nothing is too great for Allah,” bin Laden said in the transcript.
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11th September 2011 at 1:20 pm
Smokey says:
JFC,
OF COURSE he said that, three years after the fact while he is watching America bankrupt it self with the wars.
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11th September 2011 at 1:26 pm
Administrator says:
Bin Laden had a degree in civil engineering.
“Due to my experience in this field, I was thinking that the fire from the gas in the plane would melt the iron structure of the building and collapse the area where the plane hit and all the floors above it only. This is all we had hoped for,” bin Laden said on the tape.
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11th September 2011 at 1:27 pm
Administrator says:
Smokey
In 2004 we had hardly begun the spending. JFC you are thick.
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11th September 2011 at 1:28 pm
Smokey says:
Administrator,
You are telling me that Bin Laden, three years after the attacks, didn’t read commentary from liberal ass pussies in the American media motherfucking the war and bitching about the money bankrupting the country?
Tell me about being thick.
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11th September 2011 at 1:34 pm
Smokey says:
Administrator,
Keep believing that the fucking diaper wearing jihadist was some kind of deep-thinking intellect.
The USA fought and won Gulf War 1 in a six month period. Yet, according to you, Bin Laden KNEW ALL ALONG that this second Iraq war would last years. That was Bin Laden’s INTENTION, that it would bankrupt this country.
Keep believing it.
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11th September 2011 at 1:39 pm
John says:
The USA fought and won Gulf War 1 in a six month period.
hmmmm , really? last i checked we were still there.
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11th September 2011 at 1:43 pm
Colma Rising says:
The only way Bin-Laden won was in making us all cower like infants at the thought of malnourished skinnies coming for us.
What a joke. The only jihad I’m afraid of is if some of the kitchen staff at a Paki restaurant gets too zealous with the spice in my bowl of tandori. Then my colon goes jihad and heats up the toilet bowl.
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11th September 2011 at 1:51 pm
Administrator says:
Smokey
Guess what? Even if he didn’t think he would bankrupt the US.
HE FUCKING DID IT.
Only a fool would think otherwise. Are you a fool?
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11th September 2011 at 1:55 pm
Administrator says:
$3.3 trillion/$500,000 = 660,000,000% ROI
Best investment in history was to short the USA on September 12, 2001.
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11th September 2011 at 1:59 pm
Administrator says:
I think we should double down and attack Iran. That should be a lot easier than Iraq or Afghanistan. I have a good feeling this time.
Don’t you concur Smokey?
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11th September 2011 at 2:02 pm
Smokey says:
Administrator,
I’m not the shallow fool who thinks Bin Laden INTENDED to bankrupt the USA.
BTW,
It is MORE ACCURATE to say that entitlement spending and bank bailouts are bankrupting the USA.
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11th September 2011 at 2:07 pm
Smokey says:
John,
Saying we are still there implies we never left.
I guess since we still have bases in Japan, that we are still fighting WW II, you fucking idiot.
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11th September 2011 at 2:10 pm
Colma Rising says:
Osama Bin-Laden won the privelege of having his brains paint the walls of a Pakistani apartment.
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11th September 2011 at 2:12 pm
Muck About says:
I agree with Smokey. I don’t think any of the bastards did any long range probability thinking about running planes into buildings beyond the point of doing it.
At the most, one of them probably brought up old Confucius and quoted him, “He who wakes up a tiger must do so using a very long stick.”
MA
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11th September 2011 at 2:22 pm
Stucky says:
Smokey –
The small flaw in your logic is that Bin Laden ALREADY bankrupted the Soviet Union. He had a track record. He didn’t need to be a great thinker to estimate that the same would happen with the USA.
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11th September 2011 at 2:22 pm
Dave says:
“Administrator says:
Smokey
In 2004 we had hardly begun the spending. JFC you are thick.”
Hey. Can we get a “thick headed fucker” here? Why are you holding back?
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11th September 2011 at 2:23 pm
John says:
ya, lots of soldiers getting blown up in japan. thick as a brick
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11th September 2011 at 2:25 pm
Administrator says:
More accurate my fat ass.
$3.3 trillion added to the National debt since 2001 is more than the total debt accumulated by the country in the first 200 years of our existence. LMFAO at your ridiculous statement.
By the way:
Texans 34
Colts 0
At halftime.
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11th September 2011 at 2:25 pm
Hope@ZeroKelvin says:
The stated goal of Al-Queda was to irrecovably damage the US economy. That is why the Twin Towers were selected as targets. The Tower are/were a symbol of US economic might. It wasn’t just that there were 100K people who lived and worked there. It wasn’t just about killing Americans, although that was an added bonus to them. That “only” 3000 died in such a massive attack when there were so many at risk undoubtedly disappointed Osama.
Bin-Laden was a serious student of America. He and his cronies were doubtless aware of America’s proclivity to draw exactly the wrong conclusions from such an event and had complete faith in the American government to pursue exactly the wrong policies.
He was correct. Our economy is in shambles, our people live in a virtual police state, the rest of the world is unraveling without American leadership.
And almost all of this post 9/11 was self inflicted, by both the Right and the Left.
Here, take a gander through google andsee what others are saying. Note: most continue to root for Obama.
http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/09/20119474217665992.html
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/margaret-wente/shareTweet/article2159949/
But out of the rubble, came Obama.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/09/obama_and_our_911_trauma.html
After the Obama caused rubble, what will emerge, I wonder?
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11th September 2011 at 2:27 pm
Administrator says:
Dave
I’m just getting warmed up.
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11th September 2011 at 2:28 pm
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Muck
Did Osama bankrupt the US?
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11th September 2011 at 2:30 pm
Colma Rising says:
Osama Bin-Laden won a Blitzkrieg on the sand dunes and a pipeline to China.
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11th September 2011 at 2:33 pm
Hope@ZeroKelvin says:
Here it is in some numbers:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/september-11-10-years-later
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11th September 2011 at 2:33 pm
Axel says:
Ah, the joke’s on Osama. I wouldn’t wish 70 wives on anyone, virgins or not.
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11th September 2011 at 2:35 pm
Hope@ZeroKelvin says:
@Admin: Never underestimate the capacity of the Texans to steal defeat from the jaws of victory. I once saw them lose by 20 points or something in overtime. Even a football ignoramous such as myself was impressed. Besides, I have $50 bucks riding on this game for them to win, so they will be sure to lose.
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11th September 2011 at 2:38 pm
Smokey says:
Administrator,
JFC.
I’m going to pretend I did not read that.
Fourteen trillion in debt and a hundred trillion more off the books, even a NYC crackhead knows better than try to make the case that military expenditures in this country exceed entitlement and bailout money. You sure you’re a CPA?
GFD, three trillion dollars compared to the mess we’re in is a cup of piss in the ocean.
You need to come up with something better than that.
BTW—If you’ll check my comment history, I have repeatedly said that the Colts eat shit without Peyton Manning. I have also said they would probably lose every game that he doesn’t start. I fucking BET AGAINST them today.
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11th September 2011 at 2:39 pm
eugend66 says:
Jim, US bankrupted the USofA !!
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11th September 2011 at 2:47 pm
Administrator says:
Smokey
JFC
Facts don’t mean much to neo-cons like you and Cheney.
The National Debt was $5.8 trillion on the day Obama pulled off his attack. Today it is $14.6 trillion and you want critical thinking people to believe this was due to entitlements? LMFAO!!!!!
Non-stop war, Bush sending out rebate checks and telling people to buy a GM SUVs to defeat terrorism, and creation of our police state surely had only a minor impact on this debt increase.
Only a fool would not realize that all of the ridiculous Federal Reserve interest rate decisions, deficit spending and bank bailouts were caused by the 9/11 attacks and the over reaction to those attacks by your beloved neo-cons.
Neo-cons don’t appear to have the cause and effect gene in their pea brains.
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11th September 2011 at 2:50 pm
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HZK
Numbers like those on that chart hurt Smokey’s head. He’s rather stick to his storyline. We are surely winning the War on Terrorism.
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11th September 2011 at 2:54 pm
Stucky says:
Admin posts quotes from OBL —- Smokey claims they are irrelevant
HZK post facts and figures —– Smokey and the Chirping Crickets
Smokey, I checked on factcheck.org and they said you were full of shit.
.
I normally don’t rule in the middle of a debate. However, due to the overwhelming evidence which you refuse to acknowledge, and the ass-kicking you are getting, and to hopefully keep you from further humiliation and injury, I, Stucky The Judge, hereby rule you, Smokey The Shlong Bearer, as Loser by Knockout in Rounds 1, 2, and 3. (Peace Be Upon You).
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11th September 2011 at 3:07 pm
Smokey says:
LOL
“interest rate decisions, deficit spending and bank bailouts were caused by the 9/11 attacks…”
That’s it!!! The 9/11 attacks caused the bank bailouts. Subprime mortgage blowup and Greenspan’s easy money had nothing to do with it.
This is like shooting fish in a barrel.
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11th September 2011 at 3:07 pm
Administrator says:
Smokey
Yep. You’ve proved you don’t have the cause & effect gene.
This is like shooting a shit eating monkey in a barrel.
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11th September 2011 at 3:10 pm
Administrator says:
Stuck
You are a wise sage.
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11th September 2011 at 3:12 pm
Colma Rising says:
Osama Bin-Laden won a long sleep with the fishes.
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11th September 2011 at 3:13 pm
Smokey says:
Hope,
You cite al-jazeera to make your point.
FUCKING AL-JAZEERA????
The goddamn biggest anti-American media organization in the entire fucking WORLD, and you may be the only person alive who does not know that.
You can get more reliable, impartial information off the shit house walls of any public restroom in Harlem.
I mean, GFD, Al-Jazeera has spent the last TEN FUCKING YEARS motherfucking America over the airwaves and broadcasting live the beheading of American soldiers. Al-Jazeera has openly enabled recruitment of terrorists in the Middle East for over a decade.
You haven’t a fucking clue when you attribute all this intellectual foresight to Osama, the same person who lives in caves and thinks God wants him to kill innocent people.
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11th September 2011 at 3:18 pm
Muck About says:
@Admin: I’ll vote with eugend66. We bankrupted ourselves. Since 1971 we have accrued more and more massive hubris and more and more awful politicians and more and more dependent stupid people (the last of which was predictable).
We are running into a Perfect Storm of resource exhaustion, political idiocy, monetary insanity and last but not least, a perfectly timed world wide credit collapse.
The shit is hitting the fan and there is absolutely nothing that can be done to prevent it from working its way through to the end. All Osama did was add another push to the American Empire, which was already way past center and falling on its’ face. When 9/11 happened we were already well into the housing bubble and the Feddies were rolling the presses and passing out the funny money. That bubble would have popped without 9/11 but Admin is right that we wouldn’t be nearly as far in debt as a country if 9/11 hadn’t happened.
The Feddies – with malice aforethought – made sure not to waste the crises and just had to fucking _DO_SOMETHING_ and here we are trillions of dollars in debt for two wars we didn’t have to fight, the TSA, 40% more Federal employees (the only jobs that Government can create), and we are, as a nation, going in the tank.
The lip of the tank is right over there and all it needs is a catalyst for us to be in it (i.e. a very small black swan).
So, an unintended consequence of 9/11 is the failure of the world’s biggest economy earlier than it otherwise would still have happened. But 9/11 didn’t do shit on its’ own – just hurried it up a bit.
MA
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11th September 2011 at 3:18 pm
eugend66 says:
Muck, I`m still here ..
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11th September 2011 at 3:19 pm
SSS says:
Stucky
Another rush to judgement. Stand by.
Admin
Where did that $3.3 trillion figure come from? According to that “Cost of War” clock you have posted on this site, it’s $1.248 trillion and counting. You also said above, “Only a fool would not realize that all of the ridiculous Federal Reserve interest rate decisions, deficit spending and bank bailouts were caused by the 9/11 attacks and the over reaction to those attacks by your beloved neo-cons.” Yikes. Color me a fool because I don’t get the connection.
Smokey
You said, “It is MORE ACCURATE to say that entitlement spending and bank bailouts are bankrupting the USA.” Stick with that because I agree. (Plus Cash for Clunkers, GM/Chysler bailout, foolish “Green” loan guarantees, and a host of other losers it would take a year to list.)
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11th September 2011 at 3:26 pm
Smokey says:
Administrator,
Sorry, Stuck does not get to judge this one. The privilege has been rescinded for a valid reason.
His view of the thread was obstructed by his lips around your cock.
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11th September 2011 at 3:26 pm
Stucky says:
“His view of the thread was obstructed by his lips around your cock.”
That’s pretty funny, actually.
I will let you back in the debate if Admin agrees.
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11th September 2011 at 3:28 pm
Colma Rising says:
Osama Bin-Laden won a deep whiff of SSS’ 40 year old cowboy boots…
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11th September 2011 at 3:31 pm
Smokey says:
Too late Stuck. The Administrator has been beaten ruthlessly, humiliated beyond recognition.
SSS is here. He couldn’t handle me alone–he is really in a world of shit now.
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11th September 2011 at 3:31 pm
Smokey says:
Come on back and take your medicine. Better recruit some help.
I can handle you alone, but with SSS it will be a rout.
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11th September 2011 at 3:33 pm
Muck About says:
@Smokie: Keep on kicking!
MA
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11th September 2011 at 3:37 pm
Colma Rising says:
Admin’s busy watching the Eagles help the 9ers take the West…
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11th September 2011 at 3:38 pm
eugend66 says:
-ping
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11th September 2011 at 3:45 pm
Muck About says:
Well, when you’re loosing, the best tactic is to beat feet and watch a football game!
MA
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11th September 2011 at 3:46 pm
Smokey says:
When you’re WHAT????????????????????
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11th September 2011 at 3:58 pm
doc_retro says:
The Romans drained swamps because they thought that swamp gas caused malaria. They got lucky, obviously, so one cannot apply cause-and-effect rerasoning to their accidental success. If bin Laden, fresh from having broken the USSR’s will in Afghansitan, had guessed that another, succesful attach on the WTC would lead to an American over-reaction, huge, irreperable economic damage, etc., he may just have been lucky.
That said, if he had any detailed knowledge of the 9/11 planning, he was a great fool. To be in on the details of something like that while living as a hinted terrorist on the other side of the world would be an unforgivable breach of operational security. Instead of viewing al-Queda as a hierarchy like General Motors, one ought to think of them as the Amway of terror: The leadership cell provides general guidance and inspiration but leaves local cells to develop their own plans in detail. (This would be similar to Communist ‘cell’ organization in the US during the Cold war, as J. Edgar Hoover described in in “Masters of Deceit.”)
Finally, while bin Laden may have devoutly wished for the WTC and Pentagon attacks to succeed, he likely had very little to do with them, but wanted the prestige of them to be his, and so he took credit for them. I would not be surprised if 19 of the 20 people who knew the details of the plot died in its’ execution. Only their current landlord, Satan, could answer that question for us in certainty. (Speaking of Old Scratch, I have to agree with what the Rev. put out this morning – Satan was the real winner on 9/11, as it unleashed a decade of suffering across much of the world, and it shows no sign of ending any time soon.)
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11th September 2011 at 4:00 pm
Colma Rising says:
Osama won my ordering an extra side of bacon with my breakfast just for the hell of it…
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11th September 2011 at 4:01 pm
doc_retro says:
Mea Culpa – That should’ve been ‘hunted’ in the second sentence of the second paragraph above.
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11th September 2011 at 4:02 pm
Hope@ZeroKelvin says:
@Smokey – I take it you do not like my posting those links. Ha ha, did it on purpose to show you guys what the Other side is saying. Like I cotton to those views. Good on yer, Smokey, you are the only one to actually go read them.
Al-J is absolutely a bunch of motherfucking America haters, too bad Hillary Clinton believes that they are credible journalism, but she is definitely in the hate America crowd and she is Sec of State.
My POINT was that OBL struck at the symbol of American economic might. He was hoping that this one event would cause us to crash. It did not, although it hurt the economy badly at the time. It DID however, set in motion a whole series of events which will help bankrupt us.
I do not believe he could envision that we would erect a multi-trillion dollar security apparatus nor enagage in two wars. He certainly could not forsee the subsequent actions of the Fed. And I never said that, ahem.
That insanity we did all by ourselves. We had more than enough laws, agencies, troops, whatever to deal with Islamic terror.
The “cost” of the wars over 10 years, so far, is about 1 year of deficits in the Obama “budgets”. While the wars haven’t helped our economic situation any, it is our out of control entitlement spending over the last 30 years, with the resultant interest on the debt, which will cause our collapse. The war spending just speeds it up a bit. Muck @ 3:18 post is absolutely spot on.
Here’s another link to make you foam at the mouth, it is The Nation’s 9/11 edition.
http://www.thenation.com/issue/september-19-2011. Read the entire thing, here’s the last paragraph of what the editors think.
“President Obama was elected in part because he appealed to our better post-9/11 selves—the selves personified by the first responders. He promised to respect civil liberties not only because it would keep us safe—“There are no shortcuts to protecting America,” he said—but because it is right. That is something else to grieve: as David Shipler observes in this issue, President Obama may have come too soon in the historical cycle to fulfill his own promise.”
Back to my original point of how the lefties/islamofascists/america haters all have one common theme – Obama is here to save us from ourselves.
THAT is the real danger from 9/11, IMHO.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
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11th September 2011 at 4:08 pm
Anonymous says:
So smooth, you just clicky some clicks and loooky:
eugend66.
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11th September 2011 at 4:15 pm
Smokey says:
Much better, Hope.
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11th September 2011 at 4:21 pm
Muck About says:
@Hope: Thanks..
@Smoky: I meant Admin lost, chicken out and went watching football – not you! I was agreeing with you since way back..
MA
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11th September 2011 at 4:27 pm
eugend66 says:
And if it`s a beauty:
http://thumbs1.picclick.com/pict/1706940705244040_/Mercury-Cougar-CONVERTIBLE-MATCHING.jpg
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11th September 2011 at 4:32 pm
Administrator says:
SSS
JFC. Weren’t you a CIA agent? The fucking link explains the $3.3 trillion. Do you need someone to click the link for you.
The 9/11 attacks led to Greenspan dropping interest rates to 1% and leaving them there for 3 years. Bush urged people to borrow and buy houses and cars. He launched two wars while at the same time sending out tax rebate checks.
The extremely low interest rates created the housing bubble led to the collapse of the worldwide financial system. The bank bailouts came about after the collapse.
How dull are you people?
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11th September 2011 at 4:32 pm
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11th September 2011 at 4:33 pm
Administrator says:
Mike Vick earned every dime of his $100 million today, not like that pussy cur Peyton “I’ve got a twinge in my neck” Manning.
Eagles obliterate St. Louis.
I understand the Colts are considering a move to the Arena Football League.
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11th September 2011 at 4:36 pm
Smokey says:
Muck,
“When you’re WHAT!!!!!” was the third time in a week I’ve spoken up when you have used loose when you meant lose.
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11th September 2011 at 4:36 pm
Smokey says:
Administrator is squirming like a butterfly on a pin now.
It was bad enough with me, then Muck, and now SSS.
Administrator is attempting to beat a hasty retreat without losing face, —correction, loosing face.
Administrator is undoubtedly desperately emailing his legions of sycophants to come online and salvage what is left of his reputation. Pleading frantically for someone, anyone, to bail him out.
This is like Ali vs Quarry, Ali vs Foreman, Hagler vs Hearns, the Colts vs Anybody in 2006.
If this was an NFL game, I’d have won by forfeit.
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11th September 2011 at 4:46 pm
Administrator says:
I’m embarrassed by the absolute cluelessness of my brain dead dimwitted opponents on this thread. If you morons are unable to grasp the simple fact that 9/11 and the reaction to it by your clueless leaders have put us in the current fiscal crisis, then what the fuck have you been doing on this site for the last two years?
We are doomed if you people aren’t capable of understanding cause and effect.
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11th September 2011 at 4:46 pm
SSS says:
Stucky said to Smokey, “The small flaw in your logic is that Bin Laden ALREADY bankrupted the Soviet Union. He had a track record. He didn’t need to be a great thinker to estimate that the same would happen with the USA.”
Contrary to that staement and what a couple of other comments have implied, bin Laden was a BIT PLAYER in the resistence to the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan. Just another small-change Jihadi wannabe from Saudi Arabia. The heart and soul of the resistence were Afghan citizens, some of whom were Islamic extremists (Taliban) and others who just wanted the Soviets out (Massoud, leader of the Northern Resistence Movement).
And the Soviet Union largely bankrupted itself through unsustainable defense spending and a sclerotic, state-controlled economy. I visited the Soviet Union at the apex of its global power in the summer of 1979, BEFORE it invaded Afghanistan that December. It was a 3rd World shithole.
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11th September 2011 at 4:47 pm
Smokey says:
Stucky discredited again.
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11th September 2011 at 4:48 pm
Administrator says:
Smokey declaring victory
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11th September 2011 at 4:50 pm
Smokey says:
“….then what the fuck have you been doing on this site for the past two years?”
Bashing curs like you.
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11th September 2011 at 4:51 pm
Administrator says:
Administrator applying his usual beating to Smokey
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11th September 2011 at 4:52 pm
Administrator says:
Smokey
Are you still cowering in your basement waiting for the terrorist attack you predicted for this weekend?
You’re predictions are on par with RE’s.
Cower you cur.
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11th September 2011 at 4:54 pm
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11th September 2011 at 4:54 pm
Smokey says:
Please check my prediction.
I do believe I include tomorrow.
Is it tomorrow yet ?
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11th September 2011 at 4:58 pm
Administrator says:
So you’ll be in the basement until Tuesday?
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11th September 2011 at 5:02 pm
Administrator says:
Smokey declaring victory like his hero
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11th September 2011 at 5:05 pm
SSS says:
Here’s the dweeb who put together that worthless New York Times link Admin posted at the beginning of the article. He states (and I’m not kidding you here), “I enjoy sewing.” He ought to start by sewing his fucking mouth shut.
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11th September 2011 at 5:05 pm
Administrator says:
Neo-Cons – Repeat after me.
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11th September 2011 at 5:06 pm
Colma Rising says:
Osama Bin-Laden won an extended stay in a rat hole with undoubtedly stinky, unkept wives.
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11th September 2011 at 5:07 pm
Administrator says:
SSS
Does his usual trashing of the messenger because the facts do not support his storyline. Please address the facts please.
Sound of crickets.
Hot debate. What do you think?
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11th September 2011 at 5:08 pm
eugend66 says:
No, no, this only the start of the first move is:
vs.
worse than my spelling will be:
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11th September 2011 at 5:15 pm
Stucky says:
OK. Fine. The USSR was already in the shitter pre-Osama. I’ll concede the error of my ways.
It’s time to declare a winner
for I need to go and eat dinner
Ms Freud a wild salmon did bake
I’ll leave Smokey to play with his snake.
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FIRST PRIZE goes to MUCK
—— “But 9/11 didn’t do shit on its’ own – just hurried it up a bit.”
—— Muck has Wisdom that comes with age.
RUNNER UP IS ADMIN
—— “Guess what? Even if he didn’t think he would bankrupt the US. HE FUCKING DID IT”
—— Jim cuts to the chase with the precision of a laser.
—— Jim gets bonus points for showing pics of Smokey getting kicked in the nuts. Precious!!
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Smokey looses … for the 854th time.
Jim, I might have declared you the winner but I don’t want to be accused of planting my lips around your cock ever again.
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11th September 2011 at 5:21 pm
Administrator says:
MORE INCONVENIENT TRUTH. MAKE SURE YOU DON’T READ THIS. MAYBE SSS CAN TRY AND DISCREDIT THE AUTHOR.
ALL YOU NEO-CONS – LET’S CHANT – USA, USA, USA
9/11 aftermath: Costs still permeate U.S. economy
Beyond lives lost and wars fought, disaster’s toll keeps on rising
WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — In American blood and treasure, the damage done by the Sept. 11 attacks clearly has been high.
But the disaster and the nation’s response to it have also been costly in countless other ways that are still pulsing through the economy.
These costs can be seen in long lines at airports. They can be found in the budgets of private companies and government agencies that have spent vast sums to beef up security. They’re also evident in struggling industries such as tourism, whose representatives blame tougher rules for a lack of foreign visitors.
And while the full sum may never be known, the cumulative results of 9/11 have probably created a drag on U.S. growth and job creation whose impact in economic terms could persist for years to come.
“The fact is, this is money that could have gone to creating more jobs,” said Bob Pollin, an economist at the University of Massachusetts who has studied the effects of defense spending on U.S. hiring.
The biggest cost in human terms is clearly the number of American lives lost in the 9/11 attacks and in the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. Some 3,000 people died on U.S. soil that day. And an additional 6,000 have perished so far in the wars that followed.
What’s more, thousands of U.S. soldiers face debilitating physical or psychological injuries that the government will have to pay for in the years to come.
A recent study by Brown University pegs the total costs of post-Sept. 11 actions by the U.S. at $3.2 trillion to $4 trillion — and counting.
Care of veterans, for example, could add up to an additional $1 trillion over the next 40 years, the study estimated. And interest payments on the national debt could take decades to pay off.
Much of that cost, most national-security experts believe, could have been avoided. An influential study by the global-research firm Rand, for example, shows that nearly every terrorist group in the past 50 years has largely been defeated without facing large-scale military action. See related story on whether the U.S. has won the war on terror.
“If you look at the most effective efforts against al Qaeda since 9/11, they have generally been because of covert, clandestine efforts where the tip of the spear was the FBI, CIA and special operations forces,” said consultant Seth Jones, co-author of the Rand study.
Up, up, up
Instead, the mostly military approach chosen by the U.S. led to soaring defense budgets.
After averaging less than $300 billion annually from 1993 to 2000, defense spending has shot up to nearly $700 billion in 2010. And defense spending as part of the federal budget has risen to 20% from 16% a decade ago.
The combination of higher defense spending and outlays for two wars might partly explain the modest rate of hiring during the presidency of George W. Bush.
Although the U.S. added 9.5 million jobs from 2001 to 2007, it was one of the weakest job-creation periods during an economic expansion since World War II.
Studies by Pollin and his associates at the Public Economy Research Institute suggest job creation could have been sharply higher had more money been steered into the private sector instead of the military.
While every $1 million spent by government on defense generates about eight jobs, a study found, the same sum of money creates 12 to 16 jobs in other parts of the economy such as education or health care.
The result: As many as 1.5 million fewer U.S. jobs were created last decade because of the surge in defense spending, the institute estimates.
What price, security?
A similar tradeoff has occurred in domestic security, which has increased dramatically at all levels.
Prof. John Mueller of Ohio State University, who co-wrote a new book on post-Sept. 11 security costs, calculates the total at more than $1 trillion over the past decade.
For its part, the federal government boosted security spending by $470 billion. Private-sector companies and local and state governments spent an additional $220 billion. Add in indirect costs, such as time people spend standing in security lines, and the price tag rises above $1 trillion.
Yet the bulk of the money, says Mueller, was spent irresponsibly because insufficient effort went into figuring out if the costs matched the potential benefits. More Americans die in bathtub drownings each year, he says, than from terrorist attacks.
“We probably are safer, but was it worth spending that much money?” Mueller asked. “Spending in other areas could have had a more beneficial effect on public safety.”
Where did all the money go? Private security firms received a big chunk and some government agencies exploded in size — just look at all the new screeners at airports.
A joint study by Washington University in St. Louis and George Washington University says the federal government added more than 100,000 security jobs since 2000 to put the total at more than 280,000.
Industries in trouble
Yet those job gains have been offset by losses in other industries, some of which have suffered grievously.
Take airlines. Traffic plunged after Sept. 11 and several carriers failed, spurring the government to offer relief. While business has improved, most airlines continue to struggle. The industry has suffered its four worst years in modern history since the 2001 attack.
Tougher security, meanwhile, has shackled U.S. tourism, traditionally one of the biggest generators of U.S. export growth and a major source of domestic jobs. The industry employs some 14 million people.
In the last 10 years, tourism has largely missed out on an explosion in global travel. While the number of global travelers taking long trips has leaped more than 40%, the U.S. has seen its share grow less than 2%, according to the U.S. Travel Association.
Tourism officials largely blame what they regard as a lost decade on excessive security procedures and a cumbersome process for foreigners trying to visit.
Their industry, they say, would have created almost 500,000 jobs if tourism to the U.S. had matched historical growth rates.
“It is difficult to get a visa post 9/11,” said Roger Dow, president of the travel association. “We’ve achieved a reputation around the world of having a difficult process to get through customs.”
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11th September 2011 at 5:24 pm
SSS says:
Admin pleads for facts after he said, “The extremely low interest rates created the housing bubble led to the collapse of the worldwide financial system.”
Bullshit. The housing bubble was created by a combination of factors and government policies that started long BEFORE 9/11. As for extremely low interest rates, between September 1992 and September 2009, the range on interest rates for a 30 yr mortgage was between 5.25% (September 2003) and 9.25% (March 1995). It was March 2010 when 30 yr mortgage rates headed south below 5%. The housing bubble burst LONG BEFORE THAT.
Now, Mr. Smarty Pants, fact check THAT!!!!
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11th September 2011 at 5:29 pm
Smokey says:
Administrator,
To say that 9/11 and the reaction to it led to the collapse of the worldwide financial system is an extremely narrow, incomplete view.
It is far more accurate to say that pervasive fraud, from both a borrowers and a lenders standpoint, led to the sub-prime crisis which has adversely affected world markets.
NEWSFLASH—JQ
Interest rates have been in a downtrend for THIRTY YEARS. But, according to you, 9/11 caused the decline over the past ten years and therefore doomed the world.
That is bullshit.
Fuck, you might as well say 9/11 CAUSED all the no doc and liar loans. In fact, why not just say that 9/11 CAUSED the entire goddamn unregulated derivatives market?
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11th September 2011 at 5:33 pm
Muck About says:
Stucky’s @5:21 is absolutely right in the evaluation of who has the most brains on this thread of doom.
I’d give Admin 4th place, not second, but you can never be sure about Jemmeh as he loves to drop in comments just to stir up the shit.
MA
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11th September 2011 at 5:43 pm
Administrator says:
Smokey
Does your ignorance know no bounds?
The Federal Reserve controls short term rates through thr discount rate. Please try to understand the following chart.
The housing boom, with its no doc loans and derivatives, would have never occurred if Greenspan had not lowered the discount rate to 1% as a response to 9/11.
There are unintended consequences to every action. 9/11 and the reaction to it by politicians and bankers led to unintended consequences that continue to this day. To deny it is just a bad use of your brain power.
Do you people actually believe this country accumulated a $5.8 trillion national debt in 212 years and it is just a coincidence that we’ve added $8.8 trillion since 9/11?
REALLY? COINCIDENCE?
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11th September 2011 at 5:45 pm
Muck About says:
And I’d have to give Smoky 2nd spot… I’ll never lose track of that word again..
MA
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11th September 2011 at 5:45 pm
Smokey says:
Administrator,
I nearly posted the SAME fucking chart.
Look at the thirty year trend. It is DOWN.
It makes my case.
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11th September 2011 at 5:55 pm
Smokey says:
Administrator,
You keep digging yourself deeper. You’d be better off to concede that you are woefully over matched today, and find solace in the fact that Phillie’s convicted felon once again carried them to a victory.
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11th September 2011 at 6:00 pm
Administrator says:
Smokey
I guess you can see what you want to see. The only period that matters is 2001 until 2005. Cause and effect seems to be a very difficult concept for people who don’t want to think.
Lowering rates to 1% and leaving them there for two years after the recession was over created a housing bubble that pushed home prices two standard deviations higher than they should have been. This collapsed as all bubbles do. The resulting actions to this collapse added billions to the national debt. This was a direct result of actions taken by Greenspan in response to 9/11.
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11th September 2011 at 6:03 pm
Administrator says:
Smokey
I understand Peyton really misses being with the guys in the locker room
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11th September 2011 at 6:09 pm
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11th September 2011 at 6:13 pm
SSS says:
Admin
Did you actually read some of the bullshit thrown out in that link you posted to the New York Times article which came out with that preposterous $3.3 trillion figure as a cost of 9/11? Here’s a couple of examples which went into that article’s math.
—-$100 billion in “costs” due to an average 20-minute additional wait time at the airports for airline passengers, calculated at an average salary of $37/hour. This $100 billion figure was just for Oct 2001 through Dec 2004 and concedes that wait times have decreased since then (well, damn, people are still waiting, just not as long, so why not run the figure all the way to the present).
Talk about pulling shit out of your ass, this one takes the cake. How in hell did they come up with an average salary for airline passengers of $37 per hour? That means the average passenger in the 2001-2004 timeframe made nearly $78,000 a year. And what about kids, retirees, and the unemployed who don’t work? Did they get any monetary credit for waiting?
—-$19 billion from deaths of 2,400 people in car accidents in the Oct 2001-Sep 2003 timeframe because people drove more and flew less because of 9/11. How on God’s green earth does ANYONE know that 2,400 people died in car accidents because of 9/11. Did they interview dead people and ask them why they were driving? Did people automatically decide in Oct 2003 that it was now safe to fly, so they gave up driving to their intended destination? Give me a fucking break.
If you want to bite on this absolutely worthless piece of shit analysis, that’s your call. I’ll pass.
Hot debate. What do you think?
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11th September 2011 at 6:23 pm
Smokey says:
Administrator,
What I am saying is that 9/11 is a convenient scapegoat.
Yes it probably is responsible for moving the time table of our destiny up by 6-10 years. But it did not change our ultimate destiny.
This country has a rendezvous with economic collapse ANYWAY.
The country is still run by corrupt assholes, 9/11 or not. Derivatives would have been developed and abused, 9/11 or not. Social Security, Medicare, none of that shit would have been paid regardless of 9/11.
Spending was going to continue out of control, with or without 9/11. Politicians were going to take bribes, steal and fuck over the country with or without 9/11.
Go through the fucking math, spending was NOT going to be cut.
Look at the recent budget ceiling deal. Are you telling me that those irresponsible thieving deluded assholes would have made the system solvent if it wasn’t for 9/11?
To say “If only it weren’t for 9/11 look where we’d be.” I’ll tell you where we’d be. We’d be fucked up the ass anyway, that’s where.
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11th September 2011 at 6:23 pm
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SSS
Of course you will pass. It doesn’t support your storyline. Statistics are confusing to people who choose to be confused.
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11th September 2011 at 6:37 pm
Stucky says:
JIM!!!
Smokey seems to be conceding some points. He’s taking a softer stance. Even being reasonable. Now is the time to motherfuck him!! Pounce on his ass. Kick him in the ballz! Don’t you dare fucking say something nice back. Don’t you concede shit. Fuck him up. Fuck him up bad. Do it Jim.
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11th September 2011 at 6:37 pm
Administrator says:
Wrong again Smokey. Revenues equaled spending in 2000. Those are the facts.
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11th September 2011 at 6:38 pm
Stucky says:
On the other hand, while eating dinner we were watching one of the many specials they are running today on 9-11 human interest stories. Dammit it’s still hard to watch folks talk about the people they lost without tears welling up. That’s why I’m back downstairs. Jim, fuck him up!!
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11th September 2011 at 6:41 pm
Administrator says:
Smokey
Here is a link to the January 2001 CBO 10 year budget projection. It was surpluses for as far as the eye could see. Your storyline is false.
http://www.cbo.gov/doc.cfm?index=2727&type=0&sequence=1
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11th September 2011 at 6:45 pm
Administrator says:
Both economic conditions and policy decisions significantly worsened the debt outlook since 2001, when large surpluses were forecast for the following decade by the CBO. The Pew Center reported in April 2011 the cause of a $12.7 trillion shift in the debt situation, from a 2001 CBO forecast of $2.3 trillion cumulative surplus by 2011 versus the estimated $10.4 trillion public debt in 2011. The major drivers were:
Revenue declines due to two recessions, separate from the Bush tax cuts of 2001 and 2003: 28%
Defense spending increases: 15%
Bush tax cuts of 2001 and 2003: 13%
Increases in net interest: 11%
Other non-defense spending: 10%
Other tax cuts: 8%
Obama Stimulus: 6%
Medicare Part D: 2%
Other reasons: 7%
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11th September 2011 at 6:50 pm
Stucky says:
Jim fucks up Smokey with stats, numbers, and facts!
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Smokey, try looking at your problem a different way.
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11th September 2011 at 7:05 pm
Smokey says:
Administrator,
Hey, if you want to believe it was surpluses as far as the eye could see, be my guest. That shit would have been revised downward the first recession, and last I checked, recessions roll in every few years.
I will concede that because of NEWT GINGRICH’S republican congress, things had briefly turned up economically. But you conveniently forget, Newt was out of Congress in 2001 and a downward slide was inevitable.
Of course, now that you are getting your ass torched unmercifully in front of one and all, we don’t hear a fucking peep from you about the off the books liabilities that you normally drone on about ad nauseum. You are quiet as a cigar store Indian. A mouse in church. A small town church cemetery on a rainy Sunday afternoon. The sound of crickets.
But if you weren’t on the ropes, you’d be screaming “All this debt! We’ll never pay social security! It’s bankrupt. Medicare can never be paid!”
So instead, since you are cornered, you proudly proclaim “surpluses as far as the eye could see.”
But you forget, you are debating a heavyweight here, not a pussy bantam weight like Stuck, or platoplubius or Welshman or Persnickety.
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11th September 2011 at 7:08 pm
SSS says:
Admin
That 2001 Congressional Budget Office projection begins with, “In the absence of significant legislative changes.”
Yes, 9/11 contributed to wiping out your “surpluses for as far as the eye could see,” but did any of the these “significant legislative changes” also contribute?
—-No Child Left Behind
—-Bush tax cuts
—-Medicare Part D
—-Federal budget increases for EVERY program and department EVERY year
—-TARP
—-$840 billion in stimulus
—-Obamacare
ad naseum
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11th September 2011 at 7:09 pm
Smokey says:
What do Peyton and Eli Manning have in common?
(1) They have a father who was an NFL star
(2)They were both college football stars
(3) They both play in the NFL
(4) They both won what?
Damn, I can’t remember. Something about post-season play. It escapes me now. Maybe I can find it if I google SUPER BOWL WINNERS.
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11th September 2011 at 7:14 pm
Administrator says:
Trying to learn Smokey and SSS basic economics is like trying to teach a shit eating monkey not to eat their shit. Hopeless.
They will continue to flail about slinging shit in every direction but unable to resist eating it.
The cause and effect gene is clearly missing from their microscopic brains.
They compensate for this missing gene by having an oversized declaration of victory gene which leads to them blurting out declarations of victory while the Administrator kicks them in the balls with facts for the 25th time on this thread.
It has actually been quite a pitiful display by these two old timers. I suggest a nap.
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11th September 2011 at 7:18 pm
Stucky says:
Smokey sneaks in a sucker punch with that “off the books liabilities” bullshit.
Fuck him up Jim! Go all Putin on him!!
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11th September 2011 at 7:19 pm
Administrator says:
I’m watching Eli Manning in the most pitiful display of Quarterback since Peyton Manning threw four interceptions against the Eagles last year. It looks like the NY Midgets might be joining the Colts in moving to the Arena Football League.
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11th September 2011 at 7:20 pm
Muck About says:
OK, so we all agree with what I said 5 hours ago.. The Federal reaction to 9/11 hastened our economic downfall. Why don’t we stop this shit and just let it lie (or as Smoky would say “lye”).
But we still did it to ourselves.
If anyone had done any thinking, we’d have spent several hundred million, used the CIA (SSS note) and assassinated Osama way back when we were started bombing cave systems in the Afgan mountains. We could have then declared victory (long before Bushes banner) and got on with the budding housing bubble and building up the FSA to an even larger size.
We still would have croaked but it might have been about 2015 instead of as we speak.
MA
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11th September 2011 at 7:21 pm
Muck About says:
Sorry, Smoke.. Make that “Bushs’ banner”. I loosed it..
MA
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11th September 2011 at 7:22 pm
Administrator says:
“The most fundamental purpose of government is defense, not empire…War is just one more big government program.”
Joseph Sobran
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11th September 2011 at 7:54 pm
Dave Doe says:
We have such a huge federal bureacracy now, it seems like it’s self perpetuating.
They keep finding reasons to perpetuate the gargantuan national security apparatus.
Yet, when they catch somebody, it’s a few private citizen collaring the fucker and taking him down
(like the nigerian kid on the airplane two years ago).
It just seems impossible for the feds to cut anybody or anything which means the bloat is going to continue until the whole thing collapses.
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11th September 2011 at 8:46 pm
LLPOH says:
Smokey has delivered an monumental bitch slap to the Admin. Admin needs to stop practicing with the amateurs and move up to the pros, or at least to the college kids, because it is truly embarrassing to watch Smokey (and SSS) kick crap out of him.
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11th September 2011 at 9:12 pm
Administrator says:
llpoh enters the fray after Administrator has mopped the floor with the entrails of the curs.
As usual, Administrator issues a huge yawn at llpoh’s false bravado and late arrival.
Be on your way son.
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11th September 2011 at 9:23 pm
LLPOH says:
False bravado? Bah. Late arrival, yes, I will give you that.
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11th September 2011 at 9:27 pm
Administrator says:
Administrator dealing with llpoh
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11th September 2011 at 9:33 pm
LLPOH says:
Admin – I would have been here sooner but I was typing away at an article for you (in your in tray as we speak) in hopes of enlightening a few naysayers around these parts. So, I get a free pass for coming in late.
You are just lucky I wasn’t around earlier or this would have been likely result for you when the big dogs went into feeding frenzy:
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11th September 2011 at 9:34 pm
AWD says:
This is a classic thread. I’ve been waiting for it since Smokey’s return, and it delivered. Thanks for the fireworks. You all deserve a hearty round of applause.
My worthless two cents:
Bin Laden said in an interview before the attacks “America will be a shadow of it’s former self” It would seem he succeeded, but he cannot take credit. Politicians spent the money.
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11th September 2011 at 9:35 pm
LLPOH says:
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11th September 2011 at 9:35 pm
Administrator says:
llpoh
Nice picture of Smokey. That’s the best he’s looked in a long time.
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11th September 2011 at 9:38 pm
Smokey says:
As always, LLPOH delivers an objective, unbiased assessment of the blog action.
LLPOH is a giant on this site, a man of unimpeachable integrity, and extraordinary intelligence.
Hot debate. What do you think?
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11th September 2011 at 9:40 pm
Administrator says:
For the slow witted on the site. The original post stated:
“He’s dead, but we’ve bankrupted ourselves. He would have died eventually. We didn’t have to bankrupt ourselves. But we did.”
Only a fool would argue that this statement is not true.
Fools, please respond.
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11th September 2011 at 9:42 pm
LLPOH says:
Damn, Admin. let us exame that statement line by line. First line – the implication is that there is a relationship between OBL and US bankruptcy. Yes there is, but it is not a 100% correlation. Any fool knows that. Line 2 – duh. Line three – yes indeedy. Line 4 again gives the implication that the bankruptcy is 100% related to OBL and his actions. No indeed. It certainly contributed to it, tho.
By the way, what did OBL have to do with Iraq – seems to me the biggie was WMD.
Your statement is full of implication. Each sentence when looked at individually stands up, but together they make the implicatio that OBL is responsible for the US going bankrupt all by his little lonesome. No fucking way.
It is the Admin playing at being a politician – saying one thing, meaning another, and then twisting it around again.
Hot debate. What do you think?
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11th September 2011 at 9:51 pm
Smokey says:
LLPOH,
He is squirming now. Panic stricken. Trying to find a way out. He’s sees the writing on the wall. Desperation is setting in.
His biggest fear, because he’s been there before—–Smokey AND LLPOH.
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11th September 2011 at 9:56 pm
Opinionated Bloviator says:
You better believe it, when America disintegrates into a third world police state racked by poverty, counterinsergencies and corruption that would be right at home in Argentina or Zimbabwe, the wail of despair eminating from your ruin of a country will be music to those who despise you everywhere.
Whats even better is the list of those countries actively working against your interests will include most of europe, great britain, all of asia, middle east, africa and even the paciffic rim countries. After all the shafting the governments and citizens recieved at the hands of Wall Street will be remembered and acted upon when the time is right…
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11th September 2011 at 9:58 pm
Administrator says:
LLPOH
You may have asked the dumbest fucking question in the history of TBP. That is quite a feat. But you pulled it off.
“What did OBL have to do with Iraq?”
Are you really as clueless as you seem? Were you huffing glue today?
Have you ever heard of the Bush Doctrine, which was rolled out BECAUSE of 9/11?
Would there be a Bush Doctrine if 9/11 had not happened?
The Bush Doctrine was used as the basis for invading a country that did not threaten the US.
JFC. It’s like trying to teach physics to a bunch of mental midgets.
With friends like you, Smokey doesn’t need enemies.
How embarassing for you. I sure hope no one in your family reads your response. Truly a pathetic display.
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11th September 2011 at 10:06 pm
Smokey says:
LLPOH,
By Administrator’s warped logic, if Bush had decided to invade Greenland, then that means 9/11 CAUSED it.
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11th September 2011 at 10:16 pm
Smokey says:
Shit, for that matter, according to the curs, Bush and the neocons were going to invade Iraq whether there had been a 9/11 attack or not.
So the neocons could impose on the world their radical beliefs.
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11th September 2011 at 10:20 pm
Administrator says:
Smokey now flailing about with invasions of Greenland as his comeback. That is about as weak and pitiful response as SSS denying CIA involvement with OBL. The rats are jumping ship.
Are you actually arguing that Bush would have invaded Iraq even if 9/11 had not occurred? Really? Seriously?
This was such an epic beatdown that I’d be surprised if you, SSS, and llpoh ever posted a comment again on this site.
Hot debate. What do you think?
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11th September 2011 at 10:23 pm
Muck About says:
Admin: It’s getting late.. You are losing and can’t seem to admit it. Oh well, the owner of the TBP can fight until all of us have given up and gone to bed..
Sweet dreams Admin.. You’re not full of shit, just coated with it..
MA
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11th September 2011 at 10:30 pm
LLPOH says:
Admin – who gives a shit about the Bush doctrine – you were talking about OBL. Stay on topic. My memory is that OBL was only in passing the reason for going into Iraq – the main reason fed to the sheeple was that we were going to be blown to hell by all of Saddam’s WMD. Smokey nailed it with the Greenland comment.
Admin, time to come up with some decent arguments, because you are getting asswhupped.
Hot debate. What do you think?
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11th September 2011 at 10:30 pm
Dave Doe says:
I’ve been keeping score – here’s what I have so far …
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11th September 2011 at 10:32 pm
Smokey says:
“Are you really arguing that Bush would have invaded Iraq even if 9/11 had not occurred ?”
No, I’m not.
But that is EXACTLY what you have been claiming for years that Bush, Cheney, and the neocons were hell bent on doing. Imposing out ideology on the rest of the world.
Deny it, please—so that I might further administer the trouncing you are such a glutton for.
This is a first on this site—–Me, Muck, SSS and LLPOH all ganging up on the cur.
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11th September 2011 at 10:40 pm
LLPOH says:
Admin realizing that the big dogs are out in force:
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11th September 2011 at 10:45 pm
SSS says:
Admin
Your performance on this thread has brought new meaning to the word pathetic. I can hear your fellow travellers on the blogosphere saying to themselves, “What in the world happened to Jim? He was such a good guy.”
Consider yourself fortunate that not once did Smokey begin a response to you with his famous lead-in line of total destruction, “Tell you what.” And have a good night’s sleep, knowing that I’m 3 hours behind EDST and well-rested from 6 naps.
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11th September 2011 at 10:46 pm
LLPOH says:
Admin is cornered:
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11th September 2011 at 10:47 pm
Muck About says:
We’ll see where this leads in the AM.. What did that far kid eat? One of the cats? If so, I rooting for the fat kid..
And Smoky is correct.. I can’t remember when Admin was defeated by such a motley group as has happened tonight! Good for us and right now I bet Avalon is dressing his wounds in the nicest possible way!
MA
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11th September 2011 at 10:52 pm
Novista says:
MA
Sometimes a tiger is just a pussy with delusions of grandeur.
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11th September 2011 at 11:31 pm
LLPOH says:
Admin –
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11th September 2011 at 12:17 am
Administrator says:
It’s good the fuckwads and their declaration of victory gene kicked in after I went to sleep.
Here’s a homework assignment for the slow witted and the dullards who attempted to confront me on this thread.
Watch It’s A Wonderful Life five times until the lesson sinks in. I know it is difficult for fuckwads to think. It hurts their pea sized brains.
I’ll even give you a hint: Potterville versus Bedford Falls.
Try really really hard and you numbskulls might get it.
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11th September 2011 at 8:38 am
Administrator says:
Smokey, SSS, Muck, llpoh, and two others I decided to slaughter just for fun.
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11th September 2011 at 8:45 am
Muck About says:
Oh dear me…. I opened this thread this morning expecting to find Admin lying prostrated across the torn end of it and instead, he’s been reborn as “Never Give Up Man” tossing the first clods of shit into the air!
I’ll give it Admin just to be quiet and let it die, since the really smart people here have already tagged, bagged and cooked it.
MA
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11th September 2011 at 8:54 am
Administrator says:
Muck
Who helped you post that comment? Based on your responses on this thread, it amazes me that you can even turn your computer on.
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11th September 2011 at 9:25 am
Administrator says:
It’s 12:30 on Monday afternoon. I’m still awaiting Smokey’s terrorist attack.
He hasn’t posted today. I sure hope he wasn’t killed in a massive terrorist bombing in South Carolina.
Thank God the 50,000 DHS drones are protecting me and the country from imminent attack.
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11th September 2011 at 12:33 pm
SSS says:
Admin
Damn, that was funny (“I’m still awaiting Smokey’s terrorist attack. He hasn’t posted today. I sure hope he wasn’t killed in a massive terrorist bombing in South Carolina.”).
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11th September 2011 at 1:01 pm
Muck About says:
LMAO.. That’d be like sending Smoky to hell before blowing him up!
This has been a great fun thread.. What do you say the next time Admin screws up a position we tag team him again!
MA
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11th September 2011 at 1:21 pm
SSS says:
Muck
Count me in. I knew I had to jump in on this thread as soon as Admin declared in a comment early on and said, “I’m just getting warmed up.”
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11th September 2011 at 4:20 pm
Administrator says:
SSS trying to find a clue regarding this thread.
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11th September 2011 at 4:23 pm
llpoh says:
It is obvious that the Admin cannot take his monumental ass-whipping like a man and so is gaming the thumb buttons in his favor. Kinda like Hitler running around his bunker on April 29, 1945 yelling “I am winning, I am winning!”.
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11th September 2011 at 6:58 pm