I watched this segment last night on 60 Minutes. The NYC police department has 50,000 people working for it. They can shoot down a plane. They purposely intimidate the population through displays of force that have nothing to do with any threat. The entire city is under camera surveillance. Where did they get the money to implement this kind of Big Brother city?
I believe that 60 Minutes meant this to be a positive story about the NYC police department. I had a very uneasy feeling after watching this story. The technology implemented reminds me of Orwell’s 1984. Will it be used to foil terrorists or will it be used against the citizens who disagree with the authorities?
What do you think?
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7382308n&tag=contentBody;storyMediaBox
Felony Eavesdropping, Illinois style
September 27, 2011 (CHICAGO) (WLS) — This is the story of Louis Frobe, but it’s also about others who have run afoul of the Illinois eavesdropping law, one of the most restrictive of its kind in the country. It requires that all parties to a conversation give their consent before you can record legally record it.
Say you take out your smart phone and you start taking pictures of police officers making an arrest. The pictures and video are allowed by law, but you must have permission before you record the audio, even if the officer is on the public way.
“I’m just an ordinary citizen. I was on my way to the movies, and all of a sudden I’m facing a felony and 15 years in prison,” Frobe told ABC7.
Frobe calls it the worst experience of his life. He was on his way to a late evening movie on an August night last year when he was stopped for speeding in far north suburban Lindenhurst. He didn’t believe he was in a 35-mile-an-hour zone, and he figured if he was going to get ticket he wanted to be able to document his challenge with video evidence, so he got out his flip camera, which he was not very adept at using.
At one point he held it out the window trying to record where he was. When the officer, being recorded on his squad dash cam, walked back to Frobe’s car, the officer saw Frobe’s camera.
Officer: “That recording? Frobe : “Yes, Yes, I’ve been… Officer: “Was it recording all of our conversation? Frobe: “Yes. Officer: “Guess what? You were eavesdropping on our conversation. I did not give you permission to do so. Step out of the vehicle.”
Louis Frobe was then cuffed and arrested for felony eavesdropping.
“I was terrified. I was absolutely terrified. I was begging him, I said I didn’t know about this law. Would you please take the camera – this is no big deal – and smash it. You know I didn’t know about the law,” Frobe told ABC7.
Frobe spent a night in the Lake County jail and was released on bond the next day. Later the charges against him were dropped, but so angry was Louis Frobe that he decided to file a federal lawsuit challenging the constitutionality of the state’s eavesdropping law.
“And they had audio and they had video on me, but I’m not allowed to do it to them. I’m in a private car on a public street and it’s a public official. Why shouldn’t I be able to record what’s going on to prove my innocence?” he said.
The Attorney General’s office argues that the case should be dismissed and that there’s no constitutional standing.
But in a similar case, a Circuit Court judge in downstate Crawford County earlier this month declared the state’s eavesdropping act unconstitutional. Last month, the First Circuit Federal Court of Appeals found in favor of Boston man who used his cell phone to record several police officers making an arrest on Boston common. They are part of a growing number of cases that test the intent of a law and its intersection with technology – the omnipresent smart phone.
And in Louis Frobe’s case?
“It’s a public conversation about a public function. A traffic stop,” attorney Torri Hamilton said.
Hamilton says the law should turn for public officials on the public way where there is a reasonable expectation of privacy in the conversation.
“He has no reasonable expectation that his conversation with Louis is private, and so therefore it shouldn’t be criminal to record it,” said Hamilton.
Police and prosecutors argue that audio recording of officers – even when they are on the public way – could hamper investigations and jeopardize witnesses, especially in a day when what’s recorded can be instantaneously uploaded to YouTube or other platforms.
The Lindenhurst police chief says his officer who stopped Louis Frobe was simply following the law. The chief also points out that if the same thing had happened 13 miles to the north in Wisconsin, there wouldn’t have been an arrest because the eavesdropping law there is much less restrictive.
Frobe’s case is in federal district court in Illinois.
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TIME TO KILL SOFTWARE SCUM!
i CANNOT BELIEVE IT. I had a PC hooked up today. One that had worked perfectly a fortnight before and, after ADOBE, Microsoft and the other ‘Updaters” had their time with it, it no longer works at all.
Imagine if TV had developed this way! Say channel 5, 7 or 9.Whatever you had in your hometown and some “Indian” guru appeared on the screen saying you would have to turn your TV off so that he, an shithead you don’t know from Adam, can ‘adjust’ it so as to enable you to see tonight’s episode of Gunsmoke. Only instead of watching Gunsmoke you only get ‘pop ups’ warning you your subscription to some security service has expired.
Isn’t it way past time to take these $9.95/month bandits outside, chop their programming fingers off, blow the back of their CEO’s heads off and tell them they cannot sell ‘software’ that has no value a year later?
Mac!
Actual picture of Smokey after his unequivical victory on this thread.
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Talking about Big Brother (The Chicoms are the ultimate big brother).
Hugh Hendry is Killing it Shorting China
http://www.businessinsider.com/hugh-hendry-short-china-up-39-2011
Admin, go easy on Smokey until we get those juicy college picks we can bet against.
“Fear, after all, is our real enemy. Fear is taking over our world. Fear is being used as a tool of manipulation in our society. Itʼs how politicians peddle policy and how Madison Avenue sells us things that we donʼt need. Think about it. Fear that weʼre going to be attacked, fear that there are communists lurking around every corner, fear that some little Caribbean country that doesnʼt believe in our way of life poses a threat to us…Fear of growing old and being alone.”
Christopher Isherwood
Wow, I missed a lot! And don’t have time to read them all.
Smokey,
First let me apologize for taking almost 24 hours to respond, my day went nuts, my six year old came home raging and then both hub & her started feeling like shit. I can almost never be here between 5ish until 11 so I planned to log in after 11, but fell asleep on the couch, oops. And I should already be at work now, but you responded and I don’t want you to think I’m avoiding you (which is working on a newish personal fault of mine, avoidance) so please forgive any ‘death by spell check’ or incomplete thoughts.
Anyway. I do respect the heck out of your opinion, but you really aren’t pitching anything I didn’t use to believe, or hear before when it concerns our “duty” to the rest of the world. As you said, “…Reasonable people can and probably always will disagree about this stuff. ..” Coming from a family of screamers, finger-pointers and name-callers, I strive to be reasonable and I strive above all else, to not degenerate into screaming “you are such an asshole!” when the situation allows. The first to scream usually loses.
Again, since many of your points were once near and dear to me – I have career servicemen on both sides of my family – I won’t attempt to justify every reason why I realized the errors of my past beliefs.
Couple points struck me though, the one screaming to me is about the laws. I never said we needed to jump headlong into anarchy and MadMax, some laws are necessary to keep the honest man honest. But we left “some,” a long freaking time ago. I read a book (think it was called 3 Felonies a Day, but not sure) and it was eye-opening. There are so many laws, rules, regulations and the like that everyone of us – including YOU – has broken a couple this week. We just haven’t been “caught” yet.
George Carlin once said something along the lines of ‘the Ten Commandments could be boiled down to two rules. Leave other people and their shit alone.’ Every jurisdiction in America would be wise to do just that. None will, too many jobs, politicians, cronies and the like would lose. Instead we have stood back and watched our country become a fucking police state, with a well-trained, well-funded, army of cops ready to bust us for everything from drinking unpasteurized milk, or lemonade stands.
Give me a fucking break Smokey, there are sensible laws made to help keep society’s wheels greased and then there are crushing, everybody is a potential revenue enhancement all we have to do is write the law. That is crazy and to expect the lunatics in government to run the asylum trying to control the nuts, you’d have to agree it is a little doomed.
Second point, you are 100% correct it was incredibly arrogant of me to talk for our founders. All I can do is base my interpretation of the words I have read on the current history of THAT time. Same exact strategy I used while trying to interpret the bible. You state, “…You would probably agree that they did not contemplate the world getting “smaller” because, two hundred years after their death, tens of thousands of people every single day would fly through the air…”
I counter that they may have not known the scope, but they sure as hell knew the feeling. Cross-Atlantic travel, not to mention trade with the East, was continuing to grow by leaps and bounds during their lifetimes or recent histories. The world was getting smaller with every new “world” discovery and conquest even back then. Then to think they had no clue as to the coming effects of new technology doesn’t seem plausible. But, that is just my opinion, we can agree to disagree – though I really doubt Ben F. would.
Your point about global dalliances comes across the same way. During their times Europe was all the fuck over the world taking over natives and resources. They knew EXACTLY what they were talking about.
I’m not even going to bother trying to argue points about our worldwide occupations and “office” buildings. All I know is that if Germany enjoys our security asssistance, (from whom? our “friend” Russia?) they should help fucking paying us for it.
Why is it we can offshore socks and pay Chinese companies to make them, but when we send our boys over with the potential specter of death hanging over their heads, we do not ask the country to support the benefit of our security forces?
We have our troops all over the earth to guarantee our corporations cheap(er) natural resources, thus enabling Americans to buy things we don’t need for less fiat. I find that the most disturbing.
I know you get all upset, but you shouldn’t. Until the shit hits the fan and the troops are called home to police our asses, nothing will change. Fear will keep the clueless believing and if that doesn’t work, shiny foreign info machines are busy draining the collective focus. Won’t even mention that they have PROVEN that a human loses a couple IQ points for every 10 pounds above optimal health weights. Also proven that chemical exposure from our vaccinations, home fragrances and Frosted Mini-Wheats (I’m hungry) damage our brains. Allowing this materialistic, corporate, “consumer” economy to focus on lots and lots and lots of natural resource eating is insanity. From the troops, to the retailers, to the doctors and counselors, we are paying and paying for the insanity to continue.
If we were to drastically curb our worldwide military presence, allowing the natural resources to reach their TRUE level of costs/price (not artificially suppressed prices due to military might, which is just exploiting the other country under guise of “helping” them), it would solve a whole lot of our problems all at once. Instead of a disposable society importing socks from China, we could go back to being a quality-focused economy. I can dream.
And, I agree, we disagree.
So it goes
Have a great day.
Teresa, you make a lot of sense. A lot!!
You know I don’t actually believe most of what I post here. I just like to stir shit.
I actually don’t know jack-shit what the Founding Fathers intended because I’ve never even read one paragraph of things like The Federalist Papers. I just like blowing smoke up people’s asses. So, I will take your word for it.
It all comes down to OIL. All our wars in the middle east are for oil. We need oil to survive. I’m OK with closing all bases around the world except in the middle east. If we have to kill a few towelheads to get our oil, so be it. I am sure you agree with that.
That cur Stucky says he’s in love with you. So am I. I just want to know, who would you pick if you absolutely had to?
TeresaE,
Thanks for responding. Sorry you missed most of the fun yesterday.
Perhaps you and I will do battle again.
Until then.
Of all these kvetching commentors [not without juistification] not one seems to see some keys:
1) The purpose of government USED to be to help citizens. Now,, government’s purpose is to:
“Screw the taxpayer and hire as many workers as possible to help in the screwing.
2) No one seems willing to cite the US Supreme Court for its recent and egregious failures:
They let a black man, of uncertain guilt, be killed without telling the public why!
They made the $$ corporations defined as ‘people’ with ‘people’ rights—so their $$$ power
can move elections any way they want—-unthinking Americans, unmoved [oxymoron]
4) The Court does all its deliberations in secret—no accounting to the public—-self-righteous,
unassailable. And Congress, mired in their own confusions, back-stabbing and election $$
lobbying payoff—don’t have the heart to intervene.
So the cliff looms and NYC is just a forewarning.
JLH
Why 50,000 boots on the ground? Why such high tech? Where did the money come from?There is only one good guess. HOME LAND SECURITY CAME IN TOOK OVER AND IS MASQUERADING AS NY POLICE OFFICERS.
The masses are waking up. Many of the educated population have observed the past ten years the implementation of a police state grid through the Patriot Act via Homeland Security.
The next ten years will be the MOST IMPORTANT in history! We will either come out of this a free society, free from tyranny, OR we will be subjugated slaves, with no rights, no voice in government, no sovereignty, implanted microchips, forced inoculations, bio and food terrorism (by government), with the sheeple looking to government to provide the answers, solutions, and protection (Government IS the TERRORIST dummy).
WHERE IS INDIRA SINGH???
To UNITE THE PEOPLE, SWAT should be employed, conceptually, by all people everywhere. But what context, or WHERE in their hearts should they be united to fight the good fight? Well, since 2008 INDIRA SINGH has been missing and the two radio shows listed below with her should be enough FUSE to light this bomb, to get SWAT for the first time to search for the right target, then aim for the bullseye where noone has ever identified so well what it is other than SINGH, money laundering.
We need both accuracy and precision, from an engineering point of view two completely separate details, but we also need a WORLD psychological agreement, or pact, so here is what we should be looking for in LAW ENFORCEMENT at the street level and the world level. First, at the street level, there are two programs to download to your ipods about Singh and pass around to everyone, the first is 2005, October, and Denver’s Michael Corbin interview with her, Corbin murdered likely the same time she came up missing,
then on Guns and Butter with Bonnie Faulkner, Faulkner still alive and reporting,
As for including the WORLD, the global issue should be about taking those to trial, ultimately the cabals (right?), in WORLD COURT, or in TheHague, Netherlands. This has to be. Here is what evidence should start that trial,
http://www.RememberBuilding7.org
from Richard Gage’s Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth. Remember, since the Nuremberg trials, the US has used the courts to implement heinous agendas all over the planet where they are exempt from the law (Chomsky). This has to stop in the eyes of the world, and with the participation of all. That is why TheHague is so important.
Looking at history, I figure the odds on a brighter tomorrow are stacked heavily against us. And even IF we had a sane government with balls enough to STOP the Fed’s printing presses IMMEDIATELY, we’d still never be able to pay the debts our traitor (yes, traitor) reps. on Cap. Hill have run up against freedom. None of this has happened by accident. It basically began in 1913 with the Federal Reserve Act and has been building steam through every administration; not just Obama’s. (He just happens to be, in my opinion, the NWO’s most OBEDIENT US president to date.) Even so, all of our presidents, save one, have served them to willingly (or grudgingly) to some extent. The only exception is JFK, America’s last patriot president. (R.I.P.)
Something else (and I pray I’m wrong): I don’t believe there will even BE another presidential election. The way things look, B.O. is a shoo-out in 2012. Will he chance that likely possibility? No. Firstly, he would never leave peaceably, and to avoid the embarrassment of being physically removed from the White House he’ll have to cancel all elections. Some have already called for it. If they decide against that, then look for a “national emergency” that requires martial law and suspension of the constitution to “insure our safety.” Hello, dictatorship. I wouldn’t count on the thugs on Capitol Hill to get an attack of patriotism if it happens. Sad, but that’s the kinda’ fella that HISTORICALLY IGNORANT Americans voted into office.
Robert M. Stahl, ———I could have saved you a shitload of time if you’d have asked me about the whereabouts of Indira.
When she logically concluded that Building 7 could not have fallen in any way other than a controlled demolition, she said “Fuck it.” and eloped with Sasquatch.
C. Pierce,———Glad you solved the riddle. The existing USA economic quagmire has not resulted from incompetence, greed and fraud. Fuck no. It is an ongoing conspiracy that began in 1913 with the Federal Reserve Act and continues today. Today’s players conspired telepathically with the players alive in 1913 in a cohesive plan to take down today’s US economy. Obama is surely the leader of the New World Order, and I agree he will cancel the presidential election next year and anoint himself King.
JFC where do all these fucking loonies come from ?
@ BRH et al
Check out 7:19 in this video of the most recent protest that ended in roughly 700 people being arrested.
http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=fockzr7rXys
DHS overseeing operations?