THE ONLY CANDIDATE WITH A REAL PLAN

I watched the GOP debate last night. Here are my impressions:

  • Perry came across as a very angry man. I really thought he and Romney were going to physically attack each other over the illegal immigrant accusations. If Perry were to be elected president, I would say the chances of World War III would be 75% during his term. He’s scary.
  • Romney did his usual smooth talking. He manages to take both sides of every issue. I was left with the vision of 50 illegal Mexicans with lawnmowers descending upon his 1,000 acre palatial estate. Then him acting like he understands the plight of the middle class.
  • Herman Cain was absolutely shellshocked by the beatdown he received regarding his ridiculous 999 plan. Giving politicians a new sales tax without eliminating the income tax is like locking up a 5 year old in a candy store. Cain’s 999 plan will become 12 12 12 and then 15 15 15 and before long 25 25 25. He denied what he had said just a few hours before. The man has absolutely no problem with lying, as he proved when Ron Paul confronted him at the last debate. Lying is a great trait in a President.
  • John Huntsman seemed quiet. Where the fuck was he? He has higher poll numbers than that jackoff Santorum.
  • Michelle Bachman scared the living shit out of me. She is absolutely clueless. If she tells me one more time that she raised 23 foster kids, I might go ballistic. She is vacuous.
  • Rick Santorum essentially foams at the mouth and pretends to be a good Catholic, but wants to blow up or invade every country in the Middle East. He cares deeply about marriage and the American families, but he has no problem shooting missiles at Muslim families.
  • Newt Gingrich is the smartest guy on the stage. That is clear to anyone being unbiased. He understands the problems. He knows how to get things done in Washington. He even seems to be softening his stance on war mongering. His personal baggage and smugness will never allow him to get enough support from the Republican base.
  • I thought that Ron Paul had his best performance yet. Whenever the other idiots would talk about how they are going to fix the problems with new programs and more government intervention, he brought them back to the reality of our debt, the Federal Reserve created inflation and our Empire. He has proposed a budget plan that will balance the books in three years. None of the other jackoffs would dare propose something so concrete. I loved his response to the OWS question. His views are 90% aligned with the views of the people at OWS. He was always against the bailouts. He has always been against the Federal Reserve, which is owned by the Wall Street banks. He was always against the wars that have bankrupted our country. Ron Paul is the candidate of OWS. Here is a video of his best moments.

 

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Smokey
Smokey

AWD,

I’ll flat foot guarantee you she is hot. She mentioned the other day that she double dated with Mark Harmon back in the eighties. Her date was not Mark, her friend’s date was Mark.

Mark Harmon was a star QB from UCLA in 1972-3. His dad won the Heisman. Harmon is the star of NCIS. Mark Harmon has had his choice of hot babes since high school. If Hope was double dating one of Harmon’s buddies, she is hot.

No way Harmon would double date with a buddy who was taking out a dog.

llpoh
llpoh

Keep it up you two and she will never come back.

AWD

Nah, her ego can’t resist. If she’s lurking, this will flush her out. Trust me. I know hot women doctors.

Petey
Petey

HZK

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Smokey
Smokey

AWD,

I agree with much around here, but not everything.

OWS very definitely has some legitimate grievances. But they have yet to mention any plan to have those grievances addressed in an meaningful way. And that 20 point wish list posted on the other thread is not a plan, it is a fucking joke.

In my opinion the entire movement would have far more legitimacy if the protestors went straight to Capital Hill and the White House.

The White House pissed away trillions on foreign wars. Congress pissed away trillions on entitlements. Congress took down Glass-Steagall. Congress is responsible for the Fannie and Freddie bailout, which will reach a trillion dollars. The US Government handed out TARP money. The US Government gives trillions of dollars every year to countries that hate us. The US Government bailed out AIG to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars. The US Government bailed out GM. The US Government is bought off by corporate lobbyists.

These big bankers, while being crooks, could not do a goddamn thing if it weren’t for either incompetent or conflicted, bought-off government representatives.

When people protest the richest one percent of the country, they are by definition protesting many honest people who have contributed much to society. Many of the richest people, including Bill Gates or Paul Allen or the late Steve Jobs or the Walton heirs came about their money honestly. To protest the top one percent is to include many fine people as targets of your protest. Many of the top one percent inherited their money. Big shit. It is theirs and they came about it honestly.

Now, are there some crooks in the one percent ? You bet your ass. But the reality is that there are only a handful of big banks that received TARP money. And their top executives comprise probably about one thousandth of one percent of the One Percent.

And let’s face it. Many of the protestors are fine, well-intentioned, informed people but I would submit that as least as many are fucking clueless and along for the ride.

Yes, some of the one percent abused the system, but so did many outside the one percent. Like MANY of the home equity borrowers that maxed out their credit lines for BMW’s and vacations, and are now some of the SAME people protesting the One Percent.

There is an enormous amount of blame to go around, but judgement lapses and crime took place on many levels besides the One Percent level.

Again, to me the bang for the buck for the protestors would be to protest the federal government because they are the cocksuckers behind nearly all of it.

llpoh
llpoh

Smokey – they did a trial in London where they got volunteers – say 5 or 6 – to stand in a line arbitrarily just anywhere. Not at a bus stop or anything like that. They just got these people to form a line. Pretty soon they found there would be twenty or thirty people standing in the line. No reason – they just got in line.

The OWS seems a lot like that to me. Most of them in line would have no clue why they are standing there.

I can hear the Admin scream blue murder at this already.

Smokey
Smokey

llpoh,

I would be shocked if 51% of them could pass a comprehensive freshman level economics exam. Shocked.

But you are right. When the Administrator reads our posts, especially mine, he’ll go ballistic. If I show up here tomorrow, he’ll go straight for my nuts.

Smokey
Smokey

freshman high school level

howard in nyc

smoke, the banks are the ones who bought off the government.

they are skipping the middlemen politicians.

they picked exactly the correct location to make the first stand.

every defense of the men who run the banks and corporations start with jobs and gates. those guys are the outliers.

the run of the mill bank and corporate ceo are born into the elite class, attend the same two dozen or so schools, and are nearly all MBAs and lawyers. ok, a few are marketers and salesmen. even if born into a lower caste, they get the same indoctrination and join the fucking club.

then put their dumber, more vain peers to work for them in washington.

the other night, i read george romney’s wiki page. he was a self made man. except the values of his parents, who repeatedly bounced back from economic ruin to build a life for their family.

stories of people who rose to the top of industry and banking with invention and creation, from humble beginnings and taking varied routes to the top used to be commonplace. now, everyone up there has the same degrees, the same pedigrees, from the same schools. and invented/created nothing.

to oversimplify.

but the oversimplification of associating all the folks at the top with bill gates and steve jobs is tired, misleading, and inapt. and for every ross perot, bloomberg, or even larry ellison, who actually created and built companies, you have slime like jon corzine, mitt romney, blankfein and dimon.

(blankfein is an excellent example of what i am talking about. dad worked at the post office. he worked at yankee stadium as a kid. but, straight from public school in the bronx, to harvard, harvard law, corporate law firm, and up the system. i do not denigrate his work ethic, his brainpower, his self-made credentials. but his is a very different american dream than the gates/jobs dream.)

the days of henry ford, thomas watson, hewlitt and packard, et al, are in the rear view mirror.

Smokey
Smokey

howard,

The only reason I mention Jobs, Gates, Allen and Walton is that these people are known beyond all doubt to have earned their fortunes honestly.

I say without hesitation that if you itemize the top 1% wealthiest in this country, by name, the VAST majority are NOT going to be corzine, blankfein, dimon and their ilk.

The run of the mill bank and corporate CEO’s are NOT among the wealthiest 1% of the population. Most of the richest 1% are people you have not heard of.

In 2010 there were 40,000 Americans worth in excess of thirty million dollars. There is no way you can make a case that most of them are corrupt bank officials or have committed crimes to achieve their financial standing.

Some may be resented because they went to Ivy League schools or got MBA’s or law degrees, but last time I checked, in a free society that is allowed.

howard in nyc

i’ll accept for now that the wealthiest folks in the nation are not by and large the bank and major corporate CEOs.

but the control of the political system is in the hands of those bank heads and corporate chiefs. which is the point of protesting against wall street.

the blankfeins, corzines and dimons are the ones hiring the lobbyists, writing the laws, and doling out the cash to the politicians.

Smokey
Smokey

I agree with you there.The banks and corporate chiefs absolutely control the political system.

We may disagree on the best way to rectify that. The approach that makes the most sense to me is to go directly to the bought politicians.

You indicate that you are more comfortable with the movement starting on Wall Street. Maybe your method will prove to be productive.

We should know in the next few months or sooner.

Good-night, I’m an old geezer and it’s past my bedtime.

howard in nyc

forbes 400 list: http://www.forbes.com/forbes-400/list/

you are correct sir. few investment and finance names on here, and the majority of those are casino winners, not rent-seekers.

but with some exceptions (cargill, waltons, bectel and other oil and warfare folks), they don’t buy and lobby washington the way the finance industry does.

the ‘tax the rich’ meme is one that disturbs me as it no doubt does you. i don’t mean to ignore that theme of OWS. but part of the justice and fairness, which resonates strongly with me, is the ‘having a voice’ theme. who calls the shots in DC. as best evidenced by the bailouts.

howard in nyc

g’night, mate.

S.W.P.
S.W.P.

I really don’t get why anyone backs Gingrich.He is the same problem that we have had for decades.He will be no different then Bush,Clinton,Bush and Obama.He is politics as usual and will be run by the puppet master.Will favor Israel as those before him.Nothing will change with him in office,There will still be all the neocons all the dual Israeli citizens in his Administration.Time for a clean slate…Ron Paul 2012

Novista

OWS might have the right target. Why protest the bought when you can aim at the buyers.

Many people now have a vague idea that the Federal Reserve is suspect, shall we say. A subset know something of the Jekyll Island collusion. A small number know the backstory: how the Populist movement was co-opted by, yes, the bankers! A long-term campaign with useful idiot academics, aligned newspapers editors and so on, waged a fantastic propaganda campaign.

Concurrent with the push for a central bank was the motive for the income tax and one could certainly be suspicious of the convenient arrival of the 17th amendment.

Yes, 1913 was an auspicious year for big government. Wilson was the perfect tool for the money power behind the scenes. Ol’ Woody summoned a special session of Congress in April 1913. To seal the importance, he appeared in person, the first president since John Adams to do so. And thus the Revenue Act of 1913 was spawned.

One of the illustrious politicians behind that, although he was against the income tax before he was for it, was Senator Nelson Aldrich. Is that name familiar?

Next, the 17th Amendment was formally declared an amendment to the Constitution on May 31, 1913 by Bryan, in his role as Secretary of State. It was argued at the time that this would prevent bribery at the state level. Certainly this had happened. The unintended consequence of this democratic shift was weakening the power of the individual states re the federal government.

(It would probably be churlish to say it made it easier to bribe them, now. Call me a churl.)

And then, the crown jewel: the Federal Reserve Act enacted December 23, 1913, the final draft rushed to Wilson, after the all-night session of revisions, for his eager signature.

Alexander Hamilton would have been so proud. And Henry Clay. And Lincoln. At long last, the federal monolith was complete.

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