Whenever I have the chance to raise SSS’ blood pressure, I gots to do it. I picture him slicing his drive into the woods while thinking about this article. Maybe later I’ll post a Green Day video or a picture of Billie Joe Armstrong’d butt crack.
5 Favorite Law Enforcement Lies About Marijuana
Cannabis flower – Wiki imageRuss Belville
NORML
As 50% of Americans now support marijuana legalization, the prohibitionists are coming out in full force with hysterical propaganda to once again terrorize voters about cannabis. We intended to scour multiple sources to compile the five most common scare tactics they use, but Joseph Summerill, director of the Summerill Group LLC, a Washington, D.C.- based law enforcement think tank and general counsel for the Major County Sheriffs’ Association, made our job easy by using all five in one op-ed piece published today in the Washington Examiner entitled, “Facts on medical marijuana are stubborn things, too“.
Lie #1) Marijuana’s not really medical. The government says so!
[M]arijuana is a Schedule I drug… a high potential for abuse or dependency… no accepted medical value… unsafe to use, even under medical supervision. [M]arijuana has not passed the rigid scrutiny of medicine proposed by the FDA.
The Truth
- National Institutes of Drug Abuse (NIDA) puts the lifetime dependence rate on cannabis at 9%, same as caffeine. Alcohol has a 15% rate of abuse and Tobacco’s is 32%.
- One third of federal jurisdictions (16 states and DC) accept the medical value of cannabis.
- The federal government is supplying four Americans with this “unsafe” medicine with no medical supervision.
- Cannabis has been used medically for 5,000 years without a single human death – a far greater safety standard than an FDA that approved phen-fen and Vioxx.
Lie #2) Doctors and scientists don’t approve of smoked medicine; they do approve of Marinol.
Institute of Medicine and the American Medical Association acknowledged the lack of data to support the use of smoked marijuana for medicinal purposes.
What is scientifically approved by the FDA and accepted by the medical community is a medicine called Marinol, a legal, widely prescribed drug currently in pill form containing synthetic THC, a main constituent in marijuana.
The Truth
- The American Medical Association said, “smoked cannabis reduces neuropathic pain, improves appetite and caloric intake especially in patients with reduced muscle mass, and may relieve spasticity and pain in patients with multiple sclerosis.”
- Marinol is 100% synthetic THC (the psychoactive component) suspended in a sesame oil capsule. Cannabis flowers are around 5%-30% natural THC combined with CBD (a component that moderates psychoactivity) and other beneficial compounds.
- Inhaling cannabis is a superior delivery mechanism for it allows the patient to self-titrate (adjust dose) and get immediate relief. It’s especially helpful to inhale cannabis rather than swallow a Marinol pill when one is vomiting. We recognize many inhaled medications (think: steroid inhalers for asthma patients) and when vaporized, any harms from smoking cannabis are eliminated.
Lie #3) Marijuana smoke is much worse than cigarette smoke!
[S]moked marijuana contains more than 400 chemicals, many of which are identical to the most harmful chemicals and carcinogens found in cigarette smoke. The fact is that a marijuana cigarette contains four times as much tar as a tobacco cigarette.
The Truth
- My pencil contains five components, two of which are identical to the graphite found in golf clubs and the wood found in golf tees. This does not make my pencil a golf club or a tee. Water contains hydrogen and oxygen. This does not make water flammable or breathable. Many recipes call for the same ingredients; it’s how you put them together that matters. Joints aren’t cigarettes, they’re far safer than that.
- Dr. Donald Tashkin went looking for that “marijuana causes cancer” connection and found quite the opposite, that cannabis smokers had lower incidence of head, neck, and lung cancer. We even have compelling evidence that cannabinoids may be instrumental in unlocking the cure for cancer.
- Very few tokers smoke 20 to 40 joints a day, but even if they did, where are these marijuana smokers with the tar-ravaged lungs filling up our hospitals? Again, we have zero recorded deaths from cannabis smoking and over 400,000 annual deaths from tobacco use. Joints aren’t cigarettes.
Lie #4) Marijuana is the gateway drug to cocaine, meth, and heroin!
[L]egalizing marijuana leads to the use of more dangerous and harmful drugs, such as cocaine and methamphetamine…. [T]eens who smoke marijuana were found to be 85 times more likely to use cocaine than those teens who do not smoke marijuana.
The Truth
- Teens who ride bicycles were found to be 85 times more likely to join an outlaw biker gang than teens who don’t ride bicycles*. So we should outlaw bicycles? Sure, most cocaine users may have started first with pot, but they also probably started with alcohol before that and milk before that.
- That same Institute of Medicine report Mr. Summerill referenced in Lie #2 said, “There is no conclusive evidence that the drug effects of marijuana are causally linked to the subsequent abuse of other illicit drugs.”
- According to the National Survey on Drug Use and Health, over 100 million American adults have tried cannabis. There are currently about 1.5 million monthly cocaine users, 430 thousand monthly meth users, and 192 thousand monthly heroin users. So for every 46 people who’ve ever tried pot, only one went on to become a monthly hard drug user. A gateway that only affects 2.1% of the people isn’t much of a gateway. * OK, that one we just made up.
Lie #5) Marijuana legalization leads to carnage on the highways!
[M]arijuana use, including its use for medicinal purposes, is directly related to motor vehicle accidents and reckless driving, as cannabis affects psychomotor functioning.
In a study of fatally injured drivers in Washington state, a state with legalized medical marijuana, about one every eight tested positive for marijuana.
The Truth
- The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration has said of marijuana testing of drivers, “It is inadvisable to try and predict effects based on blood THC concentrations alone, and currently impossible to predict specific effects based on THC-COOH concentrations” because “[d]etection time is well past the window of intoxication and impairment.” Finding pot in some drivers’ systems following a crash just tells you some people smoke pot.
- From 2008-2009, fatal crashes in the states that had medical marijuana declined overall 9.34%. Only one medical marijuana state, Rhode Island, had an increase greater than 3%, which resulted in 18 more deaths. Four other states had 1%-3% increases, leading to 9 additional deaths. Of the remaining eight states that saw declines, half saw double-digit declines, including the laxest medical marijuana state, California, which had 353 fewer traffic fatalities.
- Legalizing marijuana does not legalize DUI. People who smoke pot and drive now are busted in all fifty states and legalization doesn’t change that.
When it comes to medical information and the safety record of cannabis, we’ll trust real doctors and 5,000 years of historical use. Not the ramblings of a law enforcement think tank director desperately trying to save asset forfeiture proceeds, federal grant money, and overtime hours for state and local cops and job security for prison guards.
KaD says:
Check out all these articles about it: http://www.naturalnews.com/GoogleSearchResults.html?q=Marijuana&cx=010579349100583850635%3Aw_kzwe9_yca&cof=FORID%3A11&ie=UTF-8&sa.x=55&sa.y=12#883
It’s been shown to provide protection against radiation as well.
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26th October 2011 at 1:53 pm
Welshman says:
I’m getting out the popcorn, go for it SSS, truth is marching on LOL.
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26th October 2011 at 1:55 pm
Tokey says:
This is just the… uh… dude, what was I saying? Oh yeah…. this is just the (gasp) news I’ve been waiting for! Dude!
Oh, yeah…. get off my lawn, kids!
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26th October 2011 at 1:57 pm
Smokey says:
Talk about taking a blowtorch to the balls of a dragon.
When SSS gets wind of this, it will make yesterday’s thread look like a friendly chat among close friends.
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26th October 2011 at 2:03 pm
brann says:
a libertarian doesn’t have to like what people do,,just agree with their right to do it
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26th October 2011 at 2:44 pm
Muck About says:
There is so much shit closely circling the fan that before long, MJ will be legal by default. There simply will not be sufficient funds to manage all the big problems, so a tiny one like MJ will just slowly drift into acceptance and ignored.
I am now putting on my helmet, opening the creaky door to the shelter and will await the nuclear blast from Phoenix once SSS gets wind of this thread..
MA
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26th October 2011 at 3:02 pm
Stucky says:
Time for some sss doppleganging. Dontchya think?
I would do it but me and Ms Freud are going shopping for a bra. For me.
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26th October 2011 at 3:17 pm
SSS says:
Admin
You little shit. I have to go to the gym, but I’ll be back later to totally destroy this crap from ABNORML. In the meantime, give a listen to my personal response to you for posting this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jw2cqRavlec
Muck
I live in Tucson, not Phoenix.
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26th October 2011 at 3:41 pm
Administrator says:
sss
My personal response to you. You will love it, I promise.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTPFFQw9xfk
Hot debate. What do you think?
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26th October 2011 at 3:48 pm
Administrator says:
Stuck
Stop doppleganging me.
I’m in enough trouble with SSS
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26th October 2011 at 4:02 pm
SSS says:
Stucky
You’re the only one on this site who types my screen name in lower case. Your doppleganging skills need work.
And leave it to Stucky to choose a song by some ugly, foul-mouthed, pampered skank to send me a message. Her face would stop a clock at 50 paces. Lily Allen eats shit.
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26th October 2011 at 4:05 pm
matt says:
This country sucks, the laws and who gets punished for what is fucking. absurd anymore.SSS you are just wrong on this one my friend.
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26th October 2011 at 4:05 pm
Administrator says:
SSS preparing to take on the shit throwing monkeys.
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26th October 2011 at 4:05 pm
Stucky says:
“Her face would stop a clock at 50 paces.”
Yeah, right. What are you smoking? Weed???
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26th October 2011 at 4:19 pm
Stucky says:
If you hit ctrl and + three times (to enlarge pic) you’ll be able to see the hangy down thingy!
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26th October 2011 at 4:23 pm
Smokey says:
That ugly fucking dyke bitch would knock buzzards off a shit wagon at a hundred yards.
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26th October 2011 at 5:11 pm
Hope@ZeroKelvin says:
This is one of the best sites I have found for a pro/con debate on multiple issues. I think it’s treatment of the demon weed is particularly good.
http://medicalmarijuana.procon.org/
To placate SSS and because this thread has at least 10 replies, which is the minimum before a Selma H. pix is posted, this one’s for SSS.
Note: I have 4 patients who go to Colorado on a regular basis for medical marijuana for their cancer pain and nausea – and are completely off all pain and nausea meds. Ancedotal I know, but striking.
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26th October 2011 at 7:16 pm
Muck About says:
@Hope: That’s more than anecdotal.. SSS just won’t buy into any of it. That particular part of his brain is ossified beyond repair.
What the Hell is it about Selma Hickup that’s so special? Reminds me of all the Kardashian horde or Lady Gaga who struggles to make themselves relevant by being outrageously stupid. A pox upon all their doings.
MA
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26th October 2011 at 7:30 pm
SSS says:
Per ABNORML, which claims the following is a lie (see Lie #2), “What is scientifically approved by the FDA and accepted by the medical community is a medicine called Marinol, a legal, widely prescribed drug currently in pill form containing synthetic THC, a main constituent in marijuana.”
That is totally TRUE, yet ABNORML calls it a lie. Marinol is widely available through prescription and is a proven drug useful to relieve the nausea and vomiting associated with chemotherapy in cancer patients and assist with appetite loss in AIDS patients.
Yet, ABNORMAL does not discredit Marinol, but tries to drag bullshit red herrings across the reader’s path, such as:
•Marinol is 100% synthetic THC (the psychoactive component) suspended in a sesame oil capsule. Cannabis flowers are around 5%-30% natural THC combined with CBD (a component that moderates psychoactivity) and other beneficial compounds.
•Inhaling cannabis is a superior delivery mechanism for it allows the patient to self-titrate (adjust dose) and get immediate relief. It’s especially helpful to inhale cannabis rather than swallow a Marinol pill when one is vomiting. We recognize many inhaled medications (think: steroid inhalers for asthma patients) and when vaporized, any harms from smoking cannabis are eliminated.
Total bullshit. So what if Marinol is synthetic? It works. And what is really helpful when you’re vomiting? Nothing!!! When you’re tossing your cookies, you can neither take a pill or smoke a joint. You take the pill when you start to start to feel nauseous, not when you start to vomit. And finally, inhaled medications bear no resemblence to something you smoke. Here’s a fucking news bulletin for the largely unwashed masses on this site.
THERE ARE NO FDA-APPROVED MEDICATIONS THAT ARE SMOKED.
If you assholes think I’m going to go toe-to-toe and point-by-point with ABNORMAL’S unhinged bullshit, you’re sadly mistaken. Go ahead and sit in your uneducated world and rest easily on your one word retort of “liberty.” Please don’t bother to spend a little time to read up on the subject and try to get a little perspective. It’s so much easier being a lump of clueless protoplasm.
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26th October 2011 at 7:40 pm
SSS says:
HZK
There is NO such thing as medical marijuana. Those patients of yours just want to get high. Fuck them. Let them suffer as God intended. Tell me, what will happen if those pot smoking sickies get better? They’ll be HOOKED on marijuana!! Breaking laws. Getting high. Having sex with farm animals. All because YOU provided them a GATEWAY to a liffe of debauchery!
You spew putrid lies. Hippie busllshit. Unsubstantiated medical advice. I expected better from you.
Hot debate. What do you think?
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26th October 2011 at 7:40 pm
SSS says:
Hope
Disregard the doppelganged comment. Probably Stucky, but who cares.
Nice to have you back and thanks for the pic of Salma. Haven’t seen that one before.
I’ll comment on the marijuana clinics later.
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26th October 2011 at 7:55 pm
Stucky says:
Not me.
I use lowercase … sss.
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26th October 2011 at 7:57 pm
brann says:
what does sss stand for——-stupid sucking shit?
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26th October 2011 at 8:02 pm
SSS says:
brann
Nice try at insults …….. “what does sss stand for——-stupid sucking shit?”
People on this site disagree (hate?) my views on illegal drugs. I know that. But I defend my views with facts. See above.
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26th October 2011 at 9:21 pm
llpoh says:
brann is about to get mulched.
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26th October 2011 at 9:39 pm
brann says:
weed should be mandatory for tight ass mother fuckers like triple s and his ilk here on tbp.pretending to be freedom loving patriots when they are fascist pigs.
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26th October 2011 at 10:15 pm
Opinionated Bloviator says:
If illegal drugs has a theme song this would be it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QS0q3mGPGg
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26th October 2011 at 10:19 pm
llpoh says:
What happens after SSS eats too much brann:
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26th October 2011 at 10:20 pm
ecliptix543 says:
So, let me get this right. YOU, SSS, are actually defending the science and validity of an FDA approval process? And you’re using the FDA’s refusal to be-knight a big fat bag ‘o weed as an OPTION for treatment for horrifyingly ill people – that’s one of your core angles? Bullshit.
ALERT – THE BULLSHIT FLAG HAS BEEN THROWN!!! HALF THE DISTANCE TO THE GOAL, LOSS OF DOWN, DO NOT PASS GO, AND DO NOT COLLECT NEEDED REVENUE ON SOMETHING WE’RE GOING TO DO ANYWAY!!!
The complete hypocrisy of this whole anti-drug crusade undermines any sort of response from you that isn’t something like this: “I see your point. I’m just a crusty old worn-out spook that can’t get it up anymore. Half the time, I can’t even find it and have to call Smokey for advice. I just complain about it here because the local kids don’t bring any around to me anymore after that one day I forgot to get dressed before I went to the golf course and was brought back to the nursing home in the back a police car and paper gown. It made the local news… now I can’t score any smoke so I want to ruin everyone else’s life until they’re as miserable and senile as me.”
Start with that, SSS. Then work yourself up to the tearful apology to us all for having put up with your asinine, and unfounded, beliefs for so fucking long. Then we’ll give you a big TBP hug full of dildos and balls of flaming shit, and all will be right with the world.
Or,
Keep up being the sole defender of Eric Holder’s butt-puppet agency of hacks, fuckups, and thieves with guns and we’ll keep ridiculing you until the Lord calls you home. (Where St. Peter will undoubtedly tell you that you’ve been wrong this whole time, and that Jesus initially became famous for selling the best weed… how did you think he really healed the sick, afterall?)
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26th October 2011 at 10:20 pm
Smokey says:
Little ignorant pussy brann drops by to prove again he’s mommy’s little faggot.
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26th October 2011 at 10:25 pm
AWD says:
ecliptix
One of the funniest posts I’ve ever read on TBP.
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26th October 2011 at 10:25 pm
brann says:
smokey again proves the best part of him ran down his fathers leg.
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26th October 2011 at 10:34 pm
Tokey says:
SSS = 150% of the SS
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26th October 2011 at 10:41 pm
Sonic says:
I don’t have a dog in this fight. I oppose the illegality of drugs on largely libertarian grounds; however, statements like these are the height of ridiculosity:
”
Cannabis has been used medically for 5,000 years without a single human death – a far greater safety standard than an FDA that approved phen-fen and Vioxx.
”
Who the fuck can say that something hasn’t killed anybody in 5000 years? Falling out of bed kills one out of every 2 million people every year (in Britain anyway…maybe their floors are harder). I’m thinking that at least one person in the last 5 millenia choked on a doobie and died, or maybe an allergic reaction or something. Granted I don’t know anyone who died of pot, but no one in five millenia…they are certainly not counting all of the fatalities from the traffic and production of it.
Anytime I read something that screams bullshit like that I tend to assume that the rest of the story is bullshit too.
Cordially,
Sonic
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26th October 2011 at 10:58 pm
llpoh says:
Sonic – let’s be clear here – you do not have a dog in any fight.
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26th October 2011 at 11:02 pm
Sonic says:
As apparently you are Smokey’s dog in every fight. Be a good little doggy now and go away lest I be forced to put you down.
Cordially,
Sonic
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26th October 2011 at 11:07 pm
llpoh says:
Sonic – come on – you know that I just bitch slapped you senseless with one small sentence. If I can do that much damage with only 13 words, imagine what I can do to you if I really let fly. All your fake bravado while you piss in the corner with your tail between your legs is really pathetic. Admit it – you are overmatched.
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26th October 2011 at 11:12 pm
Sonic says:
I’m about as over matched as my boot when it crushes a cockroach.
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26th October 2011 at 11:19 pm
brann says:
if bullshit was energy y’all could power the whole country.
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26th October 2011 at 11:19 pm
ecliptix543 says:
Brann – SSS is working on that right now, along with llpoh and Dave. Those guys (and/or girls) are full-up with bullshit and on the cusp of converting it into oil as we type.
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26th October 2011 at 11:37 pm
llpoh says:
E – methane, not oil. Bullshit converts to methane.
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26th October 2011 at 11:39 pm
Smokey says:
brann,
If your brain was gas, there wouldn’t be enough fuel to power an ant’s minibike halfway around a BB.
If your brain was placed on the edge of a razor blade, it would look like a BB rolling down a four lane highway.
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26th October 2011 at 11:40 pm
Smokey says:
Sonic,
Tread lightly. The way I smacked around your little pussy ass will feel like a fucking a week at Disney World compared to what llpoh does if you provoke him.
He’ll kick your scrawny pretentious ass on his way to go kick some ass.
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26th October 2011 at 11:44 pm
SSS says:
@ Hope, who said, “I have 4 patients who go to Colorado on a regular basis for medical marijuana for their cancer pain and nausea – and are completely off all pain and nausea meds. Ancedotal I know, but striking.”
Striking, indeed. There are 2 medical marijuana clinics in Dallas and Austin. You practice medicine in Houston. Why do your 4 patients drive/fly to Colorado when they can get it cheaper in Texas, which, by the way, doesn’t have marijuana penalties all that harsh? Possession of 2 oz. (56 grams) of MJ in Texas will net you MAYBE 3 days in jail and up to $2 grand in fines.
Medical marijuana laws in Colorado will sell you less than half that every 2 weeks. Buy 2 oz on the street in Texas, and you’ve got a month’s supply. Even better, tell your patients to go to Dallas or Austin. All the info is on the web.
So what’s your plan, Doc? Tell your 4 patients where/how they can get weed legally cheaper to ease their pain and suffering right there in Texas? Suggest or prescribe Marinol? Or keep your mouth shut and just listen?
How’s the Hippocratic Oath working for you now?
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26th October 2011 at 11:51 pm
llpoh says:
Smokey – these wannabees only learn the hard way. You stomp one, and another takes its place. After the belting you gave him and all the others yesterday, I figure old Sonic would have wised up some and laid low. But no. Here he is back for more. But I do notice he is getting gunshy. When they start the “oh yeah, I am too tough” routine, it generally means they are about to roll over and show their bellies. You are about to have him licking your boots and whining for a scratch behind his ears.
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26th October 2011 at 11:52 pm
llpoh says:
SSS has calculated that Hope’s grace period upon her return has elapsed.
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26th October 2011 at 11:55 pm
brann says:
thank you smokey for proving my point—you once thought you had something important to say but you farted and it went away.
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26th October 2011 at 11:56 pm
brann says:
you know i could spend more time here,but then again,i have a life—get one yourself some time and give it a try.all you “big” dogs.
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26th October 2011 at 12:00 am
Sonic says:
Unfortunately no. While I have enjoyed our little tete a tete I am only able to peek over every now and again as I am back to the reality of clients wanting something that my schedule doesn’t appear to have time to allow. It will allow it, of course, I’ll just bust my ass to get it done. In the meantime you should go get your ears scratched and smell each other’s asses. I’ll say this: you may not have the first fucking clue how to win an argument, but you do create epic amounts of bull shit.
Cordially,
Sonic
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26th October 2011 at 12:14 am
SSS says:
eciptix543 and brann
Nice personal attacks on me. Not gonna bite. You 2 can’t even bring a knife to a gunfight. Sad.
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26th October 2011 at 12:15 am
SSS says:
Tokey (probably Stucky) said, “SSS = 150% of the SS.”
Tell you what.*
Why don’t you just hang around this forum for a month or two and build a laundry list of Nazi SS sympathizers you’ve found? Then submit your findings to the Department of Homeland Security, you whiny, little, turncoat bastard.
*TBP copyright. Used with permission.
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26th October 2011 at 12:32 am
matt says:
Glad everybody is so righteous about a hard-core issue like smoking weed. Meanwhile………
http://www.cnbc.com/id/45046452
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26th October 2011 at 12:53 am
SSS says:
Sonic said (edited) on the ABNORMAL post:
“Cannabis has been used medically for 5,000 years without a single human death …..Who the fuck can say that something hasn’t killed anybody in 5000 years? ….. Anytime I read something that screams bullshit like that I tend to assume that the rest of the story is bullshit too.”
Uh, huh. Agree. It’s so obvious, even an ex-CIA officer can see it.
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26th October 2011 at 1:04 am
ecliptix543 says:
SSS: “Nice personal attacks on me. Not gonna bite. You 2 can’t even bring a knife to a gunfight. Sad.”
I take it then you elect to admit defeat since you fail to rebut the points presented. Last minute attempts at misdirection are the sign of a failed strategy, failed ethos. You have lost, sir. Accept your defeat with honor and admit it publicly. Stand tall! You flew your colors with integrity and determination, but the battle is lost. You know it. We know it. We do not bring knives to gunfights. We brought the Artillery of Truth and you have been vanquished from the field this day. Surrender now and you may yet live to fight again.
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26th October 2011 at 1:08 am
Novista says:
Good link, matt.
And then there was this:
http://www.ncmahq.org/NewsPublications/CMNewsDetail.cfm?itemnumber=10801
$60 billion in contrctor fraud from a government commission — with the report unavailable until 2031, according to another source.
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26th October 2011 at 1:46 am
Stucky says:
sss
Tokey was NOT me. While I disagree with your MJ views — and I do dopplegang your moniker — I don’t do personnal attacks. No, it wasn’t me.
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26th October 2011 at 9:09 am
Tim says:
SSS –
I live in Texas, near the NM border, and I am unaware that medical pot is legal in the State of Texas. I read a brief news snippet, years ago, that medical mj was legal in New Mexico, but I have never heard of anyone driving across the state line to get any.
If there are clinics in Austin and Dallas, as you assert, can you provide sources for this? I didn’t know they existed in this state.
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26th October 2011 at 9:21 am
SSS says:
Tim
Look it up yourself. Google “marijuana clinics texas.”
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