You have to hand it to our leaders. Not only are they incapable of understanding economics, but their hubris is so extreme they think they can start a war without comprehending the unintended consequences of that decision. Worldwide catastrophe will be the result if a shooting war with Iran is the chosen course of TPTB. Remember – war only benefits the war industry and the bankers loaning the money to fight the war and build the weapons. It does not benefit the average American in any way.
State of Denial in Coming War Catastrophe
By Greg Hunter’s USAWatchdog.com
The world economy is in the tank, and the Federal Reserve’s decision to extend its zero interest rate policy to, at least, the end of 2014 proves it. What will happen if the fragile world economy also has to deal with a war with Iran? That should have been the big headline coming out of the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, but what was reported was concern over slow or no growth in the world. All the signs are that the West is careening towards war with Iran, and there is not a peep about it from world leaders. Are they in a state of denial in a coming war catastrophe? I say yes.
One of the first shots fired by the EU was in the form of increased sanctions to boycott Iranian oil in about five months. The second shot looks like it will be fired by the Iranians who won’t wait for sanctions to kick in and will move to cut off oil exports of around 600,000 barrels a day to the Eurozone. (Click here for more on this story.) The Iranians have not yet cut off the oil. MSNBC reported yesterday, “The Islamic Republic declared itself optimistic about a visit by U.N. nuclear experts that began on Sunday but also warned the inspectors to be “professional” or see Tehran reducing cooperation with the world body on atomic matters. The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) inspection delegation will seek to advance efforts to resolve a row about nuclear work which Iran says is for making electricity but the West suspects is aimed at seeking a nuclear weapon.” (Click here to read the latest CNBC story.)
The immediate cut off of oil to the EU would be a disaster, and the Iranians do not have to close the Strait of Hormuz to do it. This would cause major pain to a European economy teetering on the brink of collapse. How well do you think the Eurozone would perform with a spike in energy prices? Talk about no growth, how about a giant contraction and an implosion of some of the biggest banks on both sides of the Atlantic. This is not all out war, mind you, just an immediate cut of Iranian oil to Europe.
Some say this is all just a high stakes game of poker with both sides saber rattling and jockeying for position. Stratfor.com, global intelligence experts, said in a report last week, “It is in this context that the possibility of negotiations has arisen. The Iranians have claimed that the letter the U.S. administration sent to Iranian supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei that defined Iran’s threats to Strait of Hormuz as a red line contained a second paragraph offering direct talks with Iran. After hesitation, the United States denied the offer of talks, but it did not deny it had sent a message to the Iranian leadership.” (Click here to read the complete report.)
I think this view is extremely optimistic and on the edge of wishful thinking in light of the comments made by the Israeli Defense Minister a few days ago. The UK Telegraph reported, “Reviving Western concerns that his government is still contemplating unilateral military action against Iran, Ehud Barak gave one of the clearest signs yet that Israel’s support for new US and EU sanctions remains strictly limited. “We are determined to prevent Iran from turning nuclear,” he told the World Economic Forum in Davos. “And even the American president and opinion leaders have said that no option should be removed from the table. It seems to us to be urgent, because the Iranians are deliberately drifting into what we call an immunity zone where practically no surgical operation could block them.” (Click here to read the complete UK Telegraph story.) This doesn’t sound like a peace plan to me.
Debka.com, a leading intelligence website, reported the possible time table for war in a post yesterday. The Debka.com analysis says actions by the U.S. Navy on deploying a special commando ship in the Persian Gulf point to a conflict that is just a few months away. The report said, “The target date for deploying the commando platform in the Persian Gulf in four or five months indicates Washington is preparing for military clashes to blow up with Iran in the late spring or early summer.” (Click here for the complete Debka.com report.) Then again, what if the Iranians feel war is going to happen no matter what and don’t wait for the U.S. to be fully set. What if the Israelis take charge and strike first? If the U.S. lost an aircraft carrier or two, would the conflict turn nuclear? These are all real world questions with catastrophic implications for the fragile Western economy that is cocked full of insolvent banks that use phony accounting to stay afloat. If real war breaks out, the charade will be over—pronto.
I am not advocating war–just pointing out that war is coming unless something is done to avert it. If war does come, it will be bloody on both sides. The Iranians surely possess sophisticated supersonic Chinese and Russian missiles that are capable of sinking an aircraft carrier. The Iranians, also, probably have Russian torpedoes that travel at speeds of at least 200 miles per hour—underwater! Check out this example of a Russian torpedo that can sink vessels above and below the water.
Does the U.S. have countermeasures to Chinese and Russian missiles and torpedoes? Yes, but no countermeasure is 100% effective. It would be naïve to think the U.S. could come out of this conflict without a loss of vessels and lives. The U.S would win the war, but the world economy would collapse in a matter of days if the saber rattling turned into full metal-to-metal contact. An imploding global economy would happen in Internet time and would make the Great Depression look like a party.
Muck About says:
Ach, such BS.. You get to see a missile poot out of tube and supposedly shortly thereafter, here it comes out of the water (with a lot of waste left over to burn).
No results of either launch were shown.
The vessel that pooted them out is dead – probably before it would have had a chance to poot at all. Since the photography is so poor you can’t tell whether the second missile was launched from the same launcher or another one – but there was a huge difference between the two shots in the distance between the ship and where the missile lit off.
It is not a rocket torpedo – more like a short range ballistic missile or even less, judging from the size of it. Throwing it in the water prior to launch means it is a light-it-off and forget it. A hot enough launch to justify using seawater to buffer ignition shock which is whole lot easier than building the hardware to launch directly from on board or modifying initial boost (like we do with cruise missiles directly off a ship).
No impressed with either the video or the article.
MA
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5th February 2012 at 12:40 pm
Hotrod says:
In my business dealings with extremely wealthy investors I have come to the realization that there is a certain class of people to whom the aggregation of more wealth trumps all. It is how the Saudis and Israelis can co-exist. It is how the Catholic and Jew can cooperate. If there is money to be made cooperation is possible, but only if the action benefits the chosen few. I’m afraid this upcoming war will be very profitable for the insider few and disasterous for the rest of us. Wish us all luck.
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5th February 2012 at 12:44 pm
David says:
Some 58,000 U.S. soldiers died in Vietnam. How many were wounded? How many Vietnamese were killed? Ten years of agent orange, bombs, bullets, and napalm. And all for what? The U. S. left that country worse than a slapped dog howling down the street with its tail between its legs. How many young men died in Iraq, on both sides. But wait a second. They have weapons of mass destruction. We have to bomb the hell out of them. Let’s kill some more people. Ten years in Afghanistan. How many thousands have died there. Innocent men, women, children, their body parts scattered over dusty, barren ground by hellfire missiles for what? Could it be the poppy fields? Who is going to benefit. Young innocent men die and old men peruse their bank accounts. Now it’s Iran. Every insensible excuse is being screamed through the media to attack. They might have this! They might have that! They will have something is a year! Hit them now! Does something seem funny with this picture? Where is all this propaganda coming from and who is behind it all? Won’t some clear-headed politician stand up and put a stop to it? Man, give peace a chance.
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5th February 2012 at 1:00 pm
IndenturedServant says:
The radical muslim leaders of Iran and other nations have a stated goal of wiping Israel off the face of the Earth. They believe that killing infidels will get them into muslim heaven. I believe that if the current leadership in Iran builds or otherwise obtains a nuclear bomb, the WILL use it to smoke Israel.
I’m no big fan of Israel. Seems to me that our lives would be much easier if we were not giving near unconditional support to them. I’m not advocating a war with Iran. There is no way in hell I want that.
Since none of us mere mortals can know the facts we need to know to make well informed, intelligent decisions about the matter, I have to wonder about several things. If the Iranians get a nuke and take out Israel intentionally or some other country by accident, then what? Is that better than a preemptive strike? Even if no other country fires off a nuke after such an event, (unlikely) what will the weather patterns do to the radiation cloud.
I’m just glad I’m not the one making the decisions.
I_S
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5th February 2012 at 3:40 pm
Administrator says:
I think the Chinese are crazy. They are supporting Iran. They have nukes. Should we nuke them first?
Pakistan is a crazy Muslim country run by nutjobs. They have nukes. Should we nuke them first?
Russia is run by a dictator. They are supporting Syria and Iran. They have nukes. Should we nuke them first?
North Korea has been run by crazier nutjobs than those ruling Iran. They have nukes. Why didn’t we attack North Korea when they were developing a nuke? Should we nuke them now before they do something crazy?
Israel has 200 nukes and would wipe Iran off the map if attacked.
Name the only country on earth that has attacked another country with a nuke.
Iran attacking Israel with a nuke is gibberish spouted by people who know nothing about how countries operate in the real world.
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5th February 2012 at 4:09 pm
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5th February 2012 at 4:20 pm
howard in nyc says:
“Iran attacking Israel with a nuke is gibberish spouted by people who know nothing about how countries operate in the real world.”
word.
israel’s beef with iran is their support of hamas and hezbollah, with guns, rockets and lots of cash. the nuclear iran is just a bs excuse.
it matters not whether you think israel’s beef is justified or not. this is their motivation. they have many real fears and security concerns; the mullahs nuking tel aviv isn’t even on the fucking list.
“but, they have said they will wipe israel off the map!”
you gonna start believing what politicians spout now? or have you always believed politician bullshit-speak?
my goodness, why is everyone so fucking stupid?
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5th February 2012 at 4:37 pm
Kill Bill says:
“Where ignorance is bliss, ’tis folly to be wise” -Thomas Gray
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5th February 2012 at 4:45 pm
ron says:
Whats the sense in havin da bomb if you wont use it? Or is years of war better?
And i cant claim to know how Mullahs think,i wouldnt want to be a jew in Israel though.
Isnt there supposed to be some fella in a well thats supposed to come out and lead the Iranians
and get rid of all the infidels.Im sure these folks think with logic.
Im sure itll all be good for our economy.
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5th February 2012 at 5:00 pm
Kill Bill says:
Israelis and Muslims are related according to biblical lore. thru Abraham.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ishmael
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5th February 2012 at 5:16 pm
slappy says:
“The radical muslim leaders of Iran and other nations have a stated goal of wiping Israel off the face of the Earth. ” – Try and find us the original source on that dip shit, thats right it doesn’t exist. it was lost in translation. SLAP SLAP SLAP head
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5th February 2012 at 5:36 pm
Administrator says:
ron
How come Mutually Assured Destruction has worked for the last 67 years, but won’t work with Iran?
France, UK, China, Russia, India, Pakistan and North Korea have nukes and have never used them.
Only one country in history has used nukes.
When was the last time Iran invaded another country?
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5th February 2012 at 6:04 pm
Kill Bill says:
Over 30 American imams signed a fatwa Saturday condemning honor killings, after a Canada court convicted Afghan immigrants for murdering four female relatives accused of damaging the family’s reputation.
“There is no justification for honor killings, domestic violence and misogyny in Islam,” according to the religious order issued by the Islamic Supreme Council of Canada (ISCC) and signed by 34 imams from Canada and the United States. -By Agence France-Presse
Sunday, February 5, 2012 16:51 EST
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5th February 2012 at 6:14 pm
Hope@ZeroKelvin says:
@Admin: MAD only worked because the leaders of the nuke countries at that time loved themselves (and their people/country) more than than hated us.
I am not so sure you can say that about the current leadership in Iran. The 12th Imam believers are the ones even Ayatollah Khomenini thought were crazier than a shit house rat.
The problem with modern Iran is that they are in a demographic nightmare. The birthrate among the Iranians is about 1.59i of the Persian speakers, barely replacement, on par with Italy. Their oil is schedule to to run out in 2020. Iran, is in “crunch time”.
They have literally nothing to lose by provoking the West and probably everything to gain, at least in their minds.
Here, read this: http://pjmedia.com/spengler/2012/02/03/lessons-about-iran-from-hitler/?singlepage=true
I’m tellin’ you, right here. Iran is going to war, and will likely drag us all in with them.
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5th February 2012 at 6:57 pm
Kill Bill says:
They know of no solutions to the paradoxes of the Middle East and Europe, the Far East and Africa except the landing of Marines. Being baffled, and also being very tired of being baffled, they have come to believe that there is no way out—except war—which would remove all the bewildering paradoxes of their tedious and now misguided attempts to construct peace -C Wright Mills
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5th February 2012 at 7:29 pm
IndenturedServant says:
Admin said: “How come Mutually Assured Destruction has worked for the last 67 years, but won’t work with Iran?”
The radicals that control Iran do not fear their own destruction. As long as it comes in service to Allah by way of destroying infidels, they become martyrs and go to heaven. You cannot lose if that is your mindset. I’m not saying that all Iranians or even muslims believe this.
Russians, Israelis, Pakis, Indians & North Koreans apparently prefer life or self preservation over martyrdom. So far, anyway. A modern, multi mega-ton nuke, will make Fat Man and Little boy look like a lady finger firework by comparison.
I largely believe the US should stay the fuck out of it and let Iran & Israel do what they have to do.
I_S
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5th February 2012 at 7:47 pm
Kill Bill says:
If Iran is going to hit peak oil in 2012, as MA suggests, then why bother with war with Iran?
If Irans oil supply is depleted then China will go seeking resources elsewhere which might then lead to another war but not against Iran.
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5th February 2012 at 7:58 pm
IndenturedServant says:
http://www.wnd.com/2012/02/ayatollah-kill-all-jews-annihilate-israel/
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5th February 2012 at 8:04 pm
Zara says:
a) At current production rates, Iran has 100 years of reserves. They also have enormous reserves of natural gas.
b) Jews are protected by Iran’s constitution and they are reserved one seat in parliament.
c) Iran has been around for 4,000 years. Any notion that they’d commit national suicide the first time they got an atom bomb is just fucking ridiculous
d) Israel IS a cancerous tumor.
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5th February 2012 at 8:16 pm
Muck About says:
One minor correction; North Korea is “thought” to have nukes — by the politicians. All that happened when they tried a test was the equivalent of a few hundred tons of TNT which could have been a trigger for a failed nuke.
They never set off another one, claiming they tested one and by God you better be afraid of us squeaked the starving mouse).
The major problem (other than religious bull shit that always -ALWAYS – kills people off) is the the very real chance of someone making a mistake or miscalculates how hard to push or we get a nut-job here or there that wants to be immortally remembered and lights a match to it.
I’m quite sure that as long as religion exists in the minds of true believers (like Ann Barnhardt) someone will be slaughtering someone else, somewhere on the face of this poor polluted, ever warmer, overpopulated earth.
I’ll be outta here soon enough but I sure would hate to be pushed out early..
MA
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5th February 2012 at 8:42 pm
Mikey says:
@Muck About
That’s because the video was of a destroyer launched ballistic missile. They don’t have the space to mount all the hardware and steel required for a deck-mounted launch.
The torpedo that was mention is known as the шквал or sqvall torpedo. It uses an interesting quirk of fluid dynamics to make a ‘bubble’ of vapour around it. It then flies through that bubble of vapour being powered by a rocket. As such, it’s flying – not swimming through water. That means it has several orders of magnitude less of water resistance slowing it down.
Upside – it’s crazy fast. It’s almost as fast underwater as an equivalent missile is above water. Because it’s below water and is travelling supersonically, most of the methods of detecting it don’t work other than active sonar – and any sub/ship using active sonar in a shooting match is dead anyway.
downside – because it’s moving in a bubble of vapour, it can’t guide itself towards the target. So essentially it’s similar to a WW2 grade torpedo – dumb fired, and unable to be detected by its target until its too late. Also, while the target can’t really hear it coming via sonar, every other vessel in the vicinity can hear it and target where it was launched from as it’s freak rocket powered and that stuff is *LOUD*.
before anyone jumps up and says “see! that’s dumb! any sub fring that would be sunk!” of course the designers have thought of that. Intel suggests that deployment patterns would be to drop one out of a rear-ward facing torpedo tube (not fire), let it use normal guidance techniques to lock onto a target, and only then kick in the rocket drive on final approach. Meanwhile the sub that fired them would somewhere else.
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5th February 2012 at 8:46 pm
Yojimbo says:
If only we could move everyone out of Israel and Palestine, and then use nuclear weapons to turn all the “holy” land and “holy” sites around Israel and Palestine to uninhabitable glass wastelands without polluting the rest of the world with fallout….
Then there would be nothing for them to fight over. No temples, holy sites, no wailing walls.
The predisposition towards Religion is a genetic defect in the human mind.
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5th February 2012 at 8:52 pm
Kill Bill says:
Its called super cavitation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercavitation
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5th February 2012 at 9:18 pm
Anonymous says:
If it’s US foreign policy that radical Muslims are the enemy of the US and Isreal why then has the Obama Adminstration:
-Helped overthrow Egyptian Mubarek who was a mainstream Muslim and backed the Muslim Brotherhood who are radicals?
- Why do White House visitor logs show more visits from Muslim Brotherhood than nearly any other org?
-If Obama Admin has publicly dissed Israel and undermined the country’s soverignty repeatedly during his term – why are we backing them in a war against Iran?
None of this makes sense. Think about it.
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5th February 2012 at 9:18 pm
Administrator says:
Bullshit about the leaders of Iran wanting their own destruction. They could provoke such an outcome today without nukes. They have missiles that can reach Israel today. They could launch them now and meet Allah in a few hours.
They aren’t doing it because the storyline is complete and utter bullshit.
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5th February 2012 at 10:02 pm
Administrator says:
HZK
China and Russia loved their people?
Is that why they killed millions of their own people?
Do the Iranian leaders hate their people?
Ridiculous bullshit arguments about Iran wanting to go out in a blaze of glory. Complete nonsense.
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5th February 2012 at 10:04 pm
Kill Bill says:
This battle is not about religion although it will be used to promote agendas.
This is economic.
http://www.emotionreports.com/downloads/pdfs/ESiNS.pdf
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5th February 2012 at 10:14 pm
Persnickety says:
“If Iran is going to hit peak oil in 2012, as MA suggests, then why bother with war with Iran?”
Because post-peak they will still be one of the top producers in the world for quite a long time, and they are peaking later than many, many, many other big producers. Look up Mexico’s Cantarell depletion curve if you want to be up all night.
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5th February 2012 at 10:21 pm
Kill Bill says:
Because post-peak they will still be one of the top producers in the world for quite a long time, ~PS
I think thats true. However the oil they produce is high in sulfur content [sour crude] and more expensive to refine.
Look up Mexico’s Cantarell depletion curve if you want to be up all night. ~PS
Been there and done that =)
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5th February 2012 at 10:37 pm
IndenturedServant says:
Admin said: “Ridiculous bullshit arguments about Iran wanting to go out in a blaze of glory. Complete nonsense.”
And you know this because…………?
I_S
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5th February 2012 at 4:07 am
flash says:
With the three wize-uns ‘ advising our Commander in Chief , WTF could possible go wrong?
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5th February 2012 at 6:27 am
flash says:
muck sez-”The major problem (other than religious bull shit that always -ALWAYS – kills people off) is the the very real chance of someone making a mistake or miscalculates how hard to push or we get a nut-job here or there that wants to be immortally remembered and lights a match to it. ”
Really muck? Tell US which has killed more people, science or religion?
http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE1.HTM
Yojimbo says- The predisposition towards Religion is a genetic defect in the human mind.
Why don’t you and jimbo get a room.You two could spend some quality time practicing your ass -hair braiding skills while dissing those hateful Jesus freaks.
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5th February 2012 at 6:48 am
flash says:
MUCK-No impressed with either the video or the article.
Maybe you would be impressed if you had your ass perched atop a crows nest on one of these floating death traps and saw the instant flash of your last hoorah.That’s science, baby…nothing to do with religion.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7147.htm
Many years ago, Soviet planners gave up trying to match the US Navy ship for ship, gun for gun, and dollar for dollar. The Soviets simply could not compete with the high levels of US spending required to build up and maintain a huge naval armada. They shrewdly adopted an alternative approach based on strategic defense. They searched for weaknesses, and sought relatively inexpensive ways to exploit those weaknesses. The Soviets succeeded: by developing several supersonic anti-ship missiles, one of which, the SS-N-22 Sunburn, has been called “the most lethal missile in the world today…
The Sunburn can deliver a 200-kiloton nuclear payload, or: a 750-pound conventional warhead, within a range of 100 miles, more than twice the range of the Exocet. The Sunburn combines a Mach 2.1 speed (two times the speed of sound) with a flight pattern that hugs the deck and includes “violent end maneuvers” to elude enemy defenses. The missile was specifically designed to defeat the US Aegis radar defense system. Should a US Navy Phalanx point defense somehow manage to detect an incoming Sunburn missile, the system has only seconds to calculate a fire solution –– not enough time to take out the intruding missile. The US Phalanx defense employs a six-barreled gun that fires 3,000 depleted-uranium rounds a minute, but the gun must have precise coordinates to destroy an intruder “just in time.”
http://www.dcbureau.org/201103053729/national-security-news-service/the-secret-history-part-i-the-c-802-cruise-missile-iran%E2%80%99s-threat-in-the-persian-gulf.html
I followed Soghanalian and Ping out, raced to my hotel the Mermoz, and called a U.S. weapons expert who was a longtime source. I asked him, “How many C-802s does the U.S. think Iran has?” The source called back a few minutes later with the answer: “Less than a dozen.” I told him that the Chinese had told Soghanalian, in my presence, that China had shipped key parts for just under 200 missiles. There was silence at the other end of the phone. My source asked: “Can you leave Paris for Washington?” I said that I had another few days of work.
Late that night I received a call from the front desk with a message to meet Veronique at a café around the corner from the Israeli Embassy in Paris. Over a drink, she handed me Ping’s file and said: “The French are involved in this missile deal. You need to be very careful. They are China’s hidden partner.”
My Pentagon weapons-expert source had suggested that I have no more conversations about this matter on French telephones. The source said the missiles represented a very serious situation that was “previously unknown to us.”
I did not open the envelope from Veronique until I was on the plane for Washington. It was the C-802 file and more. The file contained the information I needed to uncover a vortex of lies going back to the Reagan/Bush era.
In Washington, I set up a place for a secure meeting with my Pentagon source and began calling several longtime CIA sources. All the sources had spent years on Persian and Middle Eastern issues and were shaken by what I had learned. I asked one CIA official what the United States knew about the C-802. The answer was not reassuring: “The U.S. doesn’t have one. We don’t know how to defend [against] it.”
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5th February 2012 at 7:07 am
Administrator says:
Because they can go out in a blaze of glory today if they choose. They have not done so, because they don’t want to go out in a blaze of glory. Pretty simple. They act in their own self interest. Shocking!!!!
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5th February 2012 at 7:26 am
is why says:
Even now I see the smoking ruins of Imperial Hubris, going down to the watery deep, not unlike our economy, both destroyed with malice aforethought by a select few of wealthy oligarchs, all for their own obscene enrichment. The peasants are forever fodder for cannon, while the lords benefit from the outcome, drinking from their private wine cellars and laughing as they triumph once again….
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5th February 2012 at 7:51 am
Hope@ZeroKelvin says:
@Admin:
I did not say that the Chinese and the Russion leaders loved their people. By their record, they viewed their people as cannon fodder, tax slaves and politically expendable. Sorta like where our fed.gov is taking us…
The leaders love THEMSELVES and the system upon which they feed. That is why MAD worked.
The US has (??had) the ability to drop a nuke anywhere in the world with pinpoint accuracy and the Chinese/Russian leadership know this. They do not wish that to happen because they are very fond of being at the very top of the food chain.
The Iranian leadership are bat shit crazy and insane. While I don’t honestly believe they would nuke Israel or America, because we WOULD respond, I think, although with Obambi in the WH, who the fuck knows. I do believe that they are being used by the Chinese/Russians as proxies to destroy the West however.
All the Iranians have to do is get a nuke on one of their missles and explode it at 25 miles above the East Coast and everything east of the Mississippi goes dark. Besides the absolute chaos which will ensue in the cities, if past history is any guide as to what happens when the power goes out for any length of time, you would have a complete crash of the world’s financial system.
The resulting strain on the rest of the US power grid, which operates at 100+% capacity right now, might very well take it down. No food comes to the cities, which have a 3 day supply under normal conditions. The entire medical system will fold up like a paper hat, trust me on that, I was on call the weekend when Tropical Storm Allison put the entire Texas Medical Center under water. The water supply goes down as does the sewage system.
Just spend about 15 seconds thinking about NO electricity in your life.
Within 90 days of such an event, you could very well be looking at the deaths of millions of people. The US leadership structure and military would be decimated and there would be NO response. You gotta have electricity to run a modern military, period.
All the Chinese/Russians have to do, and this is the really diabolical part, is come in to “help us get back on our feet”, which will require thousands of their soldiers and some “technical support staff” and presto, we cease to be a sovereign nation.
All the pieces are in place: The Chinese have millions of surplus men thanks to their one child policy. They have a fleet of shipping ships to transport them. They are facing a stagnating economy and resource limitations. The Russians are still smarting about the loss in Afghanistan, the collapse of their superpower status and still have Putin in charge. They are also the country providing direct material support to Iran. America has put in place a complete doofus moron who hates America and has been actively weakening us on the economic, energy and foreign policy fronts.
Call me crazy, okay, and I hope I am not right, but if I was the Chinese/Russian leadership and wanted to take down America, that is how I would do it.
Back to stroking the white cat on my lap while I relax around the shark tank…….
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5th February 2012 at 9:11 am
flash says:
HZK- All the Chinese/Russians have to do, and this is the really diabolical part, is come in to “help us get back on our feet”, which will require thousands of their soldiers and some “technical support staff” and presto, we cease to be a sovereign nation.
Hell, why not ?We already design their weapons and finance their war machines…..might as well hand them the keys to the fascsit run country as well.
Our government no longer represents we the US.The politico vermin’s # 1 objective is to line their pockets regardless the cost to the Republic and posterity be damned.
http://www.dcbureau.org/201103053729/national-security-news-service/the-secret-history-part-i-the-c-802-cruise-missile-iran%E2%80%99s-threat-in-the-persian-gulf.html/2
I returned to Paris, armed with details of everything the government then knew about the C-802, which was not much. Over the next five days, I would learn that in the early 1980s Sarkis had arranged for Iraq to use the U.S. Army’s supercomputers at Aberdeen, Maryland to redesign its Scud missiles. Sarkis had hired the renowned weapons designer Gerald Bull on behalf of Iraq. Bull, who had long before worked at the Army Research Laboratory prior to stints in prison, had close relations with the bureaucrats in charge of the laboratory. Coincidentally, Aberdeen had done the work on an early Israeli cruise missile called the Sampson. Information from that project, along with other sensitive material, was now in the hands of the Chinese and had gone into the improved C-802.
Soghanalian had fired Bull for not producing after Iraq had paid him millions of dollars. But after Sarkis broke with Saddam in 1988, the Iraqis brought Bull back. Bull worked on the infamous Iraqi “supergun” until he was murdered in Brussels in 1990. Soghanalian said that Bull was not killed by the Israelis, as many suspected, but by the Iraqis who realized Bull had swindled them.
Soghanalian told ABC that Bull had free access to the Army computer lab and had even placed visiting Chinese scientists in the secret laboratory over the years. During the week Thrasher and I spent with Soghanalian, the arms dealer met again with M. Ping. This time Ping had a new enticement for Soghanalian. Ping brought with him plans for a yacht that had been built for the president of China for the ceremony celebrating the handover of Hong Kong. It was bigger than Queen Elizabeth’s yacht,Britannia. Ping explained that the Chinese were offering the yacht to Soghanalian at a “special price” as an inducement to represent its new line of Chinese artillery and cruise missiles.
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5th February 2012 at 1:59 pm
Goldorack says:
flash, thanks for sharing this load of bull-fucking shit
always comforting to see that brainwashing still works
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5th February 2012 at 3:35 pm
flash says:
WTF Goldilicks…Trento’s creds seem to be on the up and up?
Joseph Trento
Joseph Trento has spent more than 35 years as an investigative journalist, working with both print and broadcast outlets and writing extensively. Before joining the National Security News Service in 1991, Trento worked for CNN’s Special Assignment Unit, the Wilmington News Journal, and prominent journalist Jack Anderson. Trento has received six Pulitzer nominations and is the author of five books, including Prelude to Terror, The Secret History of the CIA, Widows, and Prescription for Disaster. Joe currently serves as the editor of DCBureau.org.
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5th February 2012 at 3:45 pm
Goldorack says:
flash, Trento could earn an oscar for a movie on his life in the pope’s closet, and a purple heart for taking Iwo Jima alone with his stick that I would call bullshit on this.
the Israelis needed more cash, so they sold the Lavi to the Chinese, and it gave the J10. facts are known. started here, ended here.
as for providing electronics to Iran, chinese can have what they want from Russians, and sell it to anybody. case closed. no conspiracy nutjob here
technology transfer from France to China?
it happens this way:
France sell weapons to Quatar fuckers
some missiles come out from the storage in Quatar and mysteriously land in a cargo plane flying to China. 2 weeks stop for reverse engineering in China. Quatar fuckers caught naked by French services. first warning: remember Kosovo, Ivory Coast, Lybia…
missiles flying back to their shelves.
case closed.
direct deal in the 80′s ? LOL
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5th February 2012 at 5:02 pm
Anonymous says:
Goldorack- Trento could earn an oscar for a movie on his life in the pope’s closet, and a purple heart for taking Iwo Jima alone with his stick that I would call bullshit on this.
I saw this guys name and link come up on website for dedicated to military hardware -specifically discussing Iran missile tech- frequented by active military and I heard no one label Trenton a charlatan.
Maybe he is. I don’t know, but he seems to know his shit.
France has sold missile tech over the entire globe-(e.g.Argentina Falklands war) as I’m sure we have as well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exocet
That said ,every asshole has his a price and China , Iran et al has the cash pucker one.
If the (low) intelligence fuckers can’t keep Nuclear weapon tech a secret , how would one expect them to safe guard any other military tech?
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5th February 2012 at 5:20 pm