I’ve been pissed off by this story for a few days. I knew exactly what the military and the MSM would do with this story. The game plan is so predictable from the governing elite. The storyline is that this guy was always a bad egg. He was a bad soldier. He was a bad man.
I don’t believe a fucking word of this bullshit. He was married with two kids. People who knew him before he got sent to Iraq said he was a great guy. He was gung ho and loved his country.
The fact is that the U.S. Military, George Bush, Barack Obama and dickheads like John McCain are responsible for this mass murder. They have put men into impossible situations where they can’t tell the enemy from the allies. They don’t have a mission they understand. There is no way to win these wars. They keep recycling these men over and over onto the battlefield. They have destroyed our military force. The mental anguish among the fighting force must be at extreme levels. Our leaders have destroyed the families of thousands of soldiers with their continued deployment in the Middle East to fight wars we never needed to fight.
Why can’t the American people see through the lies and misinformation? Ron Paul is the only person running for office that will end this tragedy and farce. The Boomers brought the Vietnam War to a conclusion with their outrage. Where is their outrage today?
Muck About says:
Well now, we might have to wait a while on this one. Sgt. Robert Bales should probably never have been deployed on that last trip. He’d been through hell already, with a brain injury, loss of part of a foot and other indignities.
He also seems to have been a bit of bad boy prior to said many deployments in that fraud and scandal are dogging him as well as the murder chargers.
The story is not complete yet on Sgt. Bales and I for one would like all the information on the table before throwing rocks or breaking bottles..
You would have thought that the Generals would have learned a few things by our adventure in Vietnam about fighting a people where the bad guys go to sleep with the good guys (and family members) every night and you can’t tell a good on from one that’ll slit your throat. The stress this causes and the opportunity for mistakes run sky high in situations like that.
But Vietnam taught the military nothing and our good guys are paying a terrible price because of it.
MA
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Steve Hogan says:
Why can’t Americans see through the lies? Because they like being lied to. They want to be able to associate themselves with the biggest, bad-ass military machine in world history. If it means brown-skinned people who aren’t a threat to us get mowed down in the tens of thousands, they’re okay with it.
But don’t take away their Social Security check, free pills, subsidized education, and food stamps!
How do I know this? Because they’ve decided that our choice for president is Obama or Romney. That’s all you need to know to determine that Americans are morons.
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21st March 2012 at 11:50 am
db says:
There are multiple witnesses stating that there was a group of soldiers, not just one.
That graphic is priceless – brainwash young males with nothing better to do to KILL KILL KILL and then pretend like everything that takes place is a unique, standalone ‘flip-out’…
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21st March 2012 at 12:03 pm
Maddie's Mom says:
http://emsnews.wordpress.com/
FWIW
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21st March 2012 at 12:22 pm
flash says:
@ MM
I commented on this yesterday. The bastard went from robbing senior citizens of their life saving to robbing Afghanies of the lives.
I’m betting this guy never had a brain injury or was drunk…just another wall street psycho set loose on a unsuspecting world.
He just traded one organized crime syndicate fer another.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/staff-sgt-robert-bales-was-found-liable-in-financial-fraud/2012/03/19/gIQA4Ni2NS_story.html
But Bales’s decision to join the Army also came at a pivotal point in his pre-military career — a career as a stock trader that appears to have ended months after he was accused of engaging in financial fraud while handling the retirement account of an elderly client in Ohio, according to financial records.
An arbitrator later ordered Bales and the owner of the firm that employed him to pay $1.4 million — about half for compensation and half in punitive damages — for taking part in “fraud” and “unauthorized trading,” according to a ruling from the Financial Industry Regulatory Authority, the independent disciplinary board for brokers and brokerage houses.
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21st March 2012 at 12:50 pm
flash says:
LOL….this comment came from the WP article..
BUD of the WEISER • Boston, Massachusetts • 4 hrs ago
His wife says “killing those people was out of his character”???…I guess bilking people out of their life savings is more his style of character!!!
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21st March 2012 at 12:52 pm
Kill Bill says:
“The Boomers brought the Vietnam War to a conclusion with their outrage. Where is their outrage today?”
Im waiting for my echo boomer kid to put down the “smart phone.”
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21st March 2012 at 12:59 pm
Maddie's Mom says:
flash, yeah I was kinda feeling sorry for the guy ’til I read this
sounds like just another pos, assuming this info. is accurate
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21st March 2012 at 1:02 pm
crazyivan says:
“The Boomers brought the Vietnam War to a conclusion with their outrage. Where is their outrage today?”
Good thought Admin.
Seems to me those millys and xboxers need to step up to the plate.
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21st March 2012 at 1:05 pm
Kill Bill says:
Suppot The Troops – Hold The Leaders Responsible.
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21st March 2012 at 1:05 pm
flash says:
Once a dick always a dick…even looks the part.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2117354/Robert-Bales-Wife-U-S-staff-sergeant-accused-Afghanistan-massacre-breaks-silence.html
The U.S. soldier accused of gunning down 16 Afghan civilians, including nine children, was more than $1million in debt and had defrauded a pensioner out of his life savings, it has been claimed.
Federal documents show how Staff Sgt Robert Bales scammed pensioner Gary Liebschner of Carroll, Ohio, of more than $800,000 in a stock scam just before he enlisted in the army.
Financial regulators found in 2003 how Bales ‘engaged in fraud, breach of fiduciary duty, churning, unauthorised trading and unsuitable investments’.
Trickery: Robert Bales (left) reportedly defrauded Gary Liebschner (right) out of $852,000
Liebschner claims the then stock broker, working for Ohio brokerage firm MPI, took his life savings of $852,000 in AT&T stock and reduced its value to nothing through a series of trades.
Alongside his associates, Bales was ordered to pay his victim $1,274,000 in compensatory and punitive damages. But he has not yet done so.
Liebschner told ABC News he recognised ‘smooth talker’ Bales after news reports about the massacre.
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21st March 2012 at 1:06 pm
Kill Bill says:
I get this idea in my head that many investment hustlers have aspergers.
My apologies to sufferers of aspergers that dont wheedle muppets urr uhh people out of their life savings and “rip their face off”
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21st March 2012 at 1:14 pm
Maddie's Mom says:
KB wrote:
“Im waiting for my echo boomer kid to put down the “smart phone.””
Yep. Sometimes I think these “smart phones” will be our undoing. Actually, I think we’re already undone.
My DH says at his workplace, in the break area outdoors where co-workers used to talk to each other, now they just all sit around texting or playing games (or maybe watching porn, hell I don’t know..) on their phones. No more talking amongst themselves.
Maybe this holiday season, I’ll declare our home a phone-free zone. EVERYONE has to leave their cell phone in their car for a few hours while we enjoy some quality time together on Thanksgiving and Christmas. I wonder who’ll stay and who’ll go?
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21st March 2012 at 1:17 pm
Thunderbird says:
Something is telling me the politicians are losing control of the military in Afghanistan. Another Viet Nam playing out and the military in self defense mode eliminating the threat to them. This is going to become a politial football in the elections because the truth is leaking out.
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21st March 2012 at 1:38 pm
Stucky says:
“The storyline is that this guy was always a bad egg. He was a bad soldier. He was a bad man. I don’t believe a fucking word of this bullshit. He was married with two kids. People who knew him before he got sent to Iraq said he was a great guy. He was gung ho and loved his country.” –Admin
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I can only assume you wrote the above before you had a chance to read the two links Flash provided.
It sounds like he is exactly the kink of cocksucker banker/broker/etc we so love to hate — and, rightfully so — around here. I mean, he screwed a retiree out of $800,000! Bad man, bad soldier. Fuck him. He murdered CHILDREN. I can not get aroound that. Let’s stop making excuses about PTSD, the horrors of war, his brain injury or, whatever. Children. Murdered. Cold blood.
The most unfortunate aspect of this despicable crime is that we will never ever know the whole truth. I guess this will be a military trial? Oh, yeah, baby, Let Truth Prevail!! Sarcasm, off. You can bet both you testicles (if you’re a guy) that all kinds of evidence will be suppressed … and even some shit made up.
I am specifically concerned whether or not this was just “one rogue soldier” or, possible — according to some accounts — this was the action of SEVERAL soldiers! My god, what a cluster fuck if the latter was true. But, if true, it will never be made known. This “trial” will be all about politics and damage control. Fuck truth. Bales will be the fall guy … not that he isn’t guilty, but he will be the only one found guilty. Damn shame. In in a few weeks this will be old news and no one will give a shit.
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21st March 2012 at 1:57 pm
Stucky says:
“Something is telling me the politicians are losing control of the military in Afghanistan.” —Tbird
Fresh off the presses this week.
http://militarytimes.com/blogs/battle-rattle/2012/03/19/behind-the-cover-anti-obama-marines/
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21st March 2012 at 2:02 pm
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flash
Seems convenient that the MSM has all this dirt on the guy in a few days. Connect some dots.
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21st March 2012 at 2:05 pm
AWD says:
Lesson learned: Don’t give a bankster wannabe a gun
Afghan Shooter Was Penny-Stock Cold-Caller for Mob-Linked Firm
NEW YORK (TheStreet) — Robert Bales, accused killer of 16 Afghan civilians, at one time had ambitions to become a Wall Street Master of the Universe the old-fashioned way: by ripping off the public, working alongside Mob-linked stockbrokers.
It’s not clear to what extent Bales’ life was influenced by his days as a stockbroker for marginal-to-sleazy brokerages in Florida and Ohio. But it must have been significant, because he spent four years in the armpit of the securities industry.
In recent days, attention has focused on an NASD arbitration award from 2003, which he did not contest, stemming from his days as a stockbroker in the 1990s. It found Bales and other brokers liable for ripping off an elderly Ohio couple, and ordered him and others to pay $1.5 million. That turns out to have been just one episode from Bales’ four-year journey through the bottom-feeding netherworld of the microcap market — the world of boiler rooms, overvalued stocks and systematic investor rip-offs.
Bales worked for five brokerages from 1996 to 2000 — including one firm, the Hamilton-Shea Group, whose undisclosed principals later pleaded guilty to felonies and had Mob ties. Their firm was subsequently expelled from the securities industry. Interestingly, Financial Industry Regulatory Authority records show that three of the firms where Bales worked were interconnected, and linked — through personal or corporate ties — to Hamilton-Shea. That would seem to indicate that Bales may have been part of a “crew” of brokers who moved from place to place during the 1990s. However, that could not be independently confirmed.
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21st March 2012 at 2:05 pm
Stucky says:
Try one more time — cover of Military Times.
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21st March 2012 at 2:06 pm
Administrator says:
crazyivan
Why not the Boomers? They’re still around, aren’t they?
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21st March 2012 at 2:07 pm
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21st March 2012 at 2:07 pm
Stucky says:
Connect what dots, Jim??
It’s pretty damn easy to get shitloads of data about anyone these days. Just a few clicks and a few moments on the Internet is all it takes. Must everything be a conspiracy?
I’m surprised you’re defending this guy. What happened to the days of posting dead Muslim babies? This would be a perfect opportunity.
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21st March 2012 at 2:11 pm
AWD says:
Some interesting comments from Marine/service men to that article post by Stuckenposter:
# Brad Says:
the Oath did say ALL enemies foreign and domestic….
# Keep Honkin I’m Reloading Says:
Thank you Marines, Soldiers and all for having the courage to stand up for this country and her citizens against this Marxist regime… they have long despised those of us who wear or have worn the uniform and sworn the oath.
There’s a far more nefarious reason why Fauxbama has no intention of bringing you home… he knows where you stand, and that you will not stand for this on our soil. He is allowing his adopted “people” open season on you every day, stay safe, come home soon… and kill as many of those backassward muzzies as you can in the meantime.
# Steve Says:
AND the oath specifically states that we follow LAWFUL orders. In this way we do not become the “simple soldier only doing what he is told” no matter how henious the act. (See Germany circa 1933-1945).
# Matty Says:
You are all correct. No Marine or member of the military is obligated to follow unlawful orders. Also the oath that we all swore to “support and defend the CONSTITUTION against all enemies, foreign AND domestic!” We will not follow unlawful orders, especially orders that are counter to the Constitution! Our allegiance is not to the President, nor the person in the office, but the Constitution! Nobama is in for a rude awakening if he tries to use his new Executive order from 12 March 2012 in order to impose ‘order’ in the country! (His potential attempt to impose martial law will be unlawful and he will end up in the Brig!)
# Kachonka Says:
Oath Keepers and 3%ers
http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/
# Gunsup Says:
The above comments are correct. This Usurper in Chief is a disgrace to our nation, our values, and our warriors. I commend my fellow devildogs for standing up to the tyranny that is sitting in the White House! Our loyalty is to the Constitution and to the citizens of our nation, not to any one man, woman, or political party. Semper Fi!
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21st March 2012 at 2:11 pm
flash says:
@admin..
There’s more I’m sure…..I’ve also read he was charged with assualt on a girlfriend (not wife)
and a dunk driving charge involving a hit and run.
This ex stock swindler turned psycho killer was skating in the clear and free right up until his mug turned up on a local news network and the old guy who got bilked out of his life savings alerted the news station that this was the cat who bilked him out of his life savings before mysteriously disappearing.
Acting as a US Army sniper also required a top security clearance, which tells you how well the Army conducts background checks.
I was in, and can tell you without a shadow of a doubt that the military does not make killers of men. Killers are natural borne. I’ve known a few in my day.
There are studies commissioned by the US military that clearly state that only 5 percent of soldiers will pull the trigger on another human, even when faced with certain death.
The fact that Bales volunteered to snipe other humans from hiding tells you that he enjoyed killing, therefore was already endowed with the psychopath gene
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21st March 2012 at 2:31 pm
Stucky says:
Jim alternates from bashing Boomers ……. to wishing they would dust off their 70′s anti-war posters and come to the rescue. Funny.
When Boomers protest
When Gex-Xers protest
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21st March 2012 at 2:32 pm
Stucky says:
Hypocrisy. Double standard.
A soldier kills 14 innocent people and he faces the death penalty.
A pilot drops bombs and kills 14 innocent people and it’s called collateral damage.
Weird.
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21st March 2012 at 2:38 pm
flash says:
@Stucky
good point.
While only 5 percent of soldiers are willing to pull the trigger on a rifle, 100 percent of pilots and drone jockey have absolutely no qualms about killing anyone. Pilots especially love targeting wedding parties..
OOPS…so solly..
http://www.asia-pacific-action.org/node/215
The ‘good war’, Obama? US bombs another wedding party, kills another 60 civilians in Afghanistan
23 children, 10 women,4 men killed, 35 injured
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21st March 2012 at 2:46 pm
flash says:
Why doesn’t OSHA do more to regulate workplace safety in the military?
They used to ride my ass good and I never killed anyone.
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21st March 2012 at 2:49 pm
Administrator says:
flash
Are you telling me that the US Military accepts criminals into its ranks who have stolen millions from people?
Amazing how much dirt was dug up on this guy in a couple days.
That doesn’t make you wonder?
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21st March 2012 at 3:00 pm
Administrator says:
The fucking Boomers like to deny responsibility for our current economic disaster.
Why the fuck can’t they stand up and be counted like they were in 1970?
Are they too fucking fat to stand up?
Hot debate. What do you think?
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21st March 2012 at 3:02 pm
Administrator says:
Stuck
I’m not defending the killer of innocent women and children.
The fucking military didn’t seem to have a problem with him during his 4 tours of duty in Iraq. Didn’t the military know about his past criminal history?
Use your own fucking logic, if it is so easy to dig up dirt on people.
The fucking military has pushed its soldiers past the breaking point and some of them are breaking.
Open your fucking eyes.
Hot debate. What do you think?
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21st March 2012 at 3:06 pm
Obama's hemorrhoids says:
Admin:
“fucking boomers…Are they too fucking fat to stand up?
They protest against abusing animals and for weight acceptance now, things that really matter. Completely pussified.
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21st March 2012 at 3:16 pm
Anonymous says:
admin-Are you telling me that the US Military accepts criminals into its ranks who have stolen millions from people?
Sure.I don’t know about these days, but when I was in they took entire gangs off the streets….judge would say it’s the army or the grey bar motel…guess which the hoodlums chose.
I thought I was a tough-street savvy kid ’till I joined up and had the eye popping experience of bunking with convicted gangsters who leisurely engaged in international narcotics trade via the battalion mailroom and it was nothing to know some or know of some soldier getting whacked.
Hell..my first platoon Sargent got whacked in the parking lot during morning muster.
It was no damn place for pussies,I can tell you that.
Gambling , prostitution and drugs was 24/7 …no shit.
The military is no place for a Christian to practice their faith…of this you can be sure.
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21st March 2012 at 3:21 pm
flash says:
anon was I.
I don’t really wonder about much anymore…..the shit has been fucked up and bullshit longer than I can remember and I fully expect no improvement….not in my lifetime anyways.
Hot debate. What do you think?
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21st March 2012 at 3:24 pm
flash says:
@ Obama’s hemorrhoids
LOL….seems the older I get the more fat people I know.
America has become a cannibals wet dream.
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21st March 2012 at 3:26 pm
Administrator says:
But flash, I’m confused.
The TV commercials tell me our military is the few and the proud. There are American eagles and our flag and really patriotic music.
Are you telling me the military is nothing but murdering scumbags?
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21st March 2012 at 3:26 pm
Colma Rising says:
Admin:
Flash is a boomer shitbag, like Kill Bill who types on a computer about his kids’ smartphones.
This is a symptom of war. A symptom reflecting society.
What do you expect from a volunteer army who presses crims into service because their boomer leaders squat their chonies when the Texas Tea, and the votes it gets when cheap, was threatened?
Hot debate. What do you think?
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21st March 2012 at 3:38 pm
ecliptix543 says:
CR – What in the fuck is a chonie? Are you off your mexi-meds again? Couple of quick bumps, you’ll be back to normal and start speaking ENGLISH, mf’r…
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21st March 2012 at 4:04 pm
Stucky says:
“Use your own fucking logic, if it is so easy to dig up dirt on people. ” —– Admin
Yes, that’s true. BUT ………..
We are NOT talking about some personal accusation by a 3rd party that can’t be verified. For example, “Sgt. Bales had sex with my underaged son.”. Nossir.
The accusations against Sgt Bales are a matter of PUBLIC RECORD. That is exactly why it is “so easy to dig up dirt” His record is out there, baby, flapping in the wind for all to see.
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Now …. sir …. it took me exactly 2 minutes to find the official court documents. If you have a PACER account you can read the charges directly.
Here is the link;
http://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/F2/813/1289/239989/
That should clear up any doubt whether or not this stock trading fraud charge is legit. It is.
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21st March 2012 at 4:24 pm
Stucky says:
“The fucking military has pushed its soldiers past the breaking point and some of them are breaking. Open your fucking eyes.”
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It appears you are pissed off at me. IF so, I don’t know why.
I have NEVER been a fan of military brass …. even when I myself was in the USAF. And I sure as fuck do not support them today.
Are they responsible for this crime? Yes. But not directly. They didn’t pull the trigger. But I fully agree that they are “accessories to the crime” … or whatever the legal jargon is.
But Sgt Bales is DIRECTLY responsible. He pulled the trigger. Admirably, you are a huge believer in personal responsibility in everything you write about. Why should this time be different?
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21st March 2012 at 4:31 pm
Administrator says:
Stuck
You didn’t answer my question.
Why would the US military allow such a criminal within its ranks?
Evidently the US military didn’t have a problem with his past when he was following orders and serving 4 tours of duty, getting blown up and being stationed at an outpost in Afghanistan.
If they didn’t have a problem with his fraud, why should I have a problem with it. What does that have to do with the slaughter of 14 innocent people?
Wall Street dickheads defraud muppets every day. Corzine stole $1.2 billion. I guess our military would welcome him with open arms.
The back story being promulgated by the MSM is supposed to relieve the Military and its leadership from any responsibility in turning this guy into a mass murderer.
Your contention appears to be that because he was a scam artist, he was destined to murder 14 people.
Open your eyes. The military created a mass murderer.
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21st March 2012 at 4:34 pm
Administrator says:
Stuck
I’m a believer in personal responsibility.
You honestly believe this guy didn’t snap because of 4 tours of duty, a traumatic head injury, and having his foot blown off?
I’m a believer that the US military has destroyed thousands of men by putting them in circumstances that would drive any man crazy.
Every person has a breaking point.
This guy was a financial scumbag. I could spit on Wall Street and hit 10 guys that fit that description. Are they about to slaughter people?
NO.
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21st March 2012 at 4:39 pm
Stucky says:
Well, Jim, you didn’t ask ME the question. You asked flash. He should answer it.
We had two disagremments.
The 1st was whether or not the fraud charges were legit or dug up dirt. I put that to rest. (Don”t worry. I won’t ask you to cry “uncle”.)
The second was whether or not the military is directly responsible. I answered that. You ignored my response.
Now you introduce a new argument ….. that scam artist = destined to mass murder. How you came to that deduction is way beyond my understanding. They are not related directly, and I never said it was. The connection … if you want to call it that … is that both actions indicate an individual who is seriously fucked up in the head.
Let me ask you a new question. If the military created a mass murderer …. who would you like to blame for Bales being a scumbag broker fraudster?
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21st March 2012 at 4:46 pm
Stucky says:
“Why would the US military allow such a criminal within its ranks? ”
I don’t know.
A military website says this; “A waiver is required for any applicant who has received a conviction or other adverse disposition for a serious criminal misconduct offense.”
It then provides a list of what is considered “serious criminal misconduct offense”. It includes;
Aggravated assault, assault with dangerous weapon (brigade-level suitability).
Arson (brigade-level suitability).
Attempt to commit a felony.
Breaking and entering.
Bribery.
Burglary (possession of tools), to include auto.
Carjacking.
And that’s only A through C !!! lmao … all of which can be waived!! Fucken A.
Makes sense if you think about. The military kills people and destroys shit ….. one might as well have experience beforehand !
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21st March 2012 at 4:58 pm
Stucky says:
oops
linky
http://usmilitary.about.com/od/armyjoin/a/criminal5.htm
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21st March 2012 at 4:59 pm
flash says:
admin- Are you telling me the military is nothing but murdering scumbags?
I’m telling you that the military is made up of the everyday average Joe and Joan ..not to bright… motivated by ignorance ,envy, lust and addiction…prone to pettiness, easy profit and predatory behavior…. common as …well just look around.
The crazy girl in the vid below is good candidate for the US military…bat shit crazy.
Girl goes crazy in class FAU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qkm3BBbuUQ4
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21st March 2012 at 5:01 pm
flash says:
@Colma Rising ..
How many years did you spend in a combat unit?
Yeah…that’s what I thought?
translate this Junior….FTA
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21st March 2012 at 5:03 pm
Maddie's Mom says:
“This guy was a financial scumbag. I could spit on Wall Street and hit 10 guys that fit that description. Are they about to slaughter people?”
Put ‘em in a uniform and give ‘em a gun and we’ll see.
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21st March 2012 at 5:08 pm
Stucky says:
“You honestly believe this guy didn’t snap because of 4 tours of duty, a traumatic head injury, and having his foot blown off?” —— Admin
No question about it.
He murdered children. In cold blood. While they were sleeping.
A “normal” person doesn’t do this. He is seriously fucked up in the head.
Doesn’t change my opinion that he must be held accountable. If it were up to me I would issue a “lenient” sentence, meaning, no death penalty. Rather, prison, or psych ward, for life.
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21st March 2012 at 5:08 pm
Administrator says:
I never said the fraud charges were false. I said the storyline was that he was a bad egg from the beginning. The storyline is supposed to get the Military off the hook, because he was evil from the get go.
Read the quotes from people who knew him in high school, etc. You’re the research guru.
There are thousands of financial wizards who scam people out of money every day. There were even a few mortgage brokers who scammed people.
Half the people on Wall Street, including the top executives, cheat and steal billions. Are they fucked up in the head? If so, than what does that have to do with murder?
You have concluded that Bales was a scumbag so it isn’t a surprise that he went on a murderous rampage.
I conclude that his past as a sumbag broker fraudster has absolutely nothing to do with what happened in Afghanistan. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.
The US Military pushed this guy past his breaking point and he snapped. Others have been pushed past their breaking point and end up on drugs, divorced, depressed, homeless, and unemployed.
ALL CAUSED BY BUSH, CHENEY, OBAMA, McCAIN and the asshole generals running the show. Do you understand my point yet?
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21st March 2012 at 5:09 pm
Administrator says:
Stuck
I’ve never said he shouldn’t be held accountable. He needs to be locked up somewhere.
But, he was created by the military. They created a murderer.
If this guy had never entered the military he may have ended up in jail for financial fraud.
What odds do you give that he wouldn’t have murdered 14 innocent people if he had never gone into the military?
My guess is that there would have been a 99.999% chance he wouldn’t have become a mass murderer.
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21st March 2012 at 5:14 pm
flash says:
Stucky says:
Well, Jim, you didn’t ask ME the question. You asked flash. He should answer it.
The US military let’s criminal’s in because without the impoverished class willing to choose Camp Bootlick over Camp Greybar there would be no military…that and the recruiters get bonuses for filling their quota .
I don’t believe the military creates murderers.Murderers choose to murder.
The military doesn’t create gang members either , but there the are.
Gangs Increasing in Military, FBI Says
June 30, 2008
McClatchy-Tribune Information Services
According to an FBI published report, “gang-related activity in the U.S. military is increasing and poses a threat to law-enforcement officials and national security.”
The report, released in February 2007, noted that members of nearly every major street gang — including MS-13, Bloods, Crips, 18th Street, Hells Angels and various white supremacist groups — have been identified on both domestic and international military bases.
“It really is not secret that gangs are in the Army,” said Hector Ordonez, 39, a former resident of Victorville who was in the Army from 1989 to 1994. “There were a few guys in my unit from Los Angeles and a couple from Chicago.”
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21st March 2012 at 5:15 pm
Stucky says:
Jim
There is no doubt that communication via the internet is difficult. It is easy and common that a reader focus on a word or phrase and totally misinterpret what the writer meant. And vice versa.
You are correct. You never actually said the charges were false. My bad. So solly.
Yessir. I have concluded that Bales was a scumbag. I don’t care what his friends say, so no need to research. He defrauded an old man of his life savings. That we know. It is HIGHLY unlikely he defrauded hust one person. So, yeah, he’s a scumbag.
Therefore, yessir, I am not surprised that he went on a murderous rampage. The guy has serious character and moral issues. So, why should it be a surprise? But, Jim, I never said the fraud caused the rampage..
Lastly, you said, “The storyline is supposed to get the Military off the hook …. Do you understand my point yet?”
That’s utterly disgusting, getting the military off the hook. Cocksuckers all of them, along with the cast of morins you listed. Let them rot in hell. Yes, I understand your point.
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21st March 2012 at 5:24 pm
llpoh says:
Admin/Stuck – you two fight like little girls. How about stepping it up a notch for us watchers? I haven’t seen one “dirty bastard” or “lying piece of shit” in any of your responses. Pathetic. Draw a little fucking blood or I will have to leap in on one side or the other to show y’all how its done.
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21st March 2012 at 5:27 pm
Stucky says:
Admin
I have more serious issues coming up.
I just found out that the Jets traded a future draft pick for fuckin’ Tim “Jesus is Lord” Tebow.
Jeezus Krist?
You guys still have that Felon Dog Killer in Philly? You guys wanna trade?
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21st March 2012 at 5:30 pm
SSS says:
I didn’t get past the first comment where Mucky noted, “But Vietnam taught the military nothing.”
Oh, really? Who are the National Command Authorities in this country, Muck? Would they be the President and Secretary of Defense? Why, yes, I believe that’s correct.
And where does the military, particularly the Joint Chiefs of Staff, come in vis a vis making a command decision on using military force? An advisory body only. Period. The president makes the decision, and the Secretary of Defense sees that that order is carried out effectively.
Very little is leaked to the public when the President, SecDef, and JCS go behind closed doors on sensitive subjects such as the use of force. Very little. So we rarely ever get any insight on what the Chiefs of Staff may or may not have said to the President and SecDef. All we know is that when the president gives the armed forces the green light, they salute smartly and proceed to go out and do their job as best they can.
Every single senior general officer I ever met during my time in the Air Force, and I met a lot of them, was extremely intelligent and knowledgeable about warfare, past and present. And they were all Vietnam veterans who knew all too well the lessons of Vietnam. None of that matters when the occupant in the White House, backed by Congress, hands you a pig-in-a-poke called Iraq or Afghanistan.
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21st March 2012 at 5:30 pm
Stucky says:
llpoh
LOL !!!
Admin deleted one of my funny connect-the-dot pictures yesterday. He’s a pussy and we all know it … so why bring it up?
Besides, I am, once again, filled with the Holy Spirit today.
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21st March 2012 at 5:33 pm
SSS says:
Oh, one other thing.
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21st March 2012 at 5:36 pm
SSS says:
Knock it off, Stucky.
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21st March 2012 at 5:47 pm
FoxFire says:
“The Boomers brought the Vietnam War to a conclusion with their outrage. Where is their outrage today?”
That one is simple – The Draft. Every soldier, sailer, marine, and flier is a volunteer, conned or coerced, but still a volunteer. It’s easy to ignore the human cost of war when the only people fighting and dying waved their hands in the air and said, “Pick me!”
If the draft starts up again, I expect to see the Boomers, and their kids and grandkids, stand up and shout, especially since there IS a generational memory of the protest-power precedent for “ending” wars.
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21st March 2012 at 6:19 pm
Ron says:
I never liked a mercenary style military.there should first be a declared war than a draft.This would slow down the ability to just start wars without the support of the people.
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21st March 2012 at 6:37 pm
Kill Bill says:
Flash is a boomer shitbag, like Kill Bill who types on a computer about his kids’ smartphones. -Stucky
Unlike a prankster who types shit under many monikers.
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21st March 2012 at 7:41 pm
Thunderbird says:
Thanks Stuck. Don’t pay attention to the sensational news; pay attention to what else is said. When the Secratary of Defense flew in after the event to talk to the troops they had to disarm before going into the meeting. Since when does that happen to the man most important to give protection to in a war zone? And burning the Koran? Isn’t the way to dispose of a defaced or worn out Koran is to either bury it or burn it? Don’t get caught up in lies. My gut feeling is things are coming apart in Afghanistan. I hope we don’t have to leave that place like we left Viet Nam. Even worse; having to go through Pakistan with them pissed off at us. When politicians inexperienced in war run the show what else do you expect of the military when the situation gets hot? And it appears to be hot right now. I sure wish we had a president with military experience right now.
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21st March 2012 at 7:45 pm
flash says:
Speaking of those adept at genocide.There’s rumor of China getting the kill on via military coup.
And dot….dor…dot…fer’ shure.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/mar/21/inside-the-ring-436080940/
The comments included rumors of the downfall of the Shanghai leadership faction and a possible “military coup,” along with reports of gunfire on Beijing’s Changan Street. The reports were quickly removed by Chinese censors shortly after postings and could no longer be accessed by Wednesday.
The unusual postings included reports that military vehicles were sent to control Changan Street, along with plainclothes police officers and metal barriers.
Another posting quoted internal sources as saying senior Communist Party leaders are divided over the ouster of Mr. Bo. The divide was said to pit Prime Minister Wen Jiabao and against party security forces and Minister of Public Security Zhou Yongkang.
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21st March 2012 at 7:45 pm
flash says:
@ KB
Stucky then?…shoulda’ known.
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21st March 2012 at 7:47 pm
Administrator says:
Tebow is better than the dog you already have.
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21st March 2012 at 7:51 pm
Administrator says:
Stuck
I didn’t delete shit.
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21st March 2012 at 7:53 pm
Stucky says:
“Flash is a boomer shitbag, like Kill Bill who types on a computer about his kids’ smartphones. ”
Flash, I did not post that. It was that cur, Colma.
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21st March 2012 at 7:57 pm
llpoh says:
And how is that dog-killer Vick working out for you, Admin? Hire an ignorant, dumb-as-a-rock ex-felon, pay him by wheelbarrow-full of hundred dollar bills, and expect championships. What a laugh.
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21st March 2012 at 7:58 pm
howard in nyc says:
Admin~
tebow sucks.
sadly, however, that fact is 100% compatible with your statement above.
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21st March 2012 at 8:00 pm
llpoh says:
I read where the Bronco’s receivers learned how to run and wave one hand in the air (seriuosly, no joke) so that Tebow would have some chance of seeing them. They called it the “Tebow wave” or some such. I also understand they tried running around with golf flag poles tied to their backs, but that was disallowed.
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21st March 2012 at 8:04 pm
llpoh says:
seriously, I can too spel.
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21st March 2012 at 8:05 pm
Administrator says:
Stuck after learning the news
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21st March 2012 at 8:09 pm
Administrator says:
The Eagles will win the Super Bowl and Vick will be the MVP.
Blow Me.
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21st March 2012 at 8:11 pm
Stucky says:
HaHa!! Pretty funny. More like a gun to my head. Not that I give a shit about any professional sports. Go Hoo-Hoo-Hoosiers!!!
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21st March 2012 at 8:11 pm
Kill Bill says:
Stucky doppelgangs Colma
Surprise
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21st March 2012 at 8:22 pm
Stucky says:
I did NOT dopple Colma. fuckoff before i kick your skinny ass.
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21st March 2012 at 8:25 pm
Kill Bill says:
I did NOT dopple Colma. fuckoff before i kick your skinny ass. -Stucky
People dont trust your moniker anymore stuchenfraud.
No one to blame but yourself.
Fat ass.
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21st March 2012 at 8:27 pm
llpoh says:
Admin has made that offer so many times I expect, even if I were a mind to take him up on it, the wait would be several hours. I looked around and found this. Admin can use it as his Avatar.
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21st March 2012 at 8:29 pm
Thunderbird says:
Can’t handle it; eh. I thought you people had more to offer on the situation. At least Admin seems to be on.
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21st March 2012 at 8:58 pm
mary malone says:
I think there’s something else to consider here.
Bales’ wife published a blog where she openly complained her hubby was bitter about not being promoted and they were facing foreclosure.
What if Bales was pushed to commit these dispicble crimes?
Obama and his pupetmasters despise the military. They are nothing more than a.tool for destabili-ng countries rich in oil and other natual resources. Obama is also angling to unionize the military and blend US troops into UN structure.
Back to Bales – what if he was set up or pushed- which would give Obama cover to withdraw from the Good War? What if they want to smear the military as pure psychos? They know they’re losing the military support. Go check out the posts on military message boards – most enlisted despise Obama and openly talk about treason.
Iknow this sounds conspiracy theory nutjob – but something is not right with this story. Obama and his handlers are diobolicle. Think about the timing of Podesta’s visit, disarming Marines, cutback on military benefits,and this horrific crime are all clustered within the same window of opportunity.
I don’t believe the story they’re peddling…there’s lots more here.
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21st March 2012 at 10:20 pm
mary malone says:
Oops!
Pardon the misspellings – Mr Malone confiscated my laptop with spellcheck. He’s practicing for his Friday night Fantasy Baseball draft.
And I’m all thumbs on the Blackberry.
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21st March 2012 at 10:40 pm
Novista says:
Ron
Really? The only cunts that ever needed a draft were Lincoln, Wilson, and FDR.
Whatever happened to the idea that if a nation is worth fighting for, no one needs to be forced?
Stucky
I admire your naivete. Sure you did some web crawling, after the fact, and finds ‘the evidence’. You probably forgot about how the Pentagon was producing fake news stories for local TV stations for months somewhere in the Dubya era. I learned decades ago that primary sources might be trusted and the further away you get, the increase in error or downright intent may be there.
What happens if the story of multiple shooters turns out to be true?
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21st March 2012 at 10:40 pm
llpoh says:
Novista – I am reasonably sure they weren’t the only bastards that used the draft.
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21st March 2012 at 10:55 pm
Stucky says:
OK, sure. EVERYTHING is fake. The trial was faked. The documents were faked. The names of the Judge and prosecutor is faked. Hell, even that old fucking geezer who claims he lost $800k, well he’s faking too. Yup, sounds reasonable. Got any good conspiracy theories?
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21st March 2012 at 12:07 am
Reverse Engineer says:
“A soldier kills 14 innocent people and he faces the death penalty.
A pilot drops bombs and kills 14 innocent people and it’s called collateral damage.”-Stuck
Pilots don’t “Murder”. They are highly trained specialists who do “Surgery”. The Top Guns are well known for their “Surgical Strikes” with “Pinpoint Accuracy” utilizing “Smart Bombs.
“Collateral Damage” is the result of Stupid Women and Children getting in the way of the Smart Bombs.
RE
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21st March 2012 at 12:28 am
Administrator says:
Novista
Remember the MSM storyline of Iraqi soldiers killing Kuwaiti babies in their incubators?
Completely made up.
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21st March 2012 at 7:42 am
flash says:
@admin …history repeats….just like we had to stop those baby bayoneting Huns in the war to end all wars.. .
We now chart a new national course. In terms of autocracy we declare our intention to bestride the world with democracy. Our fixed determination is to thrust democracy with loving bayonets down the throats of unwilling peoples.
Let us look at the company we will keep in performing this benevolent function. We will be marching side by side with the King of Serbia; the King of Italy is our boon companion; the King of Belgium is there; so also the King of Roumania; the Emperor of India and the King of England, our stalwart brother; not to mention the King of Montenegro and various other principalities and rulers, as well as chaotic Russia – only France is a Republic – and last but not least we are to be brothers in blood with our dear friend the Emperor of Japan. And this our Chief Executive proposes as our “league of honor”. Congressman Ernest Lundeen
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21st March 2012 at 8:48 am
flash says:
And the Huns not only bayoneted babies, but baby angels as well, which is why the Central Powers had to blockade Germany and starve hundreds of thousand of civilians-including babies- to death .
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21st March 2012 at 8:51 am
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21st March 2012 at 8:52 am
flash says:
OK the link then..
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRBvlL–7tr06mqwWKUfMH3yWhv2wSxgRUm1ZEbNZwd0huw3ng1Ew
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21st March 2012 at 8:55 am
Stucky says:
Novista
Sorry about my sarcasm. It was late when I posted in, I was grumpy, and I didn’t like being called “naive”.
I still think those court documents are genuine.
But what the fuck do I REALLY know? It truly is difficult to believe anyone about anything, The whole fucking world is one big lie filled with liars. I’m sick of this shit.
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21st March 2012 at 9:10 am
Cynical30 says:
I remember when I was a buck private, just finishing my training and getting to my duty station. My unit required a base security clearance of secret. When I met my NCOIC he told me,
“We’re going to have you helping out in the COMSEC vault, so you need to get processed for a top secret clearance.”
I said, “Ummmm sergeant, I don’t know if you’ve glanced through my files or anything, but before I came in the army I was charged with a felony and a misdemeanor. I didn’t go to trial, but I think that they’ll show up on the background check.”
He replied, “Well as long as you’re honest and forthcoming about it you’ll be fine. I did 6 year for armed robbery and I’m your boss with a top secret clearance.”
Me, “O….k……”
Yeah if you disclose everything, odds are you’ll still have a clearance. You only get disqualified if you try to hide anything from what I understand. Odds are if the question is “How did they dig this up on him so fast?” it’s because the military already has it all on file, and given the fact that I was in the same unit as Pat Tillman, let’s not kid ourselves by thinking that military brass all the way up to the Pentagon and beyond will circle the wagons and try to control the information flow.
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21st March 2012 at 9:51 am