Interesting discussion from Bruce Krasting and his contact. The worse our economy gets, the more likely that Obama pushes forth with a foreign conflict to distract the ignorant masses. There is also the possibility that any single player in this game of international chess does something stupid. And then all hell breaks loose. Timing is everything. The Iranians are being squeezed by sanctions. Will they lash out when desperation sets in? What would happen next? Nothing good, for sure.
Words of War
Submitted by Bruce Krastingon 07/17/2012 14:42 -0400
I had an interesting conversation with a fellow who lives in Europe and has been connected to the spook world in the past. (See this for prior discussions with him.) It went like this:
Paris
Have you been watching the events in Syria?
BK
Not really. I’m not sure what, if any, are the implications of this is.
Paris
You should. Things are moving faster and faster. For example, have you seen the level of fighting in the streets of Damascus the past few days?
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BK
No. It seems there is fighting every day.
Paris
There is now heavy fighting in the capital of Damascus. Clearly, the opposition has grown substantially for this to happen. It also means that the fighters are being armed. They would not take on a battle in the capital unless they were well armed.
BK
Interesting. Where are they getting these arms?
Paris
The same place that the Libyans got theirs, the Qataris and the Saudis.
BK
Ah! How do the Saudis and Qataris get arms into Syria?
Paris
Through Turkey, of course. You don’t think those Turkish jets got shot down by accident do you? This was the excuse for Erdogon (Turkish President) to get involved. Now he is.
BK
Why would Erdogon want to get involved in the Syrian mess?
Paris
He sees himself as a guardian of the Sunni. What we are witnessing is the re-emergence of the Ottoman Empire. What is happening is that Syria is in a civil war, but behind this is a religious war. Sunni versus Shia. The fighting today is in the streets of Syria, but in the end, this is a war between the Saudis and the Iranians.
BK Where’s this headed?
Paris
At this point, the USA is sharing any intelligence it has with all “friendly” interested parties, including the Turks, the Israelis, the Qataris and the Saudis. Given that all of these countries are also “leakers” of info, it is a safe bet that the Russians have the same info and are passing it along to the Iranians. It’s an equally safe bet the Iranians are very angry at this. In particular, they are pissed at the Qataris. And that gets us right back to the Straits of Hormuz.
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BK
Are you saying Iran might attack Qatar?
Paris
No, I wouldn’t think so. That would be suicide. The Americans have two aircraft carriers and a full fleet of other ships available to crush any aggression by Iran. But that is the point, all Iran needs do is threaten Qatar, and the price of crude shoots up. With it, would go insurance charges for the ships that ply those waters. A few well-placed mines would do the trick.
BK
Do you think it will play out like that?
Paris
The Iranians truly hate the Saudis, the Saudis hate the Iranians just as much. Today there is a new excuse to hate each other, Syria.
As to the odds, who knows? But I think that the odds are greater for something to happen to escalate what we are seeing today, versus a return to regional stability.
BK
Timing?
Paris
Impossible to say. Keep in mind that Obama and Hilary Clinton have effectively put Israel on a leash as far as Iran’s nukes are concerned until after the American election. The Iranians know this, and they understand that November is not so far away. The US does not have the Israelis tied up regarding matters in Syria.
I don’t see how “they” can put a lid on all of this. There are too many moving parts. Do the Iranians have an interest in stirring up a hornet’s nest before November? Sure they do. It could be a matter of weeks.
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Qatar produces (only) 1.3m barrels of crude a day. However, they are the largest producer of liquified natural gas (LNG) in the world. .
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flash says:
Sounds ’bout right.
No truer words ever spoken.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwM5TeZiLHU
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18th July 2012 at 12:13 pm
Administrator says:
Did someone just do something stupid?
CHICAGO (MarketWatch) — A bus carrying Israeli visitors at a resort town in Bulgaria exploded Wednesday, killing at least three, the Associated Press reports. Although Bulgarian police would only say that the vehicle caught fire in Burgas, a city on the Black Sea, witnesses told an Israeli television station that someone climbed aboard the bus and an explosion followed. The bus was carrying Israeli youth, the wire service noted.
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18th July 2012 at 12:33 pm
Ron says:
I dont know if Israel is on a leash,Iran views this from a religous standpoint,i dont know what well deter them. I remember reading about Iran having a ship killer torpedo?they can launch from the shore.I think Obama wants this war for many reasons.I think by the end of the summer.
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18th July 2012 at 12:38 pm
flash says:
More stupid ..
Bomb kills Syrian ministers at heart of Assad rule
y NBC News’ Ayman Mohyeldin and wire services
Updated at 11:40 a.m. ET: Syria’s defense minister and President Bashar Assad’s brother-in-law were killed in a Damascus bomb attack on Wednesday, state television reported, the most serious blow to Assad’s high command in the country’s 16-month-old rebellion.
The bomber — said by a Reuters security source to be a bodyguard assigned to Assad’s inner circle — struck during a meeting attended by ministers and senior security officials in the Syrian capital as battles raged within sight of the presidential palace.
SANA via Reuters, file
Syrian Defence Minister Dawoud Rajha was the country’s most senior Christian government official.
Defense Minister Dawoud Rajha, 65, a former army general, was the country’s most senior Christian government official. Assad appointed him to the post last year.
Within hours, Syrian State TV announced that Brig. Gen. Fahed Jassim el Friej would replace Rajha.
Assad’s brother-in-law Assef Shawkat — widely seen as a member of the president’s inner circle — was also reportedly killed in the attack.
http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/07/18/12806756-bomb-kills-syrian-ministers-at-heart-of-assad-rule?lite&__utma=14933801.319587380.1342629119.1342629119.1342629119.1&__utmb=14933801.1.10.1342629119&__utmc=14933801&__utmx=-&__utmz=14933801.1342629119.1.1.utmcsr=%28direct%29|utmccn=%28direct%29|utmcmd=%28none%29&__utmv=14933801.|8=Earned%20By=msnbc|cover=1^12=Landing%20Content=Mixed=1^13=Landing%20Hostname=www.nbcnews.com=1^30=Visit%20Type%20to%20Content=Earned%20to%20Mixed=1&__utmk=174693666
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18th July 2012 at 12:48 pm
flash says:
WARNING!! If you must pleasure cruise or fish , don’t do it in the Persian Gulf.
The US Navy is set on hair trigger.
Boating around in the P Gulf is becoming almost as dangerous as attending an open air wedding in Pakistan.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/16/world/meast/persian-gulf-shooting/?hpt=hp_t1
U.S. Navy ship fires at small boat in Persian Gulf
By Barbara Starr, CNN Pentagon Correspondent
Washington (CNN) — A U.S. military supply ship fired at a small boat in the Persian Gulf on Monday after it came too close, killing one person onboard and wounding three, Defense Department officials said.
The USNS Rappahannock, a fuel resupply ship, fired on what two U.S. officials called a “small, white pleasure craft” 10 miles (16 kilometers) from the Dubai port of Jebel Ali.
The casualties were Indian fishermen, according to the United Arab Emirates’ news agency WAM.
U.S. officials expressed their condolences and said the incident is under investigation.
The small boat appeared to be headed for that port, the Defense Department officials said, adding that their information was preliminary. The U.S. ship verbally warned the smaller boat when it was 1,200 yards (1,100 meters) away and fired at least one warning shot before the decision was made to fire shots to disable the boat, the officials said.
“In accordance with Navy force protection procedures, the sailors on the USNS Rappahannock … used a series of nonlethal, preplanned responses to warn the vessel before resorting to lethal force,” the Navy said in a statement.
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18th July 2012 at 12:53 pm
Administrator says:
BULGARIAN BLACK SWAN?
Netanyahu Accuses Iran Of Being Behind Bulgarian Bus Explosion, Promises “Strong Response”
Submitted by Tyler Durden on 07/18/2012 13:20 -0400
The number of casualties in the Bulgarian bus explosion (reported earlier) is not even known yet, but Israel already knows just who is behind it:
•ISRAELI PRIME MINISTER SAYS SIGNS THAT IRAN BEHIND BURGAS BOMBING -RTRS
•Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu: “Iran is responsible for the terror attack in Bulgaria, we will have a strong response against Iranian terror.” – Haaretz
Elsewhere:
•CARNEY SAYS OBAMA BRIEFED ON BULGARIA BLAST THAT HIT ISRAELIS
•CARNEY SAYS US NOT IN POSITION TO SAY WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE BUS ATTACK
And here we were wondering why crude spiked above $90 for the first time in months earlier today.
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18th July 2012 at 2:16 pm
DaveL says:
If Mitt Romney would just release his taxes, there will be peace throughout the world.
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18th July 2012 at 2:51 pm
ThePessimisticChemist says:
It reads like a Tom Clancy novel.
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18th July 2012 at 4:13 pm
Zarathustra says:
Netanyahu is pure evil.
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18th July 2012 at 6:14 pm
llpoh says:
Zara again shows himself to be an idiot re the Jews and middle east. Jews get killed by bomb. Isreali pime minister decries the act and names (in his opinion) likely perpetrators. Zara claims Israeli prime minister is pure evil.
What a load of shit.
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18th July 2012 at 6:58 pm
Zarathustra says:
Llpoh, it’s far more likely that Israel blew up it’s own bus than for Iran to have done it. Think “who benefits.” Israel is wonderful as painting itself as the perennial victim when in fact it is the number 2 aggressor nation in the world.
Remember the Liberty. Remember that they did it to blame it on Egypt and that required murdering all hands, through manners such as dropping napalm on the superstructure and firing on those brave sailors who were trying to put out the fires. Remember that this criminal act was only stopped because they discovered that they were being observed by a Soviet warship.
Netanyahu on 9/11, “It is good for Israel.”
Fuck Israel. Fuck anyone who supports its’ criminal regime.
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18th July 2012 at 7:30 pm
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18th July 2012 at 7:36 pm
llpoh says:
Zara – I knew that would be your position. Far more likely? Nice proof you got there. Horeshit of the highest order. I trust Netanyahu (who I generally despise) more than I trust your opinion on it.
Was 9/11 good for Israel? Maybe. Pretty impolitic to say so, but evil? Not really. The reasons behind the Liberty issue have not, to my knowledge, ever been 100% established. There are 3 basic arguments I have seen, 1) it was an accident, 2) it was intentional, and 3) it was warranted in Israel’s national interest. Whatever.
Countries commit atrocities all the time – and the US is much higher up the list than is Israel – for the same three reasons. How many innocents did it kill attacking Iraq – which had no nuclear capabilities whatsoever? Was it accidental? Intentional? In the US national interest? Whatever – it was wrong for whatever reason. How many have died in Afganistan? In Pakistan? etc etc etc.
You are seriously a Jew-hater with no balanced view whatsoever.
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18th July 2012 at 7:47 pm
llpoh says:
Zara – your facts are not facts at all – just supposition. Pwerhaps they have some truth to them, but they are certainly not facts, even though you proclaim them to be. There is total uncertainty about the Liberty incident. Certainly Israel covered up a lot of things. But the truth isn’t fully known, despite your proclaimations to see and know all.
Hot debate. What do you think?
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18th July 2012 at 7:49 pm
Muck About says:
When you look at the Middle East, all you see is religious evil. The Jews are not going into concentration camps anymore. Been there, done that and lost a few million people by meekly allowing themselves to be led to the trenches and ovens. No going to happen again.
Israel may indeed someday go down but there will a huge number of glassy craters scattered around the ME by the time it happens.
Muslims and Islamists are all camel turd eating dogma ridden assholes. They can’t even get along with each other with the Sunni’s killing off Shiites and vice versa. “My version of Islam is the only right version and if you don’t follow it, I’ll blow you up!”, this from BOTH sides. Surely that ideological conflict will end well, don’t you think? Further, both Muslim schisms suppress 50% of their populations, which, in turn, eliminates any gentle, kind or smart influences from the female half of both Muslim branches.
Any civilization (or religion) that suppresses half of the population (the better half, in my opinion) are total crap-head idiots in my opinion and waste half their talents, negotiating ability and brains in the process. They’ll never amount to a hill of moldy beans and can only dominate through ignorance, force of arms and suppression.
Considering that 18 of the 19 terrorists on 9/11 were Saudi Arabian Sunni’s, instead of Iraq, we should have bombed Riyadh to splinters, invaded Saudi and shot every stinking Sunni madrassa teacher in the country.
MA
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18th July 2012 at 8:22 pm
Zarathustra says:
Llpoh, I’m shocked, shocked that you would whip out your official AIPAC endorsed anti-semite card. The reason? It’s all you have. No facts, just accusations. I suppose you would also deny that Congress is Israeli-occupied territory…
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18th July 2012 at 8:25 pm
Zarathustra says:
Oh, and as for the Liberty, listen to the survivors:
http://www.gtr5.com/
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18th July 2012 at 8:30 pm
Cynical30 says:
Ummm… didn’t Israel assassinate a bunch of Iranian scientists? Violence begets.
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18th July 2012 at 8:38 pm
Zarathustra says:
Cynical, using Llpoh logic, there is no proof of that.
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18th July 2012 at 8:43 pm
Persnickety says:
I have no idea who blew up that bus in Bulgaria, but it only takes 30 seconds to learn why Netanyahu is pure evil. One of my Jewish friends said as much back in 2000, fresh from a year in Israel. Netanyahu is to Israel much like Donald Rumsfeld is to the US (but probably quite a bit worse).
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18th July 2012 at 9:01 pm
llpoh says:
Zara – don’t be an asshat. I quoted no facts, just listed the three prevailing positions. And referencing the survivors, they suffered mightily. However, they were not in a position to know what prompted the attack. They were on the boat suffering the attack, but were no those determining or directing the attack. There evidence is minimally useful in this.
It is you laying out “facts” which are entirely in dispute. And where are your responses and outrage to the atrocities perpetrated by the Us and its major allies – which overshadow those committed by the Israels by orders of magnitude. Where is your outrage over the suicide bombers and the rockets? Where is your outrage over the Iranians sending waves of children to clear minefields? Where is your outrage that the Muslims nations surrounding the Palestinians have allowed them to be homeless for all of this time, instead of welcoming their brethren with open arms?
Your answer to ever attack on Israel or its ciizens is that they probably did it themselves to foment dissent. How laughable. You pull out the Liberty incident – from almost 50 years ago – to show how evil Israel is. Consider instead, or in addition, the atrocities committed on the Israeli people, and Jews, before and since. But that will not happen, as you hate Jews, pure and simple.
You are pure and simply a Jew hater. Live with it. Revel in your anti-semitism, and don’t deny it, as it is plain for all to see.
Muck is entirely right in this.
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18th July 2012 at 9:03 pm
Zarathustra says:
Llpoh, There are three possible reasons for Israel’s premediated and deliberate attack on the Liberty.
1) They did it for shits and giggles
2) They did it because the Liberty was documenting Israeli war crimes
3) They did it to blame it on Egypt so as to bring us into the war on their side.
Now you tell me, which is the most likely?
As for the palestianians, first you are incorrect. Jordan has absorbed hundreds of thousands of palestinians since 1948. As for the rest, why should they leave? It’s their fucking country far more than it is for a bunch of european and russian jews.
I once was a supporter of Israel. Its only in the past decade, really since the Iraq war, that I’ve studied it and learned what a dangerous parasite it is, for us. Since it’s long term existence is unsustainable for many reasons, but mostly demographic, it will only become more so. We have nothing in common with that apartheid, ethnic cleansing regime and nothing has nor can become good by being associated with it and its manifold crimes.
The biggest mistake the US has ever made in the middle east was sending a fleet of transport planes laded with military aid to Israel in 1973 because it was getting its ass kicked by Syria and Eqypt.
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18th July 2012 at 9:25 pm
llpoh says:
Zara – you are truly ignorant. It could have been an accident. It could have been intentional. It also could have been done intentionally so as to protect national interests – ie its war efforts. You fail to mention those reasons that do not serve your anti-semitic purposes.
I note you ignore all of the other questions I put. Hardly surprising. Which of these two is Zara?
Zara’s bedroom wallpaper:
Zara’s favorite quote:
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18th July 2012 at 9:39 pm
Zarathustra says:
Llpoh, people like you, jewish or not, that whip out the anti-semite label on any critics of Israel are doing jews no favor. After awhile it just becomes white noise and is ignored. That opens the door to genuine anti-semitism.
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18th July 2012 at 10:05 pm
llpoh says:
Zara – I am no fan of Israel. I am generally neutral. Unlike you, I fully understand what drives their actions. I also understand the hate that the Palestinians would have toward them. However, generally speaking, I believe that there would be peace if the Arab world and the Palestinians would allow it. The Israelis, in my opinion, would welcome peace. But it is not on the cards, as they are not being offered the ability to exist. Their enemies want their destruction. They will not go down easily. As to me, am all for allowing them to decide their own fate. Every nation on earth, one way or another, came into existence via violence. To the victor goes the spoils. Israel is different to the extent that they largely did not fight their own war fr their piece of land, and was effectively gifted it. They are doing a pretty good job of protecting it, so afar, anyway. How far they go in protecting it is to be determined.
Jews are not generally a warlike people. They value peace , education, business and the arts. If they were not threatened they would not be war-like. Again, that is my opinion. But the Muslim world wants them destroyed. So there will be continued conflict.
The US should stay out of it, and let it sort itself out. The Jewish population of the US does much to lobby for the benefit of Israel, which is not surprising. It is the homeland of the entire Jewish people of the world. And money sways policy, as we all know. I am totally against lobbying. But it exists, and I doubt that will change. The US Muslim population should band together and lobby on the other side, I suppose, perhaps cancelling out the effects of the Jewish lobby.
In the end, it will be what it will be. But to hate the Israelis for looking after their own interests? That I do not do. Nor do I abide people who hate them for being Jews. And that seems very much to include you.
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18th July 2012 at 10:47 pm
ThePessimisticChemist says:
Nothing in their past indicates that the Israelis are interested in peace. After the horrors of the holocaust they decided that the best defense is an insanely over the top offense.
I can’t deny that its not effective, albeit with a stupid amount of American support.
I say we should be neutral in most MidEast affairs. Of course, my belief about American military is that it should be pulled back to our borders and not patrolling every stretch of water large enough to hold an aircraft carrier.
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18th July 2012 at 10:59 pm
llpoh says:
TPC – the fact that they didn’t push the Palestinians into the sea over the missiles and suicide bombers seems to me to to attest to their good intentions. But, generally speaking, I fully support your position as stated.
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18th July 2012 at 11:05 pm
ThePessimisticChemist says:
I think the conflict goes deeper than just a few missiles and bombs getting tossed out. There is no way the Israelis are as clean as they proclaim themselves to be.
I just think they have a better hold on western PR than the Palestinians do. Making the state of israel post WW2 was a massive mistake.
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18th July 2012 at 11:09 pm
flash says:
….probably just got the wrong hotel .BTW, Rham Emmanuel s father was a member of the Jewish terrorist organization Irgun that bombed the King David Hotel…or were they freedom fighters?
LOL..http://seattlejew.blogspot.com/2008/11/rahm-emanuels-irgun-father-speaks-up.html
President-elect Obama last week named U.S. Rep. Emanuel (D-Ill.), whose father is Israeli, as his White House chief of staff. In an interview with the Israeli daily Ma’ariv, Benjamin Emanuel said: “Obviously, he’ll influence the president to be pro-Israel. Why wouldn’t he? What is he, an Arab? He’s not going to be mopping floors at the White House.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing
King David Hotel bombing
The King David Hotel bombing was an attack carried out on 22 July 1946 by the militant right-wing Zionist underground organization the Irgun on the British administrative headquarters for Palestine, which was housed in the King David Hotel in Jerusalem.[1][2][3] 91 people of various nationalities were killed and 46 were injured.[4]
The hotel was the site of the central offices of the British Mandatory authorities of Palestine, principally the Secretariat of the Government of Palestine and the Headquarters of the British Forces in Palestine and Transjordan.[4][5] The attack, which initially had the approval of the Haganah (the principal Jewish paramilitary group in Palestine) and was conceived of as a response to Operation Agatha (in which widespread raids, including one on the Jewish Agency, had been carried out), was the deadliest directed at the British during the Mandate era (1920–1948).[4][5] The explosion caused more casualties than any subsequent bombing carried out in the Arab-Israeli conflict.[6]
The Irgun planted a bomb in the basement of the main building of the hotel, under the wing which housed the Mandate Secretariat and a few offices of the British military headquarters. Warnings were sent by telephone, including one to the hotel’s own switchboard, which the hotel staff decided to ignore, but none directly to the British authorities.[5] A possible reason why the warning was ignored was that hoax bomb warnings were rife at the time.[5] From the fact that a bomb search had already been carried out, it appears that a hoax call or tip-off had been received at the hotel earlier that day.[4] Subsequent telephone calls from a concerned Palestine Post staff member and the police caused increasing alarm and the hotel manager was notified. In the closing minutes before the explosion, he called an unknown British officer, but, for whatever reason, no evacuation was ordered.[5] The ensuing explosion caused the collapse of the western half of the southern wing of the hotel.[5] Some of the inflicted deaths and injuries occurred in the road outside the hotel and in adjacent buildings.[5] Controversy has arisen over the timing and adequacy of the warnings and the reasons why the hotel was not evacuated.[5]
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18th July 2012 at 6:17 am
flash says:
Loopy, you’re swinging wild.Throwing every atrocities that comes to mind , in an attempt to cloud the issue is an futile exercise in intellectual dishonesty.
Zara’s is questioning a specific incident and questions the purpose.Where the Israelis plotting to drag the US into their 2000 year old conflict with the Arabs or was it an accident.
One can lay much garbage at the doorstep of Israeli, but no one can ever accuse them of stupidity.
They calculate every move and to pretend that the technologically advanced IDF didn’t have a clue who they were attacking is self-delusional at best .
And whilst maybe the Liberty incident didn’t succeed at dragging US into their Six Day war , the war itself led to cementing the “special relationship” Israel has enjoyed with the US ever since.
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18th July 2012 at 6:36 am
Administrator says:
HOW MANY WHITE IRANIAN TERRORISTS ARE THERE?
Video Footage Of Suspected Israel Bus Suicide Bomber Who Is Caucasian And Had Fake Michigan License
Submitted by Tyler Durden on 07/19/2012 08:47 -0400
The smoke from the exploded bus carrying Israeli tourists was still billowing and yet Israeli PM Netanyahu had already declared that “Iran is responsible for the terror attack in Bulgaria, we will have a strong response against Iranian terror.” Perhaps that statement was a little premature: as footage released by Bulgarian police indicates, the suspected suicide bomber is Caucasian, and was in possession of a Michigan driver’s license, supposedly a fake one, but why anyone in Bulgaria would be carrying a fake Michigan ID is just a little confusing.
From Haaretz:
A top Bulgarian official said it was a “mistake” to lay the responsibility of a terror attack on an Israeli tourist bus on any specific countries or organizations, on Thursday, as security camera footage revealed the person authorities suspected of perpetrating the suicide attack.
Earlier Thursday, Israeli and Bulgarian stated that the Wednesday attack on the bus in the coastal city of Burgas, killing seven and wounding dozens, was a suicide bombing.
The Bulgarian police said that footage from airport security cameras captured the suspect roaming the airport for at least one hour, the Bulgarian news agency Novinite reported. According to the report he was a long-haired Caucasian in sportswear.
The body suspected as belonging to the terrorist had a U.S. driver’s license issued in Michigan – apparently fake.
Following the attack on Wednesday, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said that Iran is responsible for the terror attack, saying that all the evidence in Israel’s possession points to Iran as the responsible party.
“In the past months we saw Iranian attempts to attack Israelis in Thailand, India, Kenya, and Cyprus,” Netanyahu said. “Exactly 18 years after the attack on a Jewish community center in Argentina, the Iranian terror continues to hurt innocent people.”
“This is an Iranian terror offensive that is spreading throughout the world,” he said, warning that Israel will issue a “strong response against Iranian terror.”
However, speaking on Thursday, Bulgarian Foreign Minister Nikolay Mladenov said that he thought “it is wrong and a mistake to point fingers at this stage of the investigation at any country or organization.”
“We are only in the beginning of the investigation and it is wrong to jump to conclusions,” he added, saying that Bulgaria had “excellent cooperation with the Israeli security forces in matters pertaining to the investigation.”
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18th July 2012 at 9:38 am
flash says:
Israel kills Iranians, Iranians kill Israelis.
Conclusion : Iranians are murderers and therefore must pay.
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18th July 2012 at 10:19 am
Zarathustra says:
Llpoh writes, “The reasons behind the Liberty issue have not, to my knowledge, ever been 100% established. There are 3 basic arguments I have seen, 1) it was an accident, 2) it was intentional, and 3) it was warranted in Israel’s national interest. Whatever.”
Attacking Pearl Harbor was in warranted in Japan’s national interest. Whatever.
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18th July 2012 at 12:15 am