A portrait of James Holmes is beginning to reveal itself. Personally, I feel what has been revealed about his life should make people more worried. At least with the Tucson murders we could comfort ourselves with the fact that Jared Loughner was clearly a crazed lunatic and his background revealed multiple signs that he would eventually do something crazy. We could blame the system, his parents, drugs, or mental illness. It made us feel safer to rationalize the behavior of a lunatic. But this time something is different.
This kid was brought up in a normal household in San Diego with what appear to be normal parents. He was an athlete who played on the football and soccer teams in high school. He was on the quiet side, but had friends. He worked as a counselor for underpriveleged kids. He liked video games. He was very smart. He graduated from college at the top of his class with a degree in neuroscience, not some worthless liberal arts degree that we like to scorn. But he couldn’t find a job after college. He was forced to work at a McDonalds. Then he tried to hide out in Grad School in Denver, far away from his family and friends.
Now this is why you should be worried. How many young people fit this description? My guess is hundreds of thousands. They did everything right. They listened to their parents. They didn’t get into trouble. They did well in school. They had pretty high self esteem. Then they graduated from college and the real world beckoned. But the country has been gutted by the warfare, welfare, Wall Street policies over the last three decades. There are few if any decent jobs for even the brightest young people. Over the last two years this kid has been holed up in his tiny apartment, accumulating more student loan debt, and getting progressively more depressed and bitter at the world. He’s done everything he thought he needed to do to become successful, but he’s a failure. He keeps asking himself why, but there is no logical answer. The anger against society builds until his mind is overwhelmed with thoughts of revenge against somebody and everybody. Something snapped after months of depression, anger and disillusionment with our unfair system.
There are reports that he was dressed like the Joker. The Dark Knight series of movies are particularly bleak, dark, violent, and not particularly optimistic about our future. People are desperately seeking some sort of logical motive for this mass murder. They will not find one. There is a scene in the first Dark Knight movie that captures the essence of what James Holmes did. This quote from Alfred says it all:
“Some men just want to watch the world burn.”
No comfort can be gained by categorizing James Holmes as a lunatic. He wasn’t a lunatic for the first 22 years of his life. Did our warped society create the lunatic? Did our economic system that rewards financial criminals, corrupt politicians, and mega-corporations create the lunatic? Did our suburban sprawl, faceless, nameless, materialistic, greedy society create the lunatic? Admit it. The biography of this kid matches many 24 year olds that you know. It might even match the biography of your own son. That is why you should worry. It seems the discussion is already centered around gun control and whether someone with a gun could have prevented this tragedy. I’m not surprised. These are things that we have control over. No one wants to talk about why a seemingly normal young person could snap. We better get a handle on that question, because there are hundreds of thousands of men like James Holmes out there facing the exact same circumstances.
Colorado shooting suspect: “Everything came easy for him,” friend says
The suspect in the shooting during a “Dark Knight” screening at a Colorado movie theater Friday showed no signs of violence or anger, friends and classmates said.
James Holmes, 24, was a honors student, enjoyed video games and movies and was a strong athlete, they said. The friends knew Holmes during his high school and college years in San Diego and Riverside.
Ritchie Duong, a 24-year-old student at UC Riverside, went to middle school and high school with Holmes in San Diego and to college with him at UC Riverside. Duong said he last saw Holmes in December in downtown Los Angeles when the two joined some other friends to have dinner and see the new “Mission Impossible” movie.
“He didn’t seem to change very much from high school,” Duong said. “We knew him as the same guy. We would call him ‘Jimmy James.’ We would laugh all the time about it.”
“Everything came easy for him,” Duong said by phone Saturday. “I had one college class with him, and he didn’t even have to take notes or anything. He would just show up to class, sit there, and around test time he would always get an A.”
PHOTOS: ‘Dark Knight Rises’ shooting
Duong said that he did not believe Holmes was on prescription medication. In fact, he called Holmes a “pretty athletic kid” who frequented the gym. Duong said Holmes had numerous friends and that he had no apparent problem with women.
“He did see girls,” Duong said, adding that Holmes had never introduced him to a girlfriend.
Duong had not heard from Holmes since their last meeting.
When he heard about the shootings, Duong said he read reports online and, at first, he misunderstood. He thought his friend had been shot. Then he read more closely and “it turned out” his friend was the shooter.
In a resume posted on Monster.com, Holmes listed himself as an “aspiring scientist” and said he was looking for a job as a laboratory technician, the Associated Press reported.
The resume described how Holmes worked as a summer intern at the Salk Institute for Biological Studies in La Jolla in 2006 and mapped the neurons of Zebra finches and studied the flight muscles of hummingbirds while he was an undergraduate at UC Riverside.
He also worked one summer as a counselor at a camp for underprivileged children. The chief executive at Camp Max Straus said Holmes worked there in 2008 and “had no incidents or disciplinary concerns.”
In a statement to The Times, Randy Schwab, chief executive of Jewish Big Brothers Big Sisters of Los Angeles and director of Camp Max Straus, wrote that Holmes was responsible for “the care and guidance of a group of approximately 10 children” at the camp, in the hills above Glendale.
“His role was to ensure that these children had a wonderful camp experience by helping them learn confidence, self-esteem and how to work in small teams to effect positive outcomes,” he said. In a later e-mail, he added: “That summer provided the kids a wonderful camp experience without incident.”
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Readers may find this of interest: http://astrodynamics.net/astrologicalmusings/2012/07/20/the-astrology-of-the-aurora-shooting/
A suspect has been named in the shooting, James Eagen Holmes, and Wikipedia kindly provided a birthdate of December 13, 1987. One would not usually conflate the Sun in Sagittarius, generally an easygoing and optimistic sign, with such an egregious act but Holmes’s chart is filled with challenge.
That Sagittarius Sun is conjunct both Saturn and Uranus which bestows a conflicting set of values. Saturn conjunct the Sun demands perfection and a high level of achievement, order and structure, yet Uranus on the Sun inspires revolutionary behavior and a desire to react from the status quo. That triple conjunction (Sun/Saturn/Uranus) is opposed by Chiron, demonstrating a wounded soul (Chiron/Sun) with the life challenge of deep soul surgery to resolve these wounds (Chiron/Saturn) and a highly sensitive energetic system with the potential to create anxiety and a great deal of inner pressure (Chiron/Uranus).
In addition, the Moon is in Virgo which suggests an inner critic and a high need for security. In the chart the Moon acts as a fulcrum point between the two ends of the opposition, and forms a square to Chiron (painful emotional experiences) and to the Sun/Saturn/Uranus opposition (isolation and loneliness).
To make things even more complicated, Mars is in the intensely emotional sign of Scorpio, and it conjoins Pluto there. Mars is aggression and desire, and in a conjunction to Pluto there is nearly always some sort of violence, emotional or physical, in childhood. This is a placement that signifies great personal power, but it can be badly misused as well.
This is a very difficult chart to navigate with any degree of success, and it takes a great deal of self-awareness and personal inquiry. Obviously many people have this same chart and don’t go out and commit mass murder. But we CAN see in this chart the potential for violence if the deep emotional wounds are not resolved in some kind of positive way.
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22nd July 2012 at 11:08 am
sensetti says:
Dont worry prepare,
It only gets worse from here!
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22nd July 2012 at 11:36 am
Muck About says:
KaD: Fruitloops and Unicorn candy crap.
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22nd July 2012 at 12:30 pm
Hope@ZeroKelvin says:
Two words: Timothy McVeigh.
Otherwise normal people who go right off the rails over some reason that seems perfectly rational to them at the time but results in massive loss of human life.
Then there is the inevitable overreaction of the “authorities” which inevitably results in a further erosion of our consitutionally guaranteed rights and freedoms.
All aided and abetted by the libtards/progs in the craven MSM.
I am (torturing myself) watching George Stephan-I-am-a-statist-ouPOSolous and his crew blather on about the Denver shooting. It is so hilarious, I can almost predict what these nanny statists control freaks are gonna say.
On the subject of ammo: “No one should be able to buy thousands of rounds of ammo (Cokie Roberts) or the ammo should be taxed thousands of dollars (Joe Klein).” Of course, only the fed.gov should be able to ammo! By this logic, any body buying large amounts of ammo is some kind of ticking time bomb waiting to go off or a proto terrorist or some body that clearly needs “watching”.
On the subject of “warning signs”: The general consensus among the panel is that our society needs “to be more caring, more watchful of “deviant” behaviour and have a way to “identify” these people to the “authorities”. What. The. Fuck. Let’s just complete the transition of the US into a SuperMax prison, the population into the Stazi and I’m just sure we will never have a violent crime in the USSA again.
You watch. This event will be spun by the libtards/progs/statists into a manifesto for federal controls on gun/ammo purchases as well as an expanded program of govt sponsored snitching.
Am expecting an EO any time now.
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22nd July 2012 at 12:43 pm
flash says:
As the wrapped too tight Holmes saga begins to unroll. we will soon hear how he once applied at the Aurora Police Department only to to turned away due to scoring too high on the IQ test.
That and how his daily routine consisted of parents, teachers , coach and friends telling him 24/7 how special he was.
And, no one ever bothered exp alining to the sniveling spoiled brat the true facts of life. Life’s a bitch and then you die, learn to deal with it, ………oh, and unlike fine wine your health does not get better with age.
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And, I see KaD has turned to Howie’s the garbage pimp’s 4th Gut Turnings for gaseous explications …sheesh,
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Administrator says:
While authorities continued to refuse to discuss a possible motive for one of the deadliest mass shootings in recent U.S. history, details about Holmes’ background as a student and would-be scientist trickled out.
Holmes had recently withdrawn from the competitive graduate program in neuroscience at the University of Colorado Denver, where he was one of six students at the school to get National Institutes of Health grant money. He recently took an intense three-part, oral exam that marks the end of the first year of the four-year program there, but university officials would not say if he passed, citing privacy concerns. The university said Holmes gave no reason for his withdrawal, a decision he made in June.
“The focus of the program is on training outstanding neuroscientists and academicians who will make significant contributions to neurobiology,” the university said. The doctoral program usually takes five to seven years to complete, it said.
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22nd July 2012 at 1:45 pm
Hope@ZeroKelvin says:
Two more words: MK Ultra.
What kind of unemployed drop out student can spend $20K on body armor, thousands of rounds of ammo, multiple gun purchases and then rig his digs in IEDs?? Over above the $$ needed for daily living expenses during months he spent preparing???
How convenient that there were hundreds of police and FBI in the local vicinity to “respond” to this crisis. Which we should never let go to waste, ahem.
And how wonderful the timing of this “event” right before the final deliberations of the UN Small Arms Treaty???
Gee, let’s just ignore the thousands of military grade assault rifles released into the claw of the Mexican drug cartels by the US fucking gov and the hundreds of dead people later, eh??
What. The. Fuck.
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22nd July 2012 at 2:03 pm
ncognito1959 says:
Two pieces of “possible” information I find interesting at this point:
1. This news item happened the morning after the shootings:
Holmes mother appears to not be surprised by her son’s actions. A San Diego, Calif., woman who identified herself as Holmes’ mother told ABC News she had not yet been contacted by authorities. She said she was unaware of the shooting and expressed concern that her son may have been involved.
“You have the right person,” she said, apparently speaking on instinct and not second-guessing her son would be involved. “I need to call the police … I need to fly out to Colorado.”
2. Another news item about a car parked at his parents house:
His parents still live in the area in a white two-story house on a quiet suburban street. A white Mitsubishi SUV was parked in front of the home on Friday.
Plastered across the back window was a sticker that said, “To Write Love On Her Arms,” the name of a nonprofit group that, according to its website, is dedicated to helping people struggling with depression, addiction, self-injury and suicide.
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These things make me wonder if there were some warning signs that he at least was going through some kind of depression. I also wondered if this depression could have been brought on by lack of opportunity in todays world.
His parents have an attorney now so you know what that means, they wont be saying anything more in public unless it was pre-filtered by the lawyers.
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22nd July 2012 at 2:03 pm
Colma Rising says:
Hope: Two words….
Credit Cards
Yet the nueroscience thing is being overlooked…. Certainly, “studying” animals could foster a withdrawn mind.
MKUII? No that wouldn’t be surprising. Certainly, I don’t believe that he wasn’t on any drugs and don’t buy he was completely normal in upbringing. Prime age for schizophrenia onset as well.
I doubt we’ll get any MRI’s on his brain before they melt it in an electric chair.
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22nd July 2012 at 2:15 pm
sensetti says:
Off topic
I am going to buy another handgun this week does anyone have an opinion on a Beretta PX4 Storm Compact 9mm.
I want a 9mm semi auto with a fifteen round clip to conceal carry any better ideas?
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22nd July 2012 at 2:28 pm
Administrator says:
Only pussies use that gun
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22nd July 2012 at 2:32 pm
dilligaf says:
@ sensetti –
just something to think about, .22 for everyday carry?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hdr14xVetXM
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22nd July 2012 at 2:42 pm
Colma Rising says:
Sensetti: With that firepower, you may as well get this….
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22nd July 2012 at 2:43 pm
backwardsevolution says:
What an absolute tragedy! I feel for the poor, innocent people who lost their lives, for their grieving families. My heart aches for them.
But I also feel for the kid. I do. Being a mother myself, I especially feel the pain of his mother, how she will be blamed for producing a monster. These bright kids often become narrow, too focused, too specialized, which of course they must, otherwise they’d never come up with new discoveries. Even Einstein was not all that personable. And they don’t deal with failure well, they get locked in. Some of our top discoveries have come from people who absolutely drove themselves mad.
Perhaps that oral exam did not go well; maybe he was challenged in some way. Time will tell.
I think there is a lot to learn from this, IF we are bright enough to listen and THINK.
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22nd July 2012 at 2:58 pm
sensetti says:
Thanks dillgaf
I know better than to ask a question in this neighborhood. What was I thinking? I have an airweight 38, was thinking about something that carries more rounds. But your video makes a lot of sense.
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22nd July 2012 at 3:10 pm
backwardsevolution says:
Colma Rising – “…and don’t buy he was completely normal in upbringing.” Who is? Who really is? Show me a family that isn’t dysfunctional in some way. They all are.
We don’t know yet what happened. I’ve known parents who have done everything under the sun in order to get their kids to STOP studying (yes, to stop), to broaden their horizons a little, but the brightest often get locked in. In fact, we all get locked in to doing what we do. Try to deviate a little yourself; I’ll bet you’ll find that hard to do. We are a product of not only our environment, but our genes.
” Prime age for schizophrenia onset”. Yes, that could be. He certainly was delusional. Most of the other mass murderers have taken their own lives, but he didn’t. That says something.
The fact the mother knew tells us she had been worried, perhaps had tried to get him help. You know your kid, if you’re paying attention (a lot aren’t). I too have tried to get help for a family member, only to be told that there’s nothing to see here, move along, but in your gut you KNOW.
I believe that if we still had COMMUNITIES, close ties with extended families, that this would never have happened (barring a diagnosis of schizophrenia). This constant competition, greed, selfishness, striving, treadmill-like life is nothing to be admired.
I predict we will see more of this.
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22nd July 2012 at 3:18 pm
KaD says:
Everyone here has the option to believe what they want. I don’t personally give a rats ass I just thought some would find this interesting.
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22nd July 2012 at 3:20 pm
PlatoPlubius says:
WTF! On edge a bit?http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DkqzoKY1CyAg%26feature%3Dplayer_embedded&feature=player_embedded&v=kqzoKY1CyAg&gl=US
this is some breaking news
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22nd July 2012 at 3:54 pm
Colma Rising says:
KaD: I thought it was interesting…. The thumbs up from me. I liked the OWS one a while back too. Do your thing…. thumb counts are meaningless.
BackwardsE: That’s what I was saying. Abnormality is born from a concept of normal…. hand in hand they skip merrily along into the pit of transience…. However, results are results: Kookoo numbnuts Holmes pussed out and destroyed innocent lives and I really don’t care about his mommy’s feelings about it… only the indication that the ‘normal’ storyline is incrediby subjective.
More crap for Monday morning quarterbacks to conjecture about over a bowl of rice chex.
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22nd July 2012 at 3:54 pm
DaveL says:
“The anger against society builds until his mind is overwhelmed with thoughts of revenge against somebody and everybody.”
Well. then why not vent on Wall Street Bankers? Why a bunch of people who had nothing to do with this fucktards life?
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22nd July 2012 at 6:13 pm
ThePessimisticChemist says:
“And, no one ever bothered exp alining to the sniveling spoiled brat the true facts of life.”
The irony in flash’s continued anti-millenial tirades never ceases to amaze me.
I’d say Boomers are the spoiled brats here bro, not Millenials. We are just trying to make the best out of an increasingly bad situation.
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ThePessimisticChemist says:
Here is as good of place as any:
http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2012/07/21/officer-involved-shooting-reported-in-anaheim/#.UAueMIBWmzM.facebook
Near Riot Breaks Out After Officer-Involved Shooting In Anaheim
ANAHEIM (CBS/AP) — A police shooting that left a man dead led to a near riot Saturday as angry witnesses threw bottles at officers who responded with tear gas and beanbag rounds.
The man was shot around 4 p.m. in front of an apartment complex on the 600 block of North Anna Drive following a foot chase, Anaheim Sgt. Bob Dunn said. He died three hours later at a hospital.
The Orange County Register cited family members and neighbors who said the man shot was Manuel Diaz. Dunn said he could not confirm the man’s name early Sunday.
His niece, 16-year-old Daisy Gonzalez, said her uncle likely ran away from officers when they approached him because of his past experience with law enforcement. “He (doesn’t) like cops. He never liked them because all they do is harass and arrest anyone,” Gonzalez said.
Residents, protesting what they say is an increased police violence against them in the community, started the near riot after the shooting on nearby La Palma.
Crystal Ventura, a 17-year-old who witnessed the shooting, told the Register the man had his back to the officer. She said the man was shot in the buttocks area. The man then went down on his knees, and she said he was struck by another bullet in the head. Another officer handcuffed the man who by then was on the ground and not moving, Ventura said.
“They searched his pockets, and there was a hole in his head, and I saw blood on his face,” she said.
Dunn said he could not comment on these allegations because the shooting is under investigation.
Jay Jackson, reporting for CBS2 and KCAL9, said Saturday night’s scene was chaotic.
The residents blocked off a street and set fire to at least one dumpster.
Earlier in the day, police in riot gear, fired rubber bullets into the crowd. Several protesters lifted their shirts to show large red welts on their torsos and backs.
Residents told Jackson that police overreacted and created the disturbance.
One man said, “They just started shooting.”
Police also set a K-9 officer on one woman and a bystander they said were agitating the situation.
Said Susan Lopez, “I had my baby with me. My baby! The dog scratched me and then grabbed me.” She added, “They shot at me while I was holding a baby!” Another woman yelled, “They just shot at us, they shot at a little kid, too.”
According to police, two patrol officers observed three male suspects in an alley.
Police said the suspects tried to flee on foot when a chase ensued.
The shooting reportedly occurred after one of the officers encountered one of the suspects in a courtyard.
No officers were injured.
The other two suspects are at-large.
Dunn said, “What exactly led to the shooting, we don’t know. We’re still investigating. But a shooting did occur. And the male was taken to a hospital.”
Authorities said the circumstances regarding the shooting were under investigation by members of the gangs unit and Orange County District Attorney’s office.
Four people told Jackson that police offered to buy their cell phone video.
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22nd July 2012 at 6:54 pm
ThePessimisticChemist says:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MST4RhWdlMQ
Footage of the event.
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22nd July 2012 at 7:32 pm
llpoh says:
Colma – up close, that wrist rocket is a weapon to be feared. From two or three yards, it is deadly and will drop you like a sack of shit. It will shoot a ball bearing through the side of a 50 gallon drum. It will ruin you whole day if it hits you. It isn’t great at rapid fire, but for a little bit of protection around the house it isn’t bad. Just don’t pull the trigger until they are real close. And use a great big ball bearing. Here is a video of one used on a coconut – jump to minute 2 to see results:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTvBoNaokMk&feature=player_detailpage
Here is a range of marbles/ball bearings slingshotted against ballistic gell. Anyone want to volunteer for human tests? Don’t think so. Close range and it would shoot right through a human chest. With .45 calibre and up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVdq1Z5cSvA&feature=player_detailpage
Maybe if everyone in the theater had a wrist rocket it would have brought the guy down.
Marbles work pretty well, but you really want lead or steel ball bearings to really have any impact.
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22nd July 2012 at 7:58 pm
Colma Rising says:
Llpoh: Those things are’t a joke! Holy shit!
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22nd July 2012 at 9:30 pm
dilligaf says:
how to stop a massacre –
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KjH3ZMUks1o
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22nd July 2012 at 9:35 pm
dilligaf says:
a wrist rocket can also be easily modified to shoot arrows.
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22nd July 2012 at 9:42 pm
llpoh says:
Colma – I used to keep one at hand around the house with a supply of ball bearings. Fishing sinkers (round) work well too. Any idiot wanting to take a chance on getting close to me if I had one of those would be in for a very nasty surprise. It would most certainly deter or incapacitate a knife wielder so long as you hit him in the torso – just make sure you get close to them and – pop goes the weasel.
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22nd July 2012 at 9:44 pm
llpoh says:
dilligaf is absolutely correct – they hunt deer with those fuckers. Not quite as powerful as a compound bow but pack one hell of a punch. And did I mention silent?
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22nd July 2012 at 9:46 pm
Colma Rising says:
“Ze Handt Hovitzer”
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22nd July 2012 at 9:47 pm
llpoh says:
dilligaf – I posted that link a couple of days ago. Difference is that those shitheads were not armored like robocop, and hadn’t filled the room with smoke, and weren’t acting under cover of darkness, and hadn’t come to kill anyone. Still, they ran like little bitches when the old guy pulled out the piece and started shooting.
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22nd July 2012 at 9:48 pm
llpoh says:
Here is a slingshot they developed to kill Zombies – pretty fearsome gizmo in all actuality, and a hoot to boot!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHxS2eiEZ3M&feature=player_detailpage
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22nd July 2012 at 9:53 pm
llpoh says:
Sorry, above was wrong link. This is the zombie killer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=i240YgsA_rs
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22nd July 2012 at 9:55 pm
llpoh says:
Seriously – take a look at the zombie killer – I am wetting myself laughing. That guy is a riot.
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22nd July 2012 at 9:57 pm
llpoh says:
Check out minute 6 on this one – shoots a full beercan clean in half.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHxS2eiEZ3M&feature=player_detailpage
You have to log in to see him shoot circular saw blades – I dont think they want kids copying that one! Bwahahaha!
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22nd July 2012 at 10:04 pm
llpoh says:
And here is a roof-top mounted Zombie killer – shoots through 2 inches of fiberboard. I wet myself laughing at this guy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=FNNO8q9Ixpk
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22nd July 2012 at 10:09 pm
dilligaf says:
i must say, this has inspired me, i went and dug the old wrist rocket out of the garage. when i was a kid i could take out a bird in flight.
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22nd July 2012 at 10:16 pm
Colma Rising says:
The head ejector… Zombie killer sling shot indeed.
He is a riot, llpoh.
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22nd July 2012 at 10:17 pm
Colma Rising says:
There goes the neighborhood.
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22nd July 2012 at 10:19 pm
llpoh says:
Here he shows how to make a crossbow slingshot – a deadly little fucker that one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=FNNO8q9Ixpk
Damn, that guy is awesome. He shoots spears, knives. cannonballs, circular saw blades, and has developed a shot-gun like slingshot. I think Zombies should avoid his neighborhood.
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22nd July 2012 at 10:24 pm
dilligaf says:
holy shit, the rooftop one is brutal….
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22nd July 2012 at 10:28 pm
llpoh says:
In this one, at the end, he soots a spear through a buletproof vest – if all the folks at the theater had one of these, they would have nailed that bastard for sure:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=FNNO8q9Ixpk
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22nd July 2012 at 10:29 pm
llpoh says:
I love this site – where else can I go to post links to Zombie-killing slingshots, call posters cretins and shit for brains one day and swap stories with them about terrorizing the local wildlife with wrist-rockets the next?
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22nd July 2012 at 10:32 pm
Colma Rising says:
Those videos are waaaaaaay too much fun.
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22nd July 2012 at 10:35 pm
llpoh says:
Sorry about the typos. Here he has a pump-action pencil shooter – how I would have loved one of those back in grade school. I would have been king until I took out an eye!
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22nd July 2012 at 10:35 pm
llpoh says:
sorry forgot the link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYJ2zj1SB5Y&feature=player_detailpage
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22nd July 2012 at 10:36 pm
dilligaf says:
ha ha llpoh, kind of like germans and brits playing soccer in no mans land on the western front.
after watching those vids, i can see now, that i need a stronger sling shot!
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Kenneth David Peterson, 51, allegedly told his neighbor Fred Padilla he was attacking him because he was the Antichrist. Peterson attacked his car with a tire iron in February and has now begun regularly shooting at him with a BB gun, Padilla said.
ATT apoligizes for its rogue employees tracking its clients web browsing habits, including slingshots, bb guns and cattle prods
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22nd July 2012 at 11:15 pm
Adjustment agency says:
dilligaf says: i must say, this has inspired me, i went and dug the old wrist rocket out of the garage. when i was a kid i could take out a bird in flight.
And now you can call yourself Jesus and shoot at your neighbors. But you arent crazy you are doing Gods work or rationalize it as so.
Hah =)
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22nd July 2012 at 11:22 pm
Burning Plato says:
Now, who here has Googled for cattle prods?
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22nd July 2012 at 11:29 pm
Demented Space Monkey says:
I did not Google for cattle prods. I Binged for them fagidaffy
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22nd July 2012 at 11:34 pm
llpoh says:
I was cattle-prodded once as a teenager. It was, of course, a dare and also involved remuneration from my so-called-buddies. The operative word her is “once”. Twice was not EVER going to be an option – sumbitches hurt.
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22nd July 2012 at 11:38 pm
15 Floors of govt "intelligence" says:
Sad, isnt it? We pay for a band of fools to track your web habits and try to mess with your heads.
And this is the result of your tax dollars, right fagidaffy?
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22nd July 2012 at 11:42 pm
llpoh says:
From wiki:
“Anything that touches the electric current receives a high-voltage low-current shock, not strong enough to kill a human or a large animal such as a cow or sheep from short-term exposure, but strong enough to cause significant pain. The electric cattle prod is designed to apply a painful shock to cattle, and thus “prod” them along; the pain stimulates movement.” The “pain stimulates movement” – no fucking shit – it got me moving, that is for damn sure, and I near shit myself.
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22nd July 2012 at 11:42 pm
Hieth Thomson says:
I never fired my pellet gun at my neighbor I just pointed it at them but the light scared me.
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22nd July 2012 at 11:53 pm
TeresaE says:
You guys have reminded me that I haven’t played with mine all summer. Not once. Hot summers are lazy summers.
I’m taking it out tomorrow, I have a whole sleeve of small ball bearings. Wonder if my little one is big enough to shoot it yet.
And I need to pull out my pellet rifle and see how she’s doing.
But my main thing on my list tomorrow is re loading supplies. Holder stated he wanted to come after the ammo through background checks, individual markings on ammo (driving prices up), taxes (driving prices up), and now we’ll be limited to the amount we can buy.
They’ve been waiting for a long time to come after our ability to protect ourselves (from them), and they have to disarm us before they sell Fannie/Freddie to China to pay off our debt and keep the war machine supply chain filled.
Writing on the wall has been around for a long time. Yep, reloading supplies, lots and lots of them.
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22nd July 2012 at 12:00 am
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KaD
I found it interesting. You don’t have to ~believe~ in astrology to see it as a metaphor.
TPC
I think your focus is too narrow. flash doesn’t specialize in millennials — he hates everybody. Watch his comments — glass half-empty, every silver lining contained a dark cloud. He’s like the superhero of negativity.
llpoh
A friend and I were working on a variant of the Norman Dean reactionless thruster patent, intending to replace the mechanicals with electromagnetic tubes. Must have missed a decimal place or something as the initial test of the tube launched the ball bearing with such force that it blasted a hole in a wall. Yahoo.
And moving on …
I saw a photo of the smiling Jimmy James, WTF really? Fucking MSM, you can’t trust anything when you know past history: after the Martin Bryant Port Arthur massacre, the media altered his eyes on more than one photograph to make sure everyone knew this was a loony. And those fakes still show up and no one’s the wiser. Fuckers.
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22nd July 2012 at 12:01 am
TeresaE says:
KaD, send me an email at gem fem67 at yahoo, I wanted to give you some info on something else that we have in common.
Don’t let the doubters bug ya’, just like ghosts it’s easy to dismiss if you’ve never had it proven to you.
I do love this place and its diversity of thought.
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22nd July 2012 at 12:03 am
dilligaf says:
that is some funny shit.
i once grabbed an electric fence while standing in an irrigation ditch, i didnt shit myself, but i did let out an involuntary, guttural, moan/scream. which made my cousin turn around wondering what in the hell would make a noise like that. once he saw the look on my face, and that i was frozen to a wire he knocked me off while laughing his ass off. nope, wont do that again…..
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22nd July 2012 at 12:07 am
Pawned says:
IOW your so weak you became a servant, right dill because a cattle fence does not kill. It trains, your whole story is BS
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22nd July 2012 at 12:17 am
dilligaf says:
modify your wrist rocket to shoot arrows –
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6LxKfpAPYA
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22nd July 2012 at 12:41 am
SSS says:
“At least with the Tucson murders we could comfort ourselves with the fact that Jared Loughner was clearly a crazed lunatic and his background revealed multiple signs that he would eventually do something crazy. We could blame the system, his parents, drugs, or mental illness. It made us feel safer to rationalize the behavior of a lunatic. But this time something is different.”
—-Admin’s lead comments
Exactly. This is the best description and analysis of the Aurora massacre yet. And in all the comments thus far, ncognito hit the nail on the head when he (or she, hell who knows, it’s ncognito) focused on Holmes’ mother, who said, “You’ve got the right person.”
Here’s the drill, folks. In both of the Tucson and Aurora massacres, there is ONE, and only one, factor which may, emphasis on may, have made a difference. The parents.
In both of these cases, it was the PARENTS who were closest to the accused. And only the parents. Not a girlfriend, not some buddies, not anyone but their parents.
Anyone got a LAW to fix that. Please, dear God, don’t let anyone answer that seriously.
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22nd July 2012 at 12:51 am
Anonymous says:
Why modify a wrist wrocket when a charged fence will do the same to peeping toms, who did not learn the lesson of peeping on another, in search of young girls or boys, or whatever his odd desire, then rationalize themselves as neighborhood superheros, protecting their property, or their children, when they are actually a pervert ratonanlizing their freak voyeurism. No wrist rocket needed.
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22nd July 2012 at 12:52 am
SSS says:
Kudos to Dilly Dick, aka dilligaf, for the ONLY solution that citizens have for this random violence.
Packing heat.
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22nd July 2012 at 12:54 am
Zarathustra says:
Legalized prostitution is the answer. The common denominator among all of these young school (or theatre) shooters is that they can’t get laid.
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22nd July 2012 at 12:59 am
llpoh says:
Some interesting gun related stats:
Defensive gun uses (DGUs) by civilians, per year…2,500,000 to 3,500,000
Fraction of DGUs in which no shot is fired…92%
In most DGUs, a firearm is merely displayed by the intended victim, and the criminal flees. No one is injured. Civilian gun ownership clearly gives the edge to the law-abiding defender, because in 82 percent of DGU situations, the criminal has no gun.
[Combination of sources cited by Kleck in Targeting Guns (1997), all figures]
Crimes committed with guns, per year…1,000,000
About three times as many DGUs occur per year.
About 30,000 (Holy shit!) deaths by gun occur each year in the US. Think about that number – 30,000! Every 15 years the equivalent of a city of 500,000 is wiped out. The deaths are largely split 50-50 suicide to murder. About 1000 accidental deaths per year occur.
What does it all mean? Hell if I know. I do know that 30,000 death by gun in the US is an absolute outrage and should not be tolerated at all. How to stop it is beyond my ken. But some 3 million crimes per year are prevented by civilians with guns, and 600,000 crimes involving guns are prevented each year by civilians with guns – roughly 60% of gun crime is prevented by citizens with their own guns, if I am reading the stats correctly. That means over half of all gun crime is prevented because civilians have guns.
But there can also be no doubt that a lot of deaths – and I mean HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of deaths, even millions – occur because of the prevalence of guns in the US society. The guns are out there, and no matter what an individuals position is (I for one have always owned them and am not about to give them up) they cannot and will not be withdrawn. But the shear number of deaths is an abomination. I really have no answer to any of it. It is just such a shame.
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22nd July 2012 at 1:24 am
Zarathustra says:
Speaking of mass murder, Romney is tied to El Salvadorian death squads, LOL:
http://rt.com/programs/big-picture/romney-bain-death-squads/
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22nd July 2012 at 1:26 am
llpoh says:
250,000+ times a year a citizen fires a gun in order to prevent the commission of a crime. Interesting little factoid to be gleaned from the stats I posted above.
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22nd July 2012 at 1:27 am
llpoh says:
PS – I also just read a counterpoint to the above stats that effectively say they are all bullshit, and only around 100,000 times a year are guns used by civilians in order to prevent gun crime. I have no idea which is right, and the stats are diametrically opposed. Go figure.
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22nd July 2012 at 1:30 am
llpoh says:
Another interesting fact – Australia, 1/15th the size of the US, has around 50 gun homicides per year – or 1/25th the rate of gun homicide by population. Its suicide rate by gun is around 1/3 of the US rate by population. Australia has moderate gun control laws per my understanding.
The takeaway from this is that perhaps 20,000 people die each year in the US because of freely available guns in comparison to nations where guns are not freely available. It is a reasonable question to ask – is the benefit of freedom to bear arms worth the cost? Millions will die over time because of this freedom. It is not an inconsequential price. I do not have the answer, and am not advocating gun control. But it is a legitimate question, that I find harder to answer within myself each passing year.
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22nd July 2012 at 1:37 am
dilligaf says:
lloph – is the benefit of freedom to bear arms worth the cost?
the question is easily answered.
2nd amendment.
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22nd July 2012 at 1:45 am
dilligaf says:
is the benefit of freedom to bear arms worth the cost.
without it, freedom ceases to exist.
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22nd July 2012 at 1:54 am
ecliptix543 says:
Surprisingly, DaveL actually made a really good point that I’ve also been wondering about all weekend… why don’t these nut bag fucksticks go and pull this shit at the corp HQ of one of the banks? Then, at least, there would’ve been SOMETHING redeeming about the expended ammo. As it is, what a fucking chickenshit. Firing squad.
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22nd July 2012 at 1:58 am
ecliptix543 says:
Excellent question, llpoh. Is it worth it? There are obviously great costs in injuries and deaths, whether intentional or accidental, each year because of the presence of such large numbers of guns. But, what would be the cost in lives and injuries of a society under complete, armed tyranny, such as the Soviets or Cambodians had? Looking purely at the numbers, I would posit that our death toll is less than it would be were civilian guns to be outlawed and confiscated, and that toll would be at the hands of our government (which is increasing anyway).
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22nd July 2012 at 2:10 am
Llpoh says:
Dilligaf – I doubt anyone thought there would be 30,000 gun deaths a year way back then. The 2nd amendment doesn’t answer the question at all. It bestows a right. At a terrible cost.
E – I suspect you may be right. However, the 30,000 deaths a year makes me at least question the balance. It is a terrible thing.
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22nd July 2012 at 2:57 am
IndenturedServant says:
When I was a scrawny 12 year old, a kid shot me with a wrist rocket from about 2-3 feet away. He used a green walnut as a projectile. I was hit just below the ribs on my left side, right inline with my kidney. It took me a couple of minutes just to figure out what the fuck had happened. My brother said I dropped to the floor and was flopping around like a fish out of water. All I remember was a searing, white hot pain that seemed to engulf me. It left a bruise that wrapped around my torso from my spine to my belly button and armpit to belt line. I even pissed a little blood but there was no permanent damage. I’m lucky he was not using a ball bearing. Fuck that hurt!
I_S
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22nd July 2012 at 4:57 am
flash says:
Loopy ,before you start calling for all out gun control based upon what some dubious Australian gun control stats ,take a gander at this.
Sunday, July 22, 2012
Mailvox: Aussie logic
Freddy suggests that America should follow Australia’s example in fighting crime by banning guns:
Australia has very strict gun laws following several mass shootings. People get shot but mainly as a result of gangs who fight their vendettas out between themselves. It is rare for people to shot in domestic violence or random attacks. Most people don’t carry or own guns. Americans would do well to consider that many non Americans think it is insane to be able to buy a firearm off the counter.
Actually, if the Australian Bureau of Criminology can be believed, Americans would be insane to concern themselves with what non-Americans think about American gun rights.
In 2002 — five years after enacting its gun ban — the Australian Bureau of Criminology acknowledged there is no correlation between gun control and the use of firearms in violent crime. In fact, the percent of murders committed with a firearm was the highest it had ever been in 2006 (16.3 percent), says the D.C. Examiner.
Even Australia’s Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research acknowledges that the gun ban had no significant impact on the amount of gun-involved crime:
In 2006, assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
Sexual assault — Australia’s equivalent term for rape — increased 29.9 percent.
Overall, Australia’s violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.
Moreover, Australia and the United States — where no gun-ban exists — both experienced similar decreases in murder rates:
Between 1995 and 2007, Australia saw a 31.9 percent decrease; without a gun ban, America’s rate dropped 31.7 percent.
During the same time period, all other violent crime indices increased in Australia: assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
Sexual assault — Australia’s equivalent term for rape — increased 29.9 percent.
Overall, Australia’s violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.
At the same time, U.S. violent crime decreased 31.8 percent: rape dropped 19.2 percent; robbery decreased 33.2 percent; aggravated assault dropped 32.2 percent.
Australian women are now raped over three times as often as American women.
So, if the USA follows Australia’s lead in banning guns, it should expect a 42 percent increase in violent crime, a higher percentage of murders committed with a gun, and three times more rape. One wonders if Freddy even bothered to look up the relative crime statistics.
The International Crime Victims Survey, conducted by Leiden University in Holland, found that England and Wales ranked second overall in violent crime among industrialized nations. Twenty-six percent of English citizens — roughly one-quarter of the population — have been victimized by violent crime. Australia led the list with more than 30 percent of its population victimized. The United States didn’t even make the “top 10″ list of industrialized nations whose citizens were victimized by crime.
I wonder why that might be?
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22nd July 2012 at 6:15 am
Administrator says:
Thanks for making my point. The debate on my post was on gun control and other miscellaneous shit.
No one wants to confront the real issue.
It scares them too much and they don’t have an answer.
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22nd July 2012 at 6:21 am
flash says:
link: http://voxday.blogspot.com/2012/07/mailvox-aussie-logic.html
BTW loopy. do you dispute John Lott’s studies that show lax gun laws actually deter crime?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/More_Guns,_Less_Crime
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bias_Against_Guns
And , taken into account that the majority of crimes committed with guns happens in gun-free zones can you really give a shred of credence to any gun control argument.
And i can see why guns should be outlawed in Australia . How anyone could listen to an Australian prattle on with that annoying accent for any length of time without pulling a gun and firing away is beyond me….eh mate?
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22nd July 2012 at 6:31 am
flash says:
admin-,maybe some congress critter ought to float a bill that requires all recent college graduates with science degrees who are unemployed get psyches evaluations and turn in all weapons.
This would make loopy feel much safer.
I wonder where loopy stands on government imposed restrictions on C/C pocket knives
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22nd July 2012 at 6:38 am
Llpoh says:
Flsh you are stupid as dirt sometimes. You simply cannot negate 30,000 gun deaths per year with your horseshit. Further, nowhere did I advocate gun control. Quite the contrary. But 30,000 fucking gun deaths every fucking year simply cannot be swept under the carpet in this debate. And fact is nations with strict gun control laws generally have fewer crime related deaths.
Try to cover it with smoke and mirrors but every 15 years half a million Americans die by gun. That is an abomination.
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22nd July 2012 at 7:13 am
Llpoh says:
Admin – that is somewhat my point. I do not have the answer. Gun control puts the population at risk from despots. But 30,000 deaths a year is unacceptable. It must be addressed. I do not know how, but we cannot live with that forever. I am appalled by the massacre, but I doubt gun laws will affect that type of crime in any way – people planning those sprees will figure out how to accomplish them.,laws be damned.
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22nd July 2012 at 7:26 am
flash says:
Loopy , you can’t blame the 30,000 deaths per year on guns,and if guns were somehow erased from the violence equation , the culture of violence would still prevail, even if restricted to only the use of long knives.
Hutus killed 800,000 Tutsis using little more than machetes.
The culture that begat this pointless violence isn’t going away , so ill keep possession of my firearm,but thanks for your concern just the same.
Let ‘em kill 30 thousand more of each other. Matter of fact , TBP should organize a get out the gun drive and seek arm more of the thugs…..provide free crack and malt , liquor too.Let ‘em kill themselves off.
We don’t need to save a damn one of the barbarians.They’ve not added one thing to the progress of society.
Stop da’ violence sez the culture that is the source of all the violence.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57470618/chicago-police-sergeant-tribal-warfare-on-the-streets/
Chicago police sergeant: “Tribal warfare” on the streets
(CBS News) CHICAGO – Chicago is in the grips of a deadly gang war. At least 275 people have been killed in the city so far this year and many more have been shot, many of them innocent bystanders to the gang violence. Among the latest victims were 12- and 13-year-old girls shot Tuesday night. They survived.
Sgt. Matt Little leads one of the teams in Chicago’s Gang Enforcement Unit. There are about 200 such officers in the city– versus 100,000 gang members.
“Almost all the violence we’re seeing now is from the gangs,” Little said. “When there’s a shooting we’ll respond to the shooting. We’ll figure out where we believe the most likely area for retaliation is and we’ll work that area trying to both prevent retaliation and possibly build a case on offenders.”
CBS News rode along with Little’s team as dusk fell on poor neighborhoods of vacant lots and high anxiety.
“The gangs have lost their hierarchy, so to speak, and without a chain of command, there’s really nobody keeping things in check,” Little said. The leaders are mostly in prison — or dead. Those left are young, reckless, and often terrible shots.
Dean Reynolds
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22nd July 2012 at 7:32 am
flash says:
loopy A little light shined on your BS gun control spew.
30,000 Gun Deaths per year!
by bigblock57, blogalwarning blog.
This number touted by gun-controllers seems to be about right. However, a deeper look reveals the following:
1).Suicides account for about 48% of deaths by guns. They need to be taken off the figures, as suicide will take place with or without a gun. (Sweden has higher suicide rate than US, but guns hardly used there for that…) So now we are down to 16,300 deaths per year to deal with.
2.)Homicides account for about 16,000 gun deaths in the US annually. Half of the homicides are blacks on blacks while blacks are just 13% of the population. If we figured out the social issues among blacks in the US, homicide rate would have dropped by about 40% with no change in guns ownership.(Data for 1995-2005.) Most of these homicides are with guns, but how many of them would be avoided if guns weren’t around? (See suicides above…) So now we are down to about 9300 gun homicides. (8000 among whites, and 1300 among blacks which will bring the rate to same as whites poroportional to population.
3.)As far as accidental deaths in 2007 , 39% cars, 18% poisoning, 16% falls,….only 0.6% guns! Even deaths from medical mistakes are three times higher than from gun accidents.
4.) Gun homicides decreased during the mid 90′s and remained stable todate, in-spite of population growth, and dramatic increase in gun ownership. Accidental guns deaths have decreased over 90% during the last 100 years! (Again, in the face of population growth and increase in gun ownership).
5.)there are about 9300 gun homicides (not counting the unproportional high rate within the black community) and about 700 accidental gun deaths in the US every year. 10,000 too many deaths, but nothing like the 30,000 number that is used to call for a “gun ownership crisis” in the US. The only crisis at hand is that some people, while calling themselves “Americans” are trying to take away from me my constitutional gun rights.
(Sources; FBI, CDC, US Census Beureau, allcountries.org)
http://blogalwarning.wordpress.com/2009/03/26/30000-gun-deaths-per-year/
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flash says:
The government never seem to lack a crisis to fit a preconceived solution. A small arms control treaty with the UN?…what could possibly go wrong.
COLORADO MASSACRE
The ‘lone gunmen’
Exclusive: Vox Day reveals Denver theater shooting’s signs of false-flag operation
Vox Day is a Christian libertarian and author of “The Return of the Great Depression” and “The Irrational Atheist.” He is a member of the SFWA, Mensa and IGDA, and has been down with Madden since 1992. Visit his blog, Vox Popoli.
“As I was sitting down to get my seat, I noticed that a person came up to the front row, the front right, sat down, and as credits were going, it looked like he got a phone call. He went out toward the emergency exit doorway, which I thought was unusual to take a phone call. And it seemed like he probably pried it open, or probably did not let it latch all the way. As soon as the movie started, somebody came in, all black, gas mask, armor, and threw a gas can into the audience, and it went off, and then there were gunshots that took place.”
– “Witness: Someone let gunman inside Colorado movie theater,” CNN, July 20, 2012
No doubt many Americans believe James Holmes acted alone in shooting up the Denver theater because they were told that was the case, despite at least one witness report that someone else appears to have been involved. While it is a remote possibility that Holmes was the individual seen opening the emergency exit prior to the entrance of the gunman, the fact that he has his hair dyed bright red tends to preclude that possibility as the witness would be expected to have remembered such an unusual attribute. And even if the man taking the phone call was Holmes, that would raise the question of who called him just prior to the attack.
Holmes is only the latest in a series of “lone gunmen” who are possessed of seemingly supernatural talents, such as the ability to defy the laws of physics or to be in two places at the same time. The magic bullet of Lee Harvey Oswald, the super-explosive power of Timothy McVeigh’s fertilizer bomb, the four living Saudis who are confirmed to have survived their reported participation in the 9/11 crashes and the remarkable incendiary talents of Martin van der Lubbe are all similar examples of the way in which the official story put forth by the government simply doesn’t withstand the test of science and reason.
There can be no doubt that in light of the complete political failure of the gun-control movement over the last 29 years, the Obama administration is desperate to find a way around the Second Amendment by signing the Arms Trade Treaty presently being aggressively pushed by the United Nations. With 58 senators already on the record as being opposed to any treaty that would infringe upon Second Amendment rights (thereby giving them cover to claim that the treaty does not affect such rights until after the treaty comes into effect and is clearly seen to do so), the administration was in dire need of a gun-related crisis to reduce the public opposition to the treaty.
And in the absence of any crisis it could utilize – for as Rahm Emanuel has said, “You don’t ever want a crisis to go to waste” – it appears the administration may have found one. Unfortunately, with an administration that has openly claimed a legal right to assassinate Americans without trial and is known to have engaged in a similar, but much larger false flag operation in “Operation Fast and Furious,” you cannot rule out the possibility that this incident is more than a lucky break for the government. Potential echoes of “Fast and Furious” can be seen in Holmes’ purchase of the weaponry utilized; where did an unemployed graduate school dropout find the money to obtain a rifle that costs around $1,250 and an estimated $1,500 in ammunition? One can’t help but ask such questions in times like these.
If the shootings were a false-flag operation, the Obama administration appears to have badly misread the American people again. Instead of seeing it as an example of the need for more gun control, most Americans have interpreted it as a powerful indictment of gun-free zones and an example of the need for further liberalization of carry laws. It was probably fortunate, for the sake of American freedom, that 71-year-old Samuel Williams happened to use his .38 to shoot two armed teenage thugs at an Internet cafe only a week earlier, thus presenting Americans with the significant distinction between an armed citizenry and an unarmed one.
No doubt many will avert their eyes, turn off their minds and dismiss the possibility of government involvement in the shootings as “conspiracy theory.” But 10 years ago, in a column titled The secret lust for power, I showed how the conspiracy theory of history is the only one that holds up in light of centuries of documentary evidence. Argument from incredulity is a logical fallacy, and as the following quote from a 1,700-year-old conspiracy on the part of the heir to the imperial throne should suffice to illustrate, only the uneducated and the ignorant will simply assume the intrinsic impossibility of false-flag operations.
But Galerius, not satisfied with the tenor of the edict, sought in another way to gain on the emperor. That he might urge him to excess of cruelty in persecution, he employed private emissaries to set the palace on fire; and some part of it having been burnt, the blame was laid on the Christians as public enemies; and the very appellation of Christian grew odious on account of that fire. It was said that the Christians, in concert with the eunuchs, had plotted to destroy the princes; and that both of the princes had well-nigh been burnt alive in their own palace…. No circumstances, however, of the fact were detected anywhere; for no one applied the torture to any domestics of Galerius. He himself was ever with Diocletian, constantly urging him, and never allowing the passions of the inconsiderate old man to cool. Then, after an interval of fifteen days, he attempted a second fire; but that was perceived quickly, and extinguished.
– De Mortibus Persecutorum, Lactanius ~310 A.D.
Were the Denver shootings a false flag operation? It will probably be years before anyone can say decisively one way or the other. But if Holmes commits suicide or otherwise dies in custody, that will be a strong indication that he is one more in a long and suspicious series of lone gunmen.
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22nd July 2012 at 7:41 am
flash says:
Loopy ,get one for your home and car.Criminals respect signs.30 thousand a year say so.
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22nd July 2012 at 7:44 am
Llpoh says:
Flash – you ignorant slut. Keep repeating figures I already posted. Keep painting me as anti-gun, tho I have forgotten more about guns than you know. Bullshit on your inferences that people will committ as many murders with knives as they will with guns – that is too stupid even for you. Same goes re your suicide figures. Gun suicide is extremely effective, other means less so, so that point is stupid, too.
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22nd July 2012 at 8:11 am
flash says:
loopy , I’m not repeating your figures, I’m calling them overly sensationalized bullshit and you a bullshit spewer.
Where’syour Googled bullshit figures on cop killings per year?….can’t find ‘em , huh? That’s because they are recorded.
I assume you support the arming of the largest group of dumbasses in America being armed and given a license by the state to kill with impunity?
Florida man killed in police mix-up
ReutersBy Barbara Liston | Reuters – Fri, Jul 20, 2012
http://news.yahoo.com/florida-man-killed-police-mix-222341433.html
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22nd July 2012 at 8:25 am
Llpoh says:
Flash – I would respond if I could figure out what the fuck you are talking about. How many citizens a year are killed by cops? No idea. Less than 30,000. Lots less.
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22nd July 2012 at 9:11 am
ThePessimisticChemist says:
@llpoh –
Just a couple things of note, then I’ll let you get back to it:
1) flash has a history of setting up strawmen. In this case its you and your left-wing gun control advocacy.
2) Some of his stats actually have some merit, it just takes way too much effort to dig the shit out of the rest of the pile.
Most noticeably, the number of suicides by gun and the amount of black-on-black crime. In the case of suicides, I understand the point that people are more likely to try the “point and click” method rather than other, less effective means; however that appears to me to be a societal issue. If people want to take their lives it means they’ve lost hope that the future can be any brighter.
In the case of the black community, that is obviously a societal issue as well. Just look at where the majority of the other crime takes place. Teach a man to fish and all that, Sharpton and has ilk have done more damage to the black community than the Neo-nazis and KKK combined.
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22nd July 2012 at 9:45 am
Persnickety says:
@Hope: MK ULTRA definitely comes to mind. I thought it was a little tinfoil to say out loud, but since you’ve gone first I’ll say it too. I wonder the same thing about Tim McVeigh. It’s really bizarre to think of someone going crazy and going on a killing rampage, then calmly and peacefully surrendering to police, warning them of a massively booby-trapped apartment from hell, and keeping quiet in jail. Everything after the killing rampage suggests a fairly sane and rational person (everything before and during, the opposite). It doesn’t make any sense, and given the political convenience it is suspicious.
There has been an odd bent in the recent reporting, stating that any new gun control is “unlikely.” It’s so pervasive that it sounds like a deliberate message from above the reporter level. Makes me suspicious also – either to lull the RKBA crowd into complacency, or, more likely I think, to say “we can’t do X, so instead we’ll have to do Y” with Y being another major increase in the police state apparatus – TSA goons at theaters and malls, etc., more cameras, more nosy-neighbor tiplines, basically the East German Stasi arrangement.
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22nd July 2012 at 11:51 am
flash says:
Loopy,
Are the shootings by cops not death by gun and therefore merit being tossed in your mish-mash of convenient death by gun facts?
Would you happen to have the not-so convenient stats on how many people were saved by being in possession a gun during an attempt on their life?
The lamestream media isn’t interested in any stats that do not support their “get the guns off the streets” hysteria.
Were are the stats on vehicles killing over thirty thousand people and year. being bandied about on the regurgitated crap TV that pass for news these days.
And how about the use of guns with cars in the commission of a crime? Where the stats on cars transporting guns to the scene of a crime , killing people and then aiding in the get-away?
Personally I’m OK with guns, its the complicity of cars involved in the violent deaths of people that gots me so upset.
We just need to get vehicles off our streets and make it safe for kids to pal in the street again!
Get out the guns to kill the cars….yeah , that’s the ticket.
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22nd July 2012 at 1:02 pm
Ron says:
Ovens have killed more people than anything.Oh yeah unarmed people went to the ovens.
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22nd July 2012 at 1:09 pm
Hope@ZeroKelvin says:
@Persnick:
I just don’t know about this guy. This is the prime age for a schizophrenic break as well. Schizophrenia has a baseline incidence of 1% in all cultures across the planet and frequently “breaks” when the person is under some severe stress or when they are in a situation that is less than tightly controlled. These patients also usually are highly intelligent as well.
The CO shooter was obviously a very smart guy, those NIH grants are not given out except to the most promising students. He was also under great stress during this first year of study, which the article did not mention, but is a “weed out” year. The fact that there was some kind of mutual withdrawal by the student and the university as well as his mother saying “you’ve got the right guy” indicates that there was some kind of problem with this guy. It is very sad all the way around.
I threw out the MK Ultra cuz I’ll bet there are thousands of people out there who are dissaffected, slightly nuts, and very vulnerable that are just ripe for being ginned up and pointed at a target. That is why we will never see a true picture of his social networking, cell phone records and emails, heh.
The CO shooter has already lawyered up and picked a target that was a designated NO GUN ZONE, proving that even in the most deranged person there is a core of sanity for self preservation, heh.
BTW: While Obama fly to CO to commiserate with the mostly WHITE victims of this shooter, he has totally ignored the holocause going on in his HOMETOWN OF CHICAGO, where there are more BLACK victims of assault/murder in ONE weekend than in this CO shooting, as horrible as it was.
Yeah, we ARE cowards about race, Mr. Holder. Just not in the way that you think…..
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22nd July 2012 at 1:17 pm
flash says:
Hope , if obamey wants to confront a killer , he need to travel no farther than the nearest mirror.
Aftermath in Aurora: Child-Killer as ‘Comforter-in-Chief’
http://lewrockwell.com/grigg/grigg-w270.html
Abdulrahman was sixteen years old when he was murdered by the United States government. He had run away from home in a desperate attempt to find his father, Anwar, a “radical cleric” who was the well-publicized target of the Obama administration’s assassination program.
Despite the fact that Anwar al-Awlaki was never formally charged with a crime – let alone convicted of one – he was assassinated on Obama’s orders two weeks before the Regime slaughtered his son and eight other innocent people.
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22nd July 2012 at 1:30 pm
flash says:
Ron , you’re so damn right….
I feel to be truly safe we as Americans need to ban together and pool our collected voices and demand and immediate ban on all ovens, and yes, this does include the easy bakes…
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22nd July 2012 at 1:32 pm
Persnickety says:
@Hope: yes to all the above. I don’t by any means “know” that this was a plant or a false flag, but it seems suspicious. I find it far less suspicious when some a-hole shoots up his workplace or ex-wife’s family – equally evil, but far easier to believe as simply a bad-human action. And some crazy who shoots up an innocent target and then tries to shoot cops and gets shot himself – well at least that seems consistently crazy and not crazy one minute, sane the next.
As far as false flag possibilities, MK ULTRA, etc., everyone should read this piece of FICTION that seems like it could mirror some reality:
https://westernrifleshooters.wordpress.com/2011/01/14/bracken-professor-raoul-x/
Again, that is fiction, but who’s to say it isn’t going on in some fashion?
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22nd July 2012 at 1:32 pm
Persnickety says:
One more note on this tragedy – does anyone else see the stupendous irony that a bunch of ordinary people were brutally murdered by a guy probably living partly in a fantasy world, while they were paying to see the absolute very-first showing of a violent movie set in a quasi-fantasy world in which lots of innocent ordinary people are killed by an evil villain?
In a morbid way, it’s a bit like the people who go to a NASCAR race in the hopes of seeing a crash, and then end up getting knocked over by a tire that flew off a crashed car.
Bonus points if you think this makes Obummer the g-damned Batman.
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22nd July 2012 at 1:37 pm
flash says:
p-snickety , I’m appalled at your audacity to dare to attempt humor on such a solemn thread.
Have you no sympathy for the dead, sir?
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22nd July 2012 at 3:22 pm
Persnickety says:
@flash: you’re right. I beg forgiveness for my sins. I hereby sentence myself to five minutes of listening to Nancy Pelousi. Truly a horrible punishment.
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22nd July 2012 at 3:46 pm
ncognito1959 says:
Well, the lawyers have gotten to Holmes parents. They just read a statement that the mother now claims that her comments that “you got the right person”, were misunderstood by the media.
She claims that the media called her and asked her if she was Holmes mother. She then says “you got the right person”, referring to herself as his mother affirmatively.
Lets see if ABC news, the originator of the story, have anything to say about it.
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22nd July 2012 at 5:17 pm
flash says:
p-snickety , if you truly want to do penance you must accept a date night invitation from Barney Fwanks , and thus your forthcoming pain will be accepted as sufficient restitution for your lack of empathy for those who went before.
And Barney will cast his eternally grateful smile upon your very abused backside and you will arise healed.
I pray for your deliverance.
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22nd July 2012 at 6:02 pm
ncognito1959 says:
ABC News On Holmes Family Statement: ‘ABC News stands by its previous reporting’
ABC News says it stands by its original reporting, after the family of alleged Colorado gunman James Holmes says that it took remarks by his mother out of context.
ABC News producer Matthew Mosk placed the call, and recalled what transpired:
Mosk said today that he awoke Arlene Holmes and informed her that a man, he believed was her son had been arrested in Aurora and asked to confirm their relationship.
“You have to tell me what happened… You have to tell me what happened,” the woman on the phone said, according to Mosk. Mosk said he told her that ABC News had learned the 24-year-old had been identified by police as the lone suspect in the mass killing in Aurora, Colo and that the details of the events were still taking shape.
“You have the right person,” was her response, he said. “I need to call the police. I need to fly to Colorado.”
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22nd July 2012 at 11:53 am
Pebbles says:
I’m a PhD student drop out. I worked at it for 5 years then quit to make a life and start a family. I kinda get where he is coming from. You are smart, successful (I had a good job before I quit for grad school). Then you spend years working 70-90 hours a week, trying to get experiments to work, writing grants which will never be funded, competing with your classmates who are also trying to prove themselves. The committee members and your boss all have huge egos and act like it is their job to torment you the way they have been tormented. You become obsessed with your ‘project’ because it needs to be the most important thing in your life. If it isn’t, you fail out. If you stop and don’t have your project anymore, what is there in your lfe? It isn’t like you can see grad school as a few tough years of your life. You spend 6-8 years in thePhD program, then another 4 years working as a post doc, then in your mid to late 30′s maybe you get a junior faculty position making 45k. It is realy depressive. One day I found one of the junior students had left the laser on. I imagined what woudl have happened by the next morning if I had left it. And I realized I really and truly would have been happy if I heard the lab and all my work and all of everyone else’s work burned to the ground. I thought maybe I shouldn’t do safety checks before locking up each night. I quit the next week.
Yeah, the guy’s a psycho. I would never hurt people like that. But I can kind of see how grad school could lead to his tunnel vision if he doesn’t have a strong moral compass.
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22nd July 2012 at 1:55 pm
ThePessimisticChemist says:
I cheated the system, and got a Masters of APPLIED Science, which means I only had about two top tier chemistry courses to take (HPLC operation and carbo-chem), but the rest of my degree was comprised of things like industrial scale up, regulations, compliance and then a slew of MBA type classes as well.
I get zero respect from most PhD’s out walking around, but my degree and experience outside the program landed me a high-paying position right out of the gate, and my path of progression is extremely linear and could easily see my pay doubling in the next 2-3 years.
I avoided the dog war that is a PhD program, but so many of my friends are neck deep in their fourth year of a program, and damn near all of them are miserable.
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22nd July 2012 at 2:03 pm
Pebbles says:
I also think some of it has to do with ability. It is like a temper tantrum.
A 2 year old hits and kicks and bites mommy. He screams and pees and rips books. He does everything he can to cause trouble. If he could shoot 50 people in a crowded theater, at that instant, he probably would. However there isn’t that much trouble a 2 year old can cause because he is small with limited knowledge.
A drunk gets mad at a bar, he slams tables, sends some folks to the hospital.
A very intelligent person flips out and wants to cause havoc. He makes a plan to do so. The stupid psycho couldn’t have pulled off that plan.
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22nd July 2012 at 2:05 pm
flash says:
pebble-A very intelligent person flips out and wants to cause havoc. He makes a plan to do so. The stupid psycho couldn’t have pulled off that plan.
ah, the master evil genius who dresses up and enters in a unlocked back entrance of the theater to commit mass murder versus the average lunatic dumbass who pulls up in from of the theater,gets out the car wielding a pump 870/extended tube, grabs a duffel bag full of other assorted doo-dads of dastardly destruction and calmly walks though the front door, blasting away at unarmed targets of opportunity , then proceed to the viewing section whereupon loony Joe unleashed more mishap and miscellaneous mayhem on a very large group of unlucky souls.
Geez,I see your point ,you’d just have to be some sort of Phd genius to pull of the the master evil genius dress up plan versus the attack in plain sight plan.
Gawd, I certifiably hope the make work for PHD jobs come back so we don’t have anymore frustragted
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22nd July 2012 at 2:19 pm
flash says:
damn word press…
Gawd, I certifiably hope the make work for useless PhD jobs come back so we don’t have anymore frustrated Phd’s dressing up like their favorite comic book billing and going all evil-n-shit.
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22nd July 2012 at 2:21 pm
ThePessimisticChemist says:
@flash
The guy planned it out with a fairly high degree of precision. Whether or not his intellect is at “genius” levels is debatable, but that his IQ is higher than that of your average shooter is of little doubt.
“anymore frustrated Phd’s dressing up like their favorite comic book billing”
The joker has green hair. I’m not sure who that kid thought he was dressing up as.
Pyro maybe?
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22nd July 2012 at 3:13 pm
flash says:
TPC, if the wannabe joker’s plan had been laid out with fairly high degree of precision there would have been theater full of dead people ie. more than twelve.
Think seal emergency exit , block entrances and firebomb…and I the average work till you drop American figured that out without a PhD ,besides am related to a few PHD bearers and know a few more and a far as I can tell , they’re just a deaf , dumb and blind as the rest of the sheep wandering aimlessly though the shearing pens , on their way to the slaughterhouse.
LOl…I know a few perfessers who haven’t even the wherewithal to hang a simple picture in their own home, but everyone loves to talk of their brilliance.I’m always impressed.
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22nd July 2012 at 3:40 pm
ThePessimisticChemist says:
#1 Patience and planning. The marker of someone with intellect “above the average criminal”. I never stated he was a genius, because if he was (as you said) more people would have lost their lives.
#2 The average “work till you drop American” (hardly the average these days lol) would blow a fuse, and shoot their wife/kids. Or maybe the neighbors. Or maybe beat someone to a pulp at an intersection. The average person does NOT plan something to this degree out.
I believe he is of above average intellect, that he is not schizophrenic and that he deserves to spend life in prison with absolutely no human interaction ever again.
“I know a few perfessers who haven’t even the wherewithal to hang a simple picture in their own home, but everyone loves to talk of their brilliance.”
There are dumb professors just as there are smart ditch diggers. That being said I’d wager that most PhD’s are above average in intellect. I’m not willing to state how much over the average though.
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22nd July 2012 at 4:22 pm
Thinker says:
Check out the spin on this one… and further attempts to make preppers look crazy.
College Station gunman was ‘ticking time bomb,’ stepfather says
According to Buzzfeed.com, Caffall’s Facebook page was littered with posts about guns and politics, and photos of his firearm collection. He also posted regularly on AKFiles.com, an online gun forum.
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22nd July 2012 at 5:18 pm