I stumbled upon this two part video series from Vice.com on Zombie-inducing drug known on the streets of Columbia as the Devil’s Breath.
Part I
http://www.vice.com/vice-news/colombian-devil-s-breath-1-of-2
Part II
http://www.vice.com/vice-news/colombian-devil-s-breath-2-of-2
I wonder if McDonald’s and Coke have put this Scopolamine in their Coca Cola fountain drinks?! This would be better than Cocaine! After all Coke is so 80s!
SSS says:
Plato
It’s spelled C-O-L-O-M-B-I-A, not Columbia.
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18th August 2012 at 7:57 pm
SSS says:
Plato
I’ve been to Colombia many times. Lots of dangerous characters in that country. I carried a concealed 9 mm at all times, and I had to pull it twice. Once on a would-be kidnapper, and once on two would-be muggers.
As your video links acknowledge, scopolamine is not a “new” drug and has been around for a long, long time. Everyone on the U.S. embassy staff in Bogota was warned about its dangers, particularly if you wanted to visit seedy bars or where women of easy virtue hung out. Most every American official who lives in Bogota watches his or her step and knows of the dangers. They studiously stick to known safe areas, and there are many of those.
But not everyone. While I was there in 1989, one embassy staffer went to the wrong bar, and a woman he was chatting up put some scopolamine in his drink. He woke up nude lying along side of a street outside of Bogota. He was fortunate to be alive, but the incident ended his career with the State Department.
Scopolamine is one fucked up, dangerous drug. But hey, the dense “pure libertarians” on this site would legalize it in a New York minute. Right, people?
Hot debate. What do you think?
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18th August 2012 at 8:44 pm
a cruel accountant says:
SSS any drug that is desired by people legal or not is always available. So your last point is moot.
Hot debate. What do you think?
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18th August 2012 at 11:05 pm
SSS says:
“SSS any drug that is desired by people legal or not is always available. So your last point is moot.”
—-a cruel accountant, PhD, summa cum laude graduate of the School of Philosphy, University of the Inverted Universe
Let me substitute just one word in your statement. Just one. “Any ACTIVITY that is desired by people legal or not is always available.” Murder, robbery, and rape are always available to every single person on this planet. Always. And those activities are actually desired by some people. But I’ll be damned, they’re illegal everywhere, just like dangerous drugs.
Now, run it by me again why my point is moot. This time with gusto.
Hot debate. What do you think?
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18th August 2012 at 11:39 pm
Colma Rising says:
Having just watched the video, my opinion is that this compound isn’t some recreational drug and any “Libertarian” (those quotations emphasize rationalizing perverts and charlatans) who would advocate a substance that removes free-will in such a manner is precisely the type of sub-human scumb I would gladly see prosecuted and dispatched.
I will assume the videos weren’t watched….
If any would like to watch them and somehow oppose SSS’ challenge (though in itself the equating that shit to the reefer is fucking silly) I would just love to discuss “unintended consequences” and other such philosophical musings with the cretin advocating its legalization.
“Robbery, study and death”
-Fraky drug dealer in video, paraphrased.
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18th August 2012 at 12:02 am
IndenturedServant says:
So much for the rest and relaxation SSS obtained on his vacation.
I_S
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18th August 2012 at 12:07 am
Colma Rising says:
“Freaky” drug dealer in the video….
“Murder, robbery, and rape are always available to every single person on this planet.”
-SSS
Scopolamine is precisely that. Any person without a lab coat researching it in possession of that shit could readily be assumed to be a robber, rapist or murderer…. or a material supporter of such.
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18th August 2012 at 12:10 am
SSS says:
Colma
As you know, I have long supported decriminalized personal use of marijuana. And I emphasize personal use.
I have known about scopolamine for a long, long time. It’s the end of the earth in dangerous drugs. But for a lot of people, so is meth. And for others, so is (fill in the blank).
Plato may have done some sort of service by posting those links to scopolamine. My thanks to him.
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18th August 2012 at 12:40 am
SSS says:
Just to lighten up the thread a tad, Pitbull said in his smash hit International Love that “Colombian women are some of the most beautiful I have ever seen.” True.
Here’s a pic of Florida Senator Marco Rubio’s wife, a Colombiana, mother of four, and former Miami Dolphins cheerleader. Mama mia, thatsa……well. you know the rest.
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18th August 2012 at 1:09 am
Bruce says:
And Colombia has these too!
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b317/bwftex/lucia-tovar.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b317/bwftex/esperanza-gomez.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b317/bwftex/catalina-otalvaro-3.jpg
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18th August 2012 at 1:11 am
Ron says:
I always wondered about what people were on.. The amount of people who think Obama can do no wrong,i figured he was a master of mass hypnosis.
Evil stuff for sure.
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18th August 2012 at 1:12 am
Colma Rising says:
SSS:
Does she Bo-Got-A lotta behind?
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18th August 2012 at 1:57 am
Colma Rising says:
As for anyone “playing a prank” with that like the doofy hipsters making the video said at first, I hope they learned from the gangsta with the blocked face what a prank could turn into…
Now Plato…. if they spiked a consumed good with it, fatass gluttons who eat ten burgers and drink vats of soda would be canaries in the coal mine….
They’d see Jeebus or fall dead all the time…
Oh shit. They do that in Fresno.
OK, well at least we don’t see them on hoverounds peering from behind their hand….
Oh shit. I better check a Wal Mart post to be sure…
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18th August 2012 at 2:11 am
backwardsevolution says:
Read an interesting article re Sirhan Sirhan (which I can’t find now). He said the same thing, that it was as if his free will was taken away and he was acting on what someone was telling him to do. His lawyers were claiming some sort of hypnosis, but, if true, if his free will was indeed taken away, could it have been a drug such as this? What a perfect crime!
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18th August 2012 at 3:42 am
Novista says:
Scopolamine has been used in the past to treat addiction to drugs such as heroin and cocaine. The patient was given frequent doses of scopolamine until they were delirious. This treatment was maintained for 2 to 3 days after which they were treated with pilocarpine. After recovering from this they were said to have lost the acute craving to the drug to which they were addicted.
Pilocarpine has been used in the treatment of chronic open-angle glaucoma and acute angle-closure glaucoma for over 100 years. ~
~ Pilocarpine is often used as an antidote for scopolamine, atropine, and hyoscyamine poisoning.
~ In ophthalmology pilocarpine is also used to reduce the possibility of glare at night from lights if the patient underwent implantation of phakic intraocular lenses; the use of pilocarpine would reduce the size of the pupils, relieving these symptoms.
Hmm, I might have had some of that after my first cataract implant. FWIW.
Does anyone remember “Clockwork Orange”?
I reckon the libertarian response of this would be the non-aggression principle and personal responsibility. Personally, I wouldn’t fuck with a hallucinogen with extreme and maybe adverse side effects. But I do wonder why a given natural substance is OK when some quack uses it “for someone else’s good” but illegal in other circumstances.
Doesn’t it seem just weird to treat one alkaloid with two others?
Burundanga, just say no.
Of course, If it’s George Hunter White and Dr. Gottlieb and LSD, it’s OK. (Waiting … )
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18th August 2012 at 8:19 am
FBD says:
This drug removes all will power and makes the user susceptible to any bullshit suggestion.
Sounds like 99% of the American population on November 6th.
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18th August 2012 at 9:36 am
I wonder says:
if those bath salt stories were really about scopolamine
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18th August 2012 at 12:47 pm
PlatoPlubius says:
Thanks for getting the thread started SSS…I got busy yesterday and couldn’t get back to see if the video got posted by Admin.
Thanks Admin.
@backwardsrevolution
Great point about Sirhan….doesn’t this drug fit nicely into explaining the “hypnonotic-like state” his attorney’s believed he had been put into.
I was researching MKULTRA through Wikipedia and discovered this declassified document
1.Substances which will promote illogical thinking and impulsiveness to the point where the recipient would be discredited in public.
2.Substances which increase the efficiency of mentation and perception.
3.Materials which will cause the victim to age faster/slower in maturity.
4.Materials which will promote the intoxicating effect of alcohol.
5.Materials which will produce the signs and symptoms of recognized diseases in a reversible way so that they may be used for malingering, etc.
6.Materials will cause temporary/permanent brain damage and loss of memory.
7.Substances which will enhance the ability of individuals to withstand privation, torture and coercion during interrogation and so-called “brain-washing”.
8.Materials and physical methods which will produce amnesia for events preceding and during their use.
9.Physical methods of producing shock and confusion over extended periods of time and capable of surreptitious use.
10.Substances which produce physical disablement such as paralysis of the legs, acute anemia, etc.
11.Substances which will produce a chemical that can cause blisters.
12.Substances which alter personality structure in such a way that the tendency of the recipient to become dependent upon another person is enhanced.
13.A material which will cause mental confusion of such a type that the individual under its influence will find it difficult to maintain a fabrication under questioning.
14.Substances which will lower the ambition and general working efficiency of men when administered in undetectable amounts.
15.Substances which promote weakness or distortion of the eyesight or hearing faculties, preferably without permanent effects.
16.A knockout pill which can surreptitiously be administered in drinks, food, cigarettes, as an aerosol, etc., which will be safe to use, provide a maximum of amnesia, and be suitable for use by agent types on an ad hoc basis.
17.A material which can be surreptitiously administered by the above routes and which in very small amounts will make it impossible for a person to perform physical activity.
taken from this pdf here: http://web.archive.org/web/20071128230208/http://www.arts.rpi.edu/~pellr/lansberry/mkultra.pdf
Look at numbers 1, 3, 6, 12, 14…..and remember that these experiments began after WWII and project paperclip in the 1950s/60s!!! Elements within the CIA and private industry have had 50 or so years to perfect ways to keep the population sick and docile….
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18th August 2012 at 1:08 pm
Colma Rising says:
Novista: I checked the wiki too…. So it has medical applications. It also notes the zombification in the video as “urban legend”.
So whos’s the cur who would deny that some ass holding that shit…. the processed powder… is up to anything but the intention of using it for robbing, raping or murdering someone…. or to sell it to someone up to these intentions? I’m talking scopolamine the processed drug, not some seeds to trip ballz in the jungle.
I’m waiting for the rationalizing charlatan who would say otherwise, like a fatass creep with roofies attempting to explain it’s “for body building”. Please, tell us why it would be a personal choice to possess this poison….
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18th August 2012 at 2:46 pm
SSS says:
Colma steps into the breach. Go get ‘em, Tiger.
As to your question about Jeanette’s (Senator Rubio’s wife) caboose, you decide.
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18th August 2012 at 3:07 pm
backwardsevolution says:
Plato Plubius – I would say there is probably a very good chance that Sirhan was under the influence of a drug such as this.
I know the taking away of one’s free will and rendering them utterly compliant is possible because it has happened to me (the sketchy memories of which have only very recently surfaced). Almost all logic and reasoning were gone, as if you were a child in the presence of an authoritative figure.
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18th August 2012 at 6:43 pm
a cruel accountant says:
SSS stated
Let me substitute just one word in your statement. Just one. “Any ACTIVITY that is desired by people legal or not is always available.” Murder, robbery, and rape are always available to every single person on this planet. Always. And those activities are actually desired by some people. But I’ll be damned, they’re illegal everywhere, just like dangerous drugs.
Now, run it by me again why my point is moot. This time with gusto
Sorry SSS wrong again
Murder Rape Robbery is something you do to someone else. There should be consequences.
Drugs on other the other hand are something you do to yourself. If you kill yourself doing drugs, well you are just another Darwin Award winner.
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18th August 2012 at 9:54 pm
FBD says:
“We tried our plan, and it works!”
— President Obama
Clearly, Barry is on Scopolamine.
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18th August 2012 at 1:47 am
Novista says:
Colma
I think you missed the subtext. Hint: I did not use the ” ” … so the non-aggression principle I mentioned is a key point. Tell me, what’s the difference between a quack in a lab coat and a thug with evil intentions?
And, no … I didn’t watch all the videos. The beginning of Part I with the “fraky drug dealer” (right out of central casting) was enough. The recorder/flute was a nice touch … (Remember I was in the biz.)
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18th August 2012 at 8:24 am