I feel like rolling a hand grenade into a crowded room of shit throwing monkeys today. Was Jesus married to Mary Magdalene? Was Jesus really celibate for his whole life or did the Church Heirarchy make that up? Personally, I believe the whole celibacy issue is one of the major problems with priests and the abuse of children. I think women should be allowed to be priests. I think priests should be allowed to get married. I think the Church heirarchy are a corrupt organization of wealthy powerful men that are driving people away from the church.
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Celibacy debate shows our lack of historical knowledge
Wednesday, September 26,2012
Who would have thought that one small piece of papyrus could stir so much explosive debate?
I’m referring, of course, to the recent discovery by a historian of early Christianity at Harvard Divinity School, professor Karen King, of a papyrus fragment that identifies Jesus as referring to Mary Magdalene as “my wife.”
The papyrus fragment is hardly the first piece of evidence that Mary Magdalene was — or may have been — more than just a disciple or a reformed prostitute. An exhibit at the Franklin Institute in Philadelphia on the Dead Sea Scrolls includes two bone-storage boxes that once contained the remains of a married “Jesus son of Joseph.” In addition, according to the Philadelphia Inquirer, the boxes also contained the remains of a woman whose name resembled that of Mary Magdalene.
The papyrus fragment has been peer-reviewed and deemed authentic. The bone-storage boxes have not been conclusively connected to the New Testament. But as we dig deeper into ancient history and find more relics, I predict this question is likely to be debated many times.
The reason there’s so much controversy surrounding this discovery is manifold. Archaeologists and church elders have debated over the centuries whether Jesus was celibate, and if not, what impact that would have on his purity and on his designation as the son of God.
Of course the Catholic Church’s attachment to Jesus as a celibate is most integral to church teachings. It’s why priests, bishops and all church leaders can only be men (in Jesus’ image) and why they must also be celibate.
To an outsider, this debate is specious. It is as completely incapable of being settled definitively as is the location of the Ark of the Covenant (at least as of now) or the very existence of God. We might as well hang it up.
Biblical scholars cannot agree on the precise date the Gospel of Mark was written. Most agree the range would have been sometime between 65 and 70 A.D., or before the destruction of the Jewish Temple. Others argue it could have been much later.
Regardless, Jesus is generally agreed to have died around the age of 33 and many scholars believe that none of the Gospels was written by an eyewitness to Jesus’ life.
Picture yourself among the literate “scholars” of the time. They believed in magic. There was no consensus on why the sun rose and set each day. There were scores of cult leaders and kings proclaiming themselves messiahs, both before and after Jesus’ death, including Alexander the Great.
My favorite take on why this debate continues was written by the Rev. Cynthia Bourgeault, who is a guest blogger for The Washington Post.
She said: “Nowhere in the (Nicene) creed does it specify as an article of belief that Jesus is a celibate, or that his divine status depends on his presumed celibacy. This is all later Christian mid-rash, the product of an increasingly patriarchal and misogynist hierarchy, which for the past 1,600 years has conducted its theological discourse in the hallowed halls of celibates speaking to other celibates. Not only does it not reflect the authentic message that Jesus is teaching; it actively distorts this message.”
The gospels that made the New Testament were chosen by politically-motivated church and state leaders who rejected dozens of other gospels with which they disagreed. This was completed centuries after Jesus’ death, early in the fourth century. What gave them the power to decide what should be included in the Bible and what should not?
The answer is nothing: they had political power and used it to sway church dogma. I urge all believers and non-believers to dig into biblical history. I’m shocked at the number of believers who’ve never read anything outside the Bible or listened to anyone but their pastors or priests on this topic. I hope King’s discovery will create a flurry of people rushing to learn more about how church doctrine came about in the first place.
Bonnie Erbe, a TV host, writes this column for Scripps Howard News Service. Email bonnie.scrippshowardgmail.com.
KaD says:
Actually priests WERE allowed, and expected to, get married until the middle ages. The number of children they had became a problem and the church used the un-natural state of celibacy to deal with it.
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28th September 2012 at 9:56 am
Queceracera says:
Kinda makes ya wonder why God wouldn’t want to sample his creation. I guess he could have made himself asexual, but why? That would be like a cook preparing food that is tasteless. LOL.
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28th September 2012 at 9:56 am
Jeebus, God's Son says:
My Beloved Followers,
Please stop asking stupid questions. It’s one of the reasons I don’t answer your prayers any more. Try to use your brains I gave you. Did I not create the entire Universe? Yes, I did — every single atom in it, every planet, every galaxy, and so on.
Naturally and logically it follows that I created Pussy. I will let you in on a secret …. pussy is the FIRST thing I ever created … ever! Sadly, it started to die right away. So, I created the entire universe … why? … in order to support Pussy!!
So, yeah … it’s a stupid question.
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28th September 2012 at 10:02 am
Administrator says:
How did I know Jeebus would show up?
I’m honored you have the time to monitor TBP with everything going on in the world.
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28th September 2012 at 10:04 am
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28th September 2012 at 10:11 am
Jeebus, God's Son says:
My Beloved Followers,
I was able to find a picture of my very first creation.
Let me point out a few things;
1) The guy in the tree is Lucifer. He’s my brother … according to Mitt Romney.
2) I like plump women, something I wish my retarded servant AWD would grasp.
3) I would have shown you the actual Pussy … but it is not yet time for my servant SSS to enter heaven via a heart attack ….. (not far off, BTW).
4) You probably thought I created only the Pussy. Silly humans! Even I can’t do that. So I created a “life support system” for the Pussy … aka ‘woman”.
5) The Pussy was extremely lonely immediately upon creation. So I created the Penis just five days after creating the sun, earth, solar system, galaxies, and the rest of the universe.
6) Notice that the ideal Penis is actually quite small. I have blessed TBP servants here likewise; specifically Admin, AWD, llpoh, and SSS.
7) My servant Stucky has an enormous penis. (I hate him.)
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28th September 2012 at 10:21 am
Kill Bill says:
The text is written in Coptic which is taken mainly from Greek.
Bing Fu
http://www.answers.com/topic/coptic-alphabet
Was Jesus married? IIRC men didnt grow a beard of that time until they did get married.
I read in the Gospel of Thomas that Jesus said he wanted to make Mary Magdalene as a man.
No, it doesnt mean gay. Men had more rights back then, Other Rabbis didnt agree, apparently and Magdalenes gospel, and Thomas’s was edited out by Constantine who wanted to organize X-ianity.
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28th September 2012 at 10:22 am
John Angelo says:
Jim, thanks for the opportunity to shed some light on this topic.
Did/does Jesus have a bride? Yes. Absolutely. However, the imagery and symbolism of marriage is correctly applied to Jesus and the body of believers collectively known as the Church, NOT Jesus and Mary Magdelene.
Jesus’ bride are those who have trusted in Him as their personal savior. Jesus, as the groom, sacrificially and lovingly chose all who choose to believe in Him (the Church) to be His bride (Ephesians 5:25-27). Just as there was a betrothal period in biblical times during which the bride and groom were separated until the wedding, so is the bride of Christ separate from her Bridegroom during the church age. The Church’s responsibility during the betrothal period is to be faithful to Him (2 Corinthians 11:2; Ephesians 5:24). At the Second Coming of Christ, the Church will be united with the Bridegroom, the official “wedding ceremony” will take place and, with it, the eternal union of Christ and His bride will be actualized (Revelation 19:7-9; 21:1-2).
As a believer in Jesus as the Christ, I am part of the Church. I help constitute the “bride” of Christ, just like Mary Magdelene, nothing more and nothing less.
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28th September 2012 at 10:26 am
Eddie says:
Matthew 18:20 says, “For where two or three are gathered together in My name, I am there in the midst of them.”
This just in:
A recently discovered papyrus fragment found in the debris created by a suicide bomber blowing himself to smithereens somewhere on the West Bank clearly shows that that word “midst” should have been translated as “myths”.
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28th September 2012 at 10:36 am
John Angelo says:
As a follower of Jesus I’m called to speak the truth in love. It would go against my faith to be a s***-throwing monkey. Do crude posts like Stucky’s in an ill-fated attempt at humor provoke my flesh to anger? I’d be lying if I said they didn’t. But my purpose as a follower of Jesus is to share God’s love, not get sidetracked in attacking others for not sharing my beliefs. Who is the actual struggle against? According to Ephesians 6:12, “For we are not fighting against flesh-and-blood enemies, but against evil rulers and authorities of the unseen world, against mighty powers in this dark world, and against evil spirits in the heavenly places.”
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28th September 2012 at 10:49 am
Administrator says:
John Angelo
What do you think about the celibacy rule and women becoming priests?
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28th September 2012 at 10:53 am
AWD says:
You start making fun of Jesus, and you’re just asking for trouble.
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28th September 2012 at 11:03 am
Stucky says:
“Do crude posts like Stucky’s in an ill-fated attempt at humor provoke my flesh to anger? I’d be lying if I said they didn’t …” —- John Angelo
Two things;
1) I guess I now know where the thumbs down are coming from.
2) I DID NOT WRITE IT !!!! Jeebus himself wrote it, I truly believe.
Lemme get this straight; you no doubt believe Jeebus created the entire known universe and is currently keeping it functioning according to Colossians 1:17 — “and by him all things are held together” — and, yet Jeebus can’t write a short post on a blog?? Oh, ye, of little faith!!!!!
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28th September 2012 at 11:04 am
Ron says:
Its not natural to be celibate.The Catholic church has proven that. I dont think women should be priests.
Who knows what Jesus did,my family cant go past my great grandfather,they didnt write anything down.How much is made up? You would have thought the jews would have written much about Jesus,but?
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28th September 2012 at 11:04 am
AWD says:
temptation abounds
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28th September 2012 at 11:08 am
AWD says:
Jesus, King of the Jews, will strike down Iran and cast in into hell along with the antichrist Obama.
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28th September 2012 at 11:14 am
Stucky says:
I am now going to conduct for you curs here an exhaustive and comprehensive analysis of the question, “Was Jesus married?”. I will use only the accepted Canonical gospels (Matt, Mark, Luke, and Johnny). OK , then …
Here is what MATTHEW has to say:
———- oops. NOTHING!!
Here is what MARK has to say:
———- oops. NOTHING!!
Here is what LUKE has to say:
———- oops. NOTHING!!
Here is what JOHN has to say:
———- oops. NOTHING!!
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The absolute undisputable fact of the matter is that the canonical Gospels are completely silent on the matter. We simply cannot know the answer. ANY answer is PURE speculation. Any answer given by Christians that Jeebus was not married is based purely on theological NEED … not actual facts.
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28th September 2012 at 11:17 am
Jimski says:
So someone wrote a story 400 years after someone died and we take that as fact?
Lemme see…… 1612…………what rumor could i start about someone in 1612
Hey did you guys here that robert Cecil, 1st Earl of Salisbury actually faked his death and was seen working at the local pub as a gold changer?
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28th September 2012 at 11:43 am
John Angelo says:
Jim,
I think celibacy as a precondition to positions of leadership in the Church is unbiblical. Celibacy should be a choice, not an imposition. If there is sexual activity among members of the Church, according to scripture it should be between a man and woman that are married to each other. I think it’s wrong for people to seek positions of teaching or authority in the Church in the hopes of constraining their sexual impulses. How’s that worked out? Not so well. Consider Matthew 8:12: “When Jesus came into Peter’s house, he saw Peter’s mother-in-law lying in bed with a fever.” So Peter, whom the Catholic church considers its first pope, was married!
By the way, I keep capitalizing “Church” because regardless of the name on the outside, if you have a gathering of people who believe on the inside that Jesus is Lord, you’re part of the Christian family.
Since I’m not Catholic I can’t speak with authority as to the role of women in the priesthood, but I believe women serve an equally important role in the Church and are equally important to men in God’s eyes. I believe it’s best said in Galatians 3:28: “There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.”
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28th September 2012 at 11:47 am
John Angelo says:
Stucky,
From previous posts and conversations it’s evident that you know a lot of scripture. We’ve had previous discussions and I’ve often appreciated your wit, humor, and practical advice on a wide variety of topics. You’ve been open and honest about personal details of your life most of us would be unwilling to share and I think that’s great. I’m willing to bet you’d be a lot of fun to be around in person and would make a good friend.
You know what upsets me? Is that, please forgive me if I’m wrong, I feel you “get” it, but in the same vein “reject” it when it comes to Christ. You told me yourself in an earlier post that from your 20s through your 40s you were a believer in Christ. However, in seminary school, you challenged the concept of the virgin birth and it seems as though you’ve been on a path leading away from Him since. I feel like Satan got a foothold in your life. I know you’ve experienced hardship in life, having gone through divorce and had difficulties with your son, and it may have been a spiritual attack around the same time as the experience in seminary. I don’t know. It seems like the trials and tribulations of your life have reinforced the stronghold Satan would like to keep against you. Please forgive me as I don’t mean for any of this to be taken personally.
You have a lot of God-given talent that’s evident through your posts. I’d hate for you to experience anything less than God’s best. Whether you believe the following or not, I’m of the belief that once saved is always saved and that you’re a brother of mine in Christ, regardless where you might currently “be” in life.
I don’t know what else to say except that I’m praying for you and hope God richly blesses your life as you seek Him.
All my best,
John Angelo
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28th September 2012 at 12:25 pm
Oscar Mannheim says:
Try having all this fun with the Jews or the Muslims and see what happens. Go ahead, put up some funny pictures! Give your name and address. Whether you believe in the Christian stuff or not, you might take note that if you’re of European ancestry, it was the Church that in large measure created Western civilization. When it’s been obliterated by Mammon and his minions, perhaps Jesus won’t seem like such a comical character after all. Me, I’m a Zen practitioner for over forty years now, so that makes me a non-believer in ALL the religions of the “Book,” but I’m of western European ancestry and believe in tribal loyalty (just like the Jews and Muslims), so I have no interest in ridiculing what amounts to a tribal totem. Christianity has a worthwhile ethical and moral code whatever you might believe about its metaphysical notions. Abandon it and enjoy the 30 blocks of squalor and Lloyd Blankfein’s beliefs on the proper handling of the ignorant, unwashed cattle as in you and yours. The Catholic Church has been completely infiltrated and corrupted and thus discredited by the legion of pedophile poofters masquerading as priests. But the Benedictine motto “Ora et Labora” is what true Catholicism and thus Christianity is all about. That’s something in which you can believe and take to the bank, so to speak. I did. And I ain’t no hamster in a cage like I’d be willing to bet many of you jokers are. Keep on suckin’ that circumcised cock, consumers! The folks watching you make fun of your culture’s principle icon are laughing all the way to the bank.
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28th September 2012 at 12:28 pm
Bob says:
Admin says: “Personally, I believe the whole celibacy issue is one of the major problems with priests and the abuse of children. I think women should be allowed to be priests. I think priests should be allowed to get married. I think the Church heirarchy are a corrupt organization of wealthy powerful men that are driving people away from the church.”
I agree. Some say Jesus could not have been a real man, or represented mankind in its human condition, unless he lived as a sexual being. I tend to agree with that, though I also believe that some relatively few hardy souls (more female than male) have sacrificed part of themselves this way in hopes of further gloifying God.
Faith and belief are separate and apart from religion and church — faith and belief are spiritual, while religion and churches are man-made, imperfect and distorted.
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28th September 2012 at 12:32 pm
S Varghese says:
John, You said it right Jesus indeed has a bride and that is His Church. Now fallen human beings will never understand marriage except from a flesly standpoint. For men, marriage means a man and a woman and a physical sexual relationship and children.
But I believe marriage is much more than that. Marriage is a spiritual union first and when it was applied to humans the fleshly aspect was introduced. When looking from a spiritual vantage point marriage is the union of Jesus Christ and His church which brings forth more spritual children into the fold.
I do not understand why would people dig out so called papyruses to prove Jesus was gay or He was married. Now everyone has their right to opinion, but then to it is so easy to understand that there is so much hatred against the Son of man who asked His followers to love those who hate them.
It is true that His followers have not behaved as the Son of God wanted them to, but then He who cried out “Father, Forgive them for they know not what they do” is hardly at wrong.
Anyway to every man his own after all no man can give an account for others on the day of judgment.
God Bless.
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28th September 2012 at 12:40 pm
ThePessimisticChemist says:
Was he magical? Nah.
Was he married? Nah.
Did he get laid? Fuck yeah, like a rock star.
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28th September 2012 at 1:10 pm
flash says:
So a Harvard divinity dyke finds a scrap of supposed ancient scrap of papyrus by an unknown author seemingly saying Jesus had a wife and agnostics and atheists alike jump on this bandwagon to use it as a tool designed to deny Jesus’s purity , holiness and Godliness.
Sorry bitcheZ,but 2500 hundred years of strong historical Christian tradition says Jesus was not married and no scrap of esoteric paper will change that.
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/markdroberts/series/was-jesus-married-a-careful-look-at-the-real-evidence/
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28th September 2012 at 1:20 pm
flash says:
The power of prayer trumps a scrap of nonsense every time.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/nebraska-man-23-heart-transplant-miracle-recovery-article-1.1167774
Nebraska man in need of heart transplant instead has ‘miracle’ recovery
Pharmacy student Michael Crowe, 23, went to an Omaha hospital in August with an inflammation of the heart muscle.
By Victoria Cavaliere / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Michael Crowe, a second-year UNMC pharmacy student, talks about his recovery at the Nebraska Medical Center on Wednesday, Sept. 20, 2012. Crowe was admitted to the hospital about three weeks ago suffering from a stomach virus, which then lead to heart failure.
Ryan Soderlin/Omaha World-Herald
Michael Crowe, a second-year UNMC pharmacy student, talks about his recovery at the Nebraska Medical Center on Wednesday, Sept. 20, 2012. Crowe was admitted to the hospital about three weeks ago suffering from a virus, which then led to heart failure.
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A 23-year-old Nebraska man suffering from toxic blood poisoning stunned doctors after undergoing a “miraculous” recovery in which his failing heart suddenly mended itself.
Doctors still don’t have any medical answers as to how Michael Crowe overcame an ailment that caused his heart to shut down. His family credits good medical work and prayer.
Crowe, a second year student at the University of Nebraska Medical Center College of Pharmacy, was sent to an Omaha hospital in mid-August where he was diagnosed with acute myocarditis, or inflammation of the heart muscle, The Omaha World-Herald reported.
Crowe’s symptoms had started out like flu and quickly worsened, his family said.
As Crowe’s heart shut down, his other organs also were starting to fail, the Herald reported. He was was dianosed with blood poisoning, on a full heart and lung machine and needing daily blood transfusions. Doctors have him a 30 percent chance of recovery.
His stricken family got Crowe on a heart transplant list, fearing it was the only way he might survive.
On Labor Day, their prayers came true but were quickly dashed when doctors said they had found a transplant heart, but thought Crowe was too sick to receive it.
“Our joy of ‘Yay, there’s a heart!’ went to devastation,” sister Christy Crowe said.
But just hours later, one of Crowe’s physicians, Dr. Eugenia Raichlin, noticed the young man’s blood pressure increasing on its own.
What happened next was a rapid succession of improvements as his body began fighting off the blood infection.
Nobody can be sure exactly how it happened, but doctors said his heart slowly began working again.
Earlier this month, his breathing tube came out and an MRI of his heart didn’t find permanent damage or scars.
“We think this is miracle,” Dr. Raichlin said.
Crowe’s family agrees.
“It just truly is a medical miracle,” his mother, Margie Crowe, said. “Excellent medical care and, I think, the power of prayer.”
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28th September 2012 at 1:24 pm
Stucky says:
Flash
You are truly a world class idiot.
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28th September 2012 at 1:38 pm
flash says:
Stcuk coming from turd measuring sicko-slut such as yourself., I’ll take that as a compliment….
More on the cryptic Coptic scrap of paper that proclaims Jesus was married….not so fast bitchez..
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/21/us/papyrus-fragment-that-refers-to-jesus-wife-stirs-debate.html
And weigh in, they have. A few said that the papyrus must be a forgery. Others have questioned Dr. King’s interpretation of its meaning. Some have faulted her for publishing a paper on an item of unknown provenance. And many have criticized her decision to give the scrap of papyrus the attention-getting title “The Gospel of Jesus’s Wife,” as if it had equal weight to other, lengthier texts that are known as Gospels.
But even some of those casting doubt are also applauding her work. Many scholars said in interviews that they were excited by the discovery, because if it is genuine, it suggests at least one community of early adherents to Christianity believed that Jesus was married.
“It’s obviously an important find,” said Carl R. Holladay, professor of New Testament studies at the Candler School of Theology at Emory University.
However, he added, “The circumstances in which it’s come to light really require all scholars to be really cautious about how we proceed.”
Dr. King has reiterated that the fragment is not proof that Jesus was married because it was most likely written three and a half centuries after his death, making it historically unreliable. She has emphasized that the fragment is merely a glimpse of a discussion among early Christians about whether their savior was married or celibate.
Despite her cautions, the finding has prompted “Jesus Was Married” headlines around the world — and jokes about Mrs. Jesus’ “honey-do” list.
The papyrus fragment, which measures only about 1 ½ by 3 inches, is written in Coptic that Dr. King says is consistent with writing seen in fourth-century Egypt. It is roughly rectangular, torn on all four sides, so that each line of text is incomplete. The ink on the front side contains eight lines, dark enough to be legible. Line 4 purportedly says, “Jesus said to them, ‘My wife…’ ”
Other phrases in the text suggest that it is an account of a dialogue between Jesus and his disciples, Dr. King maintains. According to her translation, Line 3 includes the words “Mary is worthy of it.” Line 5, immediately after the line about Jesus’ wife, says, “…she will be able to be my disciple.” Line 7 says, “As for me, I dwell with her in order to…”
In Rome, Dr. King presented a paper on the papyrus on Tuesday at a meeting of the International Association of Coptic Studies. The Associated Press quoted several of her colleagues there as saying that the handwriting, grammar and shape of the fragment made them suspect it was forged. (Several of those scholars did not respond to e-mails or to phone messages.).
Reached at her hotel in Rome, Dr. King said that as soon as she returns to the United States, she plans to have the ink on the fragment tested to determine whether it is truly ancient.
“The testing won’t be definitive, but it will be one more piece” of evidence, she said. She already had it examined by two papyrologists and a Coptic linguist, who deemed it most likely authentic.
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28th September 2012 at 1:47 pm
Persnickety says:
@Oscar Mannheim: look up what Ann Barnhardt has done. She’s still alive and unharmed. All the whipped-up fake protests against cartoonists, etc. are just that.
http://barnhardt.biz/
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28th September 2012 at 2:02 pm
Stucky says:
“You know what upsets me? Is that, please forgive me if I’m wrong, I feel you “get” it,” – John Angelo
John, you are a decent fellow. VERY decent. It would be a blast to have coffee and pie with you to discuss this stuff.
You are actually wrong. I don’t “get it” at all. The more I read/learn/study anything related to spiritual matters, the more I realize I don’t know jack-shit. Not kidding. Knowing a bunch of facts does not necessarily lead to clearer understanding.
I would have been much better off simply accepting what I learned in Catechism Class in Saint Peter’s Catholic School in Newark, NJ, rather than continue studies throughout my life. Ignorance would have been bliss …. For me. But, I continued to question everything. For some, the answers they find in such such endeavors strengthen their faith. For me, quite the opposite. It is what it is. You aren’t the only one trying to pray my sorry-assed soul back into heaven. Lol Good luck wif dat.
Regarding the “offensive” pictures. I don’t do so to piss you or other believers off. (Again, assuming I posted them … which I did not … Jeebus did!) I don’t even do it to be funny … although I think it’s hilarious, imho. I do it to stimulate …. thinking. Absurdities make people think more than ho-hummity blasé’ pics.
For example, take the “Jesus loves pussy” pic. I could have posted a pic of a pretty lady, fully clothed, no cleavage showing, and said something boring about how sex is part of Gods plan, Jesus is not against sex, and that as a man surely Jesus would have at least thought about sex … at least once in his life … blah, blah, blah, blah. B-o-r-i-n-g!
Now … “Jesus loves pussy!” …. that’s an attention getter!!! And really, it says EXACTLY the same thing as the boring shit in the above paragraph. It SHOULD make a person think about things they hardly ever think about … “hey, Jesus liked sex!”, maybe not in actuality, but almost certainly in thought.
Lastly, let me assume that Jesus actually exists. Do you think the three word sentence “Jesus likes pussy.”, is offensive to him? Think about the MASSIVE HUMAN MISERY Jesus has seen for 5,000+ years; the countless rapes, murders, child abuse, starvation, disease, suffering, etc etc that is ever before him. Three stupid words typed by a moron is gonna bother him?? Nah!!! I’m betting his response would be, “You’re damn straight I like it!” lol
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28th September 2012 at 2:35 pm
Stucky says:
Now that we’ve dispensed the idea that the Bible actually tells us Jesus’ marital status, it is fair game to look for clues outside of the bible.
Frankly, I see zero evidence that Jeebus remained single. So, maybe John Angelo can give evidence … other than that “heavenly bride” stuff. (Not that there’s anything wrong with “spiritualizing” Scripture, or using allegorical interpretation …. it’s just not that useful in real life.)
Circumstantial evidence Jeebus may have been married ……
1)- The Old Testament CELEBRATES sexual union. See, Song of Solomon, a book many wanted to vote out of the bible because of its highly sexual nature. What is the first thing God told Adam? “Go fuck your wife!!” … paraphrased, of course.
2)- Jesus was a Rabbi. The social norm during Jesus’ time virtually forbid a Jewish man to be unmarried, especially mores o for a Rabbi. According to Jewish custom and teachings from the Midrash (accepted Jewish commentary and interpretation of Torah) celibacy was actually condemned.
3) Apostle Paul was married. Jesus’ disciples were married. It is possible they were following the Master’s example.
So when did sex become a bad thing? You can thank the passage of time, and Catholics. From Jesus death through Constantine’s Edict of Milan in 311, Christianity was pressed through the mold of competing Gospels, Greek philosophy and early Christian asceticism. Constantine’s “legalized” Christianity emerged in a totally different shape from the original form. Bizarre doctrines — which would have been anathema to Jesus — multiplied like rabbits. One such new belief was that sexual intimacy between husband and wife was now a mere physical necessity …. not a wonderful and celebrated part of God’s creation.
It amazes me that while Christians throughout the ages believe that Jesus was fully God and FULLY HUMAN …. that they will then turn around and deny that Jesus participated in the most human endeavor of all … sex. There is something fundamentally wrong and illogical in that line of thinking.
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28th September 2012 at 2:44 pm
card802 says:
It takes just as much faith not to believe what you can’t prove as it takes to believe what you can’t prove.
Goddamn goat fucking heathens.
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28th September 2012 at 4:00 pm
Jeebus, God's Son says:
Hey Believers!
Did you see my boy, NetanYahJoo, speaking at the UN today?? Was that guy on fire, or what? Like a Moses at the burning bush, I tell ya.
Speaking of which, just like I myself hardened Pharaoh’s heart, leading to his total destruction, I have also hardened that crazy mooslim Ahmadinnerjacket’s heart. That sumvabitch is goin’ down!! And it ain’t with no fuckin’ frogs and locusts this time. My peeps (Joos) got Nukes this time!!
Speaking of Mooslims …. Some of you have emailed me a question recently; “Why didn’t you kill that ONE guy when you had a chance?”
It’s a darn good question. I mean, about 8.7 Billion Mooslims have come and gone since 622AD. They are all going to hell where they will burn and suffer terribly forever and ever. (Sorry, it’s one of My Rules and I can’t change mid-stream.) Also, many tens upon tens of thousands of people of other faiths wouldn’t have been murdered. Yeah, all that misery and hate would never have happened had I wacked that goat fucker in the womb. All I can say is, I fucked up bad. Real bad. Sorry about that.
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28th September 2012 at 4:14 pm
flash says:
Stuck, can you elaborate on a turd length for what you would consider a successful dump?
And, has your alleged masturbatory skill ever effected your eyesight?
but, I’m sure your self -inflicted pregnancy was a difficult one..
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bb/Central_Obesity_008.jpg/575px-Central_Obesity_008.jpg
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28th September 2012 at 4:58 pm
flash says:
Hot debate. What do you think?
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28th September 2012 at 4:59 pm
Stucky says:
flash
Your attempt at humor is completely out of context with anything in this thread. Therefore, it is not funny.
If you are attempting to piss me off … well, another fail. Whenever I read one of Jeebus’ posts, I am immediately filled with the Holy Spirit. Serenity now!!!
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28th September 2012 at 5:07 pm
flash says:
SIS- Jesus was a Rabbi. The social norm during Jesus’ time virtually forbid a Jewish man to be unmarried, especially mores o for a Rabbi. According to Jewish custom and teachings from the Midrash (accepted Jewish commentary and interpretation of Torah) celibacy was actually condemned.
Stuck in stupidity… your ignorance doth shine bright.All teachings of Jesus where condemned by the PHARISEE controlled Midrash
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/markdroberts/series/was-jesus-married-a-careful-look-at-the-real-evidence/
Excursus: Unmarried Jewish Men in the Time of Jesus
Two prominent Jewish writers from the first-century A.D., Philo and Josephus, mention that some Jewish men in the time of Jesus were single by choice. Philo, a contemporary of Jesus, was a Jewish philosopher who lived in Alexandria, Egypt, and who wrote many volumes in the first half of the century. Josephus was a Jewish historian who wrote near the end of the century. Both Philo and Josephus mention that the Essenes, a group of apocalyptic Jews who eagerly awaited God’s intervention in history, did not marry by choice. Here are excerpts from their writings:
Philo, Hypothetica 11.14-17
Again, perceiving with more than ordinary acuteness and accuracy, what is alone or at least above all other things calculated to dissolve such associations, they repudiate marriage; and at the same time they practise continence in an eminent degree; for no one of the Essenes ever marries a wife . . . . This now is the enviable system of life of these Essenes, so that not only private individuals but even mighty kings, admiring the men, venerate their sect, and increase their dignity and majesty in a still higher degree by their approbation and by the honours which they confer on them.
Josephus, Jewish War, 2.8.2
These Essenes reject pleasures as an evil, but esteem continence, and the conquest over our passions, to be virtue. They neglect wedlock, but choose out other persons’ children, while they are pliable, and fit for learning, and esteem them to be of their kindred, and form them according to their own manners. They do not absolutely deny the fitness of marriage, and the succession of mankind thereby continued; but they guard against the lascivious behavior of women, and are persuaded that none of them preserve their fidelity to one man.
Josephus, Antiquities 18.1.5
It also deserves our admiration, how much [the Essenes] exceed all other men that addict themselves to virtue, and this in righteousness; and indeed to such a degree, that as it hath never appeared among any other men, neither Greeks nor barbarians, no, not for a little time, so hath it endured a long while among them. This is demonstrated by that institution of theirs, which will not suffer any thing to hinder them from having all things in common; so that a rich man enjoys no more of his own wealth than he who hath nothing at all. There are about four thousand men that live in this way, and neither marry wives, nor are desirous to keep servants; as thinking the latter tempts men to be unjust, and the former gives the handle to domestic quarrels; but as they live by themselves, they minister one to another.
There can be no doubt that many Essenes (scholars say that some might have been married) chose to be unmarried. According to Philo and Josephus, they did so because they thought that women had a negative impact on men. There’s no reason to believe that Jesus shared this perspective. But He did join the Essenes in accepting an apocalyptic worldview that anticipated the coming of God’s kingdom. This, as we’ll see tomorrow, helps to explain Jesus’s unusual attitude toward singleness and marriage.
Hot debate. What do you think?
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28th September 2012 at 5:14 pm
flash says:
Stuck if you want to be a comedian, audition for the Jon Stewart show or Tosh2.0 …you son of jeebus shit pales in comparison.
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28th September 2012 at 5:17 pm
Stucky says:
“Stuck in stupidity… your ignorance doth shine bright. All teachings of Jesus where condemned by the PHARISEE controlled Midrash” ——- flash
Wow. Your ignorance in matters scriptural is breathtaking. Literally. With all honesty, I have never read a dumber sentence here on TBP ever.
I am going to respond briefly to your statement. Not for your sake, however. I am responding so other people reading won’t fall into the same ignorant hole wherein you reside.
1.) When Jesus opened the Scriptures and taught in the synagogue ….. WHICH Scripture did he teach from???? The New Testament? lmfao!! His teachings came from the Old Testament.
2.) Jesus came to FULLFILL the law … not abolish it.
3) Jesus did NOT invent new laws. Even the well known commandment to “love your neighbor as yourself” comes from the Old Testament.
4) Pick up a Bible with cross references in the margins. For every one of Jesus teachings, you will find an Old Testament reference.
See what I mean? Flash is not too smart, not when it comes to Scripture.
Lastly, Jesus had at least one close friend who was a Pharisee. And if you do your research you will find a good many scholars who believe that Jesus himself was a Pharisee. (A smaller minority believe he was an Essene).
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28th September 2012 at 5:50 pm
Stucky says:
Regarding your article; “Unmarried Jewish Men in the Time of Jesus”.
First, it is a question of probability. Yes, there were unmarried Jews in Jesus’ time (Never said there wasn’t). However, this is the exception, not the norm. So, if 98% of Jewish men in Jesus’ time were married and 2% were not …. then the statistical probability is that Jesus was married.
The real question is whether Jesus was a Pharisee or Essene. If a Pharisee, the probability is he was married. Not so much if he was an Essene, due to reasons the article stated.
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28th September 2012 at 5:57 pm
Stucky says:
Regarding your lame attempt to insult/stir shit at 5:17PM
I have seen you do the same to HZK, llpoh, AWD, etc. etc. hahaha As I said, it is LAME. It has ZERO effect on me. However, feel free to continue being a buffoon.
This is the last I will speak of it. Believe it or not, I am very good at ignoring idiotic comments.
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28th September 2012 at 6:02 pm
Mojo says:
Read Caesar’s Massaih or just wait for the documentary in theaters on Sept. 28 and you can pitch this whole question. Turns out there’s proof positive, really, like irrefutable, that the entire Gospels were written by Roman Imperial Court.
“This latest ground-breaking work in Christian scholarship reveals a new and revolutionary understanding of the origin of Christianity, explaining what is the New Testament, who is the real Jesus, and how Christ’s second coming already occurred. The book Caesar’s Messiah shows that Jesus was the invention of the Roman Imperial Court. Their purpose: to offer a vision of a “peaceful Messiah” who would serve as an alternative to the revolutionary leaders who were rocking first-century Israel and threatening Rome. This discovery is based on the parallels found between the Gospels and the works of the historian Josephus, which occur IN SEQUENCE. ”
Check here http://caesarsmessiah.com/ and then move on.This is old news… I mean REALLY OLD!
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28th September 2012 at 6:02 pm
Stucky says:
Mojo
Looking forward to the movie …. thanks for posting!
It is based on a book by the same name. Their website says it’s out of print …. but I have it in my library. HA!
I will say it has some very interesting theories. I will also say it has gained virtually no traction or support amongst other scholars … anywhere.
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28th September 2012 at 6:09 pm
John Angelo says:
Thanks, Stucky. I’d be glad to sit down one day. Typing these responses on an iPhone is not so much fun! Did I read that you were no longer in NJ but in MD?
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28th September 2012 at 6:44 pm
AWD says:
Stucky is one of God’s favorite sons. He gave the Stuckenmigrant deliverance from Austria, set him up real nice in the U.S., and gave him skills. Don’t get on his bad side, though.
“Thanks, Stucky. I’d be glad to sit down one day.”
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28th September 2012 at 6:55 pm
AWD says:
This is proof positive that Jesus did “get some”
A picture of Jesus with his son:
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28th September 2012 at 6:56 pm
Stucky says:
AWD —– Salzburg, Austria to Newark, NJ …. I dunno, I see that as proof there is no God!
John Angelo — I went to Michigan for a brief while. I am back In America’s armpit, NJ.
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28th September 2012 at 7:20 pm
Average_Dumbass_American says:
@ Admin
When you are dealing with the Shit Throwing Monkeys you need more than a grenade…more like this….
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28th September 2012 at 8:18 pm
Persnickety says:
“I went to Michigan for a brief while. I am back In America’s armpit, NJ.”
Assuming you didn’t go to the nice part of Michigan (basically anywhere more than 60 miles from Detroit, with a couple small exceptions like Saginaw), I have to say that this quote neatly sums up my experience in and impressions of New Jersey.
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28th September 2012 at 9:07 pm
Kill Bill says:
Blow my giant pizzle A_D_A
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28th September 2012 at 9:08 pm
Novista says:
flash
Thanks for one cut’n'paste which was supposed to prove something, supporting your position … but this line caught my eye:
“most likely written three and a half centuries after his death, making it historically unreliable.”
Hmmmm …
And another thing. Such a nice misogynist theme those early compilers of holy books had, from Lilith to Eve and then Mary Magdalene. All that ‘obedience good’ and independence just demonic.
Why does Islam revere Jesus as a prophet? I myself was looking at the prophet and loss statement last week and it was negative.
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28th September 2012 at 9:47 pm
crazyivan says:
Religion is the opiate of the masses.
Proof: not one person here has been called a douchebag.
Sad. So very sad.
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28th September 2012 at 11:09 pm
SAH says:
For the first 1200 years of the Catholic Church, only small bands of hermited Monks were celebate. Priests, Bishops and even 39 Popes were married. It was the Church’s greed over inheritances and political power that caused them to require celibacy during the Middle Ages for Priests to be Clerics (that is, part of the organized power structure of the church). Even today in the USA there are tens of thousands of ordained Catholic Priests who are married. They do not lose Priesthood for marrying, they only get kicked out of being Clerics. The first “Pope” Peter was of course married, and his wife and inlaws are both spoken of in the scriptures. The last Pope – John Paul – affirmed that celibacy was not a requirement of the priesthood. Celibacy is an unnatural and unholy state, and celibacy was a later man made invention of the greedy and power hungry Catholic Church to serve its own twisted and wicked ends.
Jesus said, in John 14:6 “I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” The very concept of Catholic Canon Law and of the Pope acting as Christ on Earth is anti-Biblical, and against the very essence of the teachings of Christ.
Matthew 7:15 makes a very specific adminition to Christians, “Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.” I cannot think of any description more fitting of the Roman Catholic Church.
Matthew 7:18 goes on to explain that you will know a tree by its fruits, “A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.” The Catholic Church brings forth evil fruits. It is not a holy institution.
I understand that many good people have been raised in this institution, and that Catholics are not encouraged to read the primary source of Christianity – The Bible. I would challenge all Catholics to read the actual Bible and decide for themselves if Roman Catholicism is truly a Christ-based organization.
By the way, did you guys ever read about the Pew survey that showed that Agnostics and Atheists know more about religion than Religious people do?
http://m.theatlanticwire.com/national/2010/09/why-do-atheists-know-more-about-religion/22880/
Perhaps the more you know, the less likely you are to believe? Kind of like how it works with Politics, Government, and the Economy? Think for yourselves, TBP Catholics. Don’t be blind sheeple on this. Even if you want to believe in Jesus, for Christsakes read and learn the Bible. The Catholic Church is an evil sham.
Your Friendly TBP Agnostic,
SAH
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28th September 2012 at 12:54 am
flash says:
Stucky, I wouldn’t dare attempt to usurp your status as shit stirring doppelganger extraordinaire , but fact of the matter is while Jesus fulfilled the tenants of the old covenant (law dealing with sin) , he also created a new convent with all people to defeat sin.
The old testament law no longer applies Christians.
I didn’t spend my entire adult life sitting on my fat ass behind a keyboard typing up mortgage contracts, so typing is not my forte’, so I’ll c&p this instead.
BTW. I don’t have the moobs either..
So, dip into this conversation if you want to show off your scripture knowledge.
http://voxday.blogspot.com/2012/09/christians-and-law.html
Christians and the Law
The responsibility of Christians to obey the Law of Moses is a subject that comes up from time to time, which always surprises me because the Bible is perfectly clear on the matter. While it is understandable, though not excusable, that atheists regularly confuse Christianity with Judaism when attempting to criticize the former, it is absolutely bizarre that some Christians are still under the impression that they have an obligation to abide by Jewish Law.
Christians are not Jews. Christians are not obligated to follow Mosaic Law. Ask any Jew, he should be able to confirm it. As will the Bible, in Acts 15:
The Council at Jerusalem
Certain people came down from Judea to Antioch and were teaching the believers: “Unless you are circumcised, according to the custom taught by Moses, you cannot be saved.” This brought Paul and Barnabas into sharp dispute and debate with them. So Paul and Barnabas were appointed, along with some other believers, to go up to Jerusalem to see the apostles and elders about this question. The church sent them on their way, and as they traveled through Phoenicia and Samaria, they told how the Gentiles had been converted. This news made all the believers very glad. When they came to Jerusalem, they were welcomed by the church and the apostles and elders, to whom they reported everything God had done through them.Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, “The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to keep the law of Moses.”
The apostles and elders met to consider this question. After much discussion, Peter got up and addressed them: “Brothers, you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe. God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us. He did not discriminate between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith. Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear? No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.”
The whole assembly became silent as they listened to Barnabas and Paul telling about the signs and wonders God had done among the Gentiles through them. When they finished, James spoke up. “Brothers,” he said, “listen to me. Simon has described to us how God first intervened to choose a people for his name from the Gentiles. The words of the prophets are in agreement with this, as it is written:
‘After this I will return and rebuild David’s fallen tent.
Its ruins I will rebuild, and I will restore it,
That the rest of mankind may seek the Lord,
Even all the Gentiles who bear my name,
Says the Lord, who does these things,
Things known from long ago.
“It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood. For the law of Moses has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath.”
The Council’s Letter to Gentile Believers
Then the apostles and elders, with the whole church, decided to choose some of their own men and send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas. They chose Judas (called Barsabbas) and Silas, men who were leaders among the believers. With them they sent the following letter:
The apostles and elders, your brothers,
To the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia:
Greetings.
We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said. So we all agreed to choose some men and send them to you with our dear friends Barnabas and Paul— men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore we are sending Judas and Silas to confirm by word of mouth what we are writing. It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things.
Farewell.
So the men were sent off and went down to Antioch, where they gathered the church together and delivered the letter. The people read it and were glad for its encouraging message. Judas and Silas, who themselves were prophets, said much to encourage and strengthen the believers. After spending some time there, they were sent off by the believers with the blessing of peace to return to those who had sent them. But Paul and Barnabas remained in Antioch, where they and many others taught and preached the word of the Lord.
The fact that Jesus Christ did not abolish the Law says nothing about its continued inapplicability to those who are not Jews. In fact, to claim it now applies to non-Jews when it did not before on the basis of Matthew 5:17-20 is clearly self-contradictory, for the obvious reason that making it applicable to people to whom it did not previously apply would be changing the letter of it. Note particularly how Jesus states even those who “sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly” will still nevertheless be part of the kingdom of heaven.
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28th September 2012 at 5:45 am
wordman says:
The Psalms were written before Jesus walked on the earth, but the spoke of him. Any characterization of Jesus that leaves these attributes out, spoken of here in the second Psalm, is disingenuous.
Why do the nations rage
and the peoples plot in vain?
The kings of the earth set themselves,
and the rulers take counsel together,
against the LORD and against his Anointed, saying,
“Let us burst their bonds apart
and cast away their cords from us.”
He who sits in the heavens laughs;
the Lord holds them in derision.
Then he will speak to them in his wrath,
and terrify them in his fury, saying,
“As for me, I have set my King
on Zion, my holy hill.”
I will tell of the decree:
The LORD said to me, “You are my Son;
today I have begotten you.
Ask of me, and I will make the nations your heritage,
and the ends of the earth your possession.
You shall break them with a rod of iron
and dash them in pieces like a potter’s vessel.”
Now therefore, O kings, be wise;
be warned, O rulers of the earth.
Serve the LORD with fear,
and rejoice with trembling.
Kiss the Son,
lest he be angry, and you perish in the way,
for his wrath is quickly kindled.
Blessed are all who take refuge in him.
(Psalm 2 )
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28th September 2012 at 6:24 am
Zarathustra says:
SAH, What the fuck does questioning catholic dogma have to do with agnosticism? There are other faiths.
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28th September 2012 at 6:49 am
flash says:
novista, I put as much stock in you opinion of Christianity as I do in you Adam smiths invisible hand manipulating a faux free market blather which is to say none whatsoever..
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28th September 2012 at 7:02 am
Nonanonymous says:
Most people would be surprised to know that Jesus had brothers and sisters.
However, the bible does not mention anywhere what he looks like, whether he married, or whether he ever had sex. To speculate on these matters is pure conjecture and counter-productive.
The bible does say, “For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin.
(Hebrews 4:15 ESV)”
So, it’s not that he was never tempted, it says he remained without sin. Sex outside of marriage was considered sin, so he would have had to have been married to have sex. A wife would have accompanied him, but there is no mention of her, which seems rather odd. So, without any scriptural reference to the affirmative, most likely he was not, and it doesn’t matter anyway, since there is no reference to it, either way.
Neither does his physical appearance matter, however, being the Son of God, I would expect he was rather striking in appearance. Had he procreated, there would have been endless division over his bloodline! So, I would expect in his infinite wisdom, Jesus neither married, had sex, nor procreated. Sucks for him, but he had a job to do, for which all of us can be eternally grateful.
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28th September 2012 at 8:59 am
Stucky says:
Whether Jesus was “handsome” or “ugly” or somewhere in between is even more futile than asking about his marital status. Dumber, too.
What difference does it make? People want to believe that Jesus was handsome. But that’s nothing more than a reflection of a sick culture which places so much value on outward appearances. Jesus the movie star. Bah!!!
Two questions arise; 1) Does God value ‘handsomeness? (unlikely) 2) But, if so, does God’s “handsome” match 21st century American ideals? (Highly unlikely)
The only possible scripture reference concerning Jesus would be the Messianic prophecy in Isaiah 52: —- “ … he had no form or comeliness that we should look at him, and no beauty that we should desire him.”. That certainly doesn’t sound like a handsome description, does it?
Here’s what Jesus probably really looked like. Discovery Channel and their various experts recreated the face on the Shroud of Turin. Personally, I think the shroud is a hoax. However, this picture surely is an accurate picture of what a first century Jew looked like ….. rather than the American hippie shit we’re used to.
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28th September 2012 at 9:58 am
Jeebus, God's Son says:
Stucky,
Blow me.
This is what I really look like.
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28th September 2012 at 10:01 am
SAH says:
@Zarathustra – is this thread about faith and religion in general? I thought the original post wa sort of pointed toward Roman Catholicism, since it seemed to be primarily talking about Jesus’ celibacy, celibacy in the Roman Catholic priesthood, and apocryphal texts (generally it was the Catholic Church in times past who decided what was apocryphal or not).
But hey, we can open this up to other faiths and religions and why I personally dont believe in any of them. Which ones do you want to discuss, Zara? Judaism? Islam? Hinduism? Protestant Reformation? The American “Butned Over District” that gave rise to a great Prophet Generation invented ‘new christianities’ of Mormonism, Christian Scientists, Seventh Day Adventists, Jehovah’s Witnesses etc? How about Moonies? Satanism? How about Ancient ones like Norse paganism? Ancient Egyptian monotheism ala Akhenaten? How about the parallels between the Ancient Egyptian Cult of Isis, with it’s resurrection story with Christianity? Roman paganism, and the apotheosis of Roman Emporers into the Pantheon of the Gods? Vedic Astrology, Jainism, Sikhism? Mahayana Buddhism? Hinayana Buddhism? New Age pseudo animism? How about Sufi Mysticism? Zoroastrianism – is that more what you’d be into Zara? Pray tell, which faith shall I cast my lot with? I’m very open minded and have studied them all.
What is clear to me is that the way to have a high probability of wasting your life in devotion to something that is completely wrong is to have faith. All of the above HAVE FAITH that they have the truth but the rest are wrong (except the Mahayana Buddhists). Certainly they can’t all be right. The value, in my mind, of studying religions is to understand the pathetic human condition more fully — the gullible nativity of humans who will live their lives, self-castrate, self-immolate, genocide, suicide bomb, and enslave other humans in the name of ‘God’.
I have NO faith in THEOLOGY. None of them. However, I don’t claim to know everything so I will not call myself an Atheist as it is a leap of faith in itself (although I think chanes are pretty good the Atheists are correct). At most I might be able to consider myself a Deist. But THEOLOGY is horse shit, and any rational person knows that.
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28th September 2012 at 10:02 am
SAH says:
@Stucky, you’ve posted the most intelligent stuff on this thread of BS. If you are ginna send me that Joan Rivers book, please throw in Caesar’s Messiah – that looks quite interesting.
Hot debate. What do you think?
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28th September 2012 at 10:06 am
Nonanonymous says:
Stuck, thanks for the Isaiah reference. You’re correct.
The context of the reference is Christ in his humiliated state, beaten, flogged, tortured, sodomized, spat upon, in fact, he endured more than any man ever has, or ever will.
“As many were astonished at you— his appearance was so marred, beyond human semblance, and his form beyond that of the children of mankind—”
(Isaiah 52:14 ESV)
That is not to say that Jesus wasn’t handsome, as one might expect the genetic Son of God to be.
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28th September 2012 at 11:06 am
John Angelo says:
@SAH: Thanks for the commentary. You’ve listed a number of religions of various faith and creed. I don’t have a *religion* nor am I *religious* as one might define it. I have a relationship with God the Father through his intermediary, God the Son (Jesus). How did I come about this relationship? Through faith alone. I didn’t have to *do* anything, which is what makes my relationship unique. Jesus *did* it all by his sacrificial death and resurrection. While religions say “do,” Christ says “done.” As a free gift I get to reap the benefit by simply believing. I don’t have to “clean up my life first” to be accepted by God. While we were yet a sinners Christ died for us.
So, what are the implications for my faith? I’ll still go through the ups and downs of life on this earth like everyone else. BUT, when I take my last breath here I’ll be stepping into the presence of God in heaven forever! Read the 21st chapter of Revelation; it’s gonna be awesome. If he calls me home today I’m ready! There’s sorrow in this world, but joy inexpressible awaits in my true home where I’m a citizen: heaven. I’d truly hope that you, Stucky, and everyone else will be there as well! God has made you with a sharp mind, the ability to communicate humorously, and His offer to believe in Christ is open to you. You don’t have to *join* an organization or say a particular prayer. The journey starts when you believe in your heart.
I’m not going to try to convince you (or Stucky) with doctrine. If I can’t be a witness in a loving way then it’d be better if I never said anything at all, so I mean this post to be genuine and expressive of my belief, not a post telling you what you should do. Even as I type this I believe that Christ stands at the door of your heart knocking to enter. It’s up to you to exercise your free will to pen that door or not.
All my best and God’s blessings,
John Angelo
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28th September 2012 at 12:03 pm
John Angelo says:
I think if people fully understood the offer that Christ makes, the validity of the one making the offer, and what people needed to do to accept the offer, there’d be a lot more believers in Christ. Religion has gotten between man and God. Our harden hearts often tell us it’s too good to be true. But if there’s only ONE THING we got out of this life, I’d hope it’d be the understanding that God loved the world so much that he gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life.
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28th September 2012 at 12:45 pm
SAH says:
@John Angelo – thanks for your kind and heartfelt comments. I agree with Stucky, it would be a hoot to have coffee and pie and a long convo with you about these topics (if you guys invite me, I’ll even bake the pie, pie baking is something I practice my faith in regularly). People are each endowed with different gifts, either by their creator or random chance based on genes and upbringing (depenin in what you believe). I was not gifted with faith. Thirst for knowledge, yes. Ability to type 600 word posts on an iPhone, yes. Pie baking abilities, yes. Faith, not so much.
Although I lack faith, I do believe in ethics, and in freedom and justice. All of these beliefs are processed through rational thinking for me. But I appreciate and admire people who have different gifts than me, people with faith, tall people, people who don’t need glasses. It’s all ok with me…. But I very much relate to Stucky’s earlier comment about having less faith in religions as you learn more about it. I believe this is the case for many Atheists, Agnostics, and rational Skeptics – many become non-believers through study, rather than ignorance of religious beliefs. Others are ‘true believers’ without studying at all. It’s a mystery of human differences why information causes some to believe more strongly and others to doubt, and why still others are willing to believe without any information.
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28th September 2012 at 12:49 pm
newsjunkie says:
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28th September 2012 at 6:39 pm
AWD says:
Hot debate. What do you think?
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28th September 2012 at 7:59 pm
Stucky says:
“It’s a mystery of human differences why information causes some to believe more strongly and others to doubt, and why still others are willing to believe without any information.” — SAH
It’s not that big a mystery. Really.
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28th September 2012 at 8:18 pm
AWD says:
“If God didn’t exist, it would be necessary to invent Him”
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28th September 2012 at 8:39 pm
wordman says:
One of my favorite hymns, with words penned by Charles Wesley. The whole of Jesus’ mission and the gospel summed up in 5 wonderful and concise verses!
And can it be that I should gain
an interest in the Savior’s blood!
Died he for me? who caused his pain!
For me? who him to death pursued?
Amazing love! How can it be
that thou, my God, shouldst die for me?
Amazing love! How can it be
that thou, my God, shouldst die for me?
2.
‘Tis mystery all: th’ Immortal dies!
Who can explore his strange design?
In vain the firstborn seraph tries
to sound the depths of love divine.
‘Tis mercy all! Let earth adore;
let angel minds inquire no more.
‘Tis mercy all! Let earth adore;
let angel minds inquire no more.
3.
He left his Father’s throne above
(so free, so infinite his grace!),
emptied himself of all but love,
and bled for Adam’s helpless race.
‘Tis mercy all, immense and free,
for O my God, it found out me!
‘Tis mercy all, immense and free,
for O my God, it found out me!
4.
Long my imprisoned spirit lay,
fast bound in sin and nature’s night;
thine eye diffused a quickening ray;
I woke, the dungeon flamed with light;
my chains fell off, my heart was free,
I rose, went forth, and followed thee.
My chains fell off, my heart was free,
I rose, went forth, and followed thee.
5.
No condemnation now I dread;
Jesus, and all in him, is mine;
alive in him, my living Head,
and clothed in righteousness divine,
bold I approach th’ eternal throne,
and claim the crown, through Christ my own.
Bold I approach th’ eternal throne,
and claim the crown, through Christ my own.
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28th September 2012 at 10:24 pm
Kill Bill says:
“…and why still others are willing to believe without any information. -SAH”
Nothing exists except atoms and empty space, everything else is opinion – Democritus of Abdera
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28th September 2012 at 10:41 pm
crazyivan says:
“It’s a mystery of human differences why information causes some to believe more strongly and others to doubt, and why still others are willing to believe without any information.” — SAH
A typical earthly organism knows it’s world by some sensory input. Sight, smell, touch, sound,vibration, magnetism, sonar, taste, temperature, and a myriad of sensors, some of which we don’t understand or acknowledge
That is to say, that any event, in the proximity of a being may well be sensed by this and other beings, and completly different tones of thought emerge in the brain due to a filtering of inputs by the organism’s belief system .
The belief system operates in automatic mode, developed over the years through experience, at a level below concious thought. Anybody that has trained a puppy not to shit in the house knows that this is not rote training, but instilling the thought in the puppy that shitting in the house leads to unrest and it’s better to just take it outside.
The belief system is quite differant than the instinct system. The instinct system is more prevalant in the lower classes such as DNA strands which are truly in need of remedial spelling classes.
I rest my case.
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28th September 2012 at 10:57 pm
Stucky says:
crazyivan
Instinct is not acquired. It is there from birth. No effort is required.
A baby is born with zero beliefs. It is something learned over time. Some learned beliefs may be unconscious, but most of it is acquired via conscious effort.
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28th September 2012 at 9:15 am
Stucky says:
wordman
Wow! You picked one of my top 2 ALL TIME favorite hymns. When I was dating my ex-wife after a couple weeks she invited me to her church, and she sang that song solo (she has a great voice). Wow … serious case of nostalgia here, and now I won’t get that tune out of my head all day.
My other favorite song is “Sometimes Alleluia” by Chuck Girard … maybe because I attended Chuck’s church from time to time when I was stationed in southern California.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGf916aTDXo
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28th September 2012 at 9:22 am
Destin says:
Sam Kinison cleared this all up years ago.
http://youtu.be/DSwG9Tojg9I
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28th September 2012 at 10:24 am
AWD says:
Babies are born with a soul, the essence of spirit in human form.
Babies have to be trained in religion.
Don’t blame God for religion.
Religion is men controlling other men (and women).
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28th September 2012 at 11:15 am
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28th September 2012 at 11:16 am
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28th September 2012 at 11:52 am
Colma Rising says:
Ok, let’s get this straight and to the point as this post sinks into word press hell:
Of course Jesus got some. Not only did he get some on the side, but he was indeed married…. In fact Jesus had an ex, if not several ex wives.
How could I know? Well suck on this lollipop, you fucking curs:
Jesus Is AMERICAN.
End of story.
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28th September 2012 at 1:44 pm
Stucky says:
Also …. Jesus votes Republican.
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28th September 2012 at 1:51 pm
Colma Rising says:
I am almost certain Jesus votes Republican, Stucky, and he owns stock in the energy and defense sectors.
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28th September 2012 at 2:51 pm
Anonymous says:
” Some learned beliefs may be unconscious, but most of it is acquired via conscious effort.” – stucky
I agree. But my point was that once a belief is installed in the sensory filtering system then it operates unconciously and requires great effort to undo the bias against inputs that don’t jive with the established belief system. All people see things through their own unique prism.
This all goes back to SAH’s comment ““It’s a mystery of human differences why information causes some to believe more strongly and others to doubt, and why still others are willing to believe without any information.”
Like you, it is absolutely no mystery to me that this occurs.
In fact, to remind myself of this fact on a daily basis diminishes my desire to kill them. Only problem is that I don’t do it on a daily basis and therfore am quite intollerant and mean spirited.
I will defer to your honorship once again though, and concede that you my be more correct in this matter due to things I just don’t percieve .
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28th September 2012 at 7:39 pm
crazyivan says:
That may have been me above, I just don’t remember.
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28th September 2012 at 7:41 pm
Stucky says:
“I will defer to your [Stucky] honorship once again though, and concede that you my be more correct in this matter due to things I just don’t percieve .” —- Anonymous
You are one of the Most Wise Beings on this thread. Thusly, I declare YOU to be the winner of this grand debate. I will send you a copy of my new book; “Did Joseph ever fuck Mary?”.
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28th September 2012 at 7:44 pm
Novista says:
flash
You astound me. Where have I expressed my opinion of Christianity? If you had a sense of humor you would have understood (a) the first statement was about your quoting something that shot down your own position.
Beyond that, my commentary on writers (or editors or compilers) of holy books says nothing against the Christian faith itself.
The last snark contained a Clue but you missed the whole point. Tsk.
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28th September 2012 at 8:54 pm
Nonanonymous says:
Herr Stuck, we’ve been over this already. Of course Joseph fucked Mary. Yet, to expound upon certain points, which will be the last word, because each word will be scripturally based, if you care, and I’m not sure that you do, but in the event someone reading this may glean some truth from it, here goes,
The angel appearing unto Joseph when he was considering putting her away privately, instead of having her stoned, which would have been his right, the angel said, “take unto you your wife,” meaning to consumate his marriage with her. This was after she conceived the Son of God by the Holy Spirit.
Secondly, the description of Mary is she had not known a man in the biblical sense to the point of conception. Yes, she had sex with Joseph, but the conception of the Son of God was by divine intervention.
Lastly, Jesus was said to have brothers and sisters, so, in all liklihood, Joseph and Mary had a relationship as man and wife, resulting in a family. They were also quite wealthy, considering all of the gifts bestowed upon them by the wise men of the east. But, that is a discussion for another time.
The only book, Stuckey, which I’m interested in by way of proof of anything, is the Word of God, as revealed to his Holy Saints and testified unto you this day. Grace and Peace be unto you all, in the glorious name of the risen Christ, the only begotten Son of God, Jesus Christ.
Oh, and to the OP, did Jesus get any nooky, it’s likely he did not, because it’s equally unlikely he married.
It’s also interesting this “revelation” comes so closely on the heels of the archeologist in Jerusalem who claims to have found Jesus’ tomb. Our adversary, the Devil, must be feeling a bit of heat in his zeal to drive the nations toward Armegeddon. Spoiler alert, he fails, not is his zeal, but in his stated ambition of destroying the Word of God, and ruling over his creation.
We would all do well to heed the admonition of the Lord.
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28th September 2012 at 9:03 pm
Nonanonymous says:
One more thing, and I’m typically the last to catch on, the OP makes an excellent point in this post. How many riots took place, and how many embassies burned as a result of this post.
I, for one, feel no desire to protest against anything except our runaway out of control federal bureacracy. Gee, if I’m not mistaken, that’s exactly who the muslim extremists are protesting. If the feds hadn’t concocted them, I might even be inclined to feel some sympathy toward the murdering bastards. As it is, I’ll stick with the OWS and the Tea Party. Thank you, all, good night.
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28th September 2012 at 9:10 pm
Llpoh says:
I studiously avoided this thread until just now, but temptation over- rode common sense. Daimn, I hate that when that happens. Much as I feared, nothing whatsoever of value to be found herein. Not even a pic of Salma’s knockers to take the edge off.
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28th September 2012 at 9:37 pm
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28th September 2012 at 8:13 am
Novista says:
llpoh is a pussy!
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28th September 2012 at 8:33 am
flash says:
Novista, color me an old fashioned prude, but I find no humor in satirical or otherwise Jesus bashing.
And, If I recall correctly, you’ve stated in earlier threads your were not a Christian,if not then sue me.
Galatians 6:7 ESV / 90 helpful votes
Do not be deceived: God is not mocked, for whatever one sows, that will he also reap.
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28th September 2012 at 9:19 am
flash says:
novista,
BTW, a 3 1/2 century old fragment does not a historical record make.
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28th September 2012 at 9:27 am
Stucky says:
“…. a 3 1/2 century old fragment does not a historical record make.” — flash
Really? You must have some kind of software that generates stupid statements, for surely, you can’t be this ignorant on your own.
The oldest known complete Bible was written 400 years after Jesus’ death. The earliest known NT fragment is about 200 years after Jesus’ death. I guess none of those are historical records either.
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28th September 2012 at 10:01 am
Stucky says:
Nonanonymous
I agree with your conclusions.
The book is written for Catholics, who, as you know, believe in the doctrine of The Perpetual Virginity of Mary. My assertion is that Mary had sex with a farmyard animal … based on the ancient poem, “Mary had a little lamb”.
Clearly, Joseph was not up for the task.
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28th September 2012 at 10:12 am
Nonanonymous says:
Unfortunately, Christianity was usurped by the Emporer Constatine at the Council of Nicea in AD 325 and became the state religion of Rome. The Doctrine of the Trinity is scripturally unsubstantied and is a compromise between Christianity and the polytheitical paganism practiced in the Roman Empire.
It’s interesting that Jehovah’s Witnesses and Mormons do not have the Trinity as a tenet of their faith, and are considered cults because of that very fact.
The doctrine of the Trinity has done more to weaken the faith of Christianity than any other single act.
Jews and Muslims don’t believe it, to their credit. Even so, Judaism is a dead religion since the advent of Christ, and Islam is a false religion. All of the founders of any of the world’s religions are dead, Mohammed, Buddha, Confucious, you name it. Jesus is the only man whom God raised from the dead and set at his own right hand. He didn’t set himself at his own right hand. Neither did God establish the laws of nature, and then decide to trangress those laws and have himself as a Son. People aren’t stupid, but there sure is a lot of ignorance in the world, some of it willful, some of it because of deception. Either way, there’s no sin in being ignorant. There’s only sin in remaining ignorant, when it’s available to know better.
“Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us also lay aside every weight, and sin which clings so closely, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, looking to Jesus, the founder and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God.”
(Hebrews 12:1-2 ESV)
Amen and amen.
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28th September 2012 at 11:17 am
Stucky says:
Judaism is no more “dead” than any other religion.
Islam is no more “false” than any other religion.
Must be nice for you … to live in that self-sure cocoon … where ONLY your version of religious beliefs are correct. (And, puh-leeease, spare me your scripture verses that “prove” your scriptures are the correct scriptures!)
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28th September 2012 at 11:59 am
Stucky says:
Post #100.
I win.
Blow me.
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28th September 2012 at 12:00 pm
ThePessimisticChemist says:
I think Stucky and SAH won this thread a long time ago.
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28th September 2012 at 12:14 pm
Anonymous says:
Stucky says:
“…. a 3 1/2 century old fragment does not a historical record make.”
I’m was referencing the fragment of papyrus which purportedly claims Jesus was married you moobish maroon.
Complete books of the bible are not fragments of text.
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28th September 2012 at 1:28 pm
flash says:
the above anon was I.
Stucky says:Post #100.
I win.
Blow me.
Here’s your prize moobey…
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28th September 2012 at 1:36 pm
Nonanonymous says:
Stuck, you’re entitled to your opinion, just as you are entitled to be wrong.
I have two thousand years of human history on my side, and the Israeli’s eigth thousand before that.
If you don’t believe, that’s your priviledge. Ten thousand years of human history say otherwise. It must be nice to live in a cacoon of ignorance.
Even Jesus prayed that if there was any other way, that he might be spared. He prayed this three times before he was arrested,
“And going a little farther, he fell on the ground and prayed that, if it were possible, the hour might pass from him. And he said, “Abba, Father, all things are possible for you. Remove this cup from me. Yet not what I will, but what you will.”
(Mark 14:35-36 ESV)
It is each person’s choice to believe in the name of Jesus Christ. I can only speak of the difference God has made in my life. He can and will do the same for anyone seeking Him,
“Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives, and the one who seeks finds, and to the one who knocks it will be opened.
(Matthew 7:7-8 ESV)
I don’t know when Christ will return, no one does except God.
“Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and eat with him, and he with me. The one who conquers, I will grant him to sit with me on my throne, as I also conquered and sat down with my Father on his throne. He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.’”
(Revelation 3:20-22 ESV)
It is better to know with a certainty the difference between truth, and a lie. Otherwise, as a race we would be doomed to imprisonment. Our adversary, the devil has already tried extinction in Noah’s time, anything to kill the Christ line, first told in Genesis,
“I will put enmity between you and the woman,
and between your offspring and her offspring;
he shall bruise your head,
and you shall bruise his heel.”
(Genesis 3:15 ESV)
After crucifying Christ, innocent blood, it appears he will make every attempt to enslave the population of the world.
We don’t know what the future brings, only what is foretold in God’s Word and it is up to you and I to carry forward the message of hope and deliverance, neither of which is being offered by either candidate running for the POTUS, who offer only more of the same bankster enslavement of our nation. If I was the devil, I don’t think I could have done a better job of it.
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28th September 2012 at 8:51 am
Stucky says:
“I have two thousand years of human history on my side, and the Israeli’s eigth thousand before that.” —- Nonanonymous
Buddhism is 2,550 years old. What does the age of a belief prove in terms of it being “correct”? Nothing. Thanks for playing.
Israel eight thousand before that. WTF??? bwaahahaha. Ancient Israel’s history dates to about 1,800 years BC, tops. Thanks for playing.
I didn’t read the rest of the holy roller stuff considering you can’t even get BASIC facts correct.
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28th September 2012 at 9:08 am
Nonanonymous says:
Stuck, really? The most ancient civilizations in the world are the Sumarians, Egyptians, and the Israelites. God chose the Israelites from among the nations of the world to make known his name.
Wikipedia dates the Israelites to the 15th – 16th century BCE. I guess we could start there, if I wanted to call your bluff. Thanks for playing.
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28th September 2012 at 10:02 am
Stucky says:
“I have two thousand years of human history on my side, and the ISRAELI’S EIGTH THOUSAND before that.” —- Nonanonymous statement #1
“Wikipedia dates the Israelites to the 15th – 16th century BCE” —- Nonanonymous statement #2
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Make up your fucking mind. Better yet, get some education, then get back to me.
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28th September 2012 at 10:17 am
ThePessimisticChemist says:
@Nonanonymous – Interesting logic there. They’ve been around a long time, therefore god chose them to rule us all.
All of humanity has ancestors, the fact that this particular breed of human is still so clannish is a social footnote and nothing more. Its certainly not indicative of divine intervention.
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28th September 2012 at 10:23 am
Nonanonymous says:
PC, “a social footnote and nothing else”. Perhaps, one can look at the history of civilization as a series of conquests, and man’s rising against oppression.
You can refer to these as footnotes.
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28th September 2012 at 11:45 am
Stucky says:
Mary (Jeebus’ mom) patiently waits for Joseph to deflower her.
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28th September 2012 at 1:00 pm
Nonanonymous says:
Stucky, dammit, you’re right! There, I admitted it.
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28th September 2012 at 1:39 pm
Nonanonymous says:
Damn, Stucky, that’s some serious fucked up shit!
What gives? Wouldn’t discussing whether your parents fucked or you were just dumped on the front steps of an orphanage because your mother was a prostitute and didn’t know which John was your dad be a better use of everyone’s time?
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28th September 2012 at 2:32 pm