This article matches exactly my thinking in the Fourth Turning article. Obama’s record is absolutely dreadful. The fact that he was re-elected is mind boggling. His opponent is a Wall Street controlled douchebag who never met an issue he couldn’t take both sides on. He wasn’t the Prophet generation leader for this Crisis. Obama certainly isn’t that leader. This election has set in motion a further deterioration of our fiscal situation. My best guess is that the next phase of this Crisis will be a sudden financial implosion and the acsension of a Prophet generation leader who responds to the Crisis in a way that a large number of Americans rally behind that person and their ideas. It could be a Senator. It could be a General. It could be business person. Or it could be a demogogue. Who knows? What we do know is that a majority of Americans voted to keep the “free” shit flowing for a awhile longer. Math is hard, but reality will be harder.
President Obama’s re-election bewilders
Thursday, November 8,2012
Ronald Reagan called the 1964 election “a time for choosing.” Tuesday’s election yielded a time for bewilderment.
Given his record, it is astonishing that President Obama won re-election. He should have lost, big time. Despite an $833 billion stimulus and $5.6 trillion in fresh national debt, the economy crawls forward with 2 percent growth. Shovel-ready projects were not shovel ready. The Department of Energy has generated some 60,000 “green” jobs — at $578,333 each. When Obama arrived, the unemployment rate was 7.8 percent. It’s now 7.9 percent. Nonetheless, Obama is the first president to get re-elected with joblessness above 7.2 percent since FDR in 1936.
Serious analysts like Michael Barone, co-author of “The Almanac of American Politics,” forecast 315 electoral votes for Mitt Romney. Accurate since 1980, the University of Colorado Boulder’s model predicted 330 electoral votes for Romney. In fact, Romney secured 206 electoral votes, with Florida still too close to call.
Reputed uber-genius Karl Rove reconfirmed that he is the most overrated living participant in American public life. As “the architect” of profligate “compassionate conservatism,” Rove helped smash the GOP’s reputation for fiscal discipline. This still hurts Republicans. As Reuters’ Tim Reid wrote: “Early national exit polls revealed that about 50 percent of U.S. voters still blamed former Republican President George W. Bush for the country’s economic problems rather than Obama.” The allegedly brilliant Rove foresaw 279 electoral votes for Romney. Oops! Rove should retire to a Texas ranch, where he can raise and sell actual bull.
By beating these odds, Obama demonstrated that a majority of the U.S. electorate supports democratic socialism. Three bumper stickers on a California automobile recently illustrated this sad truth. They said, “Obama” “Tax the Rich,” and “Live Better — Work Union.”
Rather than being rejected as un-American, class warfare proved to be a winning formula. Look for Obama and the left to sow further seeds of discord. Let’s see how many prosperous people, entrepreneurs and job creators grow sick of being blamed for America’s woes. Many will retire. Others will exile themselves to countries where they will be appreciated.
Romney’s general-election campaign had its flaws, but it was energetic, issue-based and optimistic. Nonetheless, he was excoriated for remarking that 47 percent of Americans essentially were beyond his reach because they “believe that they are victims” and “that government has a responsibility to care for them.”
Actually, Romney tried to sell limited government to the 49.5 percent of Americans who pay no income tax. Obama offered them health care, school loans and other free “investments” financed by the 51.5 percent of Americans who pay income taxes. Tuesday may have tipped this seesaw. Once a largely untaxed majority of Americans vote themselves free benefits funded by a taxed minority, Washington, D.C., will descend into Athens on the Potomac.
Amid the debris, there are a few reasons for free marketers not to stick our heads in our ovens.
Republican Sen.-elect Jeff Flake of Arizona is one of Capitol Hill’s most stalwart soldiers for small government, tight budgets and terminating pork-barrel excess. He will serve Arizona and America splendidly. Republican Ted Cruz also is Senate-bound. Texas’ former solicitor general is scary smart, well-spoken to a fault and Hispanic. Perhaps he and Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., can remind the GOP how to appeal to this large and growing demographic group.
Colorado and Washington legalized marijuana. These states soon may collide with Obama, who is a battering-ram-wielding drug warrior, despite belonging to the Choom Gang, his high school posse of Hawaiian potheads. Perhaps federalism and Obama’s abandonment of his weed-laced hypocrisy will merge like smoke rings and end marijuana prohibition.
Voters in Maryland, Maine, Minnesota and Washington embraced gay marriage. Social conservatives cannot complain that unelected judges imposed this policy. Conservatives and libertarians jointly should pry government’s nose from something in which it has no bloody business.
A majority of Americans voted for big government. Now, we all must share the bed that they made. Unfortunately, as Reagan once said, “If you get in bed with the government, you’ll get more than a good night’s sleep.”
Deroy Murdock writes a column for Scripps Howard News Service and a media fellow with Stanford University’s Hoover Institution on War, Revolution and Peace. Email deroy.Murdockgmail.com.
Hope@ZeroKelvin says:
I was beyond stunned at the election. My faith in my fellow Amerikans has been shattered.
It was absolutely heart breaking to see so many people vote away their magnificent birthright of freedome, liberty, economic opportunity and wealth for a Big Government nanny state and all the tyranny, misery and death that this has brought to millions of people around the world.
60 million Amerikans just voted to commit national suicide. 60 million Amerikans just voted to for serfdom. 60 million Amerikans just voted to destroy the principles that created the incredible wealth of this country in the first place.
So be it.
This 1% er will NOT be hiring, investing, spending or giving to charity. Let the sucker go down. The people who will be most hurt by an economic collapse will be the very people that put Obama back in power – minorities, young college students, single women. Let them live, or not, through the consequences of their decision. I’m done.
The triumph of class warfare, of the leftist indoctrination of the young, of the POWER of lies told over and over and over agin, of willfull and seemingly gleeful personal irresponsibility funded at fed.gov expense, of a corrupt and biased media, is seemingly complete.
There is no turning back. There is no way to “fix” this. There is no way to roll this back. Stop kidding yourselves.
Amerika’s fate is sealed. If we don’t completely collapse in the next 2-3 years, we will slowly slide into the sad and wretched status of a 3rd World country, our children and grandchildren will, hopefully, not even be aware of what has been lost. That is the only mercy I can think of.
Let the collapse begin. Frankly, my dear, I just don’t give a damn.
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Eddie says:
The election of Ted Cruz will do nothing to change the fact that the Hispanic FSA is firmly established in Texas and growing by leaps and bounds. Demographic trends suggest to me that we will see more Hispanics elected in Texas, but that an ever increasing number of them will be socialist, going into the future.
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SAH says:
Yep to everything Hope said.
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9th November 2012 at 9:50 am
Stucky says:
“It was absolutely heart breaking to see so many people vote away their magnificent birthright of freedome, liberty, economic opportunity and wealth for a Big Government nanny state and all the tyranny, misery and death that this has brought to millions of people around the world.” —–HZK
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You would have gotten the same thing had Romney won.
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9th November 2012 at 9:50 am
bluestem says:
FSA rules, that’s all there is to say. Sad, but true. John
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9th November 2012 at 9:53 am
flash says:
Hope,
I don’t want to tend to your business, but having lived in Texas and traveled about extensively, I can say from what I saw and experienced there in the ’80′s,those demographics is not your friend.
And friends I have there tell me , the gang situation has gotten a lot worse, than an ever gained.
You might want to consider, pulling up roots and moving out of La Raza….better to make a safe error than a dangerous mistake.
…just saying.
http://www.resist.com/CWII.pdf
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9th November 2012 at 9:54 am
harry p. says:
Stucky, I agree 100%.
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9th November 2012 at 9:58 am
Stucky says:
This picture-post is to help HZK through her suicidal depression …. to help her understand it matters not which asshole is on top …. that shit flows downhill in all cases.
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9th November 2012 at 10:01 am
Persnickety says:
Another +1 to Hope.
Stucky, the result with Rmoney would have been very similar, but to see that a slim majority of the voters favored the horrible evil we already know is terrifying. I’m not saying he was good, just that no decent person should have voted for Obummer, who is definitely our worst president in the last 50 years in a field with a lot of bad presidents to choose from.
Bring on the collapse. Something good can rise from the ashes, and it won’t include Wall Street or DC. The Left Coast should go its own way – their strain of liberal crazy is at least more understandable than the Mordor strain, which is totalitarian fascism wrapped in a Benetton commercial.
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9th November 2012 at 10:01 am
Dan says:
McCain got more popular votes then Romney, by more than 2 million. Which begs the question, did that 2 million flop to Obama, not vote, or go 3rd party? Either way it shows the republican party is fucked.
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9th November 2012 at 10:05 am
Mark says:
So far it looks like a brilliant economic strategy.
As Karl Denniger like to say it costs you be definition more to buy a piece of GDP. The stock price of $100 widget factory that produces 10 widgets still produces 10 widgets but costs you $110.
But hey, that doesn’t count as inflation. Neither does the volatile food and energy prices. Only, things such as people don’t need or want in a depression count toward inflation. Which of course go down in price because people don’t buy them. Daaah.
What do the 47 million people on food stamps care about the price of food anyway? Which is part 1 of brilliant strategy.
Part 2 is Granny’s social security goes down every year. As does everyones savings in terms of real purchasing power.
Part 3 Eventually, everyone will have to be lured back into the stock market if the deficit is not reduced.
Part 4 Once that happens, Goldman Sachs will have just left the crowded theater and yelled “FIRE”
At which point the government will tell you “didn’t you read the prospectus” “next time keep your money in the bank where it’s FDIC insured even though the FDIC doesn’t have enough money either.”
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9th November 2012 at 10:17 am
sangell says:
Had Obama been ‘white’ he would have lost the election. That is a fact. Obama’s re-election shows that the presidency has been ‘race normed’. A white Democrat would not have been able to get blacks out and voting 97% for his/her re-election given the same situation. Just a return to normal black turnout and a drop to the more normal 90% democratic vote would have cost a white Democrat the election. Same thing with Latino voters. Obama got somewhere between 71% and 75% of that bloc and for the first time Latino’s accounted for 10% of the electorate. My guess is if Romney had put Marco Rubio on the ticket the Republicans might have picked up 10 or 15% more of the Latino vote and that, again, might have put Romney in the White House.
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9th November 2012 at 10:21 am
Stucky says:
‘snicky
Reelecting shitheads is an American tradition. See; Pelosi, Reed, Bawney … et al, ad infinitum, el barfo et mundo
Regarding el Presidente …. a damn good case could be made that that lying, war criminal, freedom-hating, Constitution shredding POS …. aka, Dubya …. is/was just as bad as Obama. We reelected him too. Dumbfuk American voters, it’s not only tradition, it’s in our DNA.
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9th November 2012 at 10:23 am
GovtRunAmuck says:
I’ve told my wife for several years now that there is a simple explanation for practically every inexplicable thing that happens. “The world is absurd.” What else needs to be said?
My wife is finally coming around to my point of view.
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9th November 2012 at 10:37 am
Eddie says:
Before collapse, we get lots of vicious financial repression. It’s just starting to get really bad. The next four years are going to be so hard, I’m afraid. I am accelerating my prepping. I am considering even getting rid of some good assets, because I want to be finacially as resiient as possible.
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9th November 2012 at 10:38 am
prtrb'd says:
All this talk about who sits in the president seat is superficial. The few men behind the curtain should be getting the attention. Simple fact is mr OB got back in the seat because he did such an outstanding job at doing their bidding. Look at how much closer he has brought us to a total chaotic collapse and the then rebirth of a super police state one world gubermint. Out of chaos, order.
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9th November 2012 at 10:42 am
Screech says:
@Stucky:
Congratulations on becoming the voice of reason on TBP. Truly a pleasant turn of events.
And the Admin? Well… Let’s just say that he has some value as a coarse humorist.
“…the acsension of a Prophet generation leader who responds to the Crisis in a way that a large number of Americans rally behind that person and their ideas.”
Really, now.
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9th November 2012 at 10:53 am
sangell says:
If the GOP is going to remain competitive it is going to have to get more of the Latino vote. They are here and their children will be citizens and vote. There’s no way back from that reality. However, there is no real reason for large numbers of Latinos to vote Democrat. Many are small business owners and others hardworking people who are not unaware that allowing open borders puts their jobs and pay levels at risk. It is also the case that the Democrats cannot offer Latinos the same affirmative action status they offer blacks without tossing many blacks out of their public sector sinecures. That is what the GOP can offer Latinos.
Another thing the GOP needs to do is call for public financing of presidential elections. Obama won because he had unprecedented amounts of campaign financing. Registering and getting marginal voters to the polls is very expensive. Obama had to have armies of ‘minders’ to contact, transport and keep in line millions of voters. You limit a presidential campaign to $100 million dollars and you can only invite people to vote not physically bring them to the polls and keep them there.
Finally we need better candidates. No more Christian clowns spewing idiotic comments about rape and abortion. Trying to keep every bible thumping moron in the Republican fold by catering to their primitive religiousity is a fools game.
Hot debate. What do you think?
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Persnickety says:
Stucky – this is arguing over deck chairs on the SS America, but while Dubya was possibly the worst president of the 50 years before him (I’m not sure, given Nixon), Obummer is worse than W. in virtually all ways, including the ones you list. There has never been a greater enemy of the rule of law and respect for the Constitution than Obama. He is the first president in US history to claim an unlimited to kill Americans (by drone strike) if he deems them to be an enemy through a process entirely within the executive branch.
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9th November 2012 at 10:57 am
Colma Rising says:
Sangell is right.
No more photo ops of some Uglican chowing down on a corn dog like a hungry hooker….
If they can say they believe in hard work through sacrifice with a straight face, they can down a ladel of menudo with a smile.
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9th November 2012 at 11:02 am
BUCKHED says:
I used to scoff at the thought of a second round of session in America but based on the fact that the FSA has amassed power I think it may be a stark reality . My only hope is that the New Republic is here in the South ( were it’s warm) and that the separation is peaceful this time. If it isn’t well I’ll defend my land against the FSA !
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9th November 2012 at 11:12 am
Stucky says:
‘snicky
I have no problem with saying Obama is worse than Dubya. If it was a horse race, it would be a photo finish. My main point was for HZK — that there really isn’t a dime’s worth of difference between Obama and Romney ….. something she is quite loathe to admit.
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9th November 2012 at 11:42 am
Stucky says:
This election was about which party gets to suck off the SAME special interest dicks;
—- Wall Street cocks
—- The Fed cocks
—- military-industrial cocks
—- the Israeli Joo cocks
—- energy and mining cocks
—- Big Corporation cocks
—- all kinds of other Special Interest cocks
—- YOUR cock (if you have one) —— no so much.
BOTH Obama and Romney would continue to suck on those juicy cocks, both would swallow, the only difference being that Romney would pretend to not like it. Americans think it makes a difference which cocksucker is in charge, while just not understanding that at the end of the day they are identical …………. cocksuckers. This is funny to me.
Endless wars? —– not an issue
Provoking Russia and China? —— not an issue
Destroying the Constitution? —— not an issue
$16 trillion debt? —— not an issue
Dictatorial Executive Orders? —– not an issue
USA credit downgrade? —– not an issue
Massive unemployment? —– not an issue
Elect a black vs Mormon special interest cocksucker? —– YES!! That’s THE issue important to Amuricans. “Woopdee fuckin’ doo! MY cocksucker won!!”. Hilarious.
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9th November 2012 at 11:45 am
Ron says:
There were two horrible candidates.One won.We lost.
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9th November 2012 at 11:59 am
flash says:
Sangell, your wish soon to be granted.
The Bush-wacker family is the face new Hispanic.
‘Next Bush’ makes campaign filing in Texas….viva la goppers….
Ana Navarro, who was the national Hispanic co-chairwoman for John McCain when he ran for president in 2008, tweeted her enthusiasm Thursday.
“Wrote check for my friend, (at)georgepbush newly formed exploratory committee for office in TX. Young, pragmatic, Hispanic, just what GOP needs,” Navarro’s tweet read.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20121109/DA2E8UH83.html
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9th November 2012 at 12:09 pm
Roysyl says:
I believe the Republicans had Romney take one for the team, a dive. There is no other explanation for the inept campaign other than the R’s saw a high probability of a collapse within the next four years and didn’t want the blame. It also gave the Political Proctologists material to fill the time between commercials.
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9th November 2012 at 12:10 pm
Dan says:
I think Stuckys cock post pretty much nails it. (what a totally different meaning if I left out the word “post”)
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9th November 2012 at 12:22 pm
John A says:
This quote came from the Czech Republic. It was translated into English from an article in the Prague newspaper, Prager Zeitungon:
“The danger to America is not Barack Obama, but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America. Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools, such as those who made him their president.”
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9th November 2012 at 12:26 pm
Stucky says:
I think Stuckys cock pretty much nails it.
Dan …. yes, while the actual meaning would change ….. you would still be 100% correct.
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9th November 2012 at 12:33 pm
John A says:
BIG VICTORIES UNDER THE RADAR TUESDAY NIGHT
by Jon Rappoport
November 8, 2012
http://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2012/11/08/big-victories-under-the-radar-tuesday-night/
Okay, so we saw Obama and Romney go head to head and grab the headlines Tuesday night. Clown puppet A beat clown puppet B. The real winner was big federal government, and that was a foregone conclusion before a single vote had been cast or rigged.
Big gov was going to come out on top either way. We knew that.
But at the state level, six things happened that are cause for celebration. Six states told the federal government to take a long walk on a short pier. They passed ballot measures which directly contradict federal law and, in three cases, the US Supreme Court.
The egg is slowly cracking.
It’s called Nullification. If the central government passes a law that exceeds its ceiling of power as described in the Constitution, the individual states have a right to refuse to obey it.
Wyoming, Montana, and Alabama did just that. They passed ballot measures essentially stating that the federal government can’t force their citizens to purchase mandated health insurance (Obamacare).
Colorado and Washington passed measures decriminalizing marijuana, and Massachusetts passed a referendum legalizing medical marijuana.
Pot is still against federal law.
A trend is slowly building. States are deciding to slough off federal control.
Political forces that abhor nullification make a bogus historical argument: states rights were once used to prolong slavery and then, later, segregation. Yes, but this is now. No state intends to bring back segregation.
The nullification movement is now about decentralization of power.
In various states, it grows along different issues and moves along different fault lines.
Further, we shouldn’t assume these ballot measures are simply weak expressions of opinion that will be crushed by the federal government. Pressure from the feds, for example, to shut down medical marijuana dispensaries in Los Angeles has failed to bring about the desired result.
What will the feds do in Montana, Wyoming, and Montana when they decide it’s time to enforce Obamacare on these rebels? Will they stage a massive show of force? That would play, in the international press, about as well as Ruby Ridge or Waco.
Will they fine a few select citizens of those states for failing to enroll in Obamacare? If so, and the citizens refuse to pay up, what then? How will an escalation be managed, and with what consequences? Does Obama really want a showdown that could awaken a sleeping giant he successfully put to bed Tuesday night?
Overplaying that hand could be disastrous.
At the birth of the Republic, it was well understood that nullification by the individual states was a viable option. It was an ace in the hole. It was a major reason the states ceded certain powers to the new central government in the first place.
It’s still a live option.
Jefferson wrote in the 1798 Kentucky Resolution, “When powers are assumed which have not been delegated, a nullification of the act is the rightful remedy.”
Today’s scholars prefer to argue that the only limiter on federal power is the US Supreme Court. This is about as useful as putting monkeys at typewriters and hoping to get Shakespeare. Supreme Court justices are in love with the idea of “updating” the Constitution to suit their personal whims.
State legislatures originally ratified the Constitution. That was how the central government was created. The states can now dismantle, piece by piece, the undelegated powers of that government, to bring it back toward the intent of the Founders.
Of course, most people in America today don’t have a clue about any of these issues. That’s because the education system is devoted to teaching how to step on an aluminum can before dropping it in a plastic barrel.
But it’s never too late to learn.
Jon Rappoport
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9th November 2012 at 1:27 pm
Thunderbird says:
The constitution is dead in the minds of the majority of the public. The conservative talk show hosts know it but continue to sell it because that is how they make their money… bullshitting their followers that the constitution still exists as a power. The Uniform Commercial Code UCC, contract law is what rules this country. It is applied as administrative law literally forming a blanket over the constitution and voiding it out, just like the Buck Act has placed federal districts over the 50 States making them null & void against federal statutes.
Our politicians have told us for years that they were pushing for smaller government when in fact they were putting policies in place to expand the role of government in our lives. But while a portion of the population wanted small government the majority of the people really wanted big government, and they got their wish. It is only the minority of the people that has failed to see where this country is headed.
The constitution of our forefathers was an “ideal” for our country. The first ten amendments, the “Bill of Rights” gave protection to the people for about two hundred years. Now that protection is gone because it is gone from the minds of the majority of the population.
To see why this has happened one just has to compare the mentality of our forefathers with the mentality of the people of today. Our forefathers were individuals while today’s people are mostly collectives… ripe for communism/socialism. And that is where this country is going.
I think the re-election of Obama really shocked many people that just did not want to look at the reality around us. Many are now facing the terror of the situation this country is in. The constitution is dead and communism/socialism is in. They can kiss their assets good by because all assets will go to the government for re-distribution. All incentive for the production of wealth is going away. Now the people are going to live through the “Iron Curtain” experience where the economy dies and shortages in all commodities are normal.
This is what you are giving your children and grand-children. I say “you” because I am getting mine out, just like those that do not go along with communism/socialism will get themselves and their families out of this country. Just in case you haven’t noticed there has been a quiet but large migration of people leaving this country for a better future.
It is ironic that for the last 50 years we have watched Cuba and it’s communist government from a free country. Now that country’s communism is dying with it’s dying leaders. I see Cuba discarding communism for free enterprise. Now the time is coming when free Cubans will be watching a communist America from their prospering country. What a twist in fate…would you agree?
Wake up America and face your fate. You made your bed so sleep in it. Malama pono…
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9th November 2012 at 2:43 pm
Administrator says:
Thomas Jefferson On the Danger of a Concentration of Power On Government
Thomas Jefferson, Collected Papers and Correspondence Vol. 12, Letter to George Logan:
Poplar Forest near Lynchburg, Nov. 12, 1816
Dear Sir,
I received your favor of Oct. 16, at this place, where I pass much of my time, very distant from Monticello…
Your idea of the moral obligations of governments are perfectly correct. The man who is dishonest as a statesman would be a dishonest man in any station. It is strangely absurd to suppose that a million of human beings collected together are not under the same moral laws which bind each of them separately.
It is a great consolation to me that our government, as it cherishes most its duties to its own citizens, so is it the most exact in its moral conduct towards other nations. I do not believe that in the four administrations which have taken place, there has been a single instance of departure from good faith towards other nations. We may sometimes have mistaken our rights, or made an erroneous estimate of the actions of others, but no voluntary wrong can be imputed to us.
In this respect England exhibits the most remarkable phaenomenon in the universe in the contrast between the profligacy of its government and the probity of its citizens. And accordingly it is now exhibiting an example of the truth of the maxim that virtue and interest are inseparable.
It ends, as might have been expected, in the ruin of its people, but this ruin will fall heaviest, as it ought to fall, on that hereditary aristocracy which has for generations been preparing the catastrophe.
I hope we shall take warning from the example and crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country.
Present me respectfully to Mrs. Logan and accept yourself my friendly and respectful salutations.
Thomas Jefferson
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9th November 2012 at 2:43 pm
Administrator says:
Dan
Obama got 8 million votes less than he did in 2008. We’re all fucked.
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9th November 2012 at 2:47 pm
Persnickety says:
@Thunderbird: where are your grandchildren moving to, and under what sort of status?
I’ve been debating expatriation for years now, but just am not seeing attractive options for anyone but a wealthy retiree.
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9th November 2012 at 3:09 pm
GJH says:
HZK – I’m stunned that you’re stunned. I couldn’t muster a single emotion concerning the choice between the two. When enough people lose faith in both Ds & Rs, we might get somewhere.
I don’t believe a ‘leader for this Crisis’ will come from the controlled national electoral process.
Given the shit for brains and degraded ethics of the large majority of Americans after a century of sophisticated brainwashing, I’m highly skeptical of anyone that ‘a large number of Americans rally behind’.
Like Doug Casey says, the only way out is through the wringer. The kind of experience that jars people out of their preconceptions, and makes them take intelligence, ethics, and principle seriously again.
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9th November 2012 at 3:41 pm
Thunderbird says:
Persnickety: It is an option we have.
What do you mean that you have been debating expatriation for years but don’t see attractive options? Have you visited or spent some time in other countries, in places outside the tourist traps, and made some friends, worked, or looked into starting an enterprise?
There are many places with opportunity and unlike our country have few restrictions to small business, but one has to go and find out.
I have my places to go because I have prepared the way by being there before.
There is still time to prepare. The worst is not here yet.
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9th November 2012 at 3:43 pm
Persnickety says:
@Tbird: I don’t consider myself hugely traveled, but I have spent months in several different foreign countries on business and vacation travel, and have gotten to know three of them quite well. Those three…. well are all wealthy and seemingly quite nice, but when you talk to the locals you find that they have their own serious problems and injustices, they just hide them well.
As for seemingly good spots in Latin America and SE Asia, I don’t think I want to be the pale white guy trapped there when the US suddenly loses its international clout and the global economy collapses further. If I were brown skinned I might feel differently.
But I welcome specific suggestions of places to look.
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9th November 2012 at 3:59 pm
GJH says:
Persnickety – As an ex-pat in South America for the last 7 years, I’ve thought a lot about it. No easy answers. Freedom is dwindling rapidly in a lot of places. But if shit gets as bad as seems likely to me…Well, who knows what’s coming. I don’t like what’s happening in the US at all. With all the problems of where I’m at, I just don’t see the potential for it to get anywhere near as bad as in the US. And there’s still substantial freedom to produce something of value, and benefit thereby, here. If you learn how things are done. For now.
But laying low, surrounded by family and friends may be the best course, too. Or go get set up some place, you always have the option of going back if that seems better as we see how things develop. Whereas, it’s getting harder to escape from the US–capital controls, tougher immigration laws in other countries, etc.
Country choice depends on your priorities. Weather. Comforts/conveniences. Crime/security. Culture. Corruption & legal framework. Go, talk to ex-pats who’ve been there for years, get the nitty gritty on the good and bad, to see if you think you would want to adapt to them.
Easiest places in South America, imo: Uruguay, Argentina, Chile (I don’t know Brazil). Somewhat more civilized, more or less white. You wouldn’t stick out until you spoke.
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9th November 2012 at 5:05 pm
Persnickety says:
@GJH: Thanks. Chile and Uruguay seem to be high on most lists, while Argentina seems pretty bad off now and for the last 30+ years. Sadly all of those have had military dictatorships in living memory, with death squads in at least two of them. I actually grew up with a kid whose parents emigrated from Uruguay to the US, partly for freedom and security. He was whiter than me, but managed to get a “hispanic” college scholarship… some trick.
To the extent I’m looking, for me, northern Europe seems most attractive. Not the easiest to get in, and yes the eurozone is collapsing as we type, but I get the feeling that Europe has had enough of total war and will find a way to get by in relatively peaceful fashion, at least if you pick the right country. Czechia and Switzerland are most interesting to me, along with the Nordic countries. Yes, none of those are easy to get in as someone other than a dirt-poor immigrant from the third world.
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9th November 2012 at 9:04 pm
Reverse Engineer says:
“My best guess is that the next phase of this Crisis will be a sudden financial implosion and the acsension of a Prophet generation leader who responds to the Crisis in a way that a large number of Americans rally behind that person and their ideas. “-JimQ
Seems unlikely to me that in this type of one-to-the-many fracture that Amerikans will rally behind any individual. Rather, like the Catalans and the Scots, there will be growing Secessionary movements and then Civil War. The FSofA will fracture much in the same way the Soviet Union did.
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9th November 2012 at 9:30 pm
Didius Julianus says:
Hey Persnickety,
Ever considered New Zealand? We are here for two years now and find it quite nice. Problems, sure, but pales in comparison to the U.S. and many other countries.
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9th November 2012 at 11:48 pm