I am going to go out on a limb and state that there are several pieces of rhetoric that, should their folly be ignored, will do little other than to lead to the destruction of credibility and in a broad and metaphorical sense, serve as nothing but a distraction which will capture the gaze of humankind as they march happily content with an empty image of beauty, head-long into an abyss.
“STOP BARKING, TOTO, I SEE SOMETHING SHINY UP THERE!!!”
It is no far cry to state that the majority of the readers of this site lean politically Libertarian, economically Austrian and bicker and banter about issues as these philosophies are inherently independent. I will insist, however, that many readers are not “purists” in the sense of these philosophies… with good reason. As much as many would like to believe, they are not decidedly Libertarian, Austrian, Republican, Conservative or any other socio-political and economic brand would have them. That is a good thing, as this allows for adjustment to real-life situations without a dogmatic view interfering with decision making that may have extremely bad effects on outcome given the environment we find ourselves living in…. the modern world. As much as many would cite these so-called “right leaning” (another misnomer) modes of thought in the rhetorical battle against “left-leaning” jargon, there are simply no all-encompassing flags any regular would rally under.
OH, I FORGOT…. SOME AROUND HERE STILL RALLY UNDER SOME ASSIPHANT
Alas, if one were to acknowledge that social science, as wishy-washy as it inherently must be, is still an attempt at rational thought and though “soft”, still a science, we have unwittingly arrived at a situation brought about long ago… perhaps even when the terms “economics” and “moral philosophy” were one and the same. That situation is best described when the theories that many like to cling to are in the process of transformation. The concepts of paradigms, their shift, theories and the assertion that often different modes of thinking cause folks to speak in effectively different languages, may cause them to wonder why they aren’t “getting through” to each other. In light of this phenomenon, it is no wonder many find different opinions to be idiocy.
LIKE TALKING EINSTEIN AT LAKE TARDICACA
For a good synopsis of the avenue I’m writing with in mind, have a look at: http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/rationality-historicist/
From which I will take some key ideas regarding Kuhn’s paradigms, quoted in italics, and proceed to pummel over-used rhetorical phrases, discarding them in the proverbial trash as a bully would a nerd in the school-yard.
“According to Kuhn, scientific practice is divided into two phases, called normal science and revolutionary science. During normal science, the dominant paradigm is neither questioned nor seriously tested.”
Does this bring anything to mind? If it doesn’t, I ask the reader how often they find themselves adhering to the common and dominant paradigm of discourse…. That is the “Right wing versus the Left Wing”…. “The Liberal versus Conservative”…. “The Democrat versus the Republican”….. “The Capitalist versus the Socialist”
Get the picture? These are the phrases of the dominant paradigm of thinking as espoused by Political Science and, I insist, are so mired in redefinition, newspeak and serious flaw that I will have no remorse for shattering the rhetoric of otherwise very intelligent and respected commentators. It needs to be done. I don’t think I’m alone in saying that the world and the mood of the Country is at a crossroad where the decisions made now cannot be mired in the mud of those past. Before proceeding, reflection is due and the unraveled edifice of what many cling to for a guide will not serve to anchor the heart as it has before.
I WOULDN’T COUNT ON RUNNING WITH THOSE SPECIOUS THEORIES THERE BUDDY, WHADDAYA THINK?
“During a period of revolutionary science, the scientific community actively debates the underlying principles of the dominant paradigm and its rivals. Thus, the business- as-usual of routine problem solving is suspended until a new paradigm (or perhaps the old one) establishes dominance.”
So what exactly will establish dominance? I think it is safe to say that during the time of obvious transformation we live in…. whether one believes in linear history or cyclical generational history…. We are enduring a transmutation of ideas which, as time progresses, will engender a response from those who have arrived at the point of conclusion regarding socio-political and economic fundamentals which will reflect a sad clinging to old paradigm and further, fervent fighting for those bedrock ideals thought to be in danger. The result of this fight will result in dominant thinking, but at the same time, will yield a whole new way of approaching problems not necessarily reflected in the previous paradigm:
“The supposed result of these features is that the proponents of different paradigms will often be unable to communicate with each other, and that, even when they can communicate, their standards of assessment will always favor their own paradigms. Thus, there is no rational basis for choosing between paradigms: the switch from one worldview to another is not so much a reasoned matter as the scientific equivalent of a perceptual gestalt shift. On this view, the transition between paradigms is best explained sociologically, in terms of institutional might, polemics and perhaps generational replacement.”
If you doubt my forecast, as broad and general as it may be, by all means feel free to do so, but history and the ticking clock, I assume, will not be on your side.
Now enough of the beating around the bush, time to sink the pink into the silk purse: Following are some of the tired, dated misnomers that are full of shit, folly and deserve discarding:
“DARWINISM=SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST”
Oh, folks just love that one. It sounds great and creates visions of the great frontier where the lion is king of the jungle and all the rest of the animals line up to pay homage…. Further, built on this premise, people equate this bastardization as some sort of divine justification of the natural world regarding their wealth and societal status…. That somehow people are poor because they are dumb and these ever-growing masses will feel the cull while the wealthy, who are “smart” will ride into the sunset on the wave of the laws of nature.
Rubbish!!!
“It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent that survives. It is the one that is the most adaptable to change.”
-Charles Darwin
That changes things a little. “Survival of the Adaptable” begins to take on a more somber tone and frankly means that only by being most able to respond to changing conditions will one prevail in the short and long term. That changes the rhetoric, and frankly that’s a good thing. Clinging to fallacy to fulfill some sort of fantasy will, in time, prove superfluous. For those who insist that this convenient change to the phrase regarding natural selection applies to the rugged individual carving his share of the spoils of life, I will leave the following truth in nature for you to mull over:
“In the long history of humankind (and animal kind, too) those who learned to collaborate and improvise most effectively have prevailed.”
-Charles Darwin
THAT KINDA CHANGES THE WHOLE CONVERSATION, DOESN’T IT?
CAPITALISM and SOCIALISM
We’re just about at the point where these phrases should be all but tossed. People don’t even agree on their meaning and ascribe such differing definitions that mentioning “Capitalism” or “Socialism” are as vague as could be imagined. The only anchors to solidify these definitions are the terms “private property” and “Public Property”… with the terms “public” and “private” carrying even more definitions.
If you wish to be more accurate, the surplus between any income, minus expenditure put to the use of acquiring more income could be said to be “Capital”, but this situation has existed for millennia before the idea of “Capitalism”. Often, any sort of government run or implemented program of any sort is referred to as “Socialism”, but this situation too has existed for millennia.
Layer upon layer upon layer of idea and fervent emotional reaction has been ascribed to these terms, born of half-truth and obfuscation that I really see no viable option but to toss the phrases. Perhaps I can give some examples, mixed with the rhetorical nimrod-ery, so common that even I find myself guilty of their use:
1) “Liberals”
This is the biggest piece of newspeak rhetoric that ever became accepted amongst otherwise thinking people. Every time I hear “Liberal” I shudder to think that I hear nothing but a mid-1990’s talk-jock parrot…. And I’m correct. I know, as I’ve listened to talk radio for a very, very long time on the job and have the wherewithal and thankfully, the blessing of being wont to not study up on lines I’m being fed. Look further into this phrase and often one will find the user is full of shit and interest-driven.
LUDWIG VON MISES: A BIG GOVERNMENT LIBERAL
2) “Free Market Capitalism”
Rare indeed. There is a difference in economics between markets and that difference is blurred with ignorant impunity by so many that perhaps a review of survey-level economics is in order.
There are PERFECTLY COMPETITIVE MARKETS that generally exist in that never-land that actual communism does, meaning that it is a naïve and oversimplified situation and get this, in the long run, the firm will make only normal profit (zero economic profit). Be my guest and read up on it. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_competition#Basic_structural_characteristics )
There are MONOPOLISTIC ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_competition#Basic_structural_characteristics ) , MONOPOLISTICALLY COMPETITIVE ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopolistic_competition#Major_characteristics ) and OLIGOPOLISTIC ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oligopoly#Characteristics ) markets that are closer to reality and frankly, offer manipulation, inefficiency and dead-weight loss born by producer or consumer depending on the elasticity of the demand for the product.
So tell me, what is “Free Market” capitalism again?
“DUH MOTHERFUCKER ITS LIKE THAT SUPPLY AND DEMAND. FUGGIN MORANS.”
3) CORPORATION
A corporation is a proxy entity created for the purpose of distributing decision and the liability associated with it. It is a framework chartered by government, for government purposes and for some reason people confuse a corporate entity with individualism and private property. Somehow, along the way, people forget that the modern government is an incorporated structure itself, placed in the seat of ruler-ship, with its constitution being its charter wherein the rules for its directorship… or ownership if you will…. Are set forth and interpreted. To argue against this is beyond ignorant.
A “privately held” corporation is the incorporated manifestation of those who, according to the directive set in the corporate charter constituting the legal basis for the incorporation of the entity, carries out said objective while providing a shield from liability associated with the activities. There are privately held corporations and publicly traded corporations. There are corporations based on capital accumulation for its shareholders and corporations based on labor (unions). Hence the rhetoric behind the term being cloudy. Corporations versus unions. Corporations versus government. Corporations versus people.
Can we acknowledge that corporate structure itself is the antithesis of individualism? Can the rhetoric of the ideals of “Capitalism” calling upon “personal responsibility” really pass on people’s ears in the same sentence with a nod? I guess so, but don’t tell me the notion isn’t deceiving in all honesty. Perhaps the argument can be sliced and diced as to the voluntary and involuntary participation of ownership and clientele…. But I would again invite a read-up on market structures and an answer to just when is this participation voluntary? Really…. That in itself is a great paradigm to speak in tongues to each other in.
“IT WILL MAKE A FINE KING, AN ASTUTE BUSINESSMAN, AND FATHER TO MY CHILDREN!”
4) SOCIALISM
Socialism is the ownership of product producing corporations by those corporations chartered to govern. When and why this happens is open to good debates. Some say that the Government should be a small corporation and we should be governed by big private corporations via monopolies and oligopolies. These are the people the droolers and bird-watching agitators wearing Che shirts call “Free Market Capitalists”. Mussolini called them by another name, and he of all persons knew the meaning quite well as he basically invented it: Fascism. He was quite honest in the assertion that the State was the new Royalty and that the Corporate business interests were the new nobility. The people were the peons to the new Royalty, used for labor and warfare.
Some say that the corporation for government ought to provide for education, the eradication of pestilence, infrastructure, defense, courts, weight and measure, post offices, law enforcement and even the registration of vessels. Hell, even those areas of public interest that could not be carried out with sufficient profit to warrant a private corporation risking its capital (but not its owners liability) are called upon by some to be carried out by a government corporation. EVEN TAXATION!!!
ADAM SMITH, DYED IN THE WOOL SOCIALIST
5) Unintended Consequence
Yeah, I’m going there. It’s a law, right? That actions create not only desired outcomes but undesirable ones… lucky ones…. Unlucky ones. Welcome to cause and effect, folks. Sorry, but the people who use this term seem to forget that unintended consequences arise from not only government action (which I contend is corporate action) but from all action. Often, one may hear the old “doing nothing at all is the same as doing something” out of the other side of the mouths of the purveyor of “The Law”.
So which is it?
It’s both, and that’s life. Take action and there is reaction. Take no action and there is still action reacting about your decision (or lack of). It simply becomes a question of activity or passivity. Until one can boast omniscience, no decision lacks unintended consequences. When spouted by the anarchistic, I laugh heartily. Rarely does one understand the consequence of a lack of orderly society…. Or of governance. Sorry folks, you may not be a cretin with the foresight of a mole, but that doesn’t mean that a lack of collective action on your part won’t result in that very same cretin rolling a pile of shit on your head and the heads of those around you.
I understand that this may be blasphemy to the anarcho-capitalist and the purveyor of the theory that things sort themselves out, however, what are the unintended consequences of being passive?
“I DON’T KNOW, MARTHA…. WHAT ABOUT UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES?!”
So you see, that it is with great perplexity that the modern political and economic forum is awash in newspeak and confusion. Truly, I am often at a loss for words at the belligerent use of such confused paradigm and theory…. Not only in others but certainly, first and foremost, in myself. By what admission or challenge can be set forth that at the very least, people can be conceptually honest and explore different rhetorical terms without sounding like a gibbering sod, drooling about in a world of phantasm and dishonest discourse, all the while bearing the plastic badge of honor among their peers of similar disposition?
“YEAH!!! PUSH IT!!!!”
Riddle me that, and perhaps we can ride the shift in language, in understanding, definition and ultimately the mode of thought that the future will inevitably thrust on us all.
After all, if the only certainty in the universe is its transitory nature, isn’t the greatest of sentient folly that of remaining content in the fleeting moment that “having it all figured out” truly is?
SO WHO’S ASS DO I HAVE TO PUMMEL FIRST?
Colma Rising says:
So who gets the first lumps?
Let’s Rumble, Bitches.
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18th November 2012 at 3:09 pm
Roysyl says:
If you determine the definition of words you will never loose an argument: Rush Limbaugh’s modus operandi. This epistle is truly a Blivet, I only made it halfway through.
Roy
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18th November 2012 at 3:54 pm
AWD says:
Colmes
Your investment in education has obviously paid off. You’ve become a confused intellectual (virtually no higher compliment can be given these days). Lots of excellent information and views presented, but I didn’t quite get your point, other than, once again, there is inherent confusion. Maybe that is your point.
What I see underlying it all is status-quo European values (EV) versus progressive moral relativism. The massive debt and money creation of the last 40 years is clearly moral relativism, it goes against typical European values of producing, saving, and thrift (and sound money). And from earning a living to becoming entitled and somebody else paying your way. Yet, more people have gotten rich (and screwed the shit out of the average person) by creating debt and printing money. Debt has fueled a magnificent standard of living. Moral relativists believe that somehow the debt doesn’t matter, while EV’s keep waiting for an explosion of the debt bubble, which may never come.
People voted in favor of moral relativism, but not everyone. They believe the state, and especially the Central Banks will solve all our problems. Yet, more people are in poverty than ever before. 50 million Americans are now in poverty (whatever that means in the U.S.). But at the end of the day, demographics are always the most important factor. EV’s are slipping away, in reality and in pure numbers. White people will be minorities in the country they founded and built. Unlike in history, there is no place new to settle, no place to move to that isn’t already occupied, no place for pilgrims and outcasts to go. Therefore, everyone will turn on everyone else. Survival of the fittest indeed. You haven’t seen nothing yet.
There are laws of nature, laws of physics, laws of right and wrong, and someday soon, we will see the results of the laws of moral relativism (that there aren’t any laws). The rule of law is now relative (based on money), but some laws are not mutable based on money and greed. We can’t peek behind the curtain and see what happens to those that sin against everything that is good and right (after they die). We can only imagine and hope. I don’t know what my point is either, but your article provoked thought, always a good thing. Just enjoy the day. What else do we have? Trying to get the shit-throwing monkeys on TBP to somehow change their viewpoint? Good luck with that.
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18th November 2012 at 4:08 pm
Colma Rising says:
The post is about just that: The determination of meanings.
When you actually use a dictionary and tear through newspeak, frame logical questions and truly get into the nitty-gritty of what people defend their paradigms with (I didn’t get much into the Lakatos angle, a very thought-provoking mode of analysis), those with rigid interest and the lack of mental capacity to think critically tend to “not make it halfway through”.
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18th November 2012 at 4:11 pm
crazyivan says:
Well I guess that would be me.
What the fuck is wrong with you
I really really really tried to read that whole thing. I would stop, start over, slower this time…lose track and have to start over. Skip ahead , go back. None of it helped.
I’m hoping that you are shooting for a carreer in acidemia, cuz you sure ain’t no Will Rogers.
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18th November 2012 at 4:25 pm
Colma Rising says:
AWD:
“Progressivism” is a normative mode of thinking, part and parcel to Herbert Spencer’s “social darwinism”, Margaret Sanger’s eugenics, and is at its root an elitist way of thinking.
Simply put, the evolution of society being hastened by scientific application, political reformation, the tutelage of lesser developed society under the developed societies are the foundations of Progressivism.
Progressivism is the fundamental political philosophy under which the dreams of global evolution transformed into political force are based. Moral relativism is simply a way to undermine those things considered an obstacle to this end: Exceptionalism and Nationalism.
Trust me, AWD, I am not trying to change opinions.
I am pointing out how dishonest many opinions are. I’m pointing out that those who ascribe to things against their interest based on belligerence and the bastardization of definition are, almost by definition, useful idiots, no better than any other useful idiot.
Sorry AWD: The Republican Party is a globalist, progressive party of the Neoclassical persuasion, The democrats a globalist, progressive party of the Neokeynesian persuasion. Under this political duopoly, monetarism and corporatism will tag team until world-wide parity is reached… the individual and sovereign be dammed.
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18th November 2012 at 4:36 pm
Colma Rising says:
Ivan:
I included pictures just for you. Find one part… perhaps an easy one like “Darwinism”… and read under the caption.
Or better yet, go find your coloring books and try to stay in the lines with your crayolas.
Focus, don’t scribble, Ivan! You can do it….
Good boy.
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18th November 2012 at 4:41 pm
crazyivan says:
“It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent that survives. It is the one that is the most adaptable to change.”
-Charles Darwin
My point exactly profossor,
Stay in school, you will do well there.
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18th November 2012 at 4:49 pm
AWD says:
You continue to ignore demographics. Each demographic group has their own values, morals and ethics. Look at each demographic group. What have they contributed, produced, and built throughout history and today? Africa? The Middle East? Meso-American/Mexican? Oh well. It is easier to adapt than be strong or intelligent. It’s easier to go on disability than work. Easier to have kids at 15, out of wedlock, than to work. It is easier to buy cheap Chinese crap and Japanese cars (and send $500 billion a year overseas) than produce goods here. It’s easier to go into debt than work, produce and save.
Americans have taken the easy way out. Values and morals underlie (supposedly) political power, at least they used to, but don’t anymore. Moral failure is the last failing of every civilization in history. Morals, values, and ethics; They are gone now, just grab all the free shit you can, buy all the cheap shit you can, debt is not an issue, and anything and anybody can be bought. Game over. Intellectualizing is how we got into this mess.
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18th November 2012 at 5:09 pm
Colma Rising says:
Ignoring demographics? How’s that?
Progressivism is a European idea.
MITT ROMNEY IS A GLOBALIST, MORALLY RELATIVISTIC PROGRESSIVE.
People, as much as you would like to wish otherwise, didn’t vote fore such a simplistic concept. People didn’t look at their ballots and vote “Moral Relativist” versus “Moral Absolutist”. Moral Relativism is engrained in our society now, and the effects are showing. People voted what they thought was the best choice…. right or wrong, they voted for what they thought were their interests.
A shit ton of useful idiots voted for Romney, a shit ton plus for Obama.
Democracy is a bitch. You are subject to the rule of a proxy vote, the Electoral College, which is doctored by procedure to vote how the majority of a minority (the registered and active voter) decide. The warnings against this are loud and clear throughout the rare instance in history when men are not ruled directly by a monarch:
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18th November 2012 at 5:43 pm
Colma Rising says:
AWD: “EV’s are slipping away, in reality and in pure numbers. White people will be minorities in the country they founded and built.”
European Values are called “Chinese Values” now. I refuse to take the blame for people who imported cheap labor along the way and wondered wtf. Shit. Talk about unintended consequences.
AWD: “Unlike in history, there is no place new to settle, no place to move to that isn’t already occupied, no place for pilgrims and outcasts to go.”
That’s why I am fond of saying “There is no frontier, go cry in your pillows”
AWD: “Therefore, everyone will turn on everyone else. Survival of the fittest indeed. You haven’t seen nothing yet.”
The “fittest” will be those most adaptable to shock and new conditions…. which implies those who fuck and make babies the most, organize into groups and cooperate and end up doing so for several generations.
Sounds like a co-ed prison. Sounds like you better make friends with the Mexicans before you get cornholed by KuntaKinte…. The asians sure as shit don’t want to mix with the White Barbarians.
Cause, effect and demographics. Talk about the Law of Unintended Consequences…. or was it intended? If it was, you’ve been sold out folks.
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18th November 2012 at 6:02 pm
Anonymous says:
I’ve tried to keep the idiots that ran for president out of my discussion, and you keep dumping them in. Oh well again. I didn’t vote. Politics is a sick joke. A useful idiot is still an idiot. The criminals in Washington don’t represent us, we are their servants and employees.
“Moral Relativism is engrained in our society now, and the effects are showing”
That was my point exactly. Once morals, ethics, and values are gone, it’s all relative. And it’s all relative in that anything, justice, elections/votes, well, ANYTHING can now be bought.
I was thinking of a few things, back when guilt and shame had some meaning. Baby boomers didn’t like guilt or shame, it interfered with their entitlement, consumption, and destroying the moral and ethical fiber of this nation. Not that I enjoy guilt and shame, but guilt and shame prevent people from bowing to their lower nature.
Now that’s gone, people are just livestock for their masters. All the consequences of bad behavior have been removed as someone else is now responsible for the masses (or at least 47% of the masses). Someone else is now responsible for feeding, housing, healthcare, medicine, phones, internet, transportation, and this care is now for the rest of their lives. The government is the panacea, the opiate of the masses (until it can’t borrow any more, can’t tax anymore, and runs out of money).
Since, in reality and in fact, people will always be responsible for themselves, no matter how much they wish otherwise, once responsibility is thrown back into the dependent/entitlement crowd’s face, via austerity or whatever you choose to call it, they will be most unhappy. In the meantime,
It used to be shameful to be on food stamps
It used to be shameful to be on welfare
Being disabled used to mean you weren’t able to do stuff
It used to be shameful to be obese and gluttonous
It used to be shameful to be lazy and slothful
It used to be shameful to have children out of wedlock (little bastards)
It used to be shameful for a white girl to fuck a black dude
It used to be shameful to lie, cheat, steal, or commit fraud
It used to be shameful to cheat on your spouse
What’s great about TBP, in my opinion, is that it’s all us people with old, outdated European values, pissing and moaning as our values and world are being wiped out. We will be minorities soon, but will be too old to get entitlements and affirmative action. Society is already leaving us behind.
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18th November 2012 at 6:15 pm
AWD says:
“European Values are called “Chinese Values” now.”
Asians evolved away from feudalism and adapted capitalism. Is it any wonder they are kicking our asses? They value educations, hard work, saving, families and frown on consumption and debt. What do we value? Greed, sloth, envy, gluttony, wrath, lust.
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18th November 2012 at 6:21 pm
intj says:
we can ride the shift in language, in understanding, definition and ultimately the mode of thought that the future will inevitably thrust on us all.
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Perhaps it would be better to stick with perceptions that may change rather than holding to beliefs that may need defending – but still – dictionaries and wiki are not going to matter to those driven by fear and envy.
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18th November 2012 at 6:25 pm
llpoh says:
Colma, I love, you, but, damn, you speaka da language dat I am jus’ cannot understand. A bit of applause from your favorite show, in gratitude for your efforts:
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18th November 2012 at 6:46 pm
llpoh says:
And I do not know how this applies to anything, but … damn!!!
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18th November 2012 at 6:48 pm
Colma Rising says:
Asians have adopted state-sponsored oligopoly with a mercantilist approach to international trade. They are a fixed exchange rate regime with a growing “middle class” market.
They had a subservient and plentiful low-skilled labor base and an expanding high-skilled labor base which has already begun to show signs of the inevitable in a more educated population where the state cannot control information as much as they’d like….
Give it a few years…. They will direct their frustrations either inward or outward, depending on who or what captures their attention.
To borrow from llpoh:
This will not end well and there will inevitably be suffering.
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18th November 2012 at 6:54 pm
Novista says:
“Defining your terms” always helps with a serious discussion. Or you can apply a definition in an unusual way — like saying Willie Sutton, John Dillinger, Bonnie and Clyde, and Stephen Trantel were progressives because “they were redistributing the wealth”. Heh.
About 50 years ago, I discovered Herbert Spencer coined the phrase “survival of the fittest”, hmmm.
A U.S. liberal of, say, 1840 would look at the 20th century and wonder, WTF? Some things evolve, others degrade and everybody has an agenda.
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18th November 2012 at 7:06 pm
Colma Rising says:
llpoh:
Funny, I watched the tutorial to make links in posts, edited the post and when I did, that Cur on a Cruise Ship, the abominable Administrator had posted the article, sending my beautiful edit to wp hell. Anyway, read this link:
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/rationality-historicist/
Then, try your Colma Decoder Ring again.
Quick translation: People are full of shit and operate from a perceptive bubble filled with the noxious sewage of half-truth and ignorance. This will eventually become apparent in the long term, as those ideas we base our conclusions on will, if not honestly assessed, show their true composition.
There is no way around this but to face facts.
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18th November 2012 at 7:10 pm
llpoh says:
Colma – I will try to do what I can to increase the readership of this thread:
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18th November 2012 at 7:12 pm
Colma Rising says:
NOVISTA:
I knew I could count on you to get the gist. I had you in mind when I wrote the “Law Of Unintended Consequences” section…. haha. I wanted to ruffle your feathers. Shake the jar.
Side note: Is your fiction in print yet? I was going to get the kindle version but I prefer hard-copies.
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18th November 2012 at 7:14 pm
Colma Rising says:
The shaking booty is hypnotizing.
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18th November 2012 at 7:17 pm
llpoh says:
So Colma prefers booty:
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18th November 2012 at 7:25 pm
llpoh says:
And all you could ever ask for:
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18th November 2012 at 7:39 pm
Roysyl says:
After reading the comments I have reached a probable profile of Colma, a thin skinned pedantic in academia. I doubt if he has a PhD in an objective field, more likely a Doctorate in a subjective area where regurgitating without critical thinking is required but being able to call yourself Dr. Considering the feminizing of men he probably has some sort of designer facial hair since that is the only thing today’s wusses can do that woman can’t. How am I doing?
Roy
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18th November 2012 at 8:08 pm
Colma Rising says:
I called it perfectly. I’m talking Einstein at Lake Tardicaca.
My evil landlady got cable lately, and I was watching some “news”. Holy shit. What a joke. If you actually watch that and let it affect your emotions, you are a fucking tool. If you let the radio affect your emotions, you are a fucking tool. There’s some bulbous-headed cretin talking the “Fiscal Cliff”. Holy shit that’s hilarious. You’re afraid of that?
Someone’s gotta say it: The so-called “Fiscal Cliff” is a buzzword for reality. Our taxes will HAVE to go up. Cuts will HAVE to be made. I think the so-called “fiscal cliff” is the best thing to happen. Why? Because it’s the closest thing to acknowledging that what we call a “recovery” is bullshit. Because it is the closest thing to HONESTY and FACT we will see for a while.
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18th November 2012 at 8:13 pm
llpoh says:
Roy – missed it by a mile. I think he is still pursuing has BA, in a business field, I think. Roy, please feel free to write and post your own threads. Colma has put himself out there by so doing, and he cops shit as a result. He is doing what he can to support the site.
Maybe you should try to find out more about folks before you shoot your mouth off. Colma is a young person with good insights (although I do not especially like his Boomer stuff – go figure!). And maybe you should do a bit more yourself to help out, given you seem so sure of yourself.
I am being nice to you here – one of my roles (self-appointed, to be sure) is to defend the long-term members of the site. You have seemed a reasonable addition to the place to date, and I bid you welcome. But shit like the last post will put you on thin ice.
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18th November 2012 at 8:16 pm
llpoh says:
Colma – there is no reason taxes have to go up – what the fuck! No reason whatsoever. The problem is too much is spent. and until they address that – which will be never – all other actions they take will fail. They can save hundreds of billions in military expendiure each year. The can save on transfer payments. They can cut layers of government. International aid can be slashed. Etc etc etc.
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18th November 2012 at 8:19 pm
llpoh says:
Colma – I have tried boobies and booties to reel in some comments from the monkies. No luck so far. I will resort to another tack to try to get them to come on in:
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18th November 2012 at 8:21 pm
Colma Rising says:
Hey, did you guys see that?
Royjasil called me an academic!!!
Bitch, I do pushups til my knuckles bleed, build shit for yuppies and still go to school.
I’m like a cracker-jack box version of a renaissance man. Look at that.
So what made your head feel like a box of granite? Was it the concept of the corporation? Let me guess, the go-lem picture threw you off. Maybe the econ 101 regarding markets?
I don’t see any math in the article… that can’t be it.
It’s written in English… maybe not in 3rd grade block-font… but it is English.
Seriously.
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18th November 2012 at 8:21 pm
Reverse Engineer says:
The thesis here seems to be that there is something wrong with EVERYBODY’S philosophical and/or political take ont he situation, which is an accurate observation but I can;t find any thesis in the argument.
What would be the CORRECT way out of the mess? Reading the above, it is obviously not Socialism, not Capitalism,not Fascism, not Liberalism, not Conservatism, not Progressivism, not Recidivism…
So you got a cacophany here and NOBODY has an “answer” to the problem. At least that is what I get out of this.
BTW Colma, don’t EVER accuse me of being long–winded and confusing EVER again. LOL.
RE
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18th November 2012 at 8:26 pm
Reverse Engineer says:
That second “thesis” in P1 should have read “synthesis”.
RE
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18th November 2012 at 8:28 pm
llpoh says:
Colma – RE thinks you are a blowhard! I hope you know that that is one of the worst bitch slappings ever delivered on this site. You gonna sit there and take it?
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18th November 2012 at 8:29 pm
JIMSKI says:
So im on this blog and my wife has been giving me hints about tonights activities. You know married stuff? Anyways im reading this long winded post that goes no where and the replies that go no where and then some unrelated pictures are thrown in. Over my shoulder i hear what the hell are you watching………….
So now i would just like to say you all suck.
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18th November 2012 at 8:32 pm
Colma Rising says:
Thanks, llpoh. I wrote this to rattle some cages over a slow weekend. Maybe more will see it tomorrow.
RE taxes: I don’t advocate taxes or inflation. I too believe that there is so much fat to cut, it isn’t funny anymore.
I’m saying that the pooch has been screwed so bad it’s playing dead. The economy is a sham…. I contend it’s been so since at least 1999.
There is no way out. The taxes will be raised, the cuts will be made and the rest will be taken from the value of the currency. I strongly anticipate a real hot war as well, as this is considered the Holy Grail of economic stimulus in the textbooks written by the very people who make our policy (hooray technocrats).
It has to happen and it won’t be pretty.
It’s the same idea as the article kinda-sorta. We’re being fed bullshit disguised as concepts we know and love…. but it’s not going to fly.
Reboot.
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18th November 2012 at 8:34 pm
AWD says:
Colma runs an intellectual piece, and some people just don’t get it.
So much for intellectualism. Most people don’t know how to think anymore, only react.
For fuck sake, don’t watch the news. Constant fear generator.
Keep it up, Colmes, fuck ‘em if they don’t get it.
and don’t forget, BBES
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18th November 2012 at 8:43 pm
Colma Rising says:
The Frigid Ice King said: “The thesis here seems to be that there is something wrong with EVERYBODY’S philosophical and/or political take ont he situation, which is an accurate observation but I can;t find any thesis in the argument.”
RE you snotty, ivy league Illuminati Pig Man: I had to give that a thumbs up.
There is no thesis. It is intended to shatter thesis by going to hollow foundations people constantly lean on.
If there is any thesis, ahem, it is that we are in that period… at least in the realm of social science (which, like it or not, 95% of the blog is about)… when we get to experience in real-time, those shifts Lakatos and Kuhn wrote about.
Fuck you, llpoh. It’s true. RE just gave me some medicine. Fuck you ivy league douche bags.
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18th November 2012 at 8:44 pm
AWD says:
Bonus points for Lipoh and his massive T & A, well done
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18th November 2012 at 8:46 pm
Mary Malone says:
@Colma Thanks so much for making the intellectual argument that socialist, marxists, globalists are all all cut from the same cloth.
At this point tho, I don’t care what they call themselves. Their philosophies and the results of their policies really suck. I hate 4th turnings…you?
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18th November 2012 at 8:50 pm
Colma Rising says:
JIMSKI:
Just look at the tits and let the grown ups talk bookreadin’.
AWD: Only Baby Boomers like that dubious Reverse Engineer would dare say there is an easy answer…
But regarding frontiers, maybe heading north and squatting in Canada is a place for the rugged pilgrim and outcast….
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18th November 2012 at 8:52 pm
Colma Rising says:
Mary Malone: Thank you. By changing and mixing definition, persuading people to do things which may be against their convictions is an easier task.
When I said Baby Boomers, I didn’t mean you.
And please excuse these infant-minded school children and their offensive gifs.
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18th November 2012 at 8:59 pm
Kill Bill says:
I doubt our so called elected representatives give a crap about historicist theories of rationality as they sell their office to special interests then look for ways to get their base to support their agenda by appealing to their bases desires or dislikes.
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18th November 2012 at 9:00 pm
AWD says:
Tits and thoughts, that’s what TBP is all about.
Questioning definitions is like integral calculus. You have to define the definitions you are trying question. Pretty soon everything becomes derived (and relative). The MSM derives their own definitions, like “the fiscal cliff” or “no fly zone” and people accept it like pablum. The fascists used and depended on this to redefine society as they saw fit. We have brutality also, and leaders who create their own definition of things. And central banks to distort, create, and dictate entire economies. What a mess. The big boys are pushing hard for globalization and succeeding, if they can forever outrun global debt. I say they can’t.
Again, once the moral, ethical, and value framework is gone (vis-a-vis baby boomers) you can define anything any way you want, and, more importantly do anything you want. Look what that has gotten us: chaos. The social order and fabric continues to degenerate daily. We don’t have much to look forward to, as a society; as individuals, which is all that really matters, we are still free to think and decide, those of us that are still able to think and decide. The sheep don’t care (about being sheep), no responsibility in being a sheep (unless RE is trying to corn-hole ya).
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18th November 2012 at 9:06 pm
Kill Bill says:
Jeebus, how can you debate with anyone that automatically blames EVERYTHING on a group of people, consisting of many differing ideologies, beliefs, race and culture, born from 1945 to 1964?
Generalistic Bullshit.
And stupid to boot.
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18th November 2012 at 9:26 pm
Kill Bill says:
The moon is moving away from earth and there was a Tsunami in Japan and a Frankenstorm that will hit the east coast. O and the cruise ship tipped over.
AWD: The Baby Boomers Did it!!!
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18th November 2012 at 9:30 pm
Kill Bill says:
By changing and mixing definition, persuading people to do things which may be against their convictions is an easier task. -CR
Sure, its what pundits do. George Lakoff called it framing. Grank Luntz got groups of people together and had them watch some video and had them twist knobs when a word or phrase caused them some emotional reaction by twisting knobs and then use those words to influence peoples decisions.
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18th November 2012 at 9:35 pm
Kill Bill says:
*Frank Luntz
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18th November 2012 at 9:35 pm
Colma Rising says:
Bill: Doubt politicians give a crap about definitions? Oh, we KNOW they don’t.
I’ll throw you a bone so you unruffle your gray feathers:
Politicians of any generation will try to keep their jobs and pad their seats.
So what’s your debate?
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18th November 2012 at 9:38 pm
Colma Rising says:
Where is SSS?
I know you’re out there, Primo. The Go-lem (corporation section) and the happy wizard caption was just for you.
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18th November 2012 at 9:50 pm
Roysyl says:
lloph – My comments where based on the comments by other posts on this thread. I was responding to being called a “lead headed cretin”. Would you respond if you were called that? That is why I was “shooting my mouth off.””
I would start threads if I knew how. I am a computer klutz. I gave up on computers when I was doing binary programming. Move up to management.
What do you mean by “helping out”?
As self appointed hall monitor would you defend all long time posters in lemming fashion? Seniority has its rights.
I see many posters being content with chattel slavery and desiring only a just master. There is little discussion of the exponential function, the Laws of Thermodynamics or depletion of finite resources for starters.
I did the math 45 years ago and concluded that at some time in an unknown future the survivors would have to live like the Amish and Old Order Mennonites lived in my Grandparents day. I am almost prepared to live like that when necessary.
lloph – My comments where based on the comments by other posts on this thread. I was responding to being called a “lead headed cretin”. Would you respond if you were called that? That is why I was “shooting my mouth off.””
I would start threads if I knew how. I am a computer klutz. I gave up on computers when I was doing binary programming. Move up to management.
What do you mean by “helping out”?
As self appointed hall monitor would you defend all long time posters in lemming fashion? Seniority has its rights.
I see many posters being content with chattel slavery and desiring only a just master. There is little discussion of the exponential function, the Laws of Thermodynamics or depletion of finite resources for starters.
I did the math 45 years ago and concluded that at some time in an unknown future the survivors would have to live like the Amish and Old Order Mennonites lived in my Grandparents day. I am almost prepared to live like that when necessary.
lloph – My comments where based on the comments by other posts on this thread. I was responding to being called a “lead headed cretin”. Would you respond if you were called that? That is why I was “shooting my mouth off.””
I would start threads if I knew how. I am a computer klutz. I gave up on computers when I was doing binary programming. Move up to management.
What do you mean by “helping out”?
As self appointed hall monitor would you defend all long time posters in lemming fashion? Seniority has its rights.
I see many posters being content with chattel slavery and desiring only a just master. There is little discussion of the exponential function, the Laws of Thermodynamics or depletion of finite resources for starters.
I did the math 45 years ago and concluded that at some time in an unknown future the survivors would have to live like the Amish and Old Order Mennonites lived in my Grandparents day. I am almost prepared to live like that when necessary.
lloph – My comments where based on the comments by other posts on this thread. I was responding to being called a “lead headed cretin”. Would you respond if you were called that? That is why I was “shooting my mouth off.””
I would start threads if I knew how. I am a computer klutz. I gave up on computers when I was doing binary programming. Move up to management.
What do you mean by “helping out”?
As self appointed hall monitor would you defend all long time posters in lemming fashion? Seniority has its rights.
I see many posters being content with chattel slavery and desiring only a just master. There is little discussion of the exponential function, the Laws of Thermodynamics or depletion of finite resources for starters.
I did the math 45 years ago and concluded that at some time in an unknown future the survivors would have to live like the Amish and Old Order Mennonites lived in my Grandparents day. I am almost prepared to live like that when necessary.
lloph – My comments where based on the comments by other posts on this thread. I was responding to being called a “lead headed cretin”. Would you respond if you were called that? That is why I was “shooting my mouth off.””
I would start threads if I knew how. I am a computer klutz. I gave up on computers when I was doing binary programming. Move up to management.
What do you mean by “helping out”?
As self appointed hall monitor would you defend all long time posters in lemming fashion? Seniority has its rights.
I see many posters being content with chattel slavery and desiring only a just master. There is little discussion of the exponential function, the Laws of Thermodynamics or depletion of finite resources for starters.
I did the math 45 years ago and concluded that at some time in an unknown future the survivors would have to live like the Amish and Old Order Mennonites lived in my Grandparents day. I am almost prepared to live like that when necessary.
lloph – My comments where based on the comments by other posts on this thread. I was responding to being called a “lead headed cretin”. Would you respond if you were called that? That is why I was “shooting my mouth off.””
I would start threads if I knew how. I am a computer klutz. I gave up on computers when I was doing binary programming. Move up to management.
What do you mean by “helping out”?
As self appointed hall monitor would you defend all long time posters in lemming fashion? Seniority has its rights.
I see many posters being content with chattel slavery and desiring only a just master. There is little discussion of the exponential function, the Laws of Thermodynamics or depletion of finite resources for starters.
I did the math 45 years ago and concluded that at some time in an unknown future the survivors would have to live like the Amish and Old Order Mennonites lived in my Grandparents day. I am almost prepared to live like that when necessary.
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18th November 2012 at 10:34 pm
Roysyl says:
Sorry about all the copies. I said I was a computer klutz!
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18th November 2012 at 10:36 pm
Hollow man says:
Why not be honest and mean what you say. There are words that describe those types of people.
Changing defitions to persaude makes people lairs, who steal from people.
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18th November 2012 at 10:40 pm
Reverse Engineer says:
“RE you snotty, ivy league Illuminati Pig Man: I had to give that a thumbs up.
There is no thesis. It is intended to shatter thesis by going to hollow foundations people constantly lean on. “-Colma
Ever read John Ward on Tbe Slog? He does much the same thing with the Tories and Labor and Euroclowns, deconstructing EVERYBODY, but I have yet to read anything from John that suggests any kind of reasonable solution to the problems over in eurotrashland.
For your Follow-Up article, I suggest you write the Colma Manifesto and explain to all the TBP Commentariat the Colma Final Solution
I am ON Record with mine, well OVER 7M DEAD PEOPLE and Reverse Engineering to Paleolithic Living for Homo Sapiens. Where do you see it going? Are you Uber Doom for an Extinction Level Event? Full Doom Fascism with a Boot Stomping on the Face of Humanity Forever by the Illuminati? Doom Lite with a 20 year long 4th Turning before the Phoenix Rises from the Ashes for a new 1st turning? Where do you stand in the Pantheon of DOOM?
RE
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18th November 2012 at 10:48 pm
llpoh says:
Roy – lead headed cretin is a term of endearment around here. Especially from Colma. Even Avalon bitch slaps his ass every now and then, he is such a soft-hearted pussy, but likes to talk tough every now and then. We indulge him. He even said “fuck you” to me earlier. As I said, he gets credit for what he is trying to do. By help out, you can post some threads. That is always welcomed.
Here is Colma taking on the big dogs again:
Isn’t he cute!
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18th November 2012 at 10:52 pm
Roysyl says:
llpoh – ” lead headed cretin is a term of endearment around here.” I am capable of telling the difference between raining and somebody pissing on my head, are you?
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18th November 2012 at 11:39 pm
llpoh says:
Seriously, Roysyl, that was nada. It was a bit of fun. If someone has a real bone to pick with you, you will know it. Colma was just playing – he can get down-right nasty in his own sort of way if he wants, and he did not. It was said in a tag line no less.
Please grow some thicker skin, or you will not last. Because ultimately you will run into someone who is not playing, and you will realize that lead-headed cretin was in fact a gentle prod. He is just trying to stir up some shit in the Admin’s absence.
I have tried to be nice, and you are being a lead-headed cretin. Don’t say you weren’t warned.
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18th November 2012 at 11:54 pm
Mikey says:
@Colma
Well for what it’s worth, I really, really enjoyed your post.
I had no problem follwing the logic you’ve used, or understanding your quite well written arguments.
have a beer on me
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18th November 2012 at 12:02 am
Colma Rising says:
Roysyl: You still have feeling in your head? (how long have you been on this site?)
Llpoh: You made my girlfriend laugh at me.
RE: Colma Manifesto coming soon.
Unfortunately, the only viable solutions are those I have trouble stomaching…. Certainly they would not be welcomed with applause.
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18th November 2012 at 12:05 am
Mikey says:
@Roysil
“llpoh – ” lead headed cretin is a term of endearment around here.” I am capable of telling the difference between raining and somebody pissing on my head, are you?”
you worked out what one is the saltiest yet?
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18th November 2012 at 12:09 am
Colma Rising says:
Thanks Mikey. We can always count on your comprehension skills.
“He is just trying to stir up some shit in the Admin’s absence”
-llpoh
You can’t prove that.
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18th November 2012 at 12:17 am
llpoh says:
Mikey and Colma – roflmao! Good stuff.
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18th November 2012 at 12:21 am
ASIG says:
RE
“7M DEAD PEOPLE”
Such an optimist.
I pointed out in the Trickle Up Poverty thread that the last time a Communist promised to move the country FORWARD it resulted in 24M DEAD.
Mao, in his attempt to solve the economic problems of that time, used the slogan “Giant Leap FORWARD” and within 4 YEARS there were 24M DEAD.
So now we just happen to have a Communist president to take us FORWARD into the next 4 YEARS — ?? DEAD?
But ignore that history nonsense “It Could Never Happen Here”.
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/news/maos-great-leap-forward-killed-45-million-in-four-years-2081630.html
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18th November 2012 at 12:39 am
Mikey says:
Alas my witty reparte is not up to the challange of meeting the high standard of the mud-encrusted, baby-eating, poop-throwing, Socially Responsible cave trolls that lurk unbidden around this otherwise finely maintanined forum.
I was going to write something more intelligent and useful to the ongoing discussion started by Colma, but I’m out in the Field at the moment, sitting in a bar in a tiny town. Right next to me, a horse is drinking his second jug of XXXX very, very noisily.
Dunno why they’re giving a horse XXXX though. VB’s better.
Here’s a photo of the front door of the pub where I’m at from last summer.
Fuck horse beer-burps stink.
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18th November 2012 at 12:44 am
SAH says:
Colma, I feel you, bro. Changes in word meanings piss me off. My latest one is all the references to obesity as an “epidemic” – which it is
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18th November 2012 at 12:54 am
SAH says:
Damn iPhone… As I was saying, obesity is not an epidemic, as epidemics are specifically diseases caused by an infective agent. Becoming the victim of an epidemic is generally not the person’s fault, and not within their control… But the “newspeak” never ends and now chronically shoveling food into your mouth is an “epidemic” according to the language changers.
I also hate the change in the meaning of “Liberal”. Our Founders were Liberals – a reference to a belief in individual liberty. Now, thanks to the language changers “Liberal” is applied to people who believe in being subject to a collective nanny state.
It kind of makes me want to give up on communicating with people in English anymore.
Props for posting something interesting.
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18th November 2012 at 1:00 am
Mikey says:
@SAH
Totally agree and sympathise.
Phrases that end up used, misused and mangled all for the sake of a “shocking” sound bite make me want to punch people in the throat.
The English language is capable of such subtle nuances in meanings. A well formed phrase can describe multiple delicate emotional states, as well as providing its factual content.
As you say SAH, “Liberal” being used as a swear word. Liberal – meaning free or generous, or if you prefer the socio-policital meaning of the word – freedom loving and restriction hating. Of course thinking about this for a moment means that those Liberal-haters are, by following their own definitions, are niggardly prisoners that worship their jack-booted oppressors, that would sell out their grandmothers if offered an extra case of beer or a voucher for a free pizza. Which then makes me smile.
Personally, I blame stupidity. Pity its so difficult to stop stupid people breeding.
All we need is a simple test. Like being able to correctly program the time on a video recorder allows breeding rights, all others are forcably sterilised. (those that don’t know what a video is, should shut up now. Yes I mean you Colma!)
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18th November 2012 at 1:16 am
AKAnon says:
I see Colma has discovered a thesaurus. Hell of a vocabulary there, big fella. But I can’t argue with the logic-looking forward to the next instalment-the Colma solution. Thanks for picking up some slack during Admin’s great sea adventure.
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18th November 2012 at 1:24 am
AKAnon says:
llpoh-thanks for the gifs. I am an ass man, personally-your comments “hit the spot”, so to speak.
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18th November 2012 at 1:25 am
Watzup says:
An incredibly aptly titled piece…….
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18th November 2012 at 1:30 am
ron says:
I was trying to stay awake and figure out what it was he was getting at.
Them women made this page worth while.
The next con artist well tell you he has the answers.Folks in this country have been taking it for so long they dont use lube anymore and actually enjoy it.
In the end knothing really matters anyhow.
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18th November 2012 at 1:56 am
Mikey says:
@ron
what? you lost me. Colma never said he had any answers, just that lots of people use words that don’t quite mean what they think they mean.
It makes sense to me and I’m sitting in a pub in the desert, drinking beer with a horse while pretending to write up a report for work.
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18th November 2012 at 2:11 am
crazyivan says:
“But I can’t argue with the logic-looking forward to the next instalment-the Colma solution.”- AKAnon
Fuck that! We have heard enough dribble from Colon Rinsing. Let’s roll up our sleeves and pound out a fucking solution to this before Admin gets back. Let’s make him so fucking proud that he cries in public.
As Colma outlined (as wordy as it was) there are 5 things we need to address.
I’ll start.
1. Libraries- I think we need to move our libraries to hardened structures in the event we get nuked.
2. Flea Market Copulation- While public fornication can be fun, I’ll have to agree with Colma that it is becoming more of a neccessity these days. My vote would be for more tolerance amongst the participating public.
3. Corporation- OK. The problem here (in addition to cr’s discourse above, which, by the way was totally true yet unreadable) is that these fuckers by mandate only consider the bottom line… in all decisions. There is no accountability for anything by anyone. I suggest that we find a way to kill a bad corporation (with out actually killing it’s people), for now.
4.Socialism- See above.
5. Unintended Consequenses- Now here is where I can really rock. I am an expert study of this phenomenon. However as a solution I offer nothing. But I will gladly nod and smile to any ideas.
Step up. Let’s give Colma some support here, cuz he fuckin needs it.
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18th November 2012 at 4:20 am
Novista says:
Colma
Here’s the (print) novel:
http://www.amazon.com/Come-Fly-Me-Joseph-Elkhorne/dp/1478212411/ref=la_B008NQTWCU_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1353323559&sr=1-2
W.W. Jacob’s story of 1902, “The Monkey’s Paw” tells one everything he needs to know about unintended consequences. I laugh, thinking of those fools who said, “We make our own reality.”
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18th November 2012 at 6:15 am
Novista says:
Roysyl
No wonder you went to management management management …
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18th November 2012 at 6:30 am
Eddie says:
So..the meaning of a lot of words…words that we use to describe ourselves and others in terms of politics..the meanings have changed over time , sometimes dramatically.
Words seem to mean the opposite of what they once did…or they mean something but most people misunderstand what that something is…(your Darwin example is a great one…I don’t even think YOU know what Darwin really meant, much less the average guy on the street.)
Give some thought to how and why the meanings change, and the whole process of how that happens. It usually isn’t by accident. These days the meanings of words are deliberately manipuated, successfully,by the hypnosis box people, who can get the masses of people to believe anything they want. Frequently what they want is to confuse and mislead. What better way than to muddy the waters by deliberately manipulating the language?
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18th November 2012 at 9:39 am
intj says:
“Coming to terms” literally means finding the TERM, the terminology, the words, to convey an idea – and while people with limited vocabulary are at a disadvantage intellectually they are prime candidates for emotional exploitation.
These TERMS are constricted facsimiles attempting to describe actions, goals, mindsets, beliefs etc., but discovering what folks are actually DOING requires curiosity, patience, rationality, and perhaps most importantly an uncompromised media doing their job.
If these TERMS are getting folks spun-up it’s because they are choosing to react to a definition that TPTB decided would get them spun-up because they understood more comprehensive and coherent definitions would not occur to someone who lives to be spun-up.
Controlling terminology is key to controlling the serfs – War is Peace – perhaps we are unfortunate enough to live through a window of time when the transparency and manipulation is both hideously present for all will look and completely invisible to those who are unwilling or unable to see.
We are a nation led by emotional knee-jerk responses to various TERMS – not the rational, thoughtful process I imagine the founding fathers were hoping for.
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18th November 2012 at 10:25 am
Colma Rising says:
Novista: Thanks.
Ivan: Push it!
Eddie: I am truly amazed at what someone SAYS these days as opposed to what they think they mean…. if that was an intended outcome, maybe be advertisers, then my oh my what a success.
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18th November 2012 at 10:27 am
Colma Rising says:
Intj: Absolutely dead on!
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18th November 2012 at 10:31 am
Stucky says:
I used to be gay. Told the whole world I was gay.
Back when that word meant “happy and carefree”.
Now, everybody I know thinks I’m a fuckin’ homo, not that there’s anything wrong with that. Bastards.
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18th November 2012 at 10:32 am
Colma Rising says:
Akanon: I didn’t use the saurus at all. The saurus takes too long.
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18th November 2012 at 10:51 am
Colma Rising says:
Anybody else who wishes to be paddled like an unruly miscreant in Singapore?
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18th November 2012 at 3:40 pm
llpoh says:
Colma taunting some of the lesser dogs:
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18th November 2012 at 5:15 pm
Reverse Engineer says:
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“7M DEAD PEOPLE”
Such an optimist.”
I only dropped on the 7M number because it is FAMOUS here on TBP and every time I post up Jimbo regurgitates it.
In REALITY, I go for MUCH Bigger Numbers, like 2-3 orders of magnitude here. I see DEAD PEOPLE.
RE
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18th November 2012 at 5:43 am
Novista says:
More and more, I’m thinking too many people do not read posts, just jump in to comment based on their preconceived notions. For them, the learning curve is a flatline.
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18th November 2012 at 5:32 pm
Colma Rising says:
Novista says:
“More and more, I’m thinking too many people do not read posts, just jump in to comment based on their preconceived notions. For them, the learning curve is a flatline.”
You have that right… kind of sad, in a way…. Hence the 2nd to last picture and caption in anticipation.
I dropped in to get the link you left and JUST HAD to read the post again (I admit, I am entirely proud of the pics and captions and they make me giggle). Otherwise, I think there would have been more argument rather than clinging to false hope and distorted intentions.
I ripped folks a new one and they didn’t even notice. Mission accomplished.
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18th November 2012 at 7:11 pm