HOW OBAMA WILL OUTLAW GUNS

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Posted on 28th November 2012 by Administrator in Economy |Politics |Social Issues

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Here’s How it Will be Done…

November 24, 2012

By Eric Peters

Incrementalism has proved depressingly effective as a tool for getting most people to quietly surrender their rights piecemeal. For gradually habituating them to an ever-diminishing circle of liberty. When the circle finally closes and their rights no longer exist at all, they hardly notice – because by that time, most of their rights have already been taken.

The final surrender is met with a shrug rather than a scream of outrage.

Think how Americans have been habituated to arbitrary search and seizure. Something like the TSA would simply not have been tolerated if it came out of the blue sky circa 1980. And no, the terrr attacks of nineleven did not “change everything.” Getting people to accept “sobriety checkpoints” beginning around 1980 changed everything. Accept that – and something like Gate Rape is inevitable.

The same process works just as well when it comes to dismantling due process – and removing limits on what the government may not do to us. We didn’t get to legal strip searches for jaywalking or littering in one fell swoop. Nor rendition, torture as policy – and presidential kill lists. It is a matter of getting them – getting us – to  tolerate “A” so that “B” will be accepted in turn.

This is how the citizens of the United States will be disarmed.

No sudden, mass ban or attempt at confiscation – because that would probably lead to open violence on a large scale and they – people like Dear Leader Obama and his Vyshinsky, AG Eric Holder, know this.

So, instead, they will first pass “reasonable” restrictions.

They will target not guns – just dangerous guns. So easy to demagogue anything with, say, a high-capacity magazine. Or which looks “military.” Think how the ground has already been ceded by mainstream “gun rights” groups like the NRA – which invariably talk about “sportsmen” and “hunting.” Who needs an AR-15 (or Sig 220) to hunt?

Open carry will be next. How many millions of Clovers would support a ban?

Next, they’ll lobby for a new law (or just issue a fatwa) that makes it much harder to get a CC permit. Such as at a judge’s discretion. And only if you have a “legitimate” purpose. Self-defense will not be considered a legitimate purpose.

But the big one – tied to Obamacare – will be the transformation of gun ownership into a public health issue.

The assault on smoking (and lately, soft drinks) should have alerted people – but as with “sobriety checkpoints,” most people readily supported the imposition of massive taxes on smokers because, after all, it is unhealthy to smoke. And of course, they didn’t smoke. So their rights were not on the table (foolish them). They – most people – never see that an attack on anyone’s rights is an attack on their rights.They are easily gulled by their moralistic fetishes – their disapproval of some concrete thing other people do which they don’t like. Not seeing that if the government can ban (or control or regulate) this than it certainly can ban, control or regulate that. The particulars don’t matter. The principle is everything.

Thus, smoking has been anathematized – and rendered exorbitantly expensive to partake of. Not an outright ban – not yet. But ever closer, every year.

And guns? It will be argued it is unhealthy to have a gun in the house. There will be talk of all the suicides and domestic violence (red herrings, these – but exceptionally effective tools of emotional manipulation).

Inevitably, the children will come into play.

It will be argued that anyone who possesses a gun must also possess insurance. Just as car owners are required to buy insurance; just as we are soon to be forced to buy health insurance. The same arguments will be used – because they’ve already been accepted. Thus, just as it is not illegal to have a car – so long as you buy insurance for it – it will not be illegal (yet) to own a gun. So long as you are “properly insured.”

That will be the first step.

The second step ought to be obvious. Legal gun ownership will rendered increasingly unaffordable.

As with collectivized car and health insurance, the insurance you will be forced to buy in order to keep a gun will be based on the costs imposed by the collective. It will not matter that you handle your gun safely. Because others have not, you will be made to pay.

People can afford to buy a $500 rifle or pistol. How many will be able to afford paying $500 a year to lawfully keep that rifle or pistol? How many will be able to afford keeping more than one rifle or pistol?

Can you see where this is headed? Is it not brilliant in its subtlety?

Insurance costs have already proved their effectiveness at limiting the number of vehicles the average person can afford to keep. I’ve written before about the effect mandatory insurance has had on hobbyists. It used to be easy (and legal) to keep a “parts car” or “project car” because other than the costs of buying it and fixing it up, there were no other costs. So long as you didn’t put it on the road, you didn’t have to insure it. In numerous areas around the country, you must now keep valid tags – and insurance – on every single vehicle, even those kept in a garage or in your back yard. If not, the vehicle is subject to confiscation.

Exactly the same tactics will be deployed against firearms. And it will be impossible to fight – because the fight over the principle was lost long ago. How will anyone argue against mandatory gun insurance when they have already accepted mandatory car insurance and now mandatory health insurance?

In a very short time, the government will have effectively disarmed most people without ever having had to push for an outright ban. The small handful of people who still possess arms will only be able to possess a few types and be very limited in what they can (legally) do with them.

Dealing with them will easy. Because there will be so few.

And because they will have already conceded the point anyhow.

Throw it in the Woods?

22 Comments
  1. JIMSKI says:

    Respectfully disagree.

    I think that the next step in the war on them against us will be ammunition. Already we have cities trying to tax ammo out of the area ( like cheaperthandirt does not exist ). The government also took a lot of cheaper 9mm and 556 out of circulation when it started to shred one fired brass and sell as scrap rather then sell it as ammo brass for processing. I can see a reasonable tax to fund GSW turning into a buck a bullet tax. Then they will tax the powder ( which now has tracer material in it per law ) for the hand loaders. They will not ban guns- just turn them into clubs.

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    28th November 2012 at 3:59 pm

  2. Hope@ZeroKelvin says:

    They might try, but nope, don’t think it will happen.

    People feel very differently about gun ownership than they do about having another car. Plus, the 100 million gun owners belong to the demographic MOST pissed off by the Obamanistas. If you mandate “insurance” for gun ownership, people will just say they sold their guns or gave them away and don’t have them anymore or they were stolen.

    Besides the overwhelming data is that responsible gun ownership by citizens creates safer communities. Read the book – More Guns, Less Crime.

    Gun advocates understand very well the argument of incrementalism, hence their active opposition to the attempts to ban “assault rifles” or “high capacity” magazines. They know this is just the first step on a very slippery slope.

    We are also getting wise to the assaults on our liberty and freedoms under the guise of “for the children” and “for your safety” and “for the common good”.

    The sheeple might accept it, but the sheeple are not the gun owners.

    There are at least 100 million of us and WE ARE ALREADY EXTREMELY PISSED OFF.

    Bring it on, I say, an extra target practice is always a good thing, heh.

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    28th November 2012 at 4:07 pm

  3. Travis says:

    Damn. That unfortunate canoeing accident…..

    They all sunk and I can’t get them back.

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    28th November 2012 at 4:24 pm

  4. John A says:

    Passing laws and enforcing them are two different things. If you want to lobby against gun control and for second amendment rights, you may donate to entities that oppose this sort of unconstitutional intrusion. If you are financially able and willing, there are many to choose from. This organization is a good one IMO:

    http://www.nationalgunrights.org/

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    28th November 2012 at 4:35 pm

  5. AKAnon says:

    “It used to be easy (and legal) to keep a “parts car” or “project car” because other than the costs of buying it and fixing it up, there were no other costs. So long as you didn’t put it on the road, you didn’t have to insure it. In numerous areas around the country, you must now keep valid tags – and insurance – on every single vehicle, even those kept in a garage or in your back yard. If not, the vehicle is subject to confiscation.”

    Is this really true? I could see it in that glorious bastion of Freedom, Chicago, or maybe D.C., but is this the law anywhere else? And if you allowed it in your state, what on earth were you thinking. A car is private property, and the gov’ts (legitimate) authority to regulate or require registration and insurance begins when you operate it on a public road. And ends when you don’t. Good lord. Not even going into the gun thing, although I’m inclined to agree w/ Jimski on the method. And Hope on the outcome.

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    28th November 2012 at 4:36 pm

  6. Eddie says:

    We were disarmed already.

    The Constitution gives us the right to bear arms…military arms. In the day of the founding fathers, that meant cannons.

    Now that would mean SAM’s and RPG’s. Mortars. Drones.

    We have reworked rifles that don’t even allow select fire. Some bad-ass arsenal. Whoopie shit.

    They won’t be taking those. It would be a dozen Waco/Ruby Ridge situations, spread out over the entire country. It would not be popular, and law enforcement personnel would be harmed, in spite of their overwhelming fire superiority.

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    28th November 2012 at 4:51 pm

  7. JIMSKI says:

    @ AkAnon

    In the great state of Ohio you have a 14 day window in which to register your out of date tags. If you are late you pay. OBOY do you PAY.

    I have a bike that I park in the winter. As my birthday is in October I just wait until it is spring to get my tags. Why would I get tags for a bike with a 4 month layup for insurance anyways. Well for 60 bucks that’s why.

    I did not yell and scream at the poor DMV folks as they are just drones but i wanted to drive my 1300cc v twin into the waiting room and do donuts.

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    28th November 2012 at 5:04 pm

  8. llpoh says:

    Jimski – you said “Respectfully disagree”.

    Dammit – you have been around here long enough to know we do not “respectfully disagree”. We call them lying sacks of shit, or morons, or fucking idiots. We do not now, nor will we ever, “respectfully disagree”.

    Next time, you need to start out with “Listen up, you dickhead cretin” or somesuch.

    Otherwise, fine comments, as usual.

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    28th November 2012 at 5:30 pm

  9. sangell says:

    One interesting benefit to our government’s fiscal mess is that they have reached the limit of what they can do. While I’m sure the left would like nothing better than to criminalize the ownership of a high capacity magazine or put a $1000 per firearm tax on hunting rifles the fact is they can’t increase the budget of the BATF, Treasury, FBI or even the IRS without making it more difficult to fund their own
    pet programs and livelihoods. Gonna cut Head Start to hire 1000 more BATF agents?

    As a practical matter most gun law enforcement is up to local police forces and they don’t have the resources to enforce some federal restrictions on firearms. They have a hard enough time trying to keep guns out of the hands of the ex-cons already and, for them, that is a life or death matter. As a note aside Manatee County Florida puts all the probable cause arrest affidavits on line. Interesting reading. Virtually every black youth is now packing heat. Their handgun is the most valuable thing they own but own one they will. Manatee County has some rough underclass neighborhoods I admit but it isn’t Camden or Detroit yet so pervasive is the gang culture in black America now that having a hand gun is more important than say, having a drivers license, which is why I know about the handguns. These 18-25 year old black kids will buy a gun before they pay their traffic fines and keep their drivers licenses which is why they get pulled over and the cops find their guns. Its not as if they don’t know that is a possibility it is just that the risk of not having a gun in your possession outweighs the risk of being found in possession of an illegal or stolen gun.

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    28th November 2012 at 5:39 pm

  10. Hollow man says:

    They will use many different tatics to get the guns. Demonize when the mass shoothings occur. Raise taxes on ammo and guns. BO has the EO. How do you reverse an excutive order? Mass shooting those pesky repubs dont care about you so I decree a restriction. Another mass shooting or terrorist another decree. The attack will be massive, intense and quick when it occurs. Then to have a gun means your a criminal unless you can afford the high price of taxes and regulation. By the way same for hydralic fracking, and untold other freedoms. Obama and his bunch view goverment as the ultimate giver of life, therefore you are just lucky to live and you do so at his discrretion. It is coming. He is a commie, nothing else. Most are to dum to see it.

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    28th November 2012 at 6:14 pm

  11. intj says:

    I read somewhere that equality has only really existed during times when the rulers and the people were *equally* armed – so I guess I need a tank, an F-16 and my own “iron shield”.

    Bu then I heard that Michigan hunters would constitute the fourth largest standing army – so there you go – numbers, yes, technology, no.

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    28th November 2012 at 6:23 pm

  12. TeresaE says:

    It is coming. The UN Small Arms Treaty will be the first step. My guess is that the fiscal cliff and Christmas will serve to cover up the news blips that will state the ratification. O’bama used the same type tactics to help sponsor and push through the passing of the UN Children resolution that GUARANTEES 7.5% of our GDP to the UN council that deals with children back during his half-second as a senator. Signed, sealed, delivered, we just haven’t been told how and when it will be paid for.

    Then Holder will enact his wet dream of registration, regulation and taxing ammunition and ALL guns. They won’t “ban” anything, they will just start the process of using our own morality (not to break the law) against us by getting every weapon registered and many of us disqualified from ownership.

    Meanwhile, the black market will EXPLODE and the brothers in the cities will be fine. Ammo will be sold and traded along with the drugs & guns. The War on Drugs and gun laws to this point have done a great job of solidifying trafficking routes and enriching those that have the ability to add another product to their lineup of petty crime, pot, some harder drugs and prostitution.

    And you bet your asses they are going to use the children and doctors to push the propaganda convincing us to go along, or shut up. Pediatricians have been mandated BY LAW to ask parents if there are guns in the home. Seems like such a small thing. Smokers? Drinkers? Drug users? Gun Owners? Home built before the early 70s and a fear of lead paint? In every single doctor’s appointment my daughter has gone to these questions have been asked.

    The author, sadly, is right. We gave up our rights to property, and living without being accosted by the government, for good in the early 80s. Ronnie smiled big and told us how we had to do it to save the kids from the evil drunk drivers and drug pushers. Don’t worry your pretty little heads unless you are a criminal.

    Wake the fuck up people. This IS fucking happening and is only going to accelerate as the collapse rolls on.

    Can’t have a starving productive class armed. That would do TPTB no good at all.

    The constitution and our “rights” are GONE. We kid ourselves and hang on to the “anger” and “outrage” of our fellow sheep.

    Which is why I’m trying to stay ahead of it and supplement my guns with other weapons. Forewarned is forearmed and all that shit.

    Things like this are why I sometimes find myself wishing for the collapse. Then I beg forgiveness of the universe and re-adjust my self to the ever-increasing temperature of the frog pot.

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    28th November 2012 at 6:53 pm

  13. AWD says:

    Good luck. Taxing smoking is one thing. It costs everyone hundreds of billions in healthcare costs. Guns are a totally separate issue. I’m sure the government will do nothing about the 2 million gang members in this country, most of which are armed to the teeth. They will never take guns away from law abiding citizens.

    Some info (from gun control advocates). Still good info:
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    28th November 2012 at 6:53 pm

  14. AWD says:

    Moving to Texas is looking better all the time….

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    28th November 2012 at 6:57 pm

  15. Muck About says:

    I don’t mind handguns much. That’s why I have shotguns for PDW’s. Don’t have to aim them so tight and I have lots of slugs per bang while they only have one.

    At this point and time, there won’t be any gun confiscation because TPTB know things are going to go to shit and the public is indeed going to have to take care of itself in a crises..

    MA

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    28th November 2012 at 8:05 pm

  16. Ron says:

    Shutting down ammo sales makes more sense than trying to take guns.Or making it like europe where mostly rich folks own guns.Legally.

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    28th November 2012 at 1:28 am

  17. AKAnon says:

    It’ll never happen here. That’s what the Aussies thought, too.

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    28th November 2012 at 2:26 am

  18. TeresaE says:

    @AK, GREAT point.

    Australians loved their guns and freedoms as much as we (pretend) to.

    Now their violent crime rate is spiraling ever upward because criminals figured out the law-abiding are defenseless.

    I hope to hell I’m wrong. Man, I do so hope that I’m wrong and that can’t/won’t happen here.

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    28th November 2012 at 11:42 am

  19. BUCKHED says:

    As conversation in the future ” Daddy why are you pouring oil all over the ground here in the back yard ” ? “So our guns won’t rust honey ” .

    All one has to do is look at the shoot at Knobcreek on youtube and you’ll see there are a LOT of full auto weapons in the hands of average Americans .

    Full Auto weapons are NOT illegal to own. There are special restrictions to purchase one but it isn’t hard to get one at all.

    http://www.autoweapons.com/products/products.html

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    28th November 2012 at 1:03 pm

  20. michaelj007 says:

    The 2nd Amendment will be the last right of ours to go. I agree with the idea of incrementalism… it has already been in effect, whether coincidentally or purposefully is irrelevant, for some time. You’ve got background checks, wait periods, bans and restrictions on various AR types. And now the shock testing of the 2nd Amendment is already being performed on BoobusAmericani and the last few remaining independent thinkers here. We’ve got highly publicized cases of murder/self defense being juxtapozed and spun into 2nd Amendment issues, proposed taxes on ammo are popping up, additional ammunition tracking is trying to slither into policy… and all the while the GOV is pissing in our faces with the FAST AND FURIOUS case. Irony, ignorance and apathy are never in short supply these days…. but ammo at Walmart is!

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    28th November 2012 at 2:42 pm

  21. ron says:

    A local range instructor/gun nut told me that they are coming out with ammunition that well basically have an experation date.Then it wont work.
    I watched a video on you tube on cut shells.Between that and buckshot i really like my shotgun.
    As i post every so often.I dont see myself in any armed conflict with the government.Stupid hungry people who never bothered to fill theyre cuboard with food?yes.

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    28th November 2012 at 6:45 pm

  22. Hope@ZeroKelvin says:

    hahahaha. I just thought of the Ultimate Rejoinder to The LIberal MushBrained GunGrabbers:

    If guns, like “assault rifles” and “high capacity magazines” are soooo bad, then how do you explain the extremely low crime rate in Switzerland where every adult does military service and is issued for USE AT HOME a fully automatic battle rifle? Huh?? HUH???

    There are about 420,000 assault rifles (fully automatic) in private homes, mostly SIG SG 550. Additionally, there are some 320,000 semi-auto rifles and military pistols exempted from military service in private possession. There is approx 1.2 to 3 MILLION firearms in private homes.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Switzerland

    This out of a population of 7.655,628.

    With one of the LOWEST crime rates in the entire freaking world.

    Gee, I dunno, can’t quite figger it out……

    drool, drool, need a diaper, must be a libertard proglodyte…..

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    28th November 2012 at 8:22 pm

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