700,000 AMERICANS SIGN PETITIONS TO SECEDE

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SSS says:

Here in southern Arizona, it is the liberals who want to secede from the state and set up another state called Baja (lower) Arizona. They’re disgruntled that the Republican-controlled legislature and governor’s mansion aren’t throwing more money at education and free shit programs.

Never mind the billion-plus deficit that the state was in just four years ago which has now been transformed into a state budget surplus. Never mind that the city of Tucson created additional free shit programs while stealing money from such budget items as road repair, which now faces a billion-dollar price tag to fix the failed and failing streets in the city. Never mind that most of the schools in Tucson get a C or D rating, despite the fact that the school districts have LOST close to 20,000 students to charter and private schools, yet the school districts keep asking, and largely getting, budget overrides APPROVED BY TUCSON VOTERS while school officials refuse to fire teachers and close schools.

Now, Tucson is finally running out of other people’s money and faces deficits all over. And it will be the liberals, who have run this city for two generations, turn to make the tough decisions to close all these deficit gaps. I can hardly wait to see what these fools come up with.

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10th December 2012 at 12:37 pm
Wyoming Mike says:

Here’s an idea…I’ll trade all the Dick Cheyney neocons and our 25% Demoncrats out of here for all the folks who signed the petition. People’s Republic of Wyoming.

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10th December 2012 at 12:38 pm
Kill Bill says:

Let em secede them Obama will bomb the crap out of them with drones.

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10th December 2012 at 12:48 pm
Stucky says:

What does it mean?

Someone here suggested that it will take a minimum of a dedicated 3% to 5% of the population before one can even consider some kind of revolution. USA population is 312M.

So, 700,000 signatures means we’re between 8,660,000 (3%) and 14,900,000 (5%) signatures short of anything meaningful.

Or, it means 700,000 people might be enjoying Hotel FEMA in their future.

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10th December 2012 at 12:54 pm
Kill Bill says:

I wouldnt take it to mean that those 700k signatures all come from people that lean rethug admin. Many people are fed up with DC including depends and con dumcrats, progs and baggers.

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And Stavneak [AZ Budget Committee] pointed out that one reason the state has money left over is that lawmakers have refused to put money into various funding formulas for education for the last few years. He said those “suspensions” equate to $700 million in spending.

Who says going from C-D to D-F rated schools is a bad thing?

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10th December 2012 at 1:03 pm
JIMSKI says:

700,000 Americans want to leave? Pfft Right now there are more Americans watching reruns of the brady bunch on retro tv. 700,000 is nothing. 700,000 is prolly the same 40,000 idiots voting over and over.
Call me when they get to American Idol Numbers…….

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10th December 2012 at 2:10 pm
TeresaE says:

As if.

In this day and age, all I can say is “as if.”

The feds may have outfitted many local cops with weapons of war, but the feds’ weapons of war make a state’s toys look like child’s play.

The mood is getting “darker,” we haven’t seen anything yet, and yes, someday, these will be the “good ole’ days.”

But this is just a few thousand – a mere drop in the constituent bucket, feeling like they have “done something.”

Just like beating your friends’ scores on Angry Birds, you have accomplished NOT A THING, yet it fills the human “accomplishment” need. I’VE DONE SOMETHING ABOUT IT!

If these 700k citizens truly wanted to fix something, or stand up for something, they should volunteer and work their asses off to fire EVERY LAST ONE of their Washington “representatives.”

If the day ever comes where we see mass firing in the House and Senate, maybe then I’ll believe the mood is truly changing to fix things.

For now it is all just griping and trying to make ourselves feel better. Dust in the wind.

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10th December 2012 at 2:57 pm
Novista says:

The Arab Spring began with one man.

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10th December 2012 at 6:11 pm
tbone says:

If 700K voters voted to secede from the union in Brooklyn, they would not have even close to a majority (population 2.5M)…wake me up when they get to 10M

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10th December 2012 at 6:36 pm
SAH says:

If 700k people signed petitions to seceed, then probably 3 million actually feel that way about America. I know I won’t sign my name to any official secession petition sent to the FedGov, and Im inclined to believe a good many other disgruntled citizens wouldn’t either. That is still well short of the 3-5% revolutionaries, so we are fucked anyway. When the collapse happens in full force, the total population is going to drop big time, and assuming patriots survive at a higher rate than the general population (due to preps and self-sufficiency) and do not put into FEMA camps, patriots will become 3-5% at that point and the new american revolution will be on. Also, as TSHTF many of our friends and relatives who turn a blind eye and deaf ear to everything we say now will suddenly get it, and the thirst for true liberty will become unquenchable in America again – except for by the blood of tyrants. Either that, or patriots will be put in concentration camps and permanently silenced, and the USSA will become an openly fascist state and liberty will be forever crushed in Amerika.

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10th December 2012 at 7:54 pm
John A says:

The day the government starts openly shooting its citizens whenever it feels threatened (real or imagined), it might as well kiss its ass goodbye. SO, LET ME UNDERSTAND THIS: a government that can’t even provide hot coffee, doughnuts and blankets to its citizens in the aftermath of Hurricane Sandy is going to “FEMA JAIL” 15 million patriots and feed them (and their families) indefinitely? Then, the gov is going to use drones to shoot another 30 or 40 million taxpayers (give or take 7 million) to get the populace in line? And this is the unfolding grand scheme to “right” the listing national ship and get back on track? Oh really? And (of course) ALL of the US military, local police and sheriff departments are just fucking idiots/robots and will go along with mass murder/detention ordered by a federal gov commanded by a president with sealed records and brain-dead elected federal officials, most of who can’t even tie their own fucking shoelaces without help? Goddamn this is funny.

(Please excuse John A. He is now rolling on the floor of his condo convulsing in uncontrollable laughter.)

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10th December 2012 at 5:55 am
Novista says:

Nothing is forever, SAH.

As for most here who wouldn’t sign, including you, we are already marked simply by commenting. So why worry?

Anyway,

“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure.” T. Jefferson. Note the equation.

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10th December 2012 at 7:19 am
SAH says:

@John A – no, it wont be blatant. I think the more likely scenario is that the SNAP cards stop working, the food trucks stop deliveries, chaos ensues. The populous explodes nationwide into violence, riots, looting, shooting each other up, and meanwhile the government at all levels (from local police up to Fed) step back, throw their hands up incompetenly and say “we can’t even provide hot coffee and donuts after hurricane Sandy – we can’t do anything to stop this nationwide violence, we always told you guns were bad but you guys kept buying them, this is out of our control, we are out manned and out gunned – what can we do, except declare martial law and bring in the military?”. Once the citizens have had a significant bloodbath, and many of the criminal types are dead and patriots are dead or out of ammo – people will be begging for martial law. Government will take its sweet time in order to pet the citizens do most of the dirty work of slaughter and to look “reluctant” to take control. Most of the military will absolutely have no problem disregarding the constitution and will comply because the death toll of intra-citizen violence will be quite large, and people will be behaving like savage animals. Then the guns will be rounded up, the few resistant individuals will be FEMA camped, and the rest of the remaining sheeple will be SO GRATEFUL for the confiscation of guns and imposition of martial law that they will be eating out of the palm of the Fed Gov’s hand. Then the Feds will finally do a few air drops of MREs and set up tent cities and bury the dead, and say “don’t worry, we won’t ever let this happen again, you were too free, and look what happened? Now you know better, listen to us, total control is necessary so we can take care of you”.

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10th December 2012 at 12:14 am
flash says:

SAH,
You nailed it . Great collapse , military/police go into lock down , great culling ensues, FSA/population severely reduced, military /police under no resistance from the desperate move into to clean up the mess. US government seen as hero……..Voila’…Enter Brave New World.

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10th December 2012 at 5:27 am
John A says:

SAH,

If you really believe that America is lost, then action speaks louder than words. Are you and your family preparing to re-locate to another country? Or, do you intend to live under consumate authoritarian rule here? Just asking. As a general rule in life that I follow, I do not listen to what people say, I listen and then watch what they do. Do you plan to leave? (I hope not.)

As for me, I’m not going anywhere. America is my home and I feel that we have a chance to revive/restore our republic again, and (most importantly) liberty. Regarding the secession petition, the Obama adminstration won’t even respond.

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10th December 2012 at 5:59 am
flash says:

John A, the Republic was lost April 13,1861.We the morons have been in denial ever since.

http://thenewamerican.com/culture/history/item/13671-abraham-lincoln-stepfather-of-our-country

President of the United States of America — clothed in immense power!” Spielberg’s Lincoln thunders. The real Lincoln proved the truth of that claim within days of the April 12, 1861 attack on Fort Sumter. In fact, the attack might have been avoided if he had not decided to reinforce Sumter. Once it occurred, he quickly unleashed a series of watershed actions that forever altered the nature of American government.

On April 13, he declared the seceding states in a condition of rebellion and called for 75,000 troops to deal with them — a declaration expressly reserved to Congress by the Constitution: “The Congress shall have the power … To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions.”

On April 15, he called for Congress to return to session — but only on July 15, months after Ft. Sumter .

On April 19, he declared a naval blockade of the South.

On April 21, he instructed the U.S. Navy to buy five warships — an appropriations act needing congressional approval.

On April 27, he began the unprecedented act of suspending the constitutional right of habeas corpus.

On May 3, he called up thousands more troops — for three-year hitches — another act the law did not authorize the president to commit.

At about the same time, he ordered the Department of Treasury to pay two million dollars to a New York City company to outfit and arm his army — another appropriations act needing congressional approval.

Each one of these acts — and many more soon to follow — violated the U.S. Constitution. The majority of the U.S. public supported him, however, as the American people have supported other presidents since, when they felt the need to break the Constitution “for the public good.”

This early series of moves proved breathtaking in its shrewd efficiency. For instance, by not calling Congress back into session until July, Lincoln presented it with a fait accompli upon its return: a war months old from which there was now no turning back, unless Lincoln decided such, which he had no intention of doing. Whether or not Congress would have declared war on the South as had Lincoln, it now saw no choice but to fight.

Even Massachusetts’ Senator Charles Sumner, one of the spearheads of the Radical postwar Reconstruction and certainly no friend of the South, said: “When Lincoln reinforced Sumter and called for 75,000 men without the consent of Congress, it was the greatest breach ever made in the Constitution, and would hereafter give the President the liberty to declare war whenever he wished, without the consent of Congress.”

All this came from the hand of Lincoln, a man who as a U.S. congressman in 1848 declared: “Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable, a most sacred right — a right which we hope and believe is to liberate the world. Nor is this right confined to cases in which the whole people of an existing government may choose to exercise it. Any portion of such people, that can, may revolutionize and make their own so much of the territory as they inhabit.’’

In his landmark book The Real Lincoln, Loyola College economics professor and Lincoln scholar Thomas DiLorenzo recounted how Lincoln also unlawfully “nationalized the railroads; created three new states without the consent of the citizens of those states in order to artificially inflate the Republican Party’s electoral vote; ordered Federal troops to interfere with Northern elections to assure Republican Party victories; deported Ohio Congressman Clement L. Vallandigham for opposing his domestic policies (especially protectionist tariffs and income taxation) on the floor of the House of Representatives; confiscated private property, including firearms, in violation of the Second Amendment; and effectively gutted the Tenth and Ninth Amendments as well.”

Maryland, My Maryland

Soon, the Lincoln administration crossed yet another historic line. Without notifying targeted members of the Maryland legislature of charges, or indeed possessing any charges, its troops hauled dozens of legislators it suspected of supporting secession out of their homes in front of their families in the darkness of night and threw them into prison.

The prison was temporarily located at Fort McHenry, from where Francis Scott Key wrote “The Star Spangled Banner.” In fact, Key’s own grandson would be among the host flung into captivity at the fort. He would write eloquently in American Bastille of how much the nation had changed in less than a half century, as he looked upon the U.S. flag flying at the same location as it was when his grandfather wrote his famous stanzas.

Thousands of Federal soldiers from other states voted in Maryland’s November 1861 elections, while local residents had to pass through formations of bayonet-brandishing Federals to cast their ballots. The Maryland legislature, prior to its collective jailing by Lincoln, declared: “Resolved, that Maryland implores the President, in the name of God, to cease this unholy war, at least until Congress assembles; that Maryland desires and consents to the recognition of the independence of the Confederate States. The military occupation of Maryland is unconstitutional, and she protests against it, though the violent interference with the transit of federal troops is discountenanced, that the vindication of her rights be left to time and reason, and that a Convention, under existing circumstances, is inexpedient.”

Opposing Supreme Court

Only weeks after the war commenced in 1861, Lincoln suspended the writ of habeas corpus, one of the foundational pillars of American — and Western — liberty, and preeminent among all provisions of the Bill of Rights. The right of habeas corpus (Latin for “you may have the body”) is sourced in England’s ancient Magna Carta. It requires a warrant be issued by a legitimate law-enforcement authority before a person can be arrested, prevents the jailing of a person without his being charged with a specific crime, and prohibits indefinite detention of that person without the opportunity of appearing before a legally convened court for the exercise of his rights and the hearing of his case.

Despite the central place of habeas corpus in American liberty and an armada of opinion ranging from British jurist William Blackstone to American Chief Justice John Marshall to President Thomas Jefferson that only Congress — and never the president — could suspend habeas corpus, Lincoln’s administration did just that in thousands of cases against the citizens of Federal states. (The power to suspend habeas corpus “when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it” is in Article I, the section of the Constitution enumerating congressional power.)

Federal troops arrested Marylander John Merryman without a warrant, jailed him — at Fort McHenry — and kept him there without opportunity for trial or defense. He appealed to the esteemed Supreme Court Chief Justice Roger B. Taney, who had already freed his own slaves.

It is difficult to conceive of the political climate in which Taney received this plea. Every day, Federal officers hauled citizens of every stripe — politicians, newspaper publishers, attorneys, business owners, common workers — from their homes and places of business for voicing the slightest criticism of the U.S. government or Lincoln, flung them into jail, and left them there. Taney had no illusions but that that fate likely awaited him if he crossed the president. Yet he ordered the release of the jailed man. Lincoln commanded his soldiers to refuse. The chief justice then penned Ex Parte Merryman, an opinion now famous in constitutional law. Delivered directly to Lincoln at his office, it informed the president that he, not Merryman, was breaching the law and the Constitution, and it ordered Merryman’s release.

At this point, Lincoln did issue a warrant of arrest — for Taney. Lincoln apologists deny this action, but contemporary witnesses corroborate it. Though longtime Lincoln colleague and Federal Marshal of Washington Ward Hill Lamon declined to serve the warrant, Lincoln had established that neither Congress, the Supreme Court, nor the Constitution would stand in the way of his carrying out the actions he deemed best for the country.

Chief Justice Roger Brooke Taney, 85 years old when President Lincoln issued the warrant for his arrest and dead before the end of the war, wrote in Ex Parte Merryman: “If the President of the United States may suspend the writ [of habeas corpus], then the Constitution of the United States has conferred upon him more regal and absolute power over the liberty of the citizen than the people of England have thought it safe to entrust to the crown — a power which the Queen of England cannot exercise to this day, and which could not have been lawfully exercised by the sovereign even in the reign of Charles the First.”

That king got beheaded for his dictatorial actions.

The Lincoln administration continued to express great concern over Northerners who did not exhibit what it considered sufficient loyalty, or sufficiently enthusiastic loyalty, to the United States and its war effort. After suspending habeas corpus, the president and his lieutenants shut down over 300 Northern newspapers during the struggle, throwing many of their editors and publishers in jail or prison without trials and often without charges. Approximately 13,000 other Northern citizens met the same fate.

Lincoln’s justification: “Measures, however unconstitutional, might become lawful by becoming indispensable to the preservation of the Constitution, through the preservation of the nation.”

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10th December 2012 at 7:20 am
John A says:

Flash,

Thanks for the above comment. I respect and support Southern Heritage just as you do. I can only say that I can’t jump “Ship USA” just yet. I owe that to myself and to all Americans. Perhaps I’m an old fool who’s wasting his time. Maybe. But giving up damn sure isn’t the answer.

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10th December 2012 at 8:47 am
flash says:

John A, the issue with Lincoln and the “Civil War” is not one of Southern Heritage , but rule of law.
Lincoln was a thug and took this nation on a course of lawless from which has since recovered , hence the toleration of extreme liberties as seen exercised by the Federal Thugacracy today….and this I why I say the Republican ship went to the bottom in 1861….you cannot save that which no longer exists.

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10th December 2012 at 9:35 am
SAH says:

@John A – first off, I didnt say America was lost for sure. i was just responding to your ‘laughable’ scenario. There is more than one way things can go down, and the sneaky circular logic of the Feds would employ something more along the lines of what I described in my ‘nighmare’ scenario. I’ve mentioned it before, its a concept of rule employed by ancient Chinese sage kings called “the science of letting all hell break loose” – or as the Dems call it “never let a crisis go to waste”.

Of course I’m not fucking leaving. I’m not a retired Boomer, I don’t live high and suck up all the benefits of this country, turn it into a big messy shitpile and then relocate to the 3rd world to make another shitpile before I die. It’s my destiny and place in history and the generational turnings to confront and deal with the road ahead right here in America. I had a 7th great grandfather who fought in the Revolution, and 4 3rd great grandfathers who fought in the war of Northern Agression. My dear great grandparents survived being dragged in wagon trains from their Midwestern homes as children to the great American Wild Wild West — they suffered attacks by wild Indians, the Spanish Influenza, worked hard to make civilization in the wilderness, raised 7 kids through the Great Depression, and sent sons into WWII. By the time the world was ‘right’ again, they were old and tired. These are my Nomad Generation ancestors, and they had sufferings and struggles as great or greater than I will ever have. None of them backed down from hardship, all fought and sacrificed to keep their families together and survive. As I have researched my family history, it’s funny how the Nomads are the most interesting and (as ‘characters’ in my family story) the most beloved. I’m not going to cut and run. Hell no. I’m going to have a hard road to travel no doubt, thanks to the times I was born into, but on the other side of it all I hope to be remembered as fondly by my progeny.

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10th December 2012 at 10:37 am
John A says:

SAH,

Some think the government knows exactly what it’s doing. A meticulous grand plan. That’s what I find so comical about of this madness. When US dollar reserve currency status is lost, the printing press and “money keyboard” will be next to worthless, and so will be the Federal Reserve. No more free lunch. Pop goes the GOV weasel. We will see what happens then.

So, you are a daughter of the Confederacy? Cool.

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10th December 2012 at 1:46 pm

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