This is exactly why the District of Criminals and their Federal Ass Pirate agencies will never willingly allow the citizens of this country to nullify their War On Some Drugs. Will Grigg probably has a thicker file than Admin and Stucky by now.
Just remember, always shoot the messenger when you don’t like the news.
“Damned from Memory”: When the Drug War Turns on its Own
John McLaughlin, known to his friends as “Sparky,” was a True Believer in the War on Drugs. He was convinced that his work as an agent of the Pennsylvania Bureau of Narcotics Enforcement (BNI) was protecting innocent people from opportunists and thugs who prey on the weak.
He eventually came to the sorrowful realization that the most ruthless elements involved in the drug trade aren’t found in Latin America or blighted urban neighborhoods, but in well-appointed offices in Washington, D.C. and Langley, Virginia. McLaughlin also came to understand, from first-hand experience, that the Drug War has created an all-encompassing police state that targets not only the innocent public, but also law enforcement officers who become irritants to government-protected criminal cliques.
McLaughlin and three of his colleagues, working with the Drug Enforcement Administration, identified an east coast drug syndicate that was selling heroin and using the proceeds to fund a U.S.-supported political campaign in the Dominican Republic.
The syndicate was operated by leaders and activists in the Dominican Revolutionary Party (DRP) on behalf of its standard-bearer, Jose Francisco Pena-Gomez, who – according to a January 17, 1996 CIA memo obtained by McLaughlin – was the Clinton administration’s choice to occupy the National Palace in Santo Domingo. (Pena-Gomez, as it happens, lost the election.)
After McLaughlin’s squad learned that several suspects were to deliver $550,000 in drug proceeds at a March 28, 1996 DRP fundraiser in Manhattan, they contacted the DEA and arranged a sting operation intended to bring about several high-profile arrests, including that of Pena-Gomez himself.
At the last minute, the operation inexplicably fell apart. Pena-Gomez, who received a conveniently timed anonymous death threat, was taken into custody by the NYPD and spirited back to the Dominican Republic. At least some of the drug proceeds were given to then-Vice President Al Gore at a DNC fundraiser in Coogan’s Irish Pub in New York City’s Washington Heights.
McLaughlin points out that just prior to the sting operation, he had refused a demand from a CIA agent named Victoria Baylor that he provide the names of confidential informants within the Dominican drug network.
“Someone from Washington stepped in and crushed our attempt to seize over $550,000 in proceeds from narcotics sales laundered as fundraising for a third-world political campaign,” writes McLaughlin in his newly published memoir Damned from Memory. “Further, several dozen law enforcement officers stood by on orders from the DEA Sensitive Activities Committee or some other nameless D.C. entity as these funds illegally left our country. No one was touching Pena-Gomez or his entourage.”
Not content to intervene on behalf of Pena-Gomez, the people who scuttled the sting retaliated against McLaughlin and his squad. One of the informants who had helped expose the DRP drug connection was targeted in a car bomb attack and his house was firebombed. The agents were given a series of punitive demotions and transfers and threatened with spurious civil rights lawsuits.
McLaughlin was transferred a considerable distance from his home in Philadelphia and given contradictory orders that were “aimed at creating situations where the Attorney General [would] get the justification to fire us.” A “black bag” break-in took place at McLaughlin’s home. A few weeks later, an intruder broke into the home office of McLaughlin’s psychiatrist and rifled through the doctor’s patient files.
Shortly after the second black-bag job, McLaughlin went to a local club where he was greeted by a long-time friend on the police force who called him over to a table already occupied by several other cops. Brimming with bogus bonhomie, the officer invited McLaughlin to reminisce about times past – and perhaps to regale the table with potentially compromising stories about his time on the police force.
“Hey, Spark,” the officer began, “remember when…?”
“It didn’t matter what followed those four little words,” McLaughlin recalls. “I knew he was wired, or one of those police officers around him was.”
McLaughlin knew he was being kept under surveillance by people who were determined not only to ruin his career, but put him in prison. Someone who had been through a very similar experience had warned McLaughlin to expect nothing less.
In 1997, McLaughlin contacted investigative reporter Gary Webb of the San Jose Mercury News, who the previous August had published an expose documenting the “dark alliance” between street-level drug dealers and the CIA. Webb’s stories described how a San Francisco-based drug ring “sold tons of cocaine to the Crips and Bloods street gangs of Los Angeles and funneled millions in drug profits to an arm of the Contra guerillas of Nicaragua run by the Central Intelligence Agency.”
The key figure in that alliance was “Freeway Rick” Ross, who obtained cut-rate cocaine from CIA-backed wholesalers; he then converted the powder into crack, which was sold through local franchises across the country. A large share of the proceeds obtained from those sales was given to the Nicaraguan Democratic Front, the largest of several CIA-organized rebel groups fighting the Soviet-backed Sandinista government.
“This drug network opened the first pipeline between Colombia’s cocaine cartels and the black neighborhoods of Los Angeles, a city now known as the `crack’ capital of the world,” wrote Webb. “The cocaine that flooded in helped spark a crack explosion in urban America – and provided the cash and connections needed for L.A.’s gangs to buy weapons.”
By the time McLaughlin contacted Webb, the reporter had already been disavowed by his editor – not because the stories were poorly sourced or badly written, but because of a concerted pressure campaign orchestrated by the CIA and its allies in the media.
“We are having one heck of a time with Dominican drug traffickers and the same people you were investigating back in August,” McLaughlin told Webb.
“You mean the CIA,” Webb immediately replied.
McLaughlin asked Webb if in the course of investigating the CIA’s role in fomenting the crack epidemic he had seen evidence that the Agency had sought to destroy “the reputation and credibility” of the officers who had uncovered the connection.
“Most certainly,” Webb responded. After McLaughlin briefly described what had happened in the Pena-Gomez case, the reporter warned him: “You’re in for a long road full of sh*t; I’m already up to my neck in it.”
Despite the fact that subsequent investigations by the CIA’s Inspector General and a Senate committee vindicated Webb’s reporting, the writer was ruined, both professionally and personally. In December 2004, Webb – who was divorced, penniless, unemployed and unemployable, and facing eviction – became a member of that exclusive club of suicide victims who somehow managed to shoot themselves in the head, twice.
A similar fate nearly befell former Immigration and Naturalization Service agent Joe Occhipinti. In the course of a murder investigation in 1988, Occhipinti uncovered a money laundering operation in which several bodegas operated by members of the Dominican Federation were laundering drug proceeds on behalf of Seacrest Trading Company, a Connecticut-based finance company that specializes in high-interest loans to shady enterprises.
According to Occhipinti and several other investigators, Sea Crest was actually CIA front. This helps explain why Occhipinti’s investigation ended with the investigator himself being prosecuted on civil rights charges – none of which involved corruption, brutality, or dishonesty — and sentenced to 36 months behind bars with many of the same Dominican crime figures he had investigated.
McLaughlin managed to avoid prison. In 2002 he and fellow BNI agent Charles Micewski filed a civil rights lawsuit against Pennsylvania Attorney General Mike Fisher and several other state officials. The following February a federal jury ruled in their favor, granting them a total of $1.5 million in punitive damages and – much more importantly – vindicating their account of what had happened to them after they had investigated one of the many domestic drug networks either created or protected by the CIA.
I first covered McLaughlin’s story in 1997 while I was a senior editor at The New American magazine. Shortly after Damned from Memory was published I asked him if his view of War on Drugs had changed as a result of his experiences. “I think the best thing right now is to stress education,” he replied. He’s seen “The Needle and the Damage Done” – and also witnessed the violence and institutional corruption that is the inevitable result of treating vices as if they were crimes.
“I have seen an informant’s son with nothing but goo left on his arm from shooting up so much,” McLaughlin recalls. As a result of heroin addiction, the young man “was the walking dead. We saved him as a little project between ourselves.”
It’s worth noting that this commendable rehabilitation “project” wouldn’t have happened if the addict had been treated like a criminal. It’s just as important to remember that the people who profit from human misery of this kind are empowered by prohibition – and that the most despicable examples of that criminal caste are “public servants,” not private entrepreneurs.
The “war on drugs” is a narcotics price support program and a public works project for the coercive sector (especially the prison-industrial complex). It also provides an apparently bottomless well of revenue to fund the projects in subversion and state terrorism carried out by the CIA and its affiliates.
As Professor Alfred W. McCoy of the University of Wisconsin-Madison points out, through drug prohibition, police act as “an informal regulator, controlling the volume of vice trading and setting the level of syndication”; this results in the creation of “powerful syndicates and a high volume of illicit activity.”
According to former DEA undercover operative Michael Levine, “The fundamental problem with the so-called war on drugs is that both sides are winning — the drug lords and the `suits’ — because they both are making a killing” because of prohibition. That’s one reason why investigators like John McLaughlin are rewarded for gathering up huge volumes of tiny fish – and severely punished when they disturb any of the politically protected barracudas.
In a 1997 interview, Levine told me about a conversation he had with a CIA officer in Argentina eighteen years earlier.
“There was a small group of us gathered for a drinking party at the CIA guy’s apartment,” Levine recalled. “There were several Argentine police officers there as well; at the time, Argentina was a police state in which people could be taken into custody without warning, tortured, and then `disappeared.’”
In other words, it differed little from what America has now become.
To continue:
“At one point my associate in the CIA said that he preferred Argentina’s approach to social order, and that America should be more like that country. Somebody asked, `Well, how does a change of that sort happen?’ The spook replied that it was necessary to create a situation of public fear — a sense of impending anarchy and social upheaval in which the people will literally plead with Congress, `Take whatever rights you need, but save us….”
flash says:
…along those same lines…another victim of the government drug cartel.
It’s a long read , but worth the time.
I first learned of Webb’s investigative work in this story.
Introduction – Dillon Read and the Aristocracy of Stock Profits
http://www.dunwalke.com/introduction.htm
My hope is that “Dillon, Read & the Aristocracy of Stock Profits” will help you to see the game sufficiently to recognize the dividing line between two visions. One centralizes power and knowledge in a manner that tears down communities and infrastructure as it dominates wealth and shrinks freedom. The other diversifies power and knowledge to create new wealth through rebuilding infrastructure and communities and nourishing our natural resources in a way that reaffirms our ancient and deepest dream of freedom.
My hope is that as your powers grow to see the financial game and the true dividing lines, you will be better able to build networks of authentic people inventing authentic solutions to the real challenges we face. My hope is that you will no longer invite into your lives and work the people and organizations that sabotage real change. If enough of us come clean and hold true to the intention to transform the game, we invite in the magic that comes in dangerous times.
Yes, there is a better way and, yes, we can create it.
Continue
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12th December 2012 at 9:52 am
Stucky says:
What more can be said? Another fine article pointing out yet another aspect of the total failure of the so-called “war on drugs”. Should be called, “War on Liberty” or “War on Citizens”. If someone made a TV-series, an apt name would be “Corporate Bonanza”.
The Most Amazing Thing: — some people, and I won’t name names, STILL defend this utterly corrupt ‘war’ …. regardless of all the available data showing the ‘war’ is lost, lost, LOST.
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12th December 2012 at 10:25 am
Stucky says:
PS: 500,000 people are in jail for mere possession.
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P.S.S. Bring popcorn, folks.
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12th December 2012 at 10:27 am
intj says:
The “war on drugs” is, was and will remain as contrived and manufactured as the “war on terror”.
Both are total con jobs sold to the sheeple for their own protection but in reality are nothing less than skimming operations to milk the nation of ever more wealth and prosperity.
Government mandated, funded, and run for the benefit of an elite, well-connected group to siphon tax dollars into private bank accounts.
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12th December 2012 at 11:24 am
ecliptix543 says:
INTJ – I think it’s quite a bit more than a simple skim operation. Besides the 2nd order benefits to the prison industrial complex, the main benefits are to be found in financing the destructive, nefarious meddling committed by the CIA and other alphabet agencies hell-bent on keeping the world at war. All this so they can make money? Decorate their office walls? Move up to bigger and better assignments of evil? More rape and pillage and murder of the global peasantry?
Murderous filth to be strung up and shot at first opportunity.
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12th December 2012 at 11:50 am
intj says:
I agree – the wars themselves are what is lining the most pockets and apparently TPTB are aware enough to know the average American would not be interested in taxing themselves to “finance the destructive, nefarious meddling” that goes on globally – so we have this hidden tax.
Our “elected” officials carry on as if none of this matters so we are left with either evil or stupid – and IMO “mistakes were made” is the primary lie used by evil to hide behind.
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12th December 2012 at 12:18 pm
Nonanonymous says:
Why be content with tax revenues, old school prohibition, when you can siphon the entire revenue stream?
Only further proof the feds have lost all restraint, and are merely tightening the noose on civilization.
I’m amazed at how many comparisons there are of Hitler to the tea partiers, when it should be obvious Hitler was a socialist.
No matter fascist or socialist, the end result is the same.
It is far time the term Liberal and Liberalism are wrested away from the usurpers, and applied correctly to liberating the common man from the social and government order of the day.
When the current administration comes for our guns and gold, it will be time to effect a change of government to once again become of, by, and for the people, not the government.
The same psychology of the drug war can be applied to government borrowing and spending. Why be content to taxing and spending, when you can borrow, and spend the entire revenue stream?
It’s criminal and that’s what our federal government has become, until society as a whole is fed up. When and where will that occur,? When the Internet is censored? When the food supply chain is disrupted? When oil reaches $200/bbl? At what point do the people rebel? And what will be the government response?
We’re going to find out what happens when the unsustainable is no longer sustainable.
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12th December 2012 at 12:22 pm
Roy says:
The largest businesses in the world dealing with a physical entity in rank order – 1. oil 2. armaments 3. drugs. Connect the dots.
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12th December 2012 at 1:13 pm
ThePessimisticChemist says:
War on Poverty
War on Drugs
War on Terror
War on Obesity
Ok guys, time to play Nostradomas: What obscure construct will the US wage “war” with next?
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12th December 2012 at 1:19 pm
intj says:
War on carbon?
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12th December 2012 at 1:57 pm
ThePessimisticChemist says:
I vote War on War, where we wage War to stop War from warring with other Wars.
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12th December 2012 at 2:01 pm
ThePessimisticChemist says:
In related news:
http://news.yahoo.com/us-nkorea-missile-launch-provocative-act-051816027.html
US: NKorea missile launch is ‘provocative act’
We point a finger at N Korea screaming “they might attack!,” when the reality is that no country on Earth has waged as much worldwide war as the US over the last 60 years.
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12th December 2012 at 2:07 pm
Stucky says:
More current wars;
Cuntsack Megyn Kelly
Lemonade Stands
Global Warming
Middle Class
Gay Marriage
Intolerance
Smoking
Oil wars
Illiteracy
Cancer
Sugar
Guns
Soda
Fat
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12th December 2012 at 2:09 pm
SSS says:
What the hell is going on here? Did someone declare “Let’s Shit All Over SSS” week, and I missed it? Fuck you and the horse you rode in on, Clip.
You post more conspiracy bullshit from some disgruntled and unhinged STATE, not federal, law enforcement officer. Just like the mentally disturbed LA cop who was absolutely sure he uncovered a CIA connection in smuggling cocaine and crack into the U.S. That fucker was so unbalanced that he got fired from the LA police force. None of his allegations and supposed CIA contacts checked out. Not one.
The CIA wouldn’t take the time to piss on these people’s boots, much less share any information with them. But n-o-o-o-o, this McLaughlin guy claims he “obtained a CIA memo.” Well, where the fuck is it and what does it say? The article has plenty of links which you can click on, but strangely doesn’t have one for this supposed memo. What’s McLaughlin going to do with it? Pass it on to his grandchildren?
Sometimes the naivete of people on this site is appalling.
Hot debate. What do you think?
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12th December 2012 at 3:46 pm
SSS says:
Let me join TPC’s challenge …… What obscure construct will the US wage “war” with next?
Try these, bitchez.
War on Murder
War on Robbery
War on Rape
War on Kidnapping
War on Assault
Get it, assholes? We’re losing, so let’s throw in the towel and legalize all of them. Yeah, that’s the ticket.
Hot debate. What do you think?
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12th December 2012 at 3:52 pm
Stucky says:
Equating smoking pot with murder, rape, kidnapping ….
WTF?? Did you mix up your Viagra with the Stupid Pill??
Sometimes your nonsense is appalling.
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12th December 2012 at 4:05 pm
Stucky says:
Don’t know I forgot this one. War on Workers.
James Hoffa said yesterday there will be a civil war.
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12th December 2012 at 4:08 pm
Administrator says:
SSS arrives on the thread in a foul mood.
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12th December 2012 at 4:11 pm
SSS says:
Fuck it. I am going to grow my hair out, pull it into a ponytail, grow a scraggly beard, get an old VW van, and drive around puffing on blunts all day. I surrender. No more war on drugs. If you cannot beat them, join them.
I wonder what the folks at my country club will say when I fire one up one the first tee.
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12th December 2012 at 4:15 pm
Stucky says:
SSS goes golfing after taking his first hit of sweet Aunt Mary,
taking only his putter.
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12th December 2012 at 4:26 pm
SSS says:
“I wonder what the folks at my country club will say when I fire one up one the first tee.”
—-Doppel Stucky
They’ll say, “Well, he can’t possibly play any worse than he did yesterday, so let’s go with it and see what happens.”
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12th December 2012 at 4:30 pm
Stucky says:
I did not dopple.
BTW, you have a swe-e-e-e-t ass.
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12th December 2012 at 4:49 pm
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SSS
You were not doppled by Stucky. It may have been another Big Dog.
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12th December 2012 at 4:57 pm
ThePessimisticChemist says:
Lol, I’m loving some of the wars, though some of them are already being wages (here’s looking at YOU War on Global Warming!)
@SSS
46% of Americans say they would vote for the legalization of pot.
46 fucking percent.
Shit like this shouldn’t need a majority to pass, right now its the greater majority suppressing the rights of the “minority”.
THIS SHOULD BE A STATES RIGHTS ISSUE!
For every article you can find stating marijuana does irreparable harm, I can find 5 stating it has zero long lasting effects from a narcotic standpoint. Please note, I said NARCOTIC. Quite naturally smoking something lowers your lung capacity, though pot is far less damaging than tobacco.
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12th December 2012 at 5:45 pm
Novista says:
False flag operations through history, internal affairs regularly exonerating thug cops, but the CIA checks itself and we’re to believe them.
OK.
It took 30 years for the “family jewels” to see the light of day.
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12th December 2012 at 8:15 pm
ecliptix543 says:
Could I be charged with manslaughter if SSS strokes out and dies of rage after reading one of my posts?
Well, no way to know but to try…
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12th December 2012 at 8:27 pm
SSS says:
Anyone
I have posted this before, with the sound of crickets to follow. Answer one simple question, please.
How is the USG going to deal with the fact that it has signed 3 international treaties, the third of which classifies and outlaws marijuana as a Schedule One narcotic substance on a par with cocaine and heroin, and at the same time put itself on a path to legalizing marijuana (or any other narcotic substance)?
Public opinion notwithstanding, how’s that gonna work? Unilateral abrogation of the treaties? Yes, it can be done that way, but where are you going to find 67 Senators to back abrogation (Section II, Article II of the Constitution) and rescind 3 treaties we have signed?
Answer: you’re not. But I await the collective wisdom of the pro-legalization dullards on this site to mouth off about public opinion polls (TPC), the medical merits of smoking pot (flash), the “sweet nectar” of feeling good about getting high equals getting a blowjob (Stucky), or “the CIA did it” (Clippy aka Skippy).
Try and focus now, class. The subject is international treaties on illegal drugs, not your girlfriend’s bra size or the length of your husband’s dick. Ready, set, go!!!!
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12th December 2012 at 9:28 pm
Kill Bill says:
I wonder what the folks at my country club will say when I fire one up one the first tee. -SSS
Puff Puff Give
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5s_zsOyHbVY
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12th December 2012 at 9:42 pm
ecliptix543 says:
For fuck’s sake… the USG, as you call it, selectively abides by all sorts of treaties, most embarrassingly the Geneva Conventions’ terms regarding torture, assassination, targeting civilians, etc. Who gives a rat’s bald ass if we decide to get stoned? Do you REALLY think the world will be in an uproar over the US smoking out, when we casually murder thousands of civilians per year via drone strikes and providing “technical assistance” or “military advisers” to various puppet states throughout the world? Fuck YOU and the horse you rode in on, Spooky.
Love,
Skippy
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12th December 2012 at 10:18 pm
ecliptix543 says:
P.S. – How, exactly, have you managed to maintain such a pert, delicious little ass like that? When I’m your age, in about 70 years, I might need to know.
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12th December 2012 at 10:20 pm
SSS says:
“False flag operations through history, internal affairs regularly exonerating thug cops, but the CIA checks itself and we’re to believe them.”
—-Novista
Wrong. The CIA does not “check itself” and has had congressional oversight since the mid-1970s, when the House and Senate Select Permanent Intelligence Oversight Committees were formed. Past members include such liberal hyper-critics of the CIA as Nancy Pelosi and other uber-liberals as Senator Barbara Mikulski from Maryland and Representative Luis Gutierrez from Illinois.
All of these members of Congress have Top Secret Special Compartmental Intelligence (SCI) clearances, the same clearance I held at the CIA. And a few of their staff members also hold this clearance, since they attend the classified hearings which are held.
Now, in all this time which is 35 years and counting, do you think the CIA is merely “checking itself” and getting away with it when there are so many members of Congress, left, right, and center, watching what the CIA does? If you think that is plausible, I can’t help you.
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12th December 2012 at 10:21 pm
Kill Bill says:
Since the FED, by law, cannot bail out state governments, then legalizing pot [Not heroin or cocaine] would help defeat the drug cartels [by robbing them of funding] and taxing, and controlling pot production, not to mention other uses for the seed and fiber the plant creates.
Because clearly the international triage is not working.
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12th December 2012 at 10:26 pm
Anonymous says:
Skippy
Sorry to burst your bubble, but the world, from free to totalitarian governments, does care deeply about whether the U.S. abides by the international drug treaties. Let me give you an example.
The U.S. shares information on drug trafficking with both The Netherlands and Russia, for example. We have an extremely close relationship with the Dutch government, which is notorious for its tolerance of PERSONAL use of drugs, and not so close with the Russians, which is hardline anti-drug. Want to guess who would be one of the loudest voices in opposing any softening of the treaties against drug trafficking? If you said the Dutch, bingo.
Who’s next? Who else wants to venture an opinion on how to get rid of the three international drug treaties which the U.S. has signed?
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12th December 2012 at 11:05 pm
SSS says:
WTF? Anon above was me.
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12th December 2012 at 11:11 pm
ecliptix543 says:
Interesting. I also held TS-SCI. That still doesn’t mean jack shit when it comes to the farcical ‘supervision’ of Congressional committees. They did a bang up job of supervising the intel on Iraq when it suited the administration’s purposes. Similarly astounding competency has been displayed in supervising the CIA’s choice of allies in Libya and Syria. I’ve traveled to Holland in support of a RNLAF avionics program through Boeing and ARINC, which included living in the barracks alongside their air force officers and enlisted. I didn’t get any sense that they gave a shit about the anal retentive drug laws in the US. As long as we didn’t burn the building down, they didn’t really seem to care a whole lot about smoking.
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12th December 2012 at 11:37 pm
OF says:
“How is the USG going to deal with the fact that it has signed 3 international treaties, the third of which classifies and outlaws marijuana as a Schedule One narcotic substance on a par with cocaine and heroin, and at the same time put itself on a path to legalizing marijuana (or any other narcotic substance)?” SSS
Treaty? US? Europe? Are you reading Disney shit? Your gov doesn´t give a flying fuck for treaties if they´re in their way. You lose. Your arguments are weak, old-fashioned, ignore reality AND THE WORST:
Your stance, SSS, is NOT libertarian! It´s against everything libertarianism stands for. It´s against the very core of libertarianism.
I mean, how the fuck do you think wars start? By adhering to treaties or what? You were at the CIA? It shows. No brains.
If only there would be the day a land runs out of fucking morons like you who join their fucking “services”, we wouldn´t have these problems now. 500.000 in prison for possession! You should be sent to prison for serving the CIA. For life!
Why don´t you go and write for the Obama camp. You´re on the wrong site. P.S.: In your Skippy retort you mix oranges with apples on top of it all.
You need moral support for your odious position? Like that country does this and that country does that? As if any country besides maybe Russia and China can do anything against your US gov assholes from the CIA!
They just didn´t let a guy like you into the depts. where the real shit happens.
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12th December 2012 at 1:12 am
IndenturedServant says:
SSS said:
“All of these members of Congress have Top Secret Special Compartmental Intelligence (SCI) clearances, the same clearance I held at the CIA. And a few of their staff members also hold this clearance, since they attend the classified hearings which are held.
Now, in all this time which is 35 years and counting, do you think the CIA is merely “checking itself” and getting away with it when there are so many members of Congress, left, right, and center, watching what the CIA does? If you think that is plausible, I can’t help you.”
I’m not pro Mary Jane myself however, I have a general comment on your statement above. Considering all of the corrupt, indefensible bullshit that Congress is frequently outed for along with their beyond appalling approval rating, I would not trust any member of Congress to walk my dog let alone oversee a powerful and secretive body like the CIA. That goes x10 for that lunatic bitch, Nancy Pelosi! Ever heard of the fox guarding the hen-house? It would be like letting the Bloods and Crips oversee the Mafia.
I_S
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12th December 2012 at 1:49 am
Kill Bill says:
Your stance, SSS, is NOT libertarian! It´s against everything libertarianism stands for. It´s against the very core of libertarianism. -OF
SSS is generous enough to give his view and I doubt you will find this on any other site. See each others views and learn from it. Then have a beer or more get drunk duke it out and by the next day
oh well,,
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12th December 2012 at 1:58 am
Stucky says:
“But I await the collective wisdom of the pro-legalization dullards on this site to …….. the “sweet nectar” of feeling good about getting high equals getting a blowjob (Stucky),….” ——SSS
SSS, you are quoting me out of context, I was just trying to be funny. I’ve had neither in 20+ years.
While I strongly dislike your views on the subject, I do like you, and I think the attacks are getting a tad bit to personal, and I feel bad about that.
I could live with drugs being illegal if only the gov would de-criminalize all personal use from a felony to a misdemeanor with no jail time …. especially for tokin’ the sweet nectar. Jailing people and destroying their lives for smoking pot is evil and immoral. It must end.
I have mixed feelings about the hard stuff; heroin, meth, etc. I’ve never done them, never will, and have never even been tempted or even gave it a fleeting thought to try. Nasty shit and that it’s illegal has probably saved lives. But I just can’t get away from the ‘personal use’ issue – as a (supposedly) free person in a (supposedly) free country, why the fuck can the gov jail me for shootin’, snortin’, poppin’ or whatever in the privacy of my own home? This too is insane.
Lastly, as others have pointed out, your “abrogation of the treaties” defense is the weakest one you have ever, ever made. It smells of desperation. I picture you as you’re writing it that you were wondering “will people believe this crap?”. You know for a fact; 1) we MAKE treaties when it’s in our best interests to do so and, 2) we BREAK treaties when it’s in our best interests to do so. End of story. You really must come up with a better reason.
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12th December 2012 at 8:56 am
ThePessimisticChemist says:
@SSS “How is the USG going to deal with the fact that it has signed 3 international treaties, the third of which classifies and outlaws marijuana as a Schedule One narcotic substance on a par with cocaine and heroin, and at the same time put itself on a path to legalizing marijuana (or any other narcotic substance)?”
We inform them that per our constitution the above drug (singular, I’m only advocating marijuana decriminalization) is a states right issue, and will no longer be considered a Schedule One narcotic substance. Treaties can be rewritten, your assertion that THIS is the end-all-be-all of the marijuana issue makes me think that you don’t really care too much about the topic anymore.
“mouth off about public opinion polls (TPC)”
To be fair, we do kind of vote shit in in this country. Public opinion polls matter.
Also, I’m mouthing off about scientific evidence, don’t forget that part either (I know its difficult not to forget thing, we all know the reason your golf scores are so atrocious is because you can never remember where your ball went, which hole you are at or even that you are playing golf).
Actual picture of SSS trying to wake his computer up in the morning.
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12th December 2012 at 9:31 am
Stucky says:
The problem with SSS’s golf game is that he’s too easily distracted.
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12th December 2012 at 9:50 am
IndenturedServant says:
“Jailing people and destroying their lives for smoking pot is evil and immoral. It must end.”
I can agree with that. Every person I’ve ever met who did time for weed, had jobs, homes and were mostly productive and contributing to society. They instantly became wards of the state and in many cases, so did their family. Taxpayers are the real losers. We pay all the legal costs, incarceration costs and we pay to support the living expenses of both the inmate and their family!
We could have legalized it 20 years ago, cut out all the massive expense of jailing people and taxed it for a net profit or less of a loss. We could have easily kicked the can down the road a couple more decades.
I_S
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12th December 2012 at 9:58 am
Administrator says:
Senate to hold hearing on marijuana policy
WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — The Senate Judiciary Committee will hold a hearing early next year on federal marijuana policy, the head of the committee said Thursday. Vermont Democrat Patrick Leahy said he intends to hold a hearing in light of recently passed state laws legalizing personal marijuana use. Given the fiscal constraints of federal law enforcement, Leahy asked in a letter to Office of National Drug Control Policy Director Gil Kerlikowske how the administration plans to use federal resources in light of new laws in Colorado and Washington State, as well as what recommendations the agency is making to the Department of Justice. He also asked the ONDCP director what assurances the administration can give to state officials to ensure they will face no criminal penalties for carrying out their duties under those state laws.
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12th December 2012 at 10:23 am
Stucky says:
Senate to hold hearing on marijuana policy
WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — The Senate Judiciary Committee will hold a hearing early next year –in order to give SSS enought time to mount a defense — on federal marijuana policy, the head of the committee said Thursday. Vermont Democrat Patrick Leahy said he intends to hold a hearing in light of recently passed state laws legalizing personal marijuana use, and because SSS is about to have a heart attack over the matter. Given the fiscal constraints of federal law enforcement and because SSS wants to spend $5 trillion dollars to imprison every marijuana user, Leahy asked in a letter to Office of National Drug Control Policy Director Gil Kerlikowske, a former SSS lackey, how the administration plans to use federal resources in light of new laws in Colorado and Washington State, as well as what recommendations the agency is making to the Department of Justice, the CIA, and to SSS himself. He also asked the ONDCP director what assurances SSS can give to state officials to ensure them that SSS will not execute them for carrying out their duties under those state laws
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12th December 2012 at 10:42 am
SSS says:
@ Skippy, who said, with my reply in caps,
“That still doesn’t mean jack shit when it comes to the farcical ‘supervision’ of Congressional committees. They (Senate and House Intel Committees) did a bang up job of supervising the intel on Iraq when it suited the administration’s purposes.” DAMN, YOU IDIOT, THAT’S NOT THE FUCKING JOB OF THOSE COMMITTEES. OVERSIGHT IS THEIR JOB, NOT INTELLIGENCE ASSESSMENT. THE IRAQ INTEL ASSESSMENT WAS A COLLECTION OF INPUTS FROM U.S. AND FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES, TO INCLUDE THE BRITISH, FRENCH, GERMANS, ITALIANS, AND A HOST OF OTHER FRIENDLY ALLIES WHO STILL HELD DIPLOMATIC RELATIONS WITH IRAQ.
“Similarly astounding competency has been displayed in supervising the CIA’s choice of allies in Libya and Syria.” HOW FUCKING STUPID CAN YOU GET. OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH LIBYA AND SYRIA, WHETHER PRO OR CON OR NEUTRAL, IS A GODDAMN FOREIGN POLICY DECISION, WHICH IS THE UNIQUE, I SAY AGAIN, UNIQUE PURVIEW OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, AND THE PRESIDENT’S PRINCIPAL ADVISOR ON FOREIGN POLICY IS THE FUCKING SECRETARY OF STATE. THE CIA HAS ZERO INPUT ON FOREIGN POLICY DECISIONS, OTHER THAN TO PROVIDE PERTINENT INTELLIGENCE INPUT WHEN REQUESTED. OTHER THAN THAT, THE CIA IS TOTALLY OUT OF THE LOOP. WHO TAUGHT YOU HOW THE USG FUNCTIONS? THE KGB?
And I’m not impressed with your security clearance, btw. It appears you were involved as a civilian with communications encryption programs, given your citation of Boeing and ARINC as employers. Maybe not. But do you know where you were in the world of classified information? Right out there on the furthest perimeter. So, you don’t know jackshit about the most sensitive of intelligence operations, HUMINT (human intelligence), aka spying. I do, and I have 20 years experience to back it up.
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12th December 2012 at 6:20 pm
intj says:
Silly me – ever since the JFK assassination I’ve been thinking the CIA was the power (muscle) behind the throne.
Who knew they actually *took* orders from somewhere other than Wall Street …. interesting concept.
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12th December 2012 at 6:56 pm
SSS says:
@ OF, who said (in quotes)………
“Your stance, SSS, is NOT libertarian! It´s against everything libertarianism stands for. It´s against the very core of libertarianism.” I never claimed to take the Libertarian stance on illegal drugs on this site or anywhere else. I oppose the Libertarian views on drugs. I’m a registered Libertarian. I agree with most Libertarian positions on issues, but not drugs. Would you like to report me to the Libertarian Party Hqs for deviationism?
“I mean, how the fuck do you think wars start? By adhering to treaties or what? You were at the CIA? It shows. No brains.” I also spent 24 years in the Air Force as a fighter pilot. Maybe that’s where my brains fell out. Too many g’s on those combat missions and the gunnery range.
“If only there would be the day a land runs out of fucking morons like you who join their fucking “services”, we wouldn´t have these problems now.” If only there would be the day when people like you didn’t show up on TBP.
“500.000 in prison for possession! You should be sent to prison for serving the CIA. For life!” Try to use a comma instead of a period when you cite a number, as in 500,000. Post a credible link that backs up your assertion.
AND I’M REALLY SURPRISED THAT “OF” GOT 4 THUMBS-UP FOR STATING THAT I SHOULD BE SENT TO PRISON FOR LIFE SIMPLY BECAUSE I SERVED IN THE CIA. THAT’S NOT A GOOD SIGN.
“You need moral support for your odious position? Like that country does this and that country does that? As if any country besides maybe Russia and China can do anything against your US gov assholes from the CIA!” I’m at a total loss, OF. WTF are you talking about?
“They just didn´t let a guy like you into the depts. where the real shit happens.” Who is “they”? Whatever your answer, they did. I was not only was privy to where the “real shit happens,” I made the real shit happen. Jealous, OF?
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12th December 2012 at 8:17 pm
SSS says:
Stucky
That satirical comment on the Senate Juduciary Committee was funny. Thanks.
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12th December 2012 at 8:40 pm