Obama, Bloomberg, and the rest of the control freaks that run this country will never get it. Neither will the ignorant masses who will be told how to feel and react to this tragedy.
Are You Smarter Than A 5th Grader? (CT Shooting)
Lifted — with attribution — from FedUpUSA
Today’s shooting at an elementary school in Connecticut was a tragedy. But it was a tragedy that could have been either entirely avoided or at least mitigated substantially. How? Well, it’s time to stop thinking of this as a political issue and to start thinking about this as a tactical, safety issue and apply some very straightforward logic. To do this, we’re going to ask a 5th grader. After all, who better to ask than a person representative of the victims targeted?
After he’d seen the news all over the TV, I simply asked my 5th grader how this tragedy could have been averted. What could have been done differently? First, I presented him with a piece of paper and we drew a bad guy and a potential victim. I labeled the location as a hardware store.
Then I told him to draw whatever he could think of that would have stopped the bad guy. He drew this without a second’s hesitation:
Hmm. He gave the store clerk a gun. That, he said, leveled the playing field. He said that the clerk would have had just as much chance of stopping the bad guy as the bad guy had of injuring or killing the store clerk. Fair enough. That fulfilled my request.
So, then I gave him this picture. I merely changed the location. I told him everything was the same, except now we’re at a school and instead of a store clerk, we had a principal sitting in his office.
He thought for a second and started to draw a gun in the principal’s hand. I had to stop him. I then explained that Connecticut had laws about guns that stated the following were gun-free zones (meaning no one could have a firearm at these locations):
- Schools
- Courts
- Churches
In typical 5th grader fashion, he argued, ‘But the bad guy just broke the law!’
I said, ‘I see that. But did it stop him? He’s still there in the picture, right?’
‘Yes,’ he conceded. ’Now what?’
I said, ‘That’s up to you.’ What can be done?’
‘Well, the principal can call the police; I’ll draw a phone….,’ he said.
‘Good idea! How long will it take the police to get there compared to how fast that bad guy can shoot?’ I responded.
‘Arrgh! Okay….he can duck behind the desk….no….that won’t work; bullets could go through that and the bad guy could run around really fast. A knife? Not so good against a gun. Arggh.’ Then silence. ’I don’t know. I can’t think of anything else that will work! A gun is tough to beat. Everything I’m thinking ends up like this.’ And he drew the following:
‘And that’s what happened today at the school in Connecticut,’ I said. So, then I asked him who those gun laws prohibiting firearms in schools, churches and courts protected.
‘Duh, mom….the BAD GUYS! They don’t care about laws. They weren’t going to follow them anyway.’
Are you smarter than a 5th grader?
We shall soon see if Governor Rick Snyder of Michigan is smarter than a 5th grader as he considers whether to sign SB-59, which essentially eliminates these ‘gun free zones’ or as my son calls them, ‘easy target zones.’ However, one thing of which Michigan citizens should be aware, we really do not have ‘gun free zones’ in Michigan. These zones are merely concealed carry-free zones.
As my friend Rick Ector, of Rick’s Firearms Academy points out:
CPL (Concealed Pistol License)-Holders Carrying Guns in School: In Michigan, it’s going to happen regardless of whether Governor Snyder signs SB-59 or not. You see, a long time ago before our conceal carry license process became “shall issue,” we had a discretionary process. Under that system, each county could hand pick who they wanted to have conceal carry licenses. These “good” folks had an exemption written in law for them to carry in pistol-free zones, such as schools. Well, a funny thing thing happened about 11 years ago. The law was changed such that anybody who met the criteria could get one. The CPL law however designated made places, like schools, to be off-limits while concealed carrying. So, the only other way to carry in a place like a school was to do so openly – if you had a CPL. Long story short: if the governor does not sign the bill, CPL-holders can only carry guns in restricted areas, like schools, if they do so openly. It’s the law. If you don’t like it, call the governor and tell him to sign HB-59. If he does, we will have to get more training and hide them from your eyes so you’ll “feel” safe. True story.
The timing of this bill’s debate is certainly ironic in light of this horrible tragedy, but the fact remains, we must approach this problem from a tactical perspective. There is no place for emotional reaction when it comes to our personal safety or the safety of our children. As my 5th grader showed you, the answer to the problem is NOT to further disarm law-abiding citizens. Nothing about what this mass-murderer did was ‘law abiding’ and it is my understanding he didn’t buy the guns or own them. He stole them (so he didn’t follow that no stealing law). Then he shot their owner (and he didn’t follow that no killing law). Then he proceeded to find targets that were the most vulnerable and ones that would put up no resistance and had no way to defend themselves. This is what criminals do. They prey on the weak and defenseless. They don’t follow laws! So, what makes anyone think he’d have followed gun laws any more than he did the laws against theft and murder? They don’t and they won’t. That’s why they’re called criminals.
Gun laws merely make it more difficult for those who are law-abiding to defend themselves against those who don’t care one bit about following the law. Criminals will ALWAYS find a way to accomplish their crimes, whether it is stealing, killing, raping or obtaining a firearm.
Please note before you comment: I have personally met the 5th grader in question in the above from FedUpUSA.
He is a real 5th grader, not someone’s imagination.
I bet he’s smarter than the majority of the people who will read this post, and so long as there are real 5th graders like him there is hope for this nation.
Administrator says:
Posted 2012-12-15 12:35
by Karl Denninger
in Editorial
CT School Shootings; Facts Before Hype
You have to live in a hole not to know that a deranged young man shot up a school yesterday morning.
In the aftermath there are the predictable calls for bans on all guns, bans on most guns, and bans on, well, anyone other than you having a gun.
Hysteria does not produce good results. Indeed, evil men often wait for conveniently-timed hysteria to do unspeakably ugly and evil things under cover of public demand that they conveniently exploit. There are hundreds if not thousands of banksters freely roaming the land today who are free under precisely this rubric; men and women (but mostly men) who would under any rational legal system be rotting in prison right now but for Hank Paulson and Ben Bernanke locking Congress in a room in the dark evenings of 2008 and threatening that the end of the world would ensue if he was not given plenary power to do whatever he thought necessary. He even came with a convenient three-page document that would grant him that power. Ultimately Congress only gave him part of what he asked for, but as is almost always the case when someone claims he is going to do something under mass-hysteria conditions he is lying, and intends to do something else.
Such was the case with Hank Paulson, who we now know had “changed his intent” to buy toxic assets (his original claim) before Congress voted on the proposal and yet didn’t tell Congress of his changed intentions, misleading the body intentionally by omission.
You’re still paying for the result today in the form of ridiculous unemployment, food stamp recipients going off the scale, gasoline and other necessities nearly doubling in price and the inexorable health care cost ramp continuing. All of this is happening because instead of addressing the causes of the crisis and jailing the malefactors responsible the executive used the hysteria generated by Lehman’s failure to shove a law down Congressional throats.
Now let’s look at what we know about the Connecticut shootings — and unlike many commentators I will clearly delineate that which we now can state confidently are facts, that which is a reasonable conclusion from those facts, and that which is speculative in character at this time as sufficient information is not available to refute or support such a position.
We’ll start with the guns. They are reported to have been legally owned by the shooter’s mother and included a Glock pistol, a Sig pistol and a .223 caliber rifle. The rifle has been reported to be a sporting variety commonly used for target practice or hunting varmints; if the make and model reported are correct it is indeed a hunting variant (it has a fixed stock as hunting rifles typically do, no flash-hider on the front or other “scary looking” but immaterial cosmetics, etc.) Sig makes extremely high-quality (and commensurately expensive) pistols; Glock of course makes highly-reliable and well-respected weapons as well. A little-known fact about Glocks is that for many people they “point” funny due to a different grip angle than most other pistols; some people find them very difficult to shoot accurately for this reason. That may be why the mother owned both (she may have bought one and not liked it, then bought the other.) The rifle was found inside the car the shooter drove and since he never came out of the school building once going in it must be presumed that he did not use that gun in the school assault. There is nothing particularly-remarkable about the weapons used in this assault; they are common guns used lawfully by millions of Americans for hunting, target practice and defensive purposes.
Of note is that the shooter could not have legally acquired the pistols, as he is not 21. Federal law requires one to be 21 years of age before purchasing a pistol at retail.
In other words the shooter effectively stole the weapons used in the assault. We do not know at this point (and may never know) the exact order of events in terms of his acquisition of the weapons but what we do know is that he murdered their owner, ending her ability to report the theft or to resist what he intended to do with them next.
That is, there was no “gun control” violation involved in this assault. The bad guy did not obtain the weapons through lawful means and he also did not circumvent the background check system by, for example, buying them privately from someone (the much-maligned “gun show loophole” that people talk about but is almost-never actually implicated in an assault.) Rather, the assailant removed the weapons from their lawful owner through the crime of murder.
As a retired school teacher with no reported criminal history, there was utterly no reason to prevent the mother from owning these firearms for perfectly reasonable and lawful purposes, such as paper-punching or self-defense. Being divorced — as a single woman — she had every right and reason to be armed for defensive purposes, particularly in her own home.
So now let’s turn to the assailant and his choice of targets. The first murder, that of his mother, was the predicate act he undertook which allowed him the access to the firearms he then transported beyond the boundary of lawful possession and use. The decision to commit murder, once taken, was the predicate act that laid waste all laws that would otherwise bear on the subject matter.
You cannot stop bullets with paper (laws); by definition laws only impact the actions (or inactions) of law-abiding individuals. Once someone decides to commit a capital felony (irrespective of whether life imprisonment or death is the potential sentence) all considerations of legal sanction have been discarded and become inoperative.
Put another way there is no punishment that enhances a life sentence, nor one that enhances a sentence of death. Once the remainder of one’s life is to be spent behind bars or they are to suffer the death penalty all additional offenses they choose to commit are free of sanction, as society has exhausted the available remedies they can apply for that person’s behavior.
This is the overriding reason that “gun laws” or any other sort of proscriptive legal sanction is utterly worthless once a person has committed their first homicide.
Next, we’ll look at the school itself. The shooter didn’t walk in, he broke through a window to enter the building. The school appears to have been appropriately secured on a physical level, although obviously the glass broken through was not armored. What was missing was someone — anyone — in the building with the means and willingness to present effective resistence to an armed criminal intent on murder. From all reports the staff did what they could, having no defensive weapons and no locks on the classroom doors, to mitigate the assault — they turned on the PA system so everyone knew there was an attack in progress and the teachers barricaded themselves as best they were able. At least one teacher was shot and wounded through her door while (successfully) preventing the gunman from entering her classroom.
There are many who argue that we can prevent these assaults via strict gun laws, starting with the effective if not complete voiding of the 2nd Amendment.
But the historical record on this point is clear; governments murder far more people, ignoring wartime, than do thugs. The predicate act of every government that undertakes such an activity is to disarm the population. This was known back in 1776 and is the reason for the Second Amendment. Those who believe the founders were wrong need only look at the next 200+ years of history to see that they were absolutely right — over 200 million people have been shoved in the hole by government outside of acts of war and every single time they disarmed the population first.
Further, those who argue for gun laws need only to look at drug prohibition for a nearly 100-year unbroken record of failure. You can get drugs in prison, which is proof positive that any law that man passes can be (and will be) corrupted and circumvented. Fast and Furious anyone? How many Mexicans have we shoved in the hole by our own law enforcement officials circumventing the very laws they are sworn to uphold?
To restate for much-needed emphasis there is simply no means to prevent someone from committing a second or subsequent capital offense with a piece of paper — a law. Laws do not stop bullets and the threat of sanction is meaningless once you reach the maximum available sanction; any further threat of criminal sanction is immaterial since you can only give someone one capital or life sentence in fact, no matter how many you impose on paper.
There is thus one, and only one, means to deter those who would commit a second or subsequent murder — a visible, obvious and known risk that they will be unable to complete their second or subsequent offense because they are stopped by the immediate application of deadly force to their person.
Consider this: Why is it that we never hear of these sorts of murderous rampages taking place in a police station? After all, if you’re a murderous thug the cops are the ones who will arrest you and deliver you over to the courts where you will be tried, sentenced and then eventually imprisoned (or given the needle.) Logic dictates that you would thus assault those who would arrest and try you for your crimes, in an attempt to neuter their ability to do so.
The reason these thugs do not, as a rule, assault a police station is that they know full well that everyone in the place is armed and will resist — that while they may through the element of surprise manage to shoot one or two people the odds are nearly 100% that doing so will lead to the immediate termination of their assault via return fire.
Before you argue otherwise let’s look at the recent events, shall we? The movie theater in Colorado posted a “gun free” sign. Ditto for the mall. And, of course, under federal law schools are “gun free” zones — the government, along with gun-banners, assert that paper (laws) “protect” against bullets.
But the law only applies to and is followed by law-abiding citizens, and as I have irrefutably shown above, once someone commits their first murder there is no law that can add to their punishment since they have already elected to suffer the maximum available penalty.
Therefore, the logical place for such a person to commit a mass assault, where the odds are highest that they will be able to murder the maximum number of people, is to select a location to target where the odds of lawful defensive use of force are minimized — or non-existent.
This is why the assailants choose movie theaters or malls that are posted “gun-free” zones — and schools.
Occasionally, however, their plans go awry. For instance, in Oregon.
“He was working on his rifle,” said Meli. “He kept pulling the charging handle and hitting the side.”
The break in gunfire allowed Meli to pull out his own gun, but he never took his eyes off the shooter.
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“I’m not beating myself up cause I didn’t shoot him,” said Meli. “I know after he saw me I think the last shot he fired was the one he used on himself.”
Indeed the shooter did shoot himself next, despite having multiple additional unarmed people available near him to continue his rampage, along with additional cartridges, once he unjammed the gun.
Why?
He saw the man who, despite a sign claiming that there were no guns in the mall, was in fact armed and able to return fire. The assailant’s illusion of a free-fire zone where all the people he wanted to shoot were free from the risk of returning fire had been dispelled; had he elected to shoot another unarmed and helpless individual the odds are good that he would have exposed himself to being shot as he would have had to move in a fashion that would have given the CCW holder a clear shot at him.
As such he elected to take his own life since he knew, at that point, that he no longer had the ability to continue to murder people without reprisal.
Nick Meli saved lives with a gun. He did so without discharging the weapon as occurs more than one million times a year in the United States; his mere display of the weapon broke the illusion of a risk-free target zone for the shooter. Without that citizen firing a shot by the mere display of his gun the shooter’s calculation of risk and reward changed, and he elected to kill himself rather than continue his rampage.
You won’t hear this reported in the media, of course. Nor will the screaming left, who prey on emotion rather than facts, take an analytical look at these events. Indeed, I was puzzled when it was first reported that the Oregon shooter elected to shoot himself after his weapon jammed. That act made no sense standing alone; he obviously un-jammed his weapon or he couldn’t have shot himself with it, so why shoot himself rather than continue his rampage in a mall full of unarmed people? He was not at imminent risk of capture by law enforcement at that moment in time, and it did not appear from original reports that he had come into the mall targeting a specific person or persons — that is, all reports were that he was randomly shooting people rather than trying to assassinate someone with whom he had a grudge.
It therefore made absolutely no sense that he would shoot two people then choose to kill himself absent the risk of his own imminent demise.
We now know that it was precisely the risk of his imminent demise that led him to change his course of action and self-terminate his assault, and that it was the mere display of a weapon by a citizen who was willing and able to defend innocent life that made the difference.
In short, guns are not the problem. Deranged people are a serious problem, but even the seriously-deranged are capable of some level of logic. They choose the targets of their assaults predicated on the likelihood that there will be meaningful resistance offered, and when that calculation turns out to be incorrect they are either stopped or take their own life as they realize their mistake.
There are still serious questions surrounding this assault that I do not yet have sufficient facts to opine upon. For instance, was the shooter on psychotropic medication? If so, why do we continue to allow the peddlers of such drugs to sell them in the United States despite black box warnings — self-admitted warnings — that they can and do cause suicidal and homicidal rage? Why do we refuse to deal with serious mental illness and the warnings that those people exhibit (such as the shooter at the movie theater) in a forthright and honest fashion?
There are things we can do about this problem, but they have nothing to do with gun laws. It is already illegal for a person to buy a firearm if they are mentally incompetent, but if we refuse to bring someone before a judge and have them declared incompetent the problem isn’t the law — it’s us and our refusal to face facts. In the specific case in question, however, the shooter did not buy his firearms, he took them and murdered their owner. In the recent mall shooting in Oregon the firearm was also stolen.
No law is effective once a person decides to commit murder; all lesser laws, such as those against theft, are immediately rendered immaterial. At that instant in time the only option that will materially change your odds of being a victim are to increase the odds that the nutcase hellbent on murder will meet with someone willing and able to stop him or her in lawful defense.
And most of the time that defender of your life, whether it is you or someone else, will need a firearm to do so.
More “gun free” zones — and more gun laws — will only serve to increase the number and effectiveness of murderous rampages.
With guns or without.
You can only falsify this assertion when we see police departments become the successful targets of such assaults.
Hell will freeze first.
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15th December 2012 at 1:04 pm
sangell says:
If it were possible I’d like to see handguns outlawed or at least make magazine fed semi automatics illegal. They are the problem but I recognize trying to ban them would only leave them in the hands of people who are not allowed to own firearms anyway. OTOH I see no real reason to prohibit a citizen who wants a fully automatic rifle or even a belt fed machinegun from acquiring one. They are not particularly useful for committing crimes or hunting but a citizenry armed with such weapons do pose a problem for a criminal government. Let’s put it this way, do I care if my neighbor has a belt fed 50 caliber machine gun. If he wants to kill or rob me he can use a number of smaller, lighter and cheaper weapons. No, his firepower menaces no one not even a government if he is acting alone.
The threat to a rogue government only comes from thousands of similiarly armed citizens, acting as a well regulated militia under the language of the 2nd amendment , bearing arms that give them some chance of standing up to the power of the state.
Hot debate. What do you think?
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15th December 2012 at 1:38 pm
Stucky says:
No, they are not!! Asking if a politician is smarter than a 5th grader is an insult to 5th graders.
Norway has very strict gun laws. How did that work out for them?
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15th December 2012 at 1:39 pm
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15th December 2012 at 3:12 pm
Novista says:
sanjelly, you’re vying for the Statist of the Year award on this site.
” I’d like to see” … several remarkably stupid ideas that.won’t.work. Duh. This is even better than “why should we allow” … some people to have too much money. Yeah.
What fucking part of “criminals don’t obey the law” don’t you get???
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15th December 2012 at 9:30 pm
SSS says:
“OTOH I see no real reason to prohibit a citizen who wants a fully automatic rifle or even a belt fed machinegun from acquiring one. They are not particularly useful for committing crimes.”
—-sangell
OMG!!!! Have you ever seen what a fully automatic assault rifle can do, up close and personal? Have you ever fired one? Or how about something like an MP-5, which I would dearly love to own, or a MAC-10? Do you realize what a belt-fed .50 caliber automatic machine gun can do from hundreds of yards from its target? Do you know ANYTHING about small arms in genral?
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15th December 2012 at 11:15 pm
ThePessimisticChemist says:
I’d love to own an H&K MP-5.
Actually, HK makes a number of arms I’d like to own. Damn good gun manufacturer.
I’m on the fence about allowing citizens to own fully automatic arms. I’d need to review data extensively before saying either yay or nay.
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15th December 2012 at 11:21 pm
thc0655 says:
We have to rob the crazies of their motivation: deny them the possibility of becoming famous in death. The media must voluntarily agree to the following: 1. Never mention the mass murderer’s name. 2. Never show the mass murderer’s picture. 3. Never discuss or reveal in any significant detail the mass murderer’s motives or grievances. The media has done this with juveniles and sexual assault victims. They only do these mass murders to become famous. Deny it to them and they’ll just kill themselves, and maybe one or two antagonists.
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15th December 2012 at 12:12 am
Bruce says:
According to this my 1851 Navy Colt must really be a Glock. How cool is that! I never thought I’d really own a Glock.
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15th December 2012 at 12:46 am
Novista says:
thc0655
A very good point!
On automatic weapons, the first restriction was the National Firearms Act of 1934. It’s a tax and license from BATF to start with. There are other hoops to jump through and who without a legitimate reason would bother?
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15th December 2012 at 6:40 am