WAS ROSS PEROT RIGHT 20 YEARS AGO?

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Posted on 26th December 2012 by Administrator in Economy |Politics |Social Issues

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You bet your fat ass he was right.

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  1. bluestem says:

    Ross Perot was righter than rain, but his squeeky voice is the thing that doomed him to fail in politics, that and the fact he was short. But as we all know, “Runting is associated with intellectual superiority.” The study that produced that fact was on in which smaller white mice could get through the maze to the cheese faster than the larger mice, Just something to consider before we go over the cliff next week. John

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    26th December 2012 at 1:29 pm

  2. Davos says:

    I fucking voted for him 20 years ago!

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    26th December 2012 at 1:44 pm

  3. Davos says:

    You know, I could give a shit about someones looks, skin color, voice, ear size, height, hair, weight or any other physical characteristic.

    Charisma is not a measure of good leadership.

    I interviewed part of the team who was in ‘I Am Fishead’ and he told me that the charismatic ones, the good speakers, are often the psychopaths.

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    26th December 2012 at 1:48 pm

  4. Stigmation says:

    Right is an understatement. He was probably the last chance we had to actually change anything, Which is kinda sad, because he was not all that great. He did however, do one thing that is unique in politics. He told the truth.

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    26th December 2012 at 1:56 pm

  5. Olga says:

    I thought it interesting that in this past year when I would mention Ron Paul and his policies I found more than a few folks – fellow boomers for the most part – who were confused and thought I was talking about Ross Perot.

    They even look a bit similar.

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    26th December 2012 at 2:06 pm

  6. fwiw imho says:

    He told the truth and he got things done.
    Remember the rescue of his EDS employees from Iran?
    The story is told nicely in Ken Follett’s book..On Wings of Eagles.

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    26th December 2012 at 2:07 pm

  7. BiggyTmofo says:

    My God he spoke the truth 20 years ago and the MSM and political establishment crapped on RP. The is what Christ Hedges says at occupy Wall Street today. Globalization is simply the ability to close shop in the USA and move to China or wherever the wages are lowest and labor compliant and export the same goods the the USA tarriff free. Who benefits?? GE, Walmart and Wall street stock gurus. We save a dime while they makes bennies. Even if a company wants to to business here he will get hammered until he off shores his manufacturing and now IT jobs. If the job can be done in front of a computer then why not move it?? It will happen and you may keep your job if you want to move to India and be paid in Rupees. The jobs that remain will balance out over the years but I am now thinking that $30k will be the new normal in this country. Market goods and services to that income level because that is most of the folks will be at. At that income and without credit how will malls survive? They won’t. Same with colleges and other trappings of upper middle class life. Happy 2013!

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    26th December 2012 at 2:19 pm

  8. Ron says:

    I drove all over the usa and every month for many years someone would tell me about some factory closing up and going overseas.Sometimes a couple of people a month would tell this to me.
    No long term thinking by our leaders?

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    26th December 2012 at 2:38 pm

  9. backwardsevolution says:

    Davos – “… the charismatic ones, the good speakers, are often the psychopaths.”

    So true! They learn to charm, to manipulate, to dress well, to lie to your face. It’s all a facade. And they understand people very, very well, they make it their business to.

    The shallow and stupid following the shallow and cunning.

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    26th December 2012 at 2:51 pm

  10. AWD says:

    I remember Ross Perot well. Definetly not an “empty suit”. Nobody took him seriously. If you look back that last 30 years, there have been some leaders of quality, but they were minimized and discarded by the power brokers, none worse than Ron Paul.

    At that same time, the kleptocracy was running the “we’re now a service economy” propaganda bullshit to help smooth over sending millions and millions of jobs overseas. How’s that worked out? A service job means flipping burgers.

    #10 When you total up all working age Americans that do not have a job in America today, it comes to more than 100 million.

    #11 According to one recent survey, 55 percent of all small business owners in America “say they would not start a business today given what they know now and in the current environment.”

    #13 The U.S. share of global GDP has fallen from 31.8 percent in 2001 to 21.6 percent in 2011.

    #14 The United States has fallen in the global economic competitiveness rankings compiled by the World Economic Forum for four years in a row.

    #16 In 2000, there were more than 17 million Americans working in manufacturing, but now there are less than 12 million.

    #20 Right now, approximately 48 percent of all Americans are either considered to be “low income” or are living in poverty.

    #23 Back in 1950, more than 80 percent of all men in the United States had jobs. Today, less than 65 percent of all men in the United States have jobs.

    #25 If you can believe it, approximately one out of every four American workers makes 10 dollars an hour or less.

    26 According to the U.S. Census Bureau, an all-time record 49 percent of all Americans live in a home where at least one person receives financial assistance from the federal government. Back in 1983, that number was less than 30 percent.

    #27 Right now, more than 100 million Americans are enrolled in at least one welfare program run by the federal government. And that does not even count Social Security or Medicare. Overall, there are almost 80 different “means-tested welfare programs” that the federal government is currently running.

    #29 Barack Obama has been president for less than four years, and during that time the number of Americans “not in the labor force” has increased by nearly 8.5 million. Something seems really “off” about that number, because during the entire decade of the 1980s the number of Americans “not in the labor force” only rose by about 2.5 million.

    #45 Our trade deficit with China in 2011 was $295.5 billion. That was the largest trade deficit that one country has had with another country in the history of the planet.

    #46 The United States has lost an average of approximately 50,000 manufacturing jobs a month since China joined the World Trade Organization in 2001. 55,000 manufacturing facilities in the U.S. have closed down since 2001.

    #47 According to the Economic Policy Institute, America is losing half a million jobs to China every single year.

    http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/75-economic-numbers-from-2012-that-are-almost-too-crazy-to-believe

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    26th December 2012 at 3:43 pm

  11. underfire says:

    Why didn’t Perot have a chance? He didn’t promise us what we wanted. It was pretty obvious he wasn’t going to spend his share, as a politician, of the national wealth to get and keep himself elected.

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    26th December 2012 at 4:08 pm

  12. Oscar Mannheim says:

    Last time I voted in a US election, only time I campaigned hard and donated large to a presidential candidate: 1992, Ross Perot. I made up my mind to leave the country as soon as I was able after Clinton took office, and by 1998 I’d done it and have never been back. Now, with the TSA and such, I wouldn’t dream of even a visit. Neither of my children lives in the US (well, one is in Puerto Rico), but both work for US companies and both owe their very-well-paid jobs in large measure to the fact that they are “Anglos” bilingual in Spanish; my son also speaks Portuguese well, thanks to the Spanish he spoke already. The opportunities ain’t in the US anymore, at least not many as far as I can determine, and while I think Simon Black is a gasbag, his suggestion about offshoring oneself as a young person has merit, although being the “grease guy” … Sheesh!

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    26th December 2012 at 4:44 pm

  13. Pirate Jo says:

    I voted for Perot in 1992 also – my first election.

    The reason why is that I saw one of his “infommercials” on TV, where he was talking about Social Security. Every other politician in the USA was lying through his teeth – telling everyone what they wanted to hear. Ross had his little charts and graphs out there, showing everyone how the math worked, explaining that you just couldn’t promise everything to everyone. You couldn’t keep paying benefits out at this rate and not raise taxes – you had to choose.

    I thought, this funny little jug-eared guy is honest! Everyone ignored him, because they liked hearing that you could have more free shit AND not have to pay higher taxes AND not have to borrow money. Everyone likes to pretend that free shit will simply materialize out of thin air, put there by God, just for you, because he loves you. So they will vote for anyone who tells them that.

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    26th December 2012 at 5:00 pm

  14. AKAnon says:

    I voted Perot too, so look how that worked out? Slick Willie. I voted Independent for Gov in AK too-once my guy Wally Hickel won, 2nd time I ended up w/ Phony Tony Knowles. Pragmatism aside, I’ve never felt guilty about voting for the guy I wanted to win, even when I was “throwing my vote away” and helping to elect the worst choice.

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    26th December 2012 at 9:22 pm

  15. Chronic Agitator says:

    Perot yes! Yep, I even voted for George McGovern because I thought Tricky Dick Nixon was a slime ball.

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    26th December 2012 at 10:01 pm

  16. BUCKHED says:

    1992 was a year of change for me..I vowed to never vote for a demorat or republicant for pres from that day forward. I’ve kept that promise.

    Ross had a chance but if I recall he dropped out of the race due to threats from the Bush camp.

    Ross is the reason that it is so hard for a third party to get established. The Federal Election committee is run by both demorats and republicants. In order to be invited to the Pres. debates you have to have 15% of the vote per the polls. No one since Ross has had those kind of numbers. They may get Federal Matching funds but they wouldn’t be on the national stage with the two party clowns.

    Ross made them look stupid but it was the American people who were stupid…they didn’t heed his warning !

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    26th December 2012 at 10:48 pm

  17. Maddie's Mom says:

    John,

    It seemed more of a “twang” to me :)

    Nevertheless, I could listen to him all day.

    “RIGHT” is never tiresome.

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    26th December 2012 at 9:57 am

  18. ncognito1959 says:

    I first remember him on CNN back in the early 1990s talking about the national debt. It was “only” a few trillion back then.

    He, for better or worse, probably changed the course of history by siphoning off many votes from Bush, allowing Clinton to win.

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    26th December 2012 at 10:48 am

  19. underfire says:

    I feel the early nineties were the pivot point, the last good chance we had to change course and get debt and spending under control. “Bankruptcy 1995″ hit the best seller lists, with good charts and fundamentals pointing to future debt inevitably crushing the US. Perot came on the scene with the same message, the Concord Coalition formed to promote fiscal prudence during that time, and there were others saying the same thing.

    In the modern era, the collective us has never chosen fiscal responsibility and there’s no doubt in my mind that we’ll ever accept fiscal responsibility, even as we’re drug kicking and screaming over the cliff.

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    26th December 2012 at 11:44 am

  20. printmemoney says:

    Ross Perot didn’t want to win. When he was surging he dropped out, then he rejoined after he killed his momentum. I was 12 at the time……and that’s how I remember it.

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    26th December 2012 at 11:52 am

  21. FT says:

    Gotta disagree on the belief that votes siphoned by Perot caused Clinton to defeat Bush in 1992.

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/154559/US-Presidential-Election-Center.aspx

    Check out 1992 data. Pick a date after Perot initially dropped out in mid-July, and Clinton consistently was in the 50-55% range while Bush stayed in the mid 30′s.

    On July 8, last poll with Perot in, Bush led with 35%. Once Perot dropped out, his voters by and large went to Clinton.

    After Perot reentered, he actually siphoned some of his votes back from Clinton despite the damage, with Clinton’s numbers dropping from around 56% to 43% in the election while Perot had 19% (8-10% were consistently undecided/other in the interim). Bush never got above the mid-30′s in a two way race and stayed in the same range in a three way race, both before and after. That was his ceiling that year, regardless of whether Perot was in or not.

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    26th December 2012 at 11:57 am

  22. FT says:

    As a followup, it does appear Perot had a real chance to win a threeway race if he hadn’t dropped out. He was consistently above 30% until he dropped out, and never got out of the teens after his reentry in October. The lost momentum cost Perot a real chance.

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    26th December 2012 at 11:59 am

  23. BUCKHED says:

    Bush lost a lot of votes when he backtracked on “Read my lips…no new taxes”.

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    26th December 2012 at 12:07 pm

  24. Administrator says:

    Perot’s VP also performed terribly during his debate.

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    26th December 2012 at 12:10 pm

  25. Wyoming Mike says:

    That 100 year old general, Schwartzkoff. I remember SNL doing a skit where Perot drives him out in the woods and kicks him out of the car. Dunno why he couldn’t find another intelligent realist, maybe there weren’t any.

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    26th December 2012 at 1:17 pm

  26. John A says:

    Ross Perot’s VP running mate in 1992 was James Stockdale, a Navy pilot who spent many years as a POW in North Vietnam. I also voted for Perot/Stockdale in 1992.

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    26th December 2012 at 2:03 pm

  27. printmemoney says:

    I guess I missed it. I trust in tbpf opinion.

    Just an observation from a kid.

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    26th December 2012 at 7:25 pm

  28. TeresaE says:

    Ah, RP, the other truth teller.

    By ’92 I was sick of the repugs (also, I was young) and really interested in what Ross had to say.

    When he came out and said that the government had sent agents to destroy his daughter’s wedding, I thought the man had gone off the deep end.

    Sadly, I now realize, too late, that it probably happened exactly as he said it did. The government and their captured media love to marginalize anyone that dares to speak the truth.

    The more things change, the more they remain the same.

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    26th December 2012 at 8:32 am

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