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The latest from “DHS Insider” (Part II)
24 December 2012: The following is the second part of my in-person interview with a DHS insider. For Part I, please click HERE.
DH: Wait, this sounds way, way over the top. Are you telling me… [Interrupts]
RB: [Over talk/Unintelligible] …know who was selected or elected twice now. You know who his associates are. And you are saying this is way over the top? Don’t forget what Ayers said – you talked to Larry Grathwohl. This guy is a revolutionary. He does not want to transform our country in the traditional sense. He will destroy it. And he’s not working alone. He’s not working for himself, either. He has his handlers. So don’t think this is going to be a walk in the park, with some type of attempt to rescue the country. Cloward-Piven. Alinsky. Marx. All rolled into one. And he won’t need the rest of his four years to do it.
DH: I need you to be clear. Let’s go back again, I mean, to those who speak out about what’s happening.
RB: [Edit note: Obviously irritated] How much clearer do you want it? The Second Amendment will be gone, along with the first, at least practically or operationally. The Constitution will be gone, suspended, at least in an operational sense. Maybe they won’t actually say that they are suspending it, but will do it. Like saying the sky is purple when it’s actually blue. How many people will look a the sky and say yeah, it’s purple? They see what they want to see.
So the DHS, working with other law enforcement organizations, especially the TSA as it stands right now, will oversee the confiscation of assault weapons, which includes all semi-automatic weapons following a period of so-called amnesty. It also includes shotguns that hold multiple rounds, or have pistol grips. They will go after the high capacity magazines, anything over, say 5 rounds.
They will also go after the ammunition, especially at the manufacturer’s level. They will require a special license for certain weapons, and make it impossible to own anything. More draconian than England. This is a global thing too. Want to hunt? What gives you the right to hunt their animals? Sound strange? I hope so, but they believe they own the animals. Do you understand now, how sick and twisted this is? Their mentality?
The obvious intent is to disarm American citizens. They will say that we’ll still be able to defend ourselves and go hunting, but even that will be severely regulated. This is the part that they are still working out, though. While the plans were made years ago, there is some argument over the exact details. I know that Napalitano, even with her support of the agenda, would like to see this take place outside of an E.O. [Executive Order] in favor of legislative action and even with UN involvement.
DH: But UN involvement would still require legislative approval.
RB: Yes, but your still thinking normal – in normal terms. Stop thinking about a normal situation. The country is divided, which is exactly where Obama wants us to be. We are as ideologically divided as we were during the Civil War and that rift is growing every day. Add in a crisis – and economic crisis – where ATM and EBT cards will stop working. Where bank accounts will contain nothing but air. They are anticipating a revolution and a civil war rolled into one (emphasis added by this author).
Imagine when talk show hosts or Bloggers or some other malcontent gets on the air or starts writing about the injustice of it all, and about how Obama is the anti-Christ or something. They will outlaw such talk or writing as inciting the situation – they will make it illegal by saying that it is causing people to die. The Republicans will go along with everything as it’s – we have – a one party system. Two parties is an illusion. It’s all so surreal to talk about but you see where this is headed, right?
DH: Well, what about the lists?
RB: Back to that again, okay. Why do you think the NSA has surveillance of all communications? To identify and stop terrorism? Okay, to be fair, that is part of it, but not the main reason. The federal agencies have identified people who present a danger to them and their agendas. I don’t know if they are color coded like you mentioned, red blue purple or peach mango or whatever, but they exist. In fact, each agency has their own. You know, why is it so [deleted] hard for people to get their heads around the existence of lists with names of people who pose a threat to their plans? The media made a big deal about Nixon’s enemies list and everyone nodded and said yeah, that [deleted], but today? They’ve been around for years and years.
DH: I think it’s because of the nature of the lists today. What do they plan to do with their enemies?
RB: Go back to what Ayers said when, in the late 60′s? 70′s? I forget. Anyway, he was serious. But to some extent, the same thing that happened before. They – the people on some of these lists – are under surveillance, or at least some, and when necessary, some are approached and made an offer. Others, well, they can be made to undergo certain training. Let’s call it sensitivity training, except on a much different level. Others, most that are the most visible and mainstream are safe for the most part. And do you want to know why? It’s because they are in the pockets of the very people we are talking about, but they might or might not know it. Corporate sponsorship – follow the money. You know the drill. You saw it happen before, with the birth certificate.
It’s people that are just under the national radar but are effective. They have to worry. Those who have been publicly marginalized already but continue to talk or write or post, they are in trouble. It’s people who won’t sell out, who think that they can make a difference. Those are the people who have to worry.
Think about recent deaths that everybody believes were natural or suicides. Were they? People are too busy working their [butts] off to put food on the table to give a damn about some guy somewhere who vapor locks because of too many doughnuts and coffee and late nights. And it seems plausible enough to happen. This time, when everything collapses, do you think they will care if it is a bullet or a heart attack that takes out the opposition? [Deleted] no.
DH: That’s disturbing. Do you… [interrupts]
RB: Think about the Oklahoma City bombing in ’95. Remember how Clinton blamed that on talk radio, or at least in part. Take what happened then and put it in context of today. Then multiply the damnation by 100, and you will begin to understand where this is going. People like Rush and Hannity have a narrow focus of political theater. They’ll still be up and running during all of this to allow for the appearance of normal. Stay within the script, comrade.
But as far as the others, they have certain plans. And these plans are becoming more transparent. They are getting bolder. They are pushing lies, and the bigger the lie, the easier it is to sell to the people. They will even try to sell a sense of normalcy as things go absolutely crazy and break down. It will be surreal. And some will believe it, think that it’s only happening in certain places, and we can draw everything back once the dust settles. But when it does, this place will not be the same.
DH: Will there be resistance within the ranks of law enforcement? You know, will some say they won’t go along with the plan, like the Oath Keepers?
RB: Absolutely. But they will not only be outnumbered, but outgunned – literally. The whole objective is to bring in outside forces to deal with the civil unrest that will happen in America. And where does their allegiance lie? Certainly not to Sheriff Bob. Or you or me.
During all of this, and you’ve got to remember that the dollar collapse is a big part of this, our country is going to have to be redone. I’ve seen – personally – a map of North America without borders. Done this year. The number 2015 was written across the top, and I believe that was meant as a year. Along with this map – in the same area where this was – was another map showing the United States cut up into sectors. I’m not talking about what people have seen on the internet, but something entirely different. Zones. And a big star on the city of Denver.
Sound like conspiracy stuff on the Internet? Yup. But maybe they were right. It sure looks that way. It will read that way if you decide to write about this. Good luck with that. Anyway, the country seemed to be split into sectors, but not the kind shown on the internet. Different.
DH: What is the context of that?
RB: Across the bottom of this was written economic sectors. It looked like a work in progress, so I can’t tell you any more than that. From the context I think it has to do with the collapse of the dollar.
DH: Why would DHS have this? I mean, it seems almost contrived, doesn’t it?
RB: Not really, when you consider the bigger picture. But wait before we go off into that part. I need to tell you about Obamacare, you know, the new health care coming up. It plays a big part – a huge [deleted] part in the immediate reshaping of things.
DH: How so?
RB: It creates a mechanism of centralized control over people. That’s the intent of this monster of a bill, not affordable health care. And it will be used to identify gun owners. Think your health records are private? Have you been to the doctor lately? Asked about owning a gun? Why do you think they ask, do you think they care about your safety? Say yes to owning a gun and your information is shared with another agency, and ultimately, you will be identified as a security risk. The records will be matched with other agencies.
You think that they are simply relying on gun registration forms? This is part of data collection that people don’t get. Oh, and don’t even think about getting a script for some mood enhancement drug and being able to own a gun.
Ayers and Dohrn are having the times of their lives seeing things they’ve worked for all of their adult lives actually coming to pass. Oh, before I forget, look at the recent White House visitor logs.
DH: Why? Where did that come from?
RB: Unless they are redacted, you will see the influence of Ayers. Right now. The Weather Underground has been reborn. So has their agenda.
DH: Eugenics? Population control?
RB: Yup. And re-education camps. But trust me, you write about this, you’ll be called a kook. It’s up to you, it’s your reputation, not mine. And speaking about that, you do know that this crew is using the internet to ruin people, right? They are paying people to infiltrate discussion sites and forums to call people like you idiots. Show me the proof they say. Why doesn’t you source come forward? If he knows so much, why not go to Fox or the media? To them, if it’s not broadcast on CNN, it’s not real. Well, they’ve got it backwards. Very little on the news is real. The stock market, the economy, the last presidential polls, very little is real.
But this crew is really internet savvy. They’ve got a lot of people they pay to divert issues on forums, to mock people, to marginalize them. They know what they’re doing. People think they’ll take sites down – hack them. Why do that when they are more effective to infiltrate the discussion? Think about the birth certificate, I mean the eligibility problem of Obama. Perfect example.
DH: How soon do you see things taking place?
RB: They already are in motion. If you’re looking for a date I can’t tell you. Remember, the objectives are the same, but plans, well, they adapt. They exploit. Watch how this fiscal cliff thing plays out. This is the run-up to the next beg economic event.
I can’t give you a date. I can tell you to watch things this spring. Start with the inauguration and go from there. Watch the metals, when they dip. It will be a good indication that things are about to happen. I got that little tidbit from my friend at [REDACTED].
NOTE: At this point, my contact asked me to reserve further disclosures until after the inauguration.
Hollow man says:
Yes, but what can you do?
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27th December 2012 at 8:30 pm
Hollow man says:
Read the latest from John Williams. This stuff is getting scarey.
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27th December 2012 at 9:07 pm
AWD says:
I wish I hadn’t read both of those post, oops, too late. Is it too late to run for Mexico or Canada?
That is some truly frightening shit. Somewhere in my consciousness I can feel them making these plans, these outcomes actually happening. The election was a sham, and the elites will do anything to see there plans put into action. I fear for people living in or around cities. The collapse is coming, a deaf, dumb and blind person can see it a mile away. Civil war, class war, race war, take your pick. It’s about to get seriously fucked up in the next few months. And we’re all “under the radar” bloggers, all outspoken, I wonder how many lists I’m on. I especially love the part about Obamacare being an edict of our demise. No shit.
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27th December 2012 at 9:14 pm
todd says:
I feel as if I just changed to a different color list for having read this.
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27th December 2012 at 9:26 pm
Makati1 says:
When Obama was ‘reelected’, I knew the shit was about to hit the fan big time. He doesn’t have to worry about being reelected and is free to do what he wants with no repercussions. Executive orders will fly out of DC like a snow blizzard. There may never be another ‘election’ in the US.
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27th December 2012 at 11:16 pm
michaelj007 says:
I’m moving to the sector that Newt Gingrich will rule! If some Lord of the Flies shit goes down I want him to be my Piggy. But seriously, the TSA!?! c’mon! I don’t see how they would be operationally significant other than locking down the airports via heavy petting.
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27th December 2012 at 11:18 pm
prtrb'd says:
hollow man- what can you do?
get set up so you can take as many as you can before you go. we all gotta go some time, make it worth while. there’s more of us than them, it’s a numbers game. or would you rather die in some stupid hospital bed? 2015 for the collapse to start? hmm, maybe sooner. maybe the economic collapse takes a couple years to really develop, before people are ready to be herded into zones. I’m betting we’ll start getting serious 2013.
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27th December 2012 at 11:22 pm
IndenturedServant says:
I’m callin’ bullshit! First Mr. Insider says guns are going to be confiscated. After stating this several times in various ways, he adds that you won’t be allowed to own a gun if you take any mood enhancement drugs. Are they going to confiscate the fucking things or not? A few minutes spent searching on Douglas J Hagman times him to Coast to Coast AM, InfoWars and several other organizations of ill repute.
I’m not saying any of this won’t come to pass. Sooner or later every whack job opinion or conspiracy will likely come to pass. Unless someone is willing to man up and put his name (first person) to drivel like this, it serves absolutely no purpose. Ask yourself what new information you have after reading this that you did not have before reading it?
Pfffft!
I_S
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27th December 2012 at 11:45 pm
Novista says:
There are so many aspects of this that we have thought about and discussed. When you think about all the lies and myths we were taught in school, and now know better, it’s impossible to say such a scenario could not happen.
Btw, Robert Higgs has a speech that FDR never got to give Congress because events moved faster that he expected.
http://blog.independent.org/2012/12/22/a-december-1941-speech-that-fdr-never-delivered/
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27th December 2012 at 12:02 am
marissa says:
How long can we be subjected to such abuse before we find refuge elsewhere?
I give you this,
tempo di valse by Anton Dvorak
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=disqzLW1QJA
Spiritual refuge can save you. The soul speaks louder than the gun. Find something you believe in and go there.
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27th December 2012 at 5:40 am
youcanthavemyglock says:
While it certainly makes for a depressing read this 2 part interview doesn’t really worry me. Politicians and banksters think they are SO smart and can plan out stuff months and years ahead and then execute it smoothly but in reality most of them are power hungry midget retards like Bloomberg who couldn’t tie their own shoes.
Even if half of what this DHS guy said is true it will not go well and will most certainly blow up in our masters’ faces. The empire is broke, period, we have troops and military equipment all over the World, economy is hanging by a thread, there’s no money to sustain all these FEMA camps, gas to power DHS tanks and jet fuel to fly drones all over America.
At least 1/3 of law enforcement and military will not follow these ridiculous genocide orders against American people, not to mention we have a LOT of armed and highly trained war veterans/retirees who will not allow some government douche-bag come to his house for his AR-15. I know it because I read gun forums. This country will collapse under its weight and will crush all DC criminals who think they are so smart and can avoid it.
Napoleon thought he could conquer Russia, Hitler thought he could fight war on both fronts, sent his best troops to far East Russia just to lose them all when his food supply ran dry and oil in the tanks froze. Soviet Union could only keep the boot on people’s throat for so long before they realized in late 70′s economy was collapsing, spent all of the 1980′s to avoid it before USSR dismembered on its own.
Obama may have bought 4 more years of partying but the reckoning day will come soon enough.
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27th December 2012 at 11:49 am
JIMSKI says:
Reads like bad science fiction. Tin foil hat time.
First of all the possibility that ANY government could pull off a plan like this is laughable. They can not build a bridge or a road on budget and yet this huge plan to subvert the constitution and take over-break up the USA has been kept completely quiet cept for one bold guy willing to spill the beans.
I believe IS has already said it best. I call bullshit too.
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27th December 2012 at 12:41 pm
Persnickety says:
Put me in the BS crowd as well. There’s lots of nasty and worrisome stuff going on, but this is too big a grand conspiracy. IS and Glock say it well. The evil midgets could probably keep the DC-NYC corridor with luck and brutality. Holding the whole nation in this sort of plan is not plausible.
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27th December 2012 at 12:44 pm
Ron says:
The idea of the markets crashing and the banks shutting down.Then having riots wich the people well scream for help from.Dosent sound so far fetched.The rest however?
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27th December 2012 at 3:28 pm
bwftex says:
Sounds like DHS insider horseshit in detail. But whats really new? in general we all know the overall government agenda is to control most everything or that’s it’s at least fucked up in someway. We know that part of the general plan is enriching and protecting a few and that the police state development is well underway.
We already have unending war and a continuous stream of bad guys to strike fear into the public heart. We already have a President that can sign off on the death of anyone he considers a threat and the death of hundreds of innocents to get those bad guys is of no matter at all. We’ve already had wicked murdering monsters running the nation since 2000. Half the nation is in poverty, jobless or on government assistance of one form or another. I’d say we live in an America that’s already so fucked up that it’s not really America anymore. Folks the Doom has already arrived.
By the end of 2013 we will be grumbling about the same basic shit with a few more actions taken by the government to curtail liberty that undermine the constitution. Fewer people will have jobs or more will have jobs at rock bottom pay with less than full time hours. What ever the case the official numbers will be manipulated bullshit.
More people will be on welfare and food stamps, the dollar will buy less, businesses will continue to fold up shop or downsize. The stock market will do strange things manipulated up and down by front running computer programs, the fed will grind out endless QE, the housing market will decline some more but be proven as recovering,
People will move more and more into polarized camps. In addition to Obama phones we might see some Obama Pads and Obama Laptops maybe even Air Obama Athletic Shoes . It will be the same old shit but the pile will be bigger and stink more and most everyone will just get accustomed to the stench and watch Reality TV.
The TSA will feel up even more people in more venues, the DHS in general will become more oppressive and the government more intrusive.
But things develop and take time. Our politicians and bureaucrats are fuckwads and sell outs but the truly demonic and evil force that they have submitted to weather they know it or not is the Bankers and the Fed. If we knew what the Bankers step by step agenda is we would know much better what the real plan is. We don’t know what the various elite power groups that run various portions of the world are planning exactly but we do know that nothing that takes significant money or bails of bogus paper cash can be done with out banker blessings. The PTB who run the world are nothing without the authority and hidden hand of the bankers.
While I joke about FEMA camp a lot I’ll bet most of us here don’t even rate as much more than crabby disillusioned workers even if we own a business who will keep working and paying more tax. We are a very small minority and peripheral to the agenda of almost everyone. We pose no great threat to anyone even if we own guns unless they brake into our house..
The time to go to all out war with these fuckers is right now, yesterday was even better. But not one of us or anyone else is going to do that. The only people shooting will be sicko’s blasting innocent people, creating the mood and reasoning to disarm everyone as much as possible with out too much damaging blow back from the public. If any group go’s to a shooting war it will be some far right bunch of neo-Nazis or something who were probably infiltrated and set up by the FBI to mind fuck the public with MSM hyped hysteria and outrage.
It’s a long slow grind. And when it blows up it will not be an enlightening, a revolution or a reformation or a reordering. No one will save the day for the people or the government as things will go full out Mad Max Crazy.
We are doomed.
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27th December 2012 at 12:47 am
stalker says:
you are free. believing in stuff like this will lock up your mind faster than physical incarceration. the real tyranny is based on mind control and mindfuck prognosticators that keep the populace in a constant state of panic. the same happens when a child is cyber-bullied and choses to commit suicide rather than live in fear. but why live in fear? let us do what the jews did when the storm troopers came to knock down doors, they left the doors open so they were not cooperating with the nazi script.
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27th December 2012 at 3:08 pm