U.S. Government Claims – Just Like the Nazis – that the Truth Is Too Complicated and Dangerous to Disclose to the Public
Submitted by George Washington
In the classic history of Nazi Germany, “They Thought They Were Free”, Milton Mayer writes:
“What happened here was the gradual habituation of the people, little by little, to being governed by surprise; to receiving decisions deliberated in secret; to believing that the situation was so complicated that the government had to act on information which the people could not understand, or so dangerous that, even if the people could not understand it, it could not be released because of national security. And their sense of identification with Hitler (and Obama), their trust in him, made it easier to widen this gap and reassured those who would otherwise have worried about it.
“This separation of government from people, this widening of the gap, took place so gradually and so insensibly, each step disguised (perhaps not even intentionally) as a temporary emergency measure or associated with true patriotic allegiance or with real social purposes. And all the crises and reforms (real reforms, too) so occupied the people that they did not see the slow motion underneath, of the whole process of government growing remoter and remoter.
Similarly, America has – little by little – gone from a nation of laws to a nation of powerful men making laws in secret. Indeed, even Congress doesn’t know half of what others are doing.
Secretive, unaccountable agencies are making life and death decisions which effect our most basic rights. They provide “secret evidence” to courts which cannot be checked … and often withhold any such “evidence” even from the judges. For example:
“I find myself stuck in a paradoxical situation in which I cannot solve a problem because of contradictory constraints and rules — a veritable Catch-22,” the judge wrote. “I can find no way around the thicket of laws and precedents that effectively allow the Executive Branch of our Government to proclaim as perfectly lawful certain actions that seem on their face incompatible with our Constitution and laws, while keeping the reasons for their conclusion a secret.”
The government uses “secret evidence” to spy on Americans, prosecute leaking or terrorism charges (even against U.S. soldiers) and even assassinate people.
And the government goes after whistleblowers … and reporters who say too much.
U.S. government spokesmen pretend – just as the Nazis – that:
The situation is so complicated that the government has to act on information which the people could not understand
It is so dangerous that, even if the people could not understand it, it could not be released because of national security
As FireDogLake notes:
Like the iron fist of the Nazis … Americans must submit to “roving surveillance” and warrantless searches, without the requirement of a Judge’s authorization. Surveillance laws are part of a larger arsenal of weapons against political dissidents and whistle blowers.
Most Americans don’t know the Patriot Act authorizes secret charges relying on secret evidence and secret grand jury statements. Under the Patriot Act, Americans have no right to know who has accused them of what criminal activities, or the dates of the alleged offense.
They’re not even told what law was broken. The government has power to lock up Americans on military bases or other prisons without a hearing or trial. We can be detained indefinitely without any rights of due process at all.
All of this happened in Germany – as in America today – because the governments whipped up so much fear of attack by demonizing the enemy and declaring an open-ended war that people became complacent and stopped thinking for themselves.
As Mayer notes about Nazi Germany, people were too apathetic or scared to stand up for others:
Pastor Niemöller spoke for the thousands and thousands of men like me when he spoke (too modestly of himself) and said that, when the Nazis attacked the Communists, he was a little uneasy, but, after all, he was not a Communist, and so he did nothing; and then they attacked the Socialists, and he was a little uneasier, but, still, he was not a Socialist, and he did nothing; and then the schools, the press, the Jews, and so on, and he was always uneasier, but still he did nothing. And then they attacked the Church, and he was a Churchman, and he did something—but then it was too late.”
The same is true in modern America.
Mayer points out:
“You see,” my colleague went on, “one doesn’t see exactly where or how to move. Believe me, this is true. Each act, each occasion, is worse than the last, but only a little worse. You wait for the next and the next. You wait for one great shocking occasion, thinking that others, when such a shock comes, will join with you in resisting somehow. You don’t want to act, or even talk, alone; you don’t want to ‘go out of your way to make trouble.’ Why not?—Well, you are not in the habit of doing it. And it is not just fear, fear of standing alone, that restrains you; it is also genuine uncertainty.
“But the one great shocking occasion, when tens or hundreds or thousands will join with you, never comes. That’s the difficulty. If the last and worst act of the whole regime had come immediately after the first and smallest, thousands, yes, millions would have been sufficiently shocked—if, let us say, the gassing of the Jews in ’43 had come immediately after the ‘German Firm’ stickers on the windows of non-Jewish shops in ’33. But of course this isn’t the way it happens. In between come all the hundreds of little steps, some of them imperceptible, each of them preparing you not to be shocked by the next. Step C is not so much worse than Step B, and, if you did not make a stand at Step B, why should you at Step C? And so on to Step D.
The same is happening to Americans today. Indeed, the American government appears to be following the Nazi playbook. The U.S. government – like the SS – may label anyone who disagrees with government policy as crazy or a potential terrorist … and is claiming more tyrannical powers that even Hitler claimed.
If you think we’re exaggerating, just listen to what the prosecutors who convicted the Nazis of war crimes say …
Benjamin Ferencz – a former chief prosecutor for the Nuremberg Trials against the Nazis – declared:
A prima facie case can be made that the United States is guilty of the supreme crime against humanity — that being an illegal war of aggression against a sovereign nation.
In addition, he said:
[A Nuremberg defendant said that he didn't feel bad for killing children and other innocent people] “because we relied on the head of state, Hitler. He had more information than I had, and he told us that the Soviets planned to attack, so it was necessary in presumed self-defense.”
It’s very disappointing to find that my government today is prepared to do something for which we hanged Germans as war criminals.
Another Nuremberg prosecutor, Henry King, Jr., said that the Guantanamo trials violate the Nuremberg principles and Geneva Convention.
Allowing medical experimentation on prisoners certainly violates the Nuremberg principles. And leading constitutional law expert Jonathan Turley notes that the government is violating the Nuremberg principles by failing to punish those who created our recent policy of torture.
Note 1: Fascism also happened in Nazi Germany because the taxpayers became responsible for the debts of big corporations, and the corporate sector and authoritarian government worked hand-in-glove. The same is happening in the U.S. right now.
Note 2: For Dems who assume that things improved after Bush, please note that a former Obama security adviser says that Obama is as “ruthless and indifferent to rule of law” as Bush. And see this.
http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2013-01-15/us-government-claims-%E2%80%93-just-nazis-%E2%80%93-truth-too-complicated-and-dangerous-discl
Eddie says:
I wish I could call BS on this but I can’t. The parallels are obvious…and shocking.
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15th January 2013 at 3:23 pm
napari says:
ditto what Eddie said….
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15th January 2013 at 3:41 pm
Olga says:
The sheeple’s illusion of freedom and civil rights is all that really matters – the deception is far-reaching and the power of the media is proven – people believe whatever the TV tells them.
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15th January 2013 at 3:56 pm
youcanthavemyglock says:
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15th January 2013 at 4:09 pm
AWD says:
Things have changed.
Politicians used to care what “the people” thought and wanted, because it mattered. Not anymore.
Politicians used to care about upholding their oath to protect the Constitution and Bill of Rights, because that is what our country was founded on, and what/who gave them their job. Not anymore, the Constitution is being breached and ignored, and has no meaning anymore.
Politicians have become entities unto themselves, devoid of morals, ethics, principles, or the need to explain anything they do. The MSM cosigns their lies and bullshit, and censures any dissent. The population is imprisoned by debt and fear. The modern day fascists have just began to seize power, and hundreds more presidential decrees are coming. The antidote has been wiped away, it’s gone. End of story, they can now do whatever they want, and they will.
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15th January 2013 at 4:26 pm
baatman74 says:
We The People still have the upper-hand, let’s have a movement toward 2014 to prove it! VOTE! Right now, TODAY, get a pad and pen and track every representative in YOUR district, if they are not upholding the Constitution, VOTE against them in 2014… Folks, that’s only just over a year and a half from RIGHT now! We can change everything in 2014, but to do so, there must be MORE working/retired folks to outnumber ObamaSama’s Welfare and foodstamp troop!! Vot for the rep who promises to REPEAL ObamaScare; and the person who will vote to cut the pork-spending-high wages and high staff members for elected officials. Hell, we could save a $Trillion by cutting the bloated assistants in washington! Anyway, you get the point, let’s see who can do it!!
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15th January 2013 at 4:44 pm
Oscar Mannheim says:
There’s ” a rat” in “separation”, as my fourth grade teacher explained. And there are many rats in government: many. All of you up there are about to find that out big time, I fear. Look what Cuomo & Co did today. No one will rebel. Just imagine Jimmy the K and the upstate NYers rising up as a proud people to overthrow the tyrants who wish to suppress liberty and Constitutional rights! Sure, tie the governor to a chair and make him listen to “Alice´s Restaurant” and “This Land Is My Land” over and over again, but even that waterboarding equivalent won’t work to restore what’s being taken.
I live in a place where most of that’s been done, where things worsen every day, but where someone who lives rural and is moderately self-sufficient can survive by maintaining a very low profile. The day that becomes no longer true, it’ll be time to fight, and that means no holds barred, so to speak. I can’t see that happening in the USA. Maybe I’m wrong: I sure would like to be convinced.
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15th January 2013 at 5:21 pm
Oscar Mannheim says:
Voting and politics as usual: Cross yourself and face the wall, ’cause dreams will help you not at all.
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15th January 2013 at 5:39 pm
Oscar Mannheim says:
” In between come all the hundreds of little steps, some of them imperceptible, each of them preparing you not to be shocked by the next. Step C is not so much worse than Step B, and, if you did not make a stand at Step B, why should you at Step C? And so on to Step D.”
The Hegelian dialectic in action, as perfected by the Frankfurt School, but it ain’t just fascist, it’s communist, but when all is said and done, it comes out just the same for the lumpen-chumps who are victimized. Do yourself a favor and do a quick victim-check in the mirror. See one there? Well…
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15th January 2013 at 5:49 pm
Anonymous says:
baatman74 says: We The People still have the upper-hand, let’s have a movement toward 2014 to prove it! VOTE! Right now, TODAY, get a pad and pen and track every representative in YOUR district, if they are not upholding the Constitution, VOTE against them in 2014…
yawn…what a fucking maroon…every-time with the same tired ole’ bullshit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igbBItLemsM
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15th January 2013 at 6:25 pm
flash says:
or maybe a new start with a valid contract signed by all who consent …yeah it’s long…
The New FRONA Model of Governance
Posted on January 11, 2013 by RussLongcore
By Russell D. Longcore
(Editor’s Note: This is an update of an article that ran at LewRockwell.com in October 2009. It is now custom crafted for The Free Republic Of North America.)
The US Constitution is a dead document. It has been dead nearly from its inception. It is neither contract nor treaty, either of which would give it the force of law. It does not, and cannot bind any two persons to each other, nor can it bind any person to the rogue government called “The United States of America” that is the occupying force in Washington DC.
In this article, I will prove that the Constitution is without authority and that the subject of secession related to the Constitution is entirely irrelevant, and that any states need not concern themselves with the constitutionality of secession.
When you are able to wrap your mind around this truth, it may cause you some consternation. This means that all of the things that you learned about the US Constitution in elementary school, high school government class, college and any information you’ve learned since you became an adult…IS WRONG. If you went to law school and took Constitutional Law classes, they lied to you.
Please don’t misunderstand. I’m not saying that all of the debates that are made about the details of the Constitution are in error. We can all spend our days arguing about the articles and clauses and their meanings. But if the US Constitution is dead, and cannot bind anyone to it, arguing about the merits of constitutionality of any government action is simply an exercise in re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.
A constitution, or any document organizing a government, must have authority and validity. But the US Constitution has no inherent authority or validity and has never had either. If we can learn what the US Constitution is and what it is not, we can understand the flaws in the old constitution and then craft a new constitution for any seceding state with authority and validity.
I believe that one of the major reasons that Washington is able to operate as it does, outside the strictures of the Constitution, is because those persons in power know that the Constitution is not legally enforceable. Absent a restraining legal document coupled with principals that have the power to enforce the terms of the document, the DC criminals do exactly what they wish and what they can get away with.
The US Constitution has the following words in its Preamble, showing the intent of the Framers:
We, the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the united States of America.
The Founder’s sentiments seek to secure blessings to themselves and their posterity, meaning future generation of citizens. But a loose agreement cannot by law or reason bind any future person to its details. Contracts cannot obligate persons who will live in the future, either. They can only obligate persons who are living presently and who sign and receive the contract.
Even though the old constitution wishes to bestow blessings and liberty on their posterity, it has no power whatsoever to achieve this goal. Further, it never showed any intention toward future generations other than to offer useful recommendations to their posterity toward the blessings of liberty. If they were in some way able to bind future generations to the Constitution, they would not have bestowed liberty but slavery upon their posterity, since their children would be bound to it from birth, like it or not.
So what exactly is this Constitution?
I think it could only be called a “loose agreement” between certain people at the time that it was written and ratified. It is not a treaty ratified between sovereign states, which would have the weight of law. It cannot be considered a legal contract, since legal contracts have characteristics that the old constitution does not have.
It was ratified by votes in the several states. But ratification in any form didn’t turn it into a legal document with enforceability and authority.
The US Constitution is not a legal contract. The Constitution never bound any two or more parties in a legal way, nor did it ever purport to bind anyone. A timeless principle in contract law is that the contract is not valid until the contract is signed by all the parties and delivered to the parties, or the representative of any signatory party. Any party may refuse to sign or deliver a written instrument and thus invalidate the contract. The US Constitution was not signed by anyone or anyone’s legal representative. It was not delivered to anyone or to their representative. No one in the USA, either alive or dead, has ever signed the Constitution as a legal contract between parties. So how could it be a legal document with binding authority or validity?
Contracts are also voluntary. The parties come together for a purpose, but are free to dissolve the contract based upon the terms of the contract. Even if they leave contrary to the contract terms, there may be consequences, but they can still leave.
Abraham Lincoln’s position was that, once in the Union, no state can ever leave. And if the US Constitution was an enforceable contract between parties, his position would have been rejected instantly and laughed out of any court in the land. But in light of the unenforceable nature of the Constitution, Lincoln was free to do what he pleased as it related to the Confederate States of America and war. But the Confederate states were also right to secede from a Union that could not bind them. Constitutionality was irrelevant then, just as it is today.
The Constitution is not a perpetual corporation. The perpetuity of a corporation would require that new members voluntarily assent to its laws and by-laws as old members die off. New members must accept in writing because without their legal signatures, they would not be members and could not vote on corporate issues. There is no evidence whatsoever that the Framers intended the US Constitution to be a corporation’s organizational document…at least not a corporation in the strictest sense.
“The United States of America” is the name given in the US Constitution to the organization that the states created. Compare the work of the Founders to a group of thirteen property owners that need a management company to manage their properties. So, they created a management company and gave it specific tasks and responsibilities. The property owners retained to themselves all other powers not specifically delegated to the management company. They also did not transfer ownership of their properties to the manager. The owners remained the sovereign principals, controlling the manager. But there is NOT ONE WORD in the US Constitution that purports to create a new nation. Look for yourself.
So we can see that the Constitution is not a contract. It binds no one, and never did bind any persons. We see that all those who pretend to operate under its perceived authority act without any legal and legitimate authority.
But we voted and elected these Representatives and Senators. They are our duly elected officials, aren’t they?
Are our elected representatives our personal agents with legal authority to bind each of us individually and collectively? No they are not. In order for you to have a legal representative, you must sign your name to a document that gives the representative the power to act in your behalf. This document is commonly known as a “power of attorney.” You must also deliver the document to the agent.
People regularly sign a “power of attorney” for health care decisions and other legal matters. But what would you do if a stranger went to your doctor and usurped your wishes for your medical treatment, stating that he had your power of attorney? Any reasonable person would require the stranger to produce a written document bearing your signature prior to any changes of treatment. How much more should there be a written power of attorney for the DC stranger who plunders your income and steals your liberty?
Did you ever sign a power of attorney so that any elected officeholder could make binding decisions on your behalf? Did you authorize any person to obligate you to laws, regulations or the payment of taxes to any governmental body? I know that I have not done so. Neither have you.
And the secret ballot makes the concept of any elected representative acting as your agent even more ridiculous. How could secret voters hire an agent? How could secret voters enter into a power of attorney agreement?
So we see that those persons acting as our elected representatives are acting unlawfully, and that we have both the right and duty to treat them as charlatans and frauds.
Then upon what authority does the Federal Government operate? Who gave them the authority to enact laws, tax, confiscate men’s property and kill other men who resist their machinations?
You could say that voters select their representatives by secret ballot, and so bestow authority upon them. But in matter of law and reason, this is not true. It would not be upheld in a court of common law. If you and three of your friends voted in favor of a proposal in which a fourth friend would take it upon himself to deprive me of my property or my life, he would be a robber and/or a murderer. If he presented himself at my door to do his work, he would be unable to produce any legal authority to complete his task. Absent legal authority, I should treat him as a common criminal and resist his efforts even unto deadly force.
In a courtroom, a judge would ask to see your representative’s written authority to act in your behalf. You would be unable to produce such written authority.
So voting is neither a contract nor a power of attorney. And secret ballots should never be considered legally binding, since no signed contract between parties ever existed. Further, if voters authorize another person to act as their agent, they should do so in an open manner so to accept responsibility for the agent’s acts. That’s called “liability,” and that’s what happens out here in “the real world.” But the US Constitution, in Article I, Sec. 6, states that “for any speech or debate (or vote) in either house, they (Senators or Representatives) shall not be questioned in any other place.” So your agent cannot be held responsible for any laws they make…and neither can you. So, if no one is responsible, who is responsible?
NO ONE.
And let’s return to the subject of legal authority. The Constitution has no legal authority to bind any two or more persons. If it did, you would possess a copy upon which you would find your own signature and at least one other person’s signature. But that document does not exist in any form and has not existed in over 235 years. So, absent that authority, voting is only theater. It is an exercise that makes the citizen feel that he is participating in a legitimate government.
The Federal Government in Washington has been illegitimate from its origin. There is no enforceable law or principal possessing superior force to restrain it from any act. Certainly none of the States have the authority or collective will to restrain Washington from its actions. It was only the morality and ethics of the earliest founders that restrained them from tyranny. Unfortunately for Americans, that morality and ethical restraint are a quaint, distant memory.
OK. Convinced that the old Constitution is a cruel joke? Then, how can the new constitution be crafted to guarantee legitimacy and legality? If the framers of the new constitution write one like the old one, it will suffer the same illegitimacy issues as the old one.
Here are suggestions on how to write a new Constitution for a seceding State that wants to become a new sovereign nation.
The New FRONA Corporate Style of Governance
I have created a sovereign new nation in the style of a corporation. I have named it “The Free Republic Of North America” aka FRONA. The Constitution, hereafter known as the “Charter,” can be its laws and by-laws. Each person will be given the option to subscribe to FRONA and become a citizen. That person would have to be presented with a copy of the Charter. Each person would have the choice to accept the Charter in writing. This would be considered a Contract of Adhesion, since the prospective citizen could not negotiate its terms, but could only either accept or reject it. Once accepted, each citizen would be, in essence, a shareholder in the corporation, since a person could not be a citizen/shareholder without signed consent. Each citizen would pay one once of .999 purity silver and would be issued one share of common stock with one vote. No citizen could buy or own more than one share of common stock. That would also mean that those rejecting the Charter could not be citizens of FRONA and would be considered Resident Aliens. Minors could not become citizens until they were of legal age to enter into a contract, usually eighteen years of age. In FRONA, no person is automatically granted citizenship at birth.
FRONA might also issue preferred stock. The shareholder/citizens could actually invest their own money in preferred stock. This would provide the new nation with capital. Shareholders holding preferred stock might receive dividends if FRONA makes a profit. The Charter would have to be drafted so that no one person or group of persons could accumulate, own or control enough stock to overthrow the corporation.
FRONA would also be able to issue debentures and corporate bonds, but only upon a vote by the shareholders.
As the corporate structure would be a closely-held private corporation, the Charter could specify that the stock could not be resold to non-citizens. Only FRONA would be eligible to buy back the stock for one ounce of .999 silver to be reissued to new citizen/investors.
The founders of FRONA would have the right to present the offer of citizenship to anyone anywhere on the planet. They could cherry pick the world for the best and brightest talent! It would be an important component of immigration policy.
Voting could be done by proxy (power of attorney), and the citizen could designate a representative as his proxy in writing. Or he himself could vote on any issue. This creates a hybrid between direct democracy and representative republic.
Think this is unworkable? The largest corporations on the planet have been running this way for hundreds of years. GM (pre-nationization), Exxon, Standard Oil, all of the Dow Jones top 30…they all work this way just fine. Many have millions of shareholders, just like FRONA would have. In fact, Sweden’s Stora Kopparberg was incorporated by King Magnus Eriksson in 1347 and still operates today.
FRONA Monetary Policy
The new Charter will have an article about monetary policy. This article will authorize the private minting of gold and silver coins, and will mandate that coins only show their purity and weight, not any monetary value.
Banking, Entity Structure and Privacy
The new Charter will contain an article about banking. Specifically, Fractional Reserve Banking will be prohibited. In addition, strict protections of privacy must be enacted, shielding citizens from the tax laws of other nations.
The new Charter will contain laws that prevent tax treaties with other nations, thereby protecting FRONA citizens from predatory taxation by other governmental jurisdictions. Statutes must also protect the privacy of business entities such as corporations.
Taxation
The sole method of taxation that is at once most restrictive to government yet least confiscatory to individuals is the sales tax. FRONA will establish the sales tax as the sole source of government revenue. There will certainly be types of transactions that are exempt from taxes, just like the exemptions you enjoy today in the state in which you live. For example, if you buy my used washing machine, you don’t pay a sales tax. No voluminous tax code also means that ALL tax deductions go down the memory hole, never again to see the light of day.
Common Law
The FRONA Charter will establish a Judicial Branch for both Civil and Criminal law. And Contract Law is sacrosanct in FRONA. The Charter will establish a Civil court system for most Civil law, paid for by those who use the Court. But FRONA will not adopt the body of precedent found in the USA. FRONA courts start from scratch to develop stare decisis,” or precedent. But a major departure from US criminal law will be the concept of a criminal paying his “Debt To Society.” If a criminal commits a property crime, he must make restitution to the victim. If he commits a crime of negligence, he must pay damages. If the criminal commits a capital crime, he can be remanded to national penal custody but still owes the victim’s family monetary restitution.
The Militia
FRONA will organize, train and equip a citizen militia, comprised of every able-bodied man and woman between the ages of 18 and 55. As the well-regulated militia is necessary to the security of a free State, the Unalienable Right of The People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. Following the Swiss model of militia organization, each member of the Militia will be issued a fully automatic battle rifle and 1,000 rounds of ammunition. Each militia member will be required to keep that battle rifle and ammo secure in their home, and will be required to insure the rifle in case of damage or theft. Each member of the militia will be required to be proficient with the rifle, even those members who, because of infirmity or disability, cannot perform as field soldiers.
In FRONA, there will be NO restrictions whatsoever in the Charter regarding gun law as it relates to the various weaponry that any FRONA citizen may legally own. Any citizen may keep and bear arms anywhere within the national boundaries of FRONA at any time without registration or licensure.
Conclusion
If the new Charter of FRONA only had those articles about monetary policy, banking, taxation, common law and militia, that would be sufficient to form a core government and bring FRONA to life. Because the power of the purse and the power of the sword make all else possible. There are many details that must be worked out that are not listed in this article. But this article was not written to form a new government TODAY. It was written to get you thinking about constitutions and how they directly affect YOU.
Thomas Jefferson’s shining jewel, the Declaration of Independence, states that when a government shows a long train of abuses meant to reduce the people under absolute despotism, it is the people’s right and duty to throw off such government and provide new guards for their future security. State Incorporated could be that new guard that secures the future of a new nation.
FRONA. A new model for governance on the North American continent. An idea whose time is come.
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© Copyright 2013, Russell D. Longcore. All rights reserved. Permission to reprint in whole or in part is gladly granted, provided full credit is given.
For a wider analysis of this constitutional issue, read “No Treason, The Constitution Of No Authority” by Lysander Spooner.
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15th January 2013 at 6:29 pm
Typo Nazi says:
Its S E P A R A T I O N
Dumb Doc
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15th January 2013 at 6:41 pm
Oscar Mannheim says:
@Flash and FRONA
Pud-pullin’, pal. Get up tomorrow mornin’ and get yo’sef a gun, from the barrel of which emerges political power.
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15th January 2013 at 7:11 pm
llpoh says:
Flash – you really need to jam those 10,000 word cut and pastes up your ass. Are you not capable of putting together your own thoughts?
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15th January 2013 at 7:14 pm
Ron says:
Theres so many sources feeding the public such lies and utter bullshit its frikin scary.
Read the msm articles and everyone is ready to surrender all theyre basic rights.
The military actions,The banks and theyre thieving.Its a world gone mad.
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15th January 2013 at 7:22 pm
flash says:
loopy, suck a fat one…the guy has Dump DC dude has some good ideas and their not mine, so while I can’t very well claim his work just because I like it , I can help spread the word….It’s called disseminating information .
If your don’t want to read it , then scroll the fuck on.
Oscar …try to sober up.You dumb enough wide awake.
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15th January 2013 at 7:25 pm
llpoh says:
Flash – that shit fucks up the thread. What, you too stupid to put up a synopsis? Or just put a line or two and post the link? You are the only dickhead on the site that regularly pulls that shit. Give it a fucking rest.
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15th January 2013 at 7:35 pm
flash says:
loopy, get scroll button.
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15th January 2013 at 7:38 pm
Oscar Mannheim says:
Oooo, Flash, you big bully, ooooo, you’ve hurt my feelings! OOOOOOO!
Poor pathetic pud-puller. It’s silly faggots like you that long ago convinced me that the US was doomed. What’s your status, goop? Where do you live, what do you do, what sort of life do you lead? I’m sincerely curious. And by the way: I seldom drink and I’d be willing to bet that by any measure I’m not simply more intelligent than are you, but infinitely more experienced in the ways of the world as well.
Keep on pullin’!
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15th January 2013 at 7:45 pm
flash says:
Oscar , you don’t pay my bills or even feed my dog, so fuck off euro-trash. Clean up your own festering shit-pile before unloading on our own ours.
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15th January 2013 at 7:49 pm
flash says:
Oscar, if you do not fuck off, I will cut and paste some stuff to really pack your shit. You will quake at my ability to copy insults and arguments to destroy your every position. I am super-copier! This is my full time job:
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15th January 2013 at 8:02 pm
Oscar Mannheim says:
@Flash
“Clean up your own festering shit-pile before unloading on our own ours.”
You’re telling me to “sober up”? WTF is that (“on our own ours”) supposed to mean?
Oh yes: while I’m a dual national (Euro-American), I don’t live in Europe. My “festering shit pile” is my compost heap, from which I fertilize my hobby farm. And here’s a bit more for you, faggot: I have a five hundred acre silvopasture ranch as well. Got it all movin’ weight, goop. What do you do? Public employee or some such shit? Pay your bills? Pay ‘em yourself, faggot. I’d be willing to bet I can buy and sell you ten times over. Got it?
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15th January 2013 at 8:11 pm
Oscar Mannheim says:
Quakin’! A copier! I give, I give! PLEEEZE let me simply fade away! A suoer-copier! Christ, is there no relief from the terror?
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15th January 2013 at 8:14 pm
flash says:
Ok, Kraut, You asked for it. Prepare yourself for my onslaught of cut and paste. As soon as I search wikipedia for appropriate insults and arguments, I will get back to you and am gonna tear your ass up!
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15th January 2013 at 8:20 pm
Oscar Mannheim says:
Well, Flash, I ain’t a Kraut: check out the movie “Runaway Train” to see from where my name comes.
And for all you folks: I’m 66 years old (a Boomer!), don’t live in the USA and will never return even for a visit (I was born there, if NYC qualifies) and here in the twilight of my life have decided to strongly advocate crime as the only possible posture for the American who is not testosterone-deprived.
Wish I could post the photo of the 46 year old Colombian I have as my present pal. Life is good. Whine away, goops. Or, better yet, listen to some Chuck Berry, etc. Have fun.
HAVE FUN!!
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15th January 2013 at 8:36 pm
Kill Bill says:
flash, I would be more inclined to read the article you link to if you gave an interesting summary.
But that is my opinion, and yes I do use the scroll wheel. =)
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15th January 2013 at 8:46 pm
flash says:
Oscar -And here’s a bit more for you, faggot: I have a five hundred acre silvopasture ranch as well.
Oscar , please accept my heartfelt apologies. I immensely misjudged your,
Truth is ou impress me beyond words and I’m just livid with envy.
I’m sure everything you have is bigger than mine, bigger boat , bigger car, bigger house, bigger wife and a bigger bung hole.You just do everything big, don’t you?
I am not worthy…
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15th January 2013 at 8:48 pm
Kill Bill says:
actually had to search for silvopasture flash.
I like the program.
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15th January 2013 at 8:56 pm
flash says:
KB, it’s plan for dismissing the Constitution as a useless document that has never provided for the protection of life , liberty or property and replacing it with a corporate agreement signed by only those wishing to participate and vote.
It would operate by contractual agreement between the between free market parties.
I though it was a pretty interesting concept of setting the government up as a corporations in which all American buy into as shareholders , even if it brought the grouch out in Oscar.
But whatever..I’m sorry it caused loopy and Oscar’s rectums to hemorrhage
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I’ll scroll on by now.
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15th January 2013 at 9:14 pm
flash says:
KB-actually had to search for silvopasture flash.
silvopasture … so that’s what my family been doing for 200 hundred years.We just call it turning the cows out. Who’d da thunk it had such purdy name. I wonder if Oscars’s 5 hundred acres of silvopasture came with a purdy note,too?
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15th January 2013 at 9:19 pm
flash says:
Oscar Mannheim says:
Well, Flash, I ain’t a Kraut: check out the movie “Runaway Train” to see from where my name comes.
Why don’t you save me the trouble Oscar and tell me.
I’m not going to watch an entire movie just to get some silly notion of why you named yourself after a character on a b-rated movie.
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15th January 2013 at 9:21 pm
Kill Bill says:
I was aware of the methodology flash, just havent heard it called silvopasture.
It caused me pause.
And I am sure others did the same =)
Nonetheless good on you.
Salud.
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15th January 2013 at 9:24 pm
Oscar Mannheim says:
Awww, Flash, don’t feel bad! While it’s true that almost certainly (one never knows) that all that I have is bigger and better, you mustn’t feel that you are unworthy simply for that reason. No, you are unworthy for the simple reason that your ideas are not simply naive but, well, stupid. Thinking back, remembering the 1950s, there were guys like you who invariably got “pantsed” by guys like me. Sure, I was a dickhead, but that beat being a pussy, at least in those pre-pollitically-correct days in which white European cultural values prevailed. Nowadays? Well, FRONA is one possibilty. Ah hahahahaha! What a joke! The commies are going to eat y’all alive, bro’.
Meanwhile, silvopasture is cool! We grow forage between the trees, and in time the cattle will graze. Great investment with lots of tax breaks and subsidies and we even get to collect fuggin’ carbon credits! Beats the shit out of the “yellow metal,” from which I made a few bucks in the day. These days? Go with productive tangibles or prepare to take what you can get when your masters crack down; or get ready to kill your masters. Simple solutions for simple folk, unless you have Flash’s sophisticated and nuanced answers that Honey Boo-Boo and company will recognize as the way to go.
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15th January 2013 at 9:36 pm
Oscar Mannheim says:
@FLASH
Good on your family and I mean it sincerely. I’m a real believer in silvopasture, I owe nothing on the acreage nor on the infrastructure investment. The land is partly a dowry and the rest came from “black” money that has now been washed. Meanwhile, the movie ain’t bad at all: Kurosawa treatment and a good job by Voight. Zen stuff, in essence. Give it a look.
Life’s getting tougher these days. Fight, fight against the dying of the light! Night now, all: I have to tuck in so I can get up at five to tend to some plants.
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15th January 2013 at 9:45 pm
BUCKHED says:
Flash most of the article is a synopsis of Lysander Spooners thoughts on the Constitution.
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15th January 2013 at 9:47 pm
BUCKHED says:
Oscar..Thinking back, remembering the 1950s, there were guys like you who invariably got “pantsed” by guys like me.
I wasn’t alive in the 5O’s Oscar, so I’ll just have to take you word for it.You wise beyond your years Oscar.Why no one else but you coulda’ figured out how to game the government and get free shit. You da’ man, fer shure
Actual picture of Oscar with his extra ripe Columbian mamasita.
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15th January 2013 at 9:48 pm
llpoh says:
SSS is gonna love the fact that Oscar is a drug dealer and that TBP is attracting his sort. I have to agree, that is really fucked up.
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15th January 2013 at 9:52 pm
flash says:
sorry Buckhed that last post was mine. Yeah, I’m sure that you could read Spooner , Nock and Rothabard amongst others into most modern day libertarian thought.There truly is not anyhting new ly human under the sun.
Oscar sleep tight….and don’t let the mamasita bite.
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15th January 2013 at 9:53 pm
flash says:
loopy , Oscar is no drug dealer, his is merely a well paid bank employee.
Matt Taibbi: After Laundering $800 Million in Drug Money, How Did …
http://www.democracynow.org/…/matt_taibbi_after_laundering_800_milli...
Dec 13, 2012 – “Here we have a bank that laundered $800 million of drug money, and they can’t find a way to put anybody in jail for that. That sends an …
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15th January 2013 at 9:56 pm
flash says:
Anybody want to help make this one go viral
.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nF098HtY-s&list=FLKJDrjGTSp5whJ0bUifGnig&index=1
I have to say, because of my slow connection i could only watched minute or two… looks pretty good though
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15th January 2013 at 9:58 pm
Kill Bill says:
Link to demo.org gives 404 error flash
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15th January 2013 at 12:06 am