DREAMLINERS R US

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Posted on 16th January 2013 by Administrator in Economy |Politics |Social Issues

Can Boeing do anything right?

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  1. Stucky says:

    What’s your problem with Boeing?? Those chutes are working exactly as designed.

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    16th January 2013 at 11:32 am

  2. JIMSKI says:

    O PLEASE.

    Blame the way that contract got split up into a ball of insanity. Hey lets build a plane in 7 locations including 2 of them OVERSEAS! PBS had a nice special stating if this thing flew at all it would be a miracle.

    Ya see the government got involved. They gave tax breaks to different companies in the congress thieves districts to get the sublet work done. Then when other countries complained about the underwriting of the aircraft they told Boeing to have some work outsourced to japan and Europe.

    If Boeing could have made that aircraft at a single location problems would have been easier to solve.

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    16th January 2013 at 11:48 am

  3. sangell says:

    The British commercial airliner industry never really recovered from the premature introduction of the Dehaviland Comet, which was the world’s first jet airliner being introduced years before the 707. If these 787 electrical problems are not just a problem of some bad batteries supplied by a vendor but something more serious that requires a redesign of the electrical system then Boeing could be in deep trouble.

    Other airplanes have had serious issues that led to fatal accidents. The 737 had a rudder issue and Airbus has had planes go down because of issues that required the redesign or equipment or systems. The problem here is the Boeing has hyped the 787 as the plane of the future and while its problems have not caused loss of life, loss of confidence can be just as serious the public decides the plane is unsafe.

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    16th January 2013 at 12:18 pm

  4. Ron says:

    Besides the TSA groping,its anouther reason ill stay away from flying if possible.

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    16th January 2013 at 12:54 pm

  5. ragman says:

    Sounds like a run of faulty batteries or chargers. Also, why is this only happening to Japanese carriers? Sangell: which Airbus crashes were caused by faulty design and not pilot error?

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    16th January 2013 at 2:27 pm

  6. sangell says:

    pitot tubes on A330 giving faulty airspeed readings for one.

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    16th January 2013 at 2:33 pm

  7. Administrator says:

    Half of Boeing’s 787’s now grounded
    Commentary: Airlines want answers. So does the public.

    By MarketWatch

    SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) — All Nippon Airways and Japan Airlines Co., two big, loyal Boeing customers, grounded all of their 787 Dreamliners Wednesday following yet another disturbing problem with the new aircraft.

    The latest episode involved an ANA (TYO:JP:9202) flight from Tokyo, which made an emergency landing in western Japan after a battery warning light went off and the crew smelled smoke.

    Just last week, an auxiliary power pack caught fire on a JAL (TYO:JP:9201) 787 while it was on the ground at Boston’s Logan airport.

    The total number of 787s now grounded is 24, 17 operated by ANA and seven by JAL. That’s almost half of the 49 Dreamliners Boeing has so far delivered. There are at least another 848 on order from commercial airlines around the world.

    This is obviously bad news for Boeing (NYSE:BA) . Its stock fell more than 3% at the open Wednesday. Goldman Sachs analysts, citing this latest setback, cut their Boeing share price target to $90 from $98 and dropped it from their “conviction buy list, citing possible production delays. Read about Wall Street’s growing concerns with the Dreamliner

    Air India and United Airlines (NYSE:UAL) so far have announced no plans to ground their 787s, and LOT Polish Airlines airline is reportedly pushing ahead with plans to inaugurate 787 service Wednesday between Chicago and Warsaw.

    But clearly, damage has been done. A pattern of problems exists, and investors cannot shrug it off as merely routine teething problems with a new aircraft, not when half of the existing fleet is out of service until further notice and Boeing’s entire 787 program is under review by the Federal Aviation Administration.

    Boeing, meanwhile, is trying to exude confidence. It has no choice.

    On Friday, right after the FAA opened its review, Boeing CEO Jim McNerney issued the following statement: “We look forward to participating in the joint review with the FAA, and we believe it will underscore our confidence, and the confidence of our customers and the traveling public, in the reliability, safety and performance of the innovative, new 787 Dreamliner.” Read McNearney’s full statement.

    Company executives might be able to underscore their own confidence, but they certainly can’t speak for the public. Video of paying passengers sliding down the chutes of a brand new 787 at a regional airport in western Japan doesn’t exactly bolster confidence.

    All Nippon Airways grounds its fleet of Boeing 787 Dreamliners, after one of the planes makes an emergency landing in Japan.
    Will it mean canceled orders? Hard to say, but the possibility increases with every new mishap.

    Meanwhile, it’s important to keep things in perspective. No 787s have crashed. No one has died on a 787. Flight crews and ground crews have managed to cope with every malfunction so far.

    But people aren’t blind to what’s happening, and airlines must have answers for passengers anxious about the Dreamliner’s safety.

    Boeing’s future rests in large part on its huge backlog of 787 orders and its knowledge that the Dreamliner neatly fits many airlines’ needs to renew or expand their existing fleets. But that all crumbles if the flying public isn’t on board.

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    16th January 2013 at 3:09 pm

  8. ecliptix543 says:

    Considering how fucked up the electrical aspects on that plane have been for the past four or five years, this does not surprise me in the least. I can’t even remember how many times I got calls from the contract companies wanting me to go either to Everett or Charleston to do completion work on these composite boondoggles. They started trying to recruit people in 2006, then there were ‘supplier issues’ and it got put on hold for six months. Then they tried again but somebody somewhere went on strike and there were more production delays for subassemblies. On and on and on with this sort of mickey mouse bullshit right up to this past year, when I finally told the people not to bother calling me anymore about a fucking contract with Boeing. Fuck ‘em. That’s what they get for splattering production all over the world after shitcanning half their in-house engineering departments. I don’t hope the planes themselves crash, but the management at Boeing needs a sudden stop after a long drop.

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    16th January 2013 at 4:20 pm

  9. Muck About says:

    The 787 “Dreamliner” is in deed caca.. It has some engineering problems that have not been identified yet, much less fixed.

    DON’T RIDE ON ONE.. Period.. Pick an alternate flight..

    MA

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    16th January 2013 at 5:38 pm

  10. fool on the hill says:

    WETdreamliner

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    16th January 2013 at 6:02 pm

  11. SSS says:

    Jimski and Clip

    Thanks for the info on how the sub-contracts on the Dreamliner turned into a giant clusterfuck. If Boeing rolled over to the congressional statists just to curry favor, then Boeing is getting exactly what it deserves.

    Is there ANY U.S. megacorp which hasn’t rolled over to political pressure or stupid lobbying activity and just stuck with basic free market principles to achieve success? Any? If so, I’d love to hear some possible nominees.

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    16th January 2013 at 6:18 pm

  12. Administrator says:

    The Dream Is Over As FAA Grounds Nightmareliner

    Submitted by Tyler Durden on 01/16/2013 18:17 -0500

    The pain for Boeing never stops. Just out from Reuters:

    •U.S. FAA says requiring airlines to temporarily stop flying Boeing’s 787 Dreamliner. #BREAKING
    •FAA: Battery failures on Boeing 787s could damage critical systems and structures, spark fire, if not corrected
    •FAA: Will work with Boeing, airlines to develop corrective action plan to resume 787 operations as “quickly and safely as possible”
    •FAA: Decision to ground Boeing 787s prompted by second incident involving lithium ion battery failure
    •FAA: Will also examine Boeing 787 batteries as part of comprehensive review announced last week

    So, will Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood (i.e., the US government) perhaps reassess his conclusion from last week that the Dreamliner is “safe” or perhaps this too is just more teething problems… Or merely an ultra aggressive case of industrial sabotage from EADS? In other news, perhaps it is time to find a more appropriate name for the Dreamliner?

    Finally we are surprised how nobody has figured out this simple and brilliant solution yet: put Solyndra solar panels on all Dreamliners and call it a day.

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    16th January 2013 at 6:57 pm

  13. taxSlave says:

    I work in avionics. 10 years ago, all major avionics companies started outsourcing the software and hardware development to the cheap cheap Indians. FUBAR

    I drive now.

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    16th January 2013 at 7:00 pm

  14. AWD says:

    I read someplace that the dreamliner uses the same batteries as the Chevy Volt….

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    16th January 2013 at 8:36 pm

  15. crazyivan says:

    The creators and operators of these flying contraptions of whatever vintage, however noble, are distinctly human.

    Suck on that one for a minute.

    The regulators of this group are by far a sub-spicies of human, power hungry and shallow, as all regulators are.

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    16th January 2013 at 8:41 pm

  16. ecliptix543 says:

    Taxslave – What sort of avionics work? I spent about 11 years or so mostly contracting but occasionally direct work all over the place. It’s a small fucking world – I wouldn’t be surprised if we’ve actually met at some point.

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    16th January 2013 at 9:53 pm

  17. ecliptix543 says:

    Oh by the way, the majority of Boeing’s recent engineering work, especially on the 787 (formerly the 7E7) is in Russia. I don’t know about the rest of you, but when I think about quality, I think Antonov and Tupolev. At least Sukhoi and MiG figured their shit out after Vietnam…

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    16th January 2013 at 9:56 pm

  18. Makati1 says:

    Even corporations can exceed operable limits. Boeing is too big to manage. Too much on their plates to track. Too many ‘improvements’ pushed into production before they have been properly tested. Too big to fail? We shall see.

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    16th January 2013 at 11:46 pm

  19. Davossherman says:

    I so miss flying

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    16th January 2013 at 12:17 am

  20. ragman says:

    sangell: The A330 accident was initially a pitot tube problem which led to unreliable airspeed indications.. This problem put the 330 into “Alternate Law” in which the airplane can be stalled(it cannot be stalled in Normal Law). The pilots did not have the proper training to recover from the stall when the blockage went away. They had full aft stick and actually got as slow as 93KIAS. They eventually totally lost control and the airplane came apart. Since then the stall recovery procedure has been changed(worldwide) and hopefully airline pilots will receive the training required to enable proper stall recovery. Hopes this helps clarify what actually happened.

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    16th January 2013 at 7:17 am

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