HOW DID IT WORK OUT FOR THEM?

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Posted on 13th February 2013 by Administrator in Economy |Politics |Social Issues

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  1. Stucky says:

    Obviously, not so well. It started with the purchase of Manhattan. What the Indians should have done is taked those beads, shoved them up the white man’s asses, and hung them by the balls.

    OK …

    I told Ms. Freud earlier in the week that Christopher Dorner could TRY to surrender with 20 white flags and accompanied by the Pope and the Dali Lami …. and it wouldn’t matter …. that he would be murdered, one way or another. She disagreed. I was right.

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    The Execution of Christopher Dorner

    by GEORGE CICCARIELLO-MAHER and MIKE KING

    If the murder of Oscar Grant on an Oakland transit platform marked the dawn of the Obama era, the cold-blooded murder of former Naval reservist and Los Angeles Police officer Christopher Dorner might just mark the end of whatever optimistic hope people can muster in his administration. Whether an innocent young man just trying to get home, shot in the back after being racially profiled and slurred, or a man driven to his breaking point after being fired from a similar police force that operates according to its own warped morality and overarching objectives, the state of the union is a powder keg whose wick has gotten shorter due to decades of looking the other way.

    Just minutes before Barack Obama began his state of the union address, San Bernardino County Sheriffs, knowing full well what they were doing, burned Christopher Dorner to death. From police brutality and racism to political unaccountability, from lack of economic opportunities to the extrajudicial murder of anyone deemed an enemy of the state, Dorner’s life and death offers us a much clearer picture of the state of this union than last night’s speech or media commentary.

    In the years between the murder of Oscar Grant and Dorner’s last stand, March of 2009 to be specific, we were among those observing the case of Lovelle Mixon in Oakland, a parolee who decided he was not going to return to prison, opening fire on police at a traffic stop, killing two. Police went in to execute Mixon, not expecting that he would be holding an SKS. Two more cops died as a result. The logic of Dorner’s desperation, and the chain of events that led to his ultimate death, parallels Mixon’s; proud men without hope, cornered, deciding to go out fighting.

    Neither man was a self-understood revolutionary and it would be inaccurate (or perhaps too accurate a reflection of the dearth of revolutionary activity in contemporary society) to try and declare otherwise. However, the material conditions that produced Dorner, as with Mixon, are not uncommon. The meaning and the effects of their actions speak volumes about the depth of racialization, criminalization and hopelessness in Obama’s supposed “post-racial” America.

    LAPD Endgame: Street Justice on a Snow-Capped Mountain

    The scene could not be more surreal: the remains of a cabin south of Big Bear still smoldering, the President delivered his State of the Union Address. To be fair, they had yet to confirm that the person they were incinerating in a cabin near Big Bear actually was Dorner. Earlier in the day, San Bernardino County Sheriffs received a call reporting a stolen vehicle driven by someone matching a description of Dorner. If the experience of the past five days is any indication, this narrowed it down to Black men, Asian women, and skinny white men. The $1 million dollar reward offered for information leading to Dorner’s capture or death, also offered a measurable rubric for the value of the lives of police officers, as traditionally rewards in homicide cases are closer to $20,000.

    In the gathering of hurried interviews some interesting truths from the public made it into the TV news. An MSNBC reporter asked a witness: “Where you worried when you learned that Christopher Dorner was so close to your house?” But the witness responded “Actually, I was just afraid of the cops.” Given the unrestrained violence unleashed in recent days by the LAPD, this sentiment is perhaps unsurprising, but demonstrating a degree of hubris matched only by an utter absence of ironic intent, LAPD chief Charlie Beck said, evidently with a straight face, “To be targeted because of what you are… that is absolutely terrifying.” To which many nationwide responded with an audible guffaw: welcome to the club.

    An interview with the man who was allegedly carjacked by Dorner said that, while police had told the man not to tell the whole story, he reported that Dorner had simply said “I don’t want to hurt, take your dog and go.” When sheriff’s deputies found the vehicle yesterday, the driver allegedly retreated into a cabin, at one point re-emerging amid the smoke of a diversionary device to exchange more than 100 rounds of fire with deputies. Two police were injured, with one later dying. Police quickly established a large perimeter, closing highways around Seven Oaks, south of Big Bear up to twenty miles away.

    Establishing the perimeter also seemed to mean keeping the media at an arm’s length. While press helicopters had been providing live shots of the cabin in which Dorner was allegedly holed-up, the SBSD quickly requested that media withdraw to roadblocks miles away and that news choppers cease to transmit live video for fear of providing strategic information to Dorner himself. The San Bernardino Sheriff’s Department requested that media outlets and individuals cease and desist from even tweeting about the manhunt and shootout.

    Even more astonishing than the request was the immediate compliance: press outlets abruptly ceased to tweet about the developing story, and duly retreating to the roadblocks, abandoned their task of reporting the news and waited for it to be fed to them. To paraphrase but one of many incredulous observers, we speak of press blackouts in China, but all the police had to do here was ask nicely and the press complied without batting an eyelash.

    With a voluntary media blackout in effect, the Twittersphere, punctuated with a plethora of indignant and sharply worded refusals to comply with the police, became one of the only sources of developing news. What we know about what happened thereafter owes almost entirely to those who scoured the web for scanner feeds from the San Bernardino Sheriff’s Department and intently followed the story these feeds told.

    “The Burn Plan”

    Shortly after 4pm Pacific Standard Time, the cabin was engulfed in flames, with CNN helicopters broadcasting plumes of black smoke from a distance of five miles. A single gunshot is reported from within the house. A narrative quickly emerged among the mainstream media, which we should recall was conspicuously absent from the scene, that police agencies had only deployed tear gas, and that perhaps Dorner himself had set the fire. Soon, what seems to be a cache of ammunition is exploding sporadically.

    But for those of us listening to the San Bernardino Sheriff’s Department radio frequency, there was little question what had occurred. Nearly a half hour prior, officers had referred to “going ahead with the plan with the burner,” with another adding that the plan was to “back the Bear down and deploy the burner through the turret.” (Live audio during the preceding shootout seems to confirm this intention). Soon, the message was straightforward and expected: “Seven burners have deployed and we have a fire.” No surprised tones, no suggestion that the fire be extinguished.

    In fact, there was the exact opposite: a female voice on the scanner repeatedly asks if the fire crews should be allowed to approach, and is told that it’s not time yet, that we need to wait until all four corners are engulfed, then that we need to wait until the roof collapses. At one particularly repulsive point, those on the scene realize that the house has a basement, and an authoritative male voice indicates that the fire crew would not be called until the fire had “burned through the basement.” They were going to let him die.

    References to the 1993 massacre at Waco, Texas, the murderous 1985 bombing of the MOVE Organization in Philadelphia were immediate, and will serve as opposing frames for Dorner’s death in the days and weeks to come.

    A murder? An assassination? A lynching? An execution.

    State of the Union: Flammable

    This is a day of a million possible metaphors, but central among these should be the image of the burning house. In an effort to distinguish what he called the “house negro” from the “field negro,” Malcolm X had once observed that the two responded differently when the master’s house caught fire: “But that field negro, remember, they were in the majority, and they hated their master. When the house caught on fire, he didn’t try to put it out, that field negro prayed for a wind.” While the metaphor may seem a strange one, given the fiery death of a man some have compared to a runaway slave. But as many Americans choose to gaze, mesmerized, at the glowing embers of the Dorner saga rather than watching the State of the Union, it’s worth wondering: whose house is really on fire? And who is praying for wind?

    The eclipsing of the State of the Union, with some networks airing a split screen of the President’s speech alongside images from Southern California, or omitting pre- and post- speech coverage to report on Dorner’s likely death (a speech given in the context of ongoing war and occupation, unending recession and social crisis and a heated debate about, well, gun control) speaks volumes about our society, the conditions which produced Dorner and has helped produced a surge in mass killings generally. Persistent racist policies couched in the language of security, and failed imperial ventures with war tactics re-imported into American policing, are routinely covered over by the trite conflicts of celebrities, whether they be Kardashians or Congressmen.

    Dorner was not just a product of a racist police department, he also no doubt adored his ‘fifteen minutes,’ stealing time from the President he nevertheless supported during the biggest planned speech of the year. Although Dorner’s actions were not driven by a radical consciousness, they are ‘as American as cherry pie’ in an apolitical vacuum that (at least on the surface) resembles Oliver Stone’s Natural Born Killers far more than the political contexts of the 1960s.

    As Obama was taking to the lectern, police agencies were insisting that they had not set the fire that killed Christopher Dorner, and the compliant media were parroting this clearly implausible message. As members of Congress stood and sat on cue to rapturously applaud the Commander-in-Chief, more than 14,000 people have liked just one of the Facebook pages in support of Dorner, some because they know what racist policing is like, some because ours is a time of resisting injustice by any means, and some simply for the joy of backing an outlaw to the grisly end.

    Dorner was not a radical, but his short war was not simply the story of broken man or of individualistic vengeance. The issues of brutality and racism perpetually covered up by a corrupt police department created the insurgent Dorner and resonated with many people who endure the reality of urban policing on a daily basis. The sympathy and the support Dorner received is a clear indicator of the very real and deep structural inequalities that helped forge the path of Dorner’s life and his fiery death. The great radical historian Mike Davis concluded a recent article on Dorner with a peculiar question: “Does anyone cheer Dorner?” What is peculiar is that, for better or worse, there’s no denying that the answer is “yes.”

    There’s no telling what sort of a fire they could start tomorrow.

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    Mike King is a Ph.D candidate in sociology at UC Santa Cruz, and can be reached at mikeking0101(at)gmail.com. Both study policing and counterinsurgency.

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/02/13/the-execution-of-christopher-dorner/

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    13th February 2013 at 2:24 pm

  2. ThePessimisticChemist says:

    When they found him holed up in the mountains, I told my wife “they are going to burn him to death.”

    She disagreed.

    We both follow reddit, and there we found the police scanner reports as they were happening. As the reports filtered in she looked at me with widened eyes and asked me how I knew.

    I cited other cases, and then pointed out that in the eyes of the law, we are all guilty unless its convenient for us to be innocent.

    We had a very depressed evening together.

    RIP Dorner, may whatever god you prayed to show mercy and forgiveness.

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    13th February 2013 at 2:30 pm

  3. flash says:

    As is shown time and again , only those highly trained in weapon use and safety thereof should be allowed to possess dangerous firearms. Obviously Americans aren’t’ listening.

    http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2013/02/13/baltimore-police-trainee-remains-in-critical-condition-after-being-shot-in-training-exercise/
    Several Police Academy Members Suspended After Exercise Shooting; Trainee In Critical Condition

    There was dramatic video from Sky Eye Chopper 13 of the police trainee being loaded into a Medevac helicopter after being shot and then transported to Shock Trauma downtown.

    It happened at the former Rosewood Mental Health facility in Owings Mills on Tuesday afternoon.

    What led to the shooting is unclear. Finding out how live rounds made it into the chamber of the gun used by the instructor during training exercises is a top priority.

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    13th February 2013 at 2:34 pm

  4. Stucky says:

    For those interested into a glimpse of Christopher Dorner’s mind, here is his full text “Manifesto” — 23 pages.

    A very unusual fellow.

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/124401603/Dorner-Manifesto-FULL-TEXT

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    13th February 2013 at 2:57 pm

  5. Llpoh says:

    Result would have been the same either way. The only way it possibly turns out different would have been if the Indians immediately slaughtered every paleface as they set foot on the continent. Even then, it was unlikely to end differently.

    But no, giving up guns did not help the Indian.

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    13th February 2013 at 3:17 pm

  6. ThePessimisticChemist says:

    Tried reading it, made it 10 pages in.

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    13th February 2013 at 3:20 pm

  7. Anonymous says:

    Stucky – “Dorner could TRY to surrender with 20 white flags and accompanied by the Pope and the Dali Lami …. and it wouldn’t matter” the cops telegraphed their plan of action when they shot up the blue truck.

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    13th February 2013 at 3:26 pm

  8. Stucky says:

    TPC

    He talks about the Free Shit Army (FSA) on page 14. lol

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    13th February 2013 at 3:30 pm

  9. ThePessimisticChemist says:

    Hah, yeah I do call Obama supporters FSA. Its not because I’m racist.

    Its because they are an Army of people screaming for more Free Shit. I calls ‘em as I sees em.

    Went on to read a bit more, I cannot believe the poor bastard thinks gun control is the answer. After watching his fellow officers bludgeon innocents without any fear of retaliation, he came to the exact wrong conclusion.

    Dorner was a man of action, not of thought. This doesn’t lesson the tragedy that surrounds his “name”, but it does help provide context for his retaliation and probable failure.

    I say failure because there is zero doubt in my mind that he will go down as just another nut cop killer. People will believe he chose to immolate himself and that will be that.

    Perhaps during the next social revolution his name will be mentioned as an instance of our government’s corruption, but I doubt it. By then other, more recent and poignant atrocities will have taken the stage.

    No, Mr. Dorner I’m afraid your actions did not alter the course of history, and did not clear your name in the annals of time.

    TL;DR: Poor fucker should have played the long game.

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    13th February 2013 at 3:40 pm

  10. sangell says:

    I was somewhat surprised ( and the LAPD damn lucky) that Dorner didn’t initiate any sympathy attacks. I guess not even a rogue ex-cop elicits much sympathy in LA gang circles. Had just a couple of people decided to shot some cops ( or worse, a cops family) this might have really gotten out of control.

    Unfortunately the police reaction to Dorner’s attacks is really a blueprint for anyone who wants to achieve maximum effect with few resources. Had Dorner been as capable as he believed himself to be he could have really had the LAPD chasing their tail and looking over their shoulder. He should have identified himself only as a former police officer and let the LAPD wonder who.

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    13th February 2013 at 3:56 pm

  11. ragman says:

    Ll: giving up guns never helped anyone. That is why we must never do it.

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    13th February 2013 at 3:57 pm

  12. AWD says:

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    13th February 2013 at 4:07 pm

  13. KaD says:

    Ragman: Wrong. Giving up guns helps criminals and tyrants.

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    13th February 2013 at 4:17 pm

  14. Eddie says:

    I read most all of Dorner’s manifesto. This guy was a classic case of a square peg in a round hole.

    Liberal politics. Grew up in a predominantly white culture. Had a chip on his shoulder. The gun control stuff is just the typical liberal rant. It’s easy to understand that when you realize that he considered himself a liberal Democrat.

    Successful military career…imho becaue the US military is pretty colorblind.

    LAPD blew his mind. He was not ready to deal with an organization full of bigotry. Tried to be a whistleblower in a shop full of people who were more than prepared to close ranks on him and let him get canned.

    Dorner had some serious cognitive disssonance going on. The real world was not lining up with his expectations. A psychology grad student could write an interesting dissertation on this guy.

    Was he a nutjob? Yeah, I think he was. Did he deserve to be torched to death? No, probably not. But that’s what happens whe you go head to head with TPTB. When he started murdering innocent people for revenge, and he called out the cops and told them he would bring the battle to them, he sealed his fate.

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    13th February 2013 at 5:37 pm

  15. bb says:

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    13th February 2013 at 5:41 pm

  16. Stucky says:

    He was just a plain old Joe, going about his business and nobody knew his name. In one sense he lived a life of quiet desperation, a black guy living in a white world. He did nothing great in his life, but didn’t do anything terrible either. Got a job. Paid his bills. Tried to get ahead. A plain old Joe leading a mundane life. But then he snapped. And they know his name now. And what’s terrifying about this situation is that I wonder how many other plain old Joe’s are out there? Waiting to go out in a blaze of glory in their 15 minutes of fame … and will I be a victim of their wrath at some point?

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    13th February 2013 at 6:33 pm

  17. Anonymous says:

    The guy is famous. The first guy to get droned. Didn’t have to go to jail and get ass raped. And another manifesto.

    President Orders Flags to Half Staff for Activist Dorner

    On news of the heroic death of Social Justice Activist Christopher Dorner, Comrade Party Chairman and President Barack Barackovich Obama has ordered all flags to be flown at half-staff until his remains are brought to Washington DC for interment at Arlington National Cemetery. In addition, three days of official mourning have been ordered, and all non-essential Federal workers have been given paid leave to participate in tribute activities.

    Comrade Dorner’s social activism began when he witnessed the oppression and brutalization of a prisoner while he was working as a police officer with the Los Angeles Police Department.

    When his pleas for justice were turned around on him and he was denounced by fellow officers to filing a false report, Comrade Dorner quickly escalated his grievance proceedings, leading to further persecution which eventually forced him to engage in armed activities for the sake of the workers and peasants of the USSA.

    As aggressive and counter-revolutionary elements entrenched within local police forces resisted his valiant efforts to bring justice to the oppressed masses of Los Angeles, fellow union activists and Party officials spoke out on his behalf.

    Comrade Charlie Sheen of the Screen Actors Guild endorsed Comrade Dorner’s heroism and offered to assist him in struggle, while Party leader Comrade Jesse Jackson also offered his support.

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    13th February 2013 at 6:52 pm

  18. bb says:

    He. Murder. Five poeple in cold. Blood …. We. Must now feel his pain … What about the people he killed .

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    13th February 2013 at 8:18 pm

  19. ThePessimisticChemist says:

    @bb – What about the people they kill, beat, illegally detain, wrongly accuse and steal from.

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    13th February 2013 at 8:32 pm

  20. nonner says:

    my cali slang dictionary defines Sancho(a) as lover, someone you hope your husband or wife never finds out about.

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    13th February 2013 at 9:29 pm

  21. nonner says:

    cali hispanics, especially second gen and up politely refer to mexican nationals as “spanish” because the term “mexican” is considered pejorative in cali. language seems to be the dividing line. english speaking hispanics consider themselves “white”, some going so far as claiming to be italian – witness eric estrada’s tv character, poncherelli.

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    13th February 2013 at 9:35 pm

  22. howard in nyc says:

    stuck posted an essay from a doctoral candidate. in sociology. at uc santa cruz.

    and as of this writing, eleven to one, thumbs up to down.

    on the burning fucking platform.

    you live long enough, you see everything.

    dorner was a murderous nutjob. how and why he lost his mind, he gave us plenty of material to theorize from. cops had no plan other than to execute him on sight. sop.

    i do not see justification or excuse for dorner’s violence. this was a tragedy leaving many victims, dead, wounded, shocked and grieving. however, i will admit; the fact that he single-handedly scared the lapd shitless gave me a warm feeling inside. one dude with a rifle–a whole police force loses their collective nerve, and shows their true nature, laid bare for anyone willing to see.

    i like that (while i hate the murders and maimings committed by dorner). despite the reality that scared cops are a bad thing–scared lapd cops result in death and mayhem.

    lapd have suffered from chronic fear of an angry, violent, armed and competent black man (or a whole mess of us) for a long fucking time. hence all the death and mayhem from their hands and actions. for decades.

    this string of events was an excellent opportunity for the citizens of los angeles to emerge from their collective denial of reality, cushioned by the delusion that what the lapd dishes out will never touch them. for a few minutes, in contemplation of the shot-up newspaper delivery ladies, maybe a few will realize, only for the grace of wrong place/wrong time, the cops might shoot the hell out of me and my vehicle.

    not bloody likely. for every one angelean who recognizes the real ramifications of an out of control police force, deeply enough to actually voice (or even vote) a refusal to accept such a state of affairs, there are hundreds or thousands who will sink back into their denial, consciously or unconsciously. ‘oh, that could never happen to me. the cops are there to protect me’. delusions are warm, comforting things.

    two riots (1965 and 1992) didn’t convince the masses of los angeles citizens. this won’t either. we’ll see how it works out for them, too.

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    13th February 2013 at 12:14 am

  23. AKAnon says:

    Howard-glad your (sic-see Global Warming thread) back. You nailed it. Interesting to see the shoe on the other foot, wasn’t it?

    BBES

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    13th February 2013 at 1:12 am

  24. Stucky says:

    howard in nyc

    I do not believe the thumbs up (now, 13) are FOR Dorner. No one excuses what he did. I know I don’t …. and I hate cops.

    I think the thumbs up are an indictment AGAINST the LAPD. With 100% certainty, I believe the LAPD determined ahead of time to kill (murder) Dorner. LAPD has become judge, jury, and executioner. Just another brick in the wall towards becoming a bonafide Police State.

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    13th February 2013 at 9:05 am

  25. AKAnon says:

    Stuck-I believe you are correct, except your implication that LAPD had to think about it before determining to smoke Dorner. From the time he killed the first cop, there was virtually zero chance he would survive this (unless he got out of the country and hid really well). The die was probably cast even before that, when he wrote and revealed his manifesto.

    There is no one LEOs hate more and will hunt down more mercilessly than a cop-killer. Not terrorists, not baby-rapers, not gang-bagers, not POTUS assassins. This is not a new phenomenon-been the case as long as I can remember (my father was career LEO), and probably goes back to the ’20s, if not further still.

    In Dorner’s cases, I’ll wager that 90% of the SoCal LEOs would have smoked Dorner under any circumstance (including your surrender scenario), w/o having to think about it. It was, I believe, fully understood.

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    13th February 2013 at 10:11 am

  26. howard in nyc says:

    stuck, i was just sayin, the thumbs ups were for a sociology prof. at santa cruz. the odds of that, in this place, are pretty extreme.

    cute hippie gals at santa cruz, though.

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    13th February 2013 at 3:58 pm

  27. howard in nyc says:

    thanks ak. glad your here too.

    is that BB (in the BBES) boomers, or barry bonds? either one, i’ll take as an insult, and as a laugh. i can’t ever stay away from this love fest too long.

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    13th February 2013 at 4:00 pm

  28. AKAnon says:

    BBES was actually a dig at poster above bb. But baby boomers, whatever floats your boat, OK by me.

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    13th February 2013 at 4:29 pm

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