Stucky posted this yesterday in the thread “How Did It Work Out For Them?”. I think it deserves to be re-posted.
The Execution of Christopher Dorner
by GEORGE CICCARIELLO-MAHER and MIKE KING
If the murder of Oscar Grant on an Oakland transit platform marked the dawn of the Obama era, the cold-blooded murder of former Naval reservist and Los Angeles Police officer Christopher Dorner might just mark the end of whatever optimistic hope people can muster in his administration. Whether an innocent young man just trying to get home, shot in the back after being racially profiled and slurred, or a man driven to his breaking point after being fired from a similar police force that operates according to its own warped morality and overarching objectives, the state of the union is a powder keg whose wick has gotten shorter due to decades of looking the other way.
Just minutes before Barack Obama began his state of the union address, San Bernardino County Sheriffs, knowing full well what they were doing, burned Christopher Dorner to death. From police brutality and racism to political unaccountability, from lack of economic opportunities to the extrajudicial murder of anyone deemed an enemy of the state, Dorner’s life and death offers us a much clearer picture of the state of this union than last night’s speech or media commentary.
In the years between the murder of Oscar Grant and Dorner’s last stand, March of 2009 to be specific, we were among those observing the case of Lovelle Mixon in Oakland, a parolee who decided he was not going to return to prison, opening fire on police at a traffic stop, killing two. Police went in to execute Mixon, not expecting that he would be holding an SKS. Two more cops died as a result. The logic of Dorner’s desperation, and the chain of events that led to his ultimate death, parallels Mixon’s; proud men without hope, cornered, deciding to go out fighting.
Neither man was a self-understood revolutionary and it would be inaccurate (or perhaps too accurate a reflection of the dearth of revolutionary activity in contemporary society) to try and declare otherwise. However, the material conditions that produced Dorner, as with Mixon, are not uncommon. The meaning and the effects of their actions speak volumes about the depth of racialization, criminalization and hopelessness in Obama’s supposed “post-racial” America.
LAPD Endgame: Street Justice on a Snow-Capped Mountain
The scene could not be more surreal: the remains of a cabin south of Big Bear still smoldering, the President delivered his State of the Union Address. To be fair, they had yet to confirm that the person they were incinerating in a cabin near Big Bear actually was Dorner. Earlier in the day, San Bernardino County Sheriffs received a call reporting a stolen vehicle driven by someone matching a description of Dorner. If the experience of the past five days is any indication, this narrowed it down to Black men, Asian women, and skinny white men. The $1 million dollar reward offered for information leading to Dorner’s capture or death, also offered a measurable rubric for the value of the lives of police officers, as traditionally rewards in homicide cases are closer to $20,000.
In the gathering of hurried interviews some interesting truths from the public made it into the TV news. An MSNBC reporter asked a witness: “Where you worried when you learned that Christopher Dorner was so close to your house?” But the witness responded “Actually, I was just afraid of the cops.” Given the unrestrained violence unleashed in recent days by the LAPD, this sentiment is perhaps unsurprising, but demonstrating a degree of hubris matched only by an utter absence of ironic intent, LAPD chief Charlie Beck said, evidently with a straight face, “To be targeted because of what you are… that is absolutely terrifying.” To which many nationwide responded with an audible guffaw: welcome to the club.
An interview with the man who was allegedly carjacked by Dorner said that, while police had told the man not to tell the whole story, he reported that Dorner had simply said “I don’t want to hurt, take your dog and go.” When sheriff’s deputies found the vehicle yesterday, the driver allegedly retreated into a cabin, at one point re-emerging amid the smoke of a diversionary device to exchange more than 100 rounds of fire with deputies. Two police were injured, with one later dying. Police quickly established a large perimeter, closing highways around Seven Oaks, south of Big Bear up to twenty miles away.
Establishing the perimeter also seemed to mean keeping the media at an arm’s length. While press helicopters had been providing live shots of the cabin in which Dorner was allegedly holed-up, the SBSD quickly requested that media withdraw to roadblocks miles away and that news choppers cease to transmit live video for fear of providing strategic information to Dorner himself. The San Bernardino Sheriff’s Department requested that media outlets and individuals cease and desist from even tweeting about the manhunt and shootout.
Even more astonishing than the request was the immediate compliance: press outlets abruptly ceased to tweet about the developing story, and duly retreating to the roadblocks, abandoned their task of reporting the news and waited for it to be fed to them. To paraphrase but one of many incredulous observers, we speak of press blackouts in China, but all the police had to do here was ask nicely and the press complied without batting an eyelash.
With a voluntary media blackout in effect, the Twittersphere, punctuated with a plethora of indignant and sharply worded refusals to comply with the police, became one of the only sources of developing news. What we know about what happened thereafter owes almost entirely to those who scoured the web for scanner feeds from the San Bernardino Sheriff’s Department and intently followed the story these feeds told.
“The Burn Plan”
Shortly after 4pm Pacific Standard Time, the cabin was engulfed in flames, with CNN helicopters broadcasting plumes of black smoke from a distance of five miles. A single gunshot is reported from within the house. A narrative quickly emerged among the mainstream media, which we should recall was conspicuously absent from the scene, that police agencies had only deployed tear gas, and that perhaps Dorner himself had set the fire. Soon, what seems to be a cache of ammunition is exploding sporadically.
But for those of us listening to the San Bernardino Sheriff’s Department radio frequency, there was little question what had occurred. Nearly a half hour prior, officers had referred to “going ahead with the plan with the burner,” with another adding that the plan was to “back the Bear down and deploy the burner through the turret.” (Live audio during the preceding shootout seems to confirm this intention). Soon, the message was straightforward and expected: “Seven burners have deployed and we have a fire.” No surprised tones, no suggestion that the fire be extinguished.
In fact, there was the exact opposite: a female voice on the scanner repeatedly asks if the fire crews should be allowed to approach, and is told that it’s not time yet, that we need to wait until all four corners are engulfed, then that we need to wait until the roof collapses. At one particularly repulsive point, those on the scene realize that the house has a basement, and an authoritative male voice indicates that the fire crew would not be called until the fire had “burned through the basement.” They were going to let him die.
References to the 1993 massacre at Waco, Texas, the murderous 1985 bombing of the MOVE Organization in Philadelphia were immediate, and will serve as opposing frames for Dorner’s death in the days and weeks to come.
A murder? An assassination? A lynching? An execution.
State of the Union: Flammable
This is a day of a million possible metaphors, but central among these should be the image of the burning house. In an effort to distinguish what he called the “house negro” from the “field negro,” Malcolm X had once observed that the two responded differently when the master’s house caught fire: “But that field negro, remember, they were in the majority, and they hated their master. When the house caught on fire, he didn’t try to put it out, that field negro prayed for a wind.” While the metaphor may seem a strange one, given the fiery death of a man some have compared to a runaway slave. But as many Americans choose to gaze, mesmerized, at the glowing embers of the Dorner saga rather than watching the State of the Union, it’s worth wondering: whose house is really on fire? And who is praying for wind?
The eclipsing of the State of the Union, with some networks airing a split screen of the President’s speech alongside images from Southern California, or omitting pre- and post- speech coverage to report on Dorner’s likely death (a speech given in the context of ongoing war and occupation, unending recession and social crisis and a heated debate about, well, gun control) speaks volumes about our society, the conditions which produced Dorner and has helped produced a surge in mass killings generally. Persistent racist policies couched in the language of security, and failed imperial ventures with war tactics re-imported into American policing, are routinely covered over by the trite conflicts of celebrities, whether they be Kardashians or Congressmen.
Dorner was not just a product of a racist police department, he also no doubt adored his ‘fifteen minutes,’ stealing time from the President he nevertheless supported during the biggest planned speech of the year. Although Dorner’s actions were not driven by a radical consciousness, they are ‘as American as cherry pie’ in an apolitical vacuum that (at least on the surface) resembles Oliver Stone’s Natural Born Killers far more than the political contexts of the 1960s.
As Obama was taking to the lectern, police agencies were insisting that they had not set the fire that killed Christopher Dorner, and the compliant media were parroting this clearly implausible message. As members of Congress stood and sat on cue to rapturously applaud the Commander-in-Chief, more than 14,000 people have liked just one of the Facebook pages in support of Dorner, some because they know what racist policing is like, some because ours is a time of resisting injustice by any means, and some simply for the joy of backing an outlaw to the grisly end.
Dorner was not a radical, but his short war was not simply the story of broken man or of individualistic vengeance. The issues of brutality and racism perpetually covered up by a corrupt police department created the insurgent Dorner and resonated with many people who endure the reality of urban policing on a daily basis. The sympathy and the support Dorner received is a clear indicator of the very real and deep structural inequalities that helped forge the path of Dorner’s life and his fiery death. The great radical historian Mike Davis concluded a recent article on Dorner with a peculiar question: “Does anyone cheer Dorner?” What is peculiar is that, for better or worse, there’s no denying that the answer is “yes.”
There’s no telling what sort of a fire they could start tomorrow.
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Mike King is a Ph.D candidate in sociology at UC Santa Cruz, and can be reached at mikeking0101(at)gmail.com. Both study policing and counterinsurgency.
http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/02/13/the-execution-of-christopher-dorner/
Mary Malone says:
Christopher Dorner may have ended his life as a murderer, but he was a human being. He was an American.
He was entitled to Due Process under the Law.
The LAPD could have easily waited him out, and captured him alive. There was absolutely no need to destroy an innocent homeowner’s personal property or Dorner’s life.
None.
Our country is corrupt to the core.
God help us.
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14th February 2013 at 8:54 am
ThePessimisticChemist says:
They didn’t know if he had hostages, and they didn’t even confirm that it was Dorner before they torched it.
I’ve tried to start conversations with people about it, nobody wants to talk about it. Mostly they all seem angry.
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14th February 2013 at 9:05 am
dilligaf says:
another excellent read on the subject –
http://www.naturalnews.com/039098_LAPD_Obama_murder.html
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14th February 2013 at 10:06 am
AWD says:
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14th February 2013 at 10:29 am
Dorkus Maximus says:
I know very little of Dorner’s life, compliments of the un-curious media.
The guy appears to have had no criminal record prior to “snapping.”
He had honorable discharges from the military and, apparently, security clearances.
I’ve seen nothing to indicate he wasn’t a model citizen for most of his life.
He doesn’t appear to have been stupid or crazy.
Nobody denies that LAPD is a cesspool.
I don’t condone Dorner, but it seems like the kind of thing that happens in a tyranny.
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14th February 2013 at 10:55 am
sangell says:
I don’t think there was much chance, even if the police were willing, of getting Dorner to surrender. He was under no illusions as to what was coming his way if he fell into their custody. A very violent arrest to be followed by a few years being held in the most brutal jail regime the San Bernardino, Riverside, Los Angeles and Orange County Sheriffs Department could devise while he stood trial then off to San Quentin where he’d be fast tracked for execution, again under the harshest regimen the California Department of Corrections could devise.
That said, there was a video taking by a CBS reporter who was with the cops when they first cornered Dorner. The sound track has been played a lot but I only saw the video once on the KTLA website. In it a cop tells the CBS reporter to ‘get the fuck outta here’ as intense gunfire breaks out. That’s the audio version. The video shows a half dozen or more cops pouring semi auto volleys and long bursts of fully automatic fire into the cabin Dorner was in. If Dorner was returning fire it wasn’t apparent on this video and to be honest I don’t see how he could have been given the intensity of fire directed at him. Though the TV anchors were assured by their police experts that police would do nothing until they determined that Dorner was alone in that cabin and had no hostages this was the initial police contact with Dorner apparently after he had shot the two San Bernardino deputies and it wasn’t any organized police response just some cops, mad has hornets, by their vehicles maybe 200 feet from the cabin putting as much firepower as they could into that cabin.
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14th February 2013 at 10:59 am
Stucky says:
That’s a damn fine link dilligaf posted. You people in Los Angeles need to get the fuck out while you can. From the article ….
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The coming LA war zone
I know where this is headed, folks. That’s why I’m up at 1:00 am writing this, because this is all an urgent realization that I feel the need to share with you. Los Angeles stands on the verge of becoming a literal WAR ZONE, completely abandoned by any law-abiding police. The battle lines are already drawn. Click here to see a Google Map of the gang boundaries already in place across L.A. The only thing missing from this map is the LAPD territory.
Here’s my prediction: In a real national crisis such as an economic collapse or power grid failure, the LAPD gang will be almost instantly overrun by the Crips. The Crips have significantly more firepower and sheer numbers of people on the streets. They are not one gang, but a multitude of micro-regional gangs who cannot be brought down by killing one leader. You’ve got the Athens Crips, the Compton Crips, the Long Beach Crips, and so on. These gangs respect no law (much like the LAPD all of a sudden) and can dish out just as much violence as the LAPD. In fact, they’re better at it.
The point is that during a real crisis, if you live anywhere south of I-10 and west of the 710 interstate, you’re as good as dead. And the gangs won’t be satisfied with ransacking and looting all the homes and businesses East of the airport, either. You can fully expect them to widen their rampage into Gardena, Carson, Downey, Culver City, downtown LA and of course East LA.
The LAPD will not and cannot protect you. They have no interest in protecting you. They have no respect for the rule of law and have increasingly lost the trust of the public. The LAPD will be out to do only one thing: protect itself and murder its enemies. That’s precisely the way the LAPD acted yesterday in the murder of Christopher Dorner.
Sooner or later, LA will burn. The only way to survive LA in a collapse scenario will be to flee the city or join a gang that can offer you sufficient protection against the other gangs, including the LAPD.
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14th February 2013 at 11:00 am
Stucky says:
The story of two Christopher’s.
Speaking of trained killers, what do you guys think about this guy, Chris Kyle?
Mr. Kyle — Navy Seal sniper, now dead —- professed “no regret” for killing 160 people during his four tours in Iraq. The New York Times reported that Mr. Kyle saw himself as “protecting American troops” and that his deadly skills were “payback for the 9/11 attacks.” The NYT calls him a true American hero.
What do you think? Is he a “hero”? Or, is he more like Christopher Dorner?
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14th February 2013 at 11:12 am
AWD says:
There are more than 2 million gang members in the U.S. All armed to the teeth.
Get out of cities while you still can.
Around here, we have gangs of heavily armed camouflage-dressed rednecks. Instant militia. During a crisis, don’t come here if you know what’s good for you.
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14th February 2013 at 11:15 am
fool on the hill says:
Cops around here are for the most part cowards.
They prefer odds exceeding 100 to 1 and then when they are heavily armed.
Their favorite drug busts are create a crimes (sting operations).
This involves a cop offering a controlled substance for sale which wold be a felony for citizens like you and me.
They are big on traffic tickets but you cannot get them near any of our many meth labs.
Also they excel at protecting the doper kids of their fellow officers.
In Conway New Hampshire dope is readily available from the blue team at several all night convenience stores.
Dunkin Donuts is better protected than the local bank.
Come East to Appalachia LAPD and you will get some quick on the job training!
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14th February 2013 at 12:13 pm
tbone says:
Stucky,
re: story of two Christophers:
you forgot the obvious choice:
Mr. Kyle killed many people he never met, had no idea of their guilt, however had no problem dispatching the ultimate punishment, then having no remorse justifying his actions due to past offenses to his “peeps”
dude that discreption fits the LAPD like a glove
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14th February 2013 at 12:35 pm
Dorkus Maximus says:
I haven’t studied Chris Kyle. I’m not aware of anything he’s done to violate the rights of his fellow citizens. He appears to have been a good citizen and good neighbor. I have no beef with him.
I’m not going to get into the business of condenming returning vets. If you let al qaida or hamas or hezbellah set up shop in your neighborhood, your neighborhood’s gonna go to shit real fast and you might get caught in the crossfire. Blame for people killed in these wars runs very, very, VERY deep. Kyle was armed, equiped, fed, housed, transported, acting under orders, and paid by American taxpayers/chinese investors. Just like thousands of other vets, he did the job he was ordered, and paid to do.
Hot debate. What do you think?
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14th February 2013 at 12:46 pm
Stucky says:
Dorkus Maximus Sheepleus
President Obama needs, no … feeds, off people like you.
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14th February 2013 at 12:57 pm
Stucky says:
Dorkus Maximus Sheepleus says;
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14th February 2013 at 1:04 pm
Eddie says:
This morning I woke up and this song was running around it my head. With any luck I can make it stick in your head too, for a little while. Enjoy.
Agents of the law
Luckless pedestrian
I know you’re out there
With rage in your eyes and your megaphones
Saying all is forgiven
Mad Dog surrender
How can I answer
A man of my mind can do anything
CHORUS:
I’m a bookkeeper’s son
I don’t want to shoot no one
Well I crossed my old man back in Oregon
Don’t take me alive
Got a case of dynamite
I could hold out here all night
Yes I crossed my old man back in Oregon
Don’t take me alive
Can you hear the evil crowd
The lies and the laughter
I hear my inside
The mechanized hum of another world
Where no sun is shining
No red light flashing
Here in this darkness
I know what I’ve done
I know all at once who I am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j0_FxVW8zA
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14th February 2013 at 1:21 pm
Dorkus Maximus says:
Stucky – so you think veterans returning from the war are war criminals?
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14th February 2013 at 3:47 pm
Dorkus Maximus says:
Is Chris Kyle more guilty than the bomber pilot who bombs a building full of people? The artillery crew that demolishes a encampment?
How about the people driving the trucks carrying ammo, food, water and supplies? The “war effort” (i.e. Kyle) couldn’t happen without the aiding and abetting of these logistics personnel. They’re all involved.
If you want to call all veterans war criminals it’s your right, but I’m not joining.
Refusing to condemn the soldiers is in no way support for Obama.
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14th February 2013 at 4:01 pm
Stucky says:
“Stucky – so you think veterans returning from the war are war criminals?”
I was talking about one veteran — Chris Kyle — and now you ask about tens of thousands. I’m not playing. However, I’ll give you a hint as to what I believe.
Q1. Is the Iraq / Afghan war justified, or is it not justified?
Q2 If the war is not justified, then how is any instance of US soldiers killing them not a criminal act?
Hot debate. What do you think?
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14th February 2013 at 4:33 pm
Anonymous says:
Stucky
To me, comparing Chris Kyle to Chris Dorner is like calling an apple an orange…Just two totally different situations with no analogy at all.
I mean, i can see the argument that if a war is wrong, then voluntarily joining the military to go fight in it is wrong too, morally speaking. Some people would agree with that. Others would not, would say that being a soldier is an honorable job, and Chris Kyle was just good at his job.
Either way I don’t see Chris Kyle as a nutjob.
Dorner… he did stuff that no one can really condone. You can commiserate with him. You can say he got a raw deal. I wouldn’t argue against that. But when he decided to take revenge by killing innocent people he crossed a very clear line…and he did it knowingly and with plenty of malice aforethought.
The cops should have tried harder to take him alive, imho. But that is never what happens to people like him. It reminds me of Bonnie and Clyde…some things never change. He fought the law and the law won. EOS.
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14th February 2013 at 5:05 pm
Eddie says:
Me above.
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14th February 2013 at 5:07 pm
Stucky says:
“Either way I don’t see Chris Kyle as a nutjob” —– Eddie
Chris Kyle made a conscious decision to want to kill people — errrr, excuse me —- be a sniper.
He killed 160 humans.
He had no idea if they were guily of anything. The thought of their innocence never crossed his mind because even if it did, he wouldn’t have cared. He wanted “payback” for 9-11, and simply living in Iraq was reason enough to kill you.
He killed them because he liked his job of killing people, and then being able to say “I was just following orders”.
You call it war. A soldier doing his thing. Perhaps even an honorable thing. I call him a full blown fucking nutjob of a human being, 100 times worse than Dorner who, for Chrissakes, at least had a reason for killing.
Hot debate. What do you think?
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14th February 2013 at 5:26 pm
Dorkus Maximus says:
Stucky –
everybody in the armed services that has been deployed to Afganistan is participating in the killing. EVERYBODY. Right down to the file clerks. Its an enterprise for which Kyle was just on the cutting edge.
If I drove someone to house to commit murder, drove them away and helped them cover it up, them I’m guilty too, even though I didn’t pull the trigger.
Your desire to condemn Kyle yet give everybody else a pass is dishonest. You want to play a tricky game but your logic is weak.
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14th February 2013 at 6:03 pm
Stucky says:
“Your desire to condemn Kyle yet give everybody else a pass is dishonest” —– Dorky
Where exactly did I give everybody else a pass? You are forcing me to spell it out for you.
The Afgan war is an unjust war. (I don’t care to debate that. It is my belief.) Therefore, everyone involved is committing an unjust act … only the level of complicity is in question. For example, Kyle is more guilty than the person in Dubuque manufacturing the bullets, but both are guilty … yes, right down to the file clerks.
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14th February 2013 at 7:25 pm
torry english says:
Fuck Dorner he got what he was asking for
May he rot in hell
Hot debate. What do you think?
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14th February 2013 at 8:21 pm
Eddie says:
“You call it war. A soldier doing his thing. Perhaps even an honorable thing. I call him a full blown fucking nutjob of a human being, 100 times worse than Dorner who, for Chrissakes, at least had a reason for killing.”
Stuck, I never said I would do it…or that I’d want my kid to join. I always have and always will be anti-military and anti-war.
But it is something that civilizations have accepted as normal that these kids should be pumped full of patriotism and sent off to kill and to die. It’s not new and most people don’t find that crazy. Ill-advised in my opinion, but not crazy. It’s a choice you make…or sometimes somebody powerful makes the choice for you.
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14th February 2013 at 8:44 pm
John says:
Great timing! Every police department I’m America has swat teams. Weapons, tac gear, black helmets, and thirty round mags. And we are worried about NRA guys like me? Also, I am with Terry. Fuck Dorner..
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14th February 2013 at 9:06 pm
printmemoney says:
Stucky –
You live in a country that’s last 13 years…fuckit lets call it since grenada, or even vietnam……leaders have waged “unjust” wars
You are as complicit as the 18 year old private. Get over yourself. Or fucking leave.
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14th February 2013 at 9:31 pm
Llpoh says:
Dorner killed two folks, ambusehed cops, killed a cop in the shootout at the shack, etc., and the cops take him out. Big surprise. For fuck sake, there are real outrages out there, but this is not one of them. Dorner died by his own actions. Cop killers know yhe consequences of their actions.and I for one have no sympathy for cop killers, much as I hate cops. And I do not think they got the wrong guy.
For instance, it is OUTRAGEOUS beyond belief that there are persons being held year after year after year in Guantanamo without charge. They are not citizens, but it is a travesty. Charge them, or fucking release them. Where indeed has the rule of law gone? Where is the public outrage over this? They are not US citizens, so let them rot forever.
What a great country the US has become. Whatever is done to a non- US citizenis ok, and killing US citizens without trial, without judicial oversight, and in secrecy is also ok.
What a fucking joke that Dorner gets one single tear given the real outrages being perpetrated.
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14th February 2013 at 10:59 pm
Michael says:
He took the easy way out, was not burned to death, he shot himself. Don’t care if he was a vet, an ex LAPD officer, or an ex church goer. He killed that couple in Irvine like any cold blooded murderer would. was hoping he would be arrested, convicted and lethally injected. Hope he is having fun in hell for all his sins of murder.
Gitmo topic?? yeah free them, they can live with you. Wish I could waterboard each and every one of those Gitmo detainees. That is what being American is all about, protecting and serving your country at all costs. Pierce Morgan and the royal family aren’t taking country of this country again, we won that battle once and for all. Let me see the tea party, the american revolution, the constitution….. Love this country..
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14th February 2013 at 3:00 am
Llpoh says:
Michael the fucking ignoramus shows up. Just fucking great. Glad to see rule of law is important. Who knows what the folks in Gitmo have done. No evidence, no trial, no fucking nada. The US was built on high ideals. Jailing people for life without trial, evidence, judicial oversight are not those ideals. The US has lost its moral compass. Michael is example number one.
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14th February 2013 at 5:45 am
Llpoh says:
So Michael wants to waterboard someone. For what? Any evidence? Any info after all these years that would be of value?
Michael has set a new low for TBP.
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14th February 2013 at 5:47 am
flash says:
…more of the same .Keystone cops murder unarmed civilians. I’m sure all involved will receive the harshest punishments possible.It has been rumored that suspension with pay has even been bandied about by police administrators as due justice for the exterminated.
CLEVELAND, Ohio — A November car chase ended in a “full blown-out” firefight, with glass and bullets flying, according to Cleveland police officers who described for investigators the chaotic scene at the end of the deadly 25-minute pursuit.
But when the smoky haze — caused by rapid fire of nearly 140 bullets in less than 30 seconds — dissipated, it soon became clear that more than a dozen officers had been firing at one another across a middle school parking lot in East Cleveland.
Soon after the shooting stopped, one officer rushed to check the two occupants of the 1979 Chevrolet Malibu that the cadre of Cleveland cruisers had followed into the lot.
Officer Wilfredo Diaz, a former city EMS worker, had fired the first shots at the Malibu after bailing out of his car.
He felt for passenger Malissa Williams’ pulse.
There wasn’t one.
Diaz moved Williams’ leg slightly to look for a gun.
Again, there wasn’t one.
Dead next to Williams in the driver’s seat was Timothy Russell, 43.
No officers were injured.
Cleveland officials will use the report as a framework for their administrative review of the chase and shooting, which could lead to internal discipline of the officers involved in the chase or those who were supposed to be supervising them.
I’ve never been more afraid in my life,” said Officer Michael Brelo, who fired 49 shots that night. “I thought my partner and I were being shot and that we were going to be killed.”
Brelo, according to his account, climbed onto the trunk and then the top of a zone car and reloaded his gun, firing rounds into the Malibu. An Iraq war veteran, Brelo said he saw “the suspects moving and I could not understand why they are still moving, shooting at us. Even through Iraq, I never fired my weapon. I never have been so afraid in my life.”
Many of the officers who heard “shots fired” broadcast over police radio mistakenly assumed the gunfire was coming from the suspects, the report reveals.
Officers recounted for investigators seeing guns, objects that looked like guns or one of the suspects loading guns in the middle school parking lot — which could not have been possible at that point in the incident. No gun was found in the car.
Some also believed that one officer who ducked behind a car that was hit by the Malibu was either run over or shot – heightening their fears.
http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2013/02/cleveland_police_chase_and_shooting_scene.html
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14th February 2013 at 7:40 am
flash says:
I asked Micheal this question on another thread , but did not receive an answer.Well Michael?..unless your one of our trolls, then never mind…
MICHAEL says: THIS COMES TO YOU FROM A VOLUNTEER THAT DIDN’T WAIT FOR THE DRAFT OR RAN FROM IT.
Michael , do you care to elaborate on moral conviction, sense of purpose or was it choice of MOS due to inevitable draft that led to you to volunteer for military service during the Vietnam war?
I would be very interested in why you decided to take the initiative to engage in a war of no consequence.
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14th February 2013 at 7:44 am
TeresaE says:
Michael says: “…That is what being American is all about, protecting and serving your country at all costs.(deleted for being stupid) we won that battle once and for all. Let me see the tea party, the american revolution, the constitution….. Love this country..”
My dearest Michael, you say you “Love” America, that you want to “see” the tea party, the revolution, the constitution, yet based on your other (not repeated by me) comments, you have NO appreciation of what any of your ideals truly mean.
We were founded because a group of brave men had had enough of Daddy George protecting them and instituting laws and “fairness” that always seemed to strip those that worked and benefit the elitists that played footsie with the King. They had had enough of George’s cops rounding up people and confiscating their property without due cause, or just trials. They realized that ALL government was evil, and sometimes blood must be spilled to put it back into its place.
Burning someone to death, or holding them without charges or representation in the dark of night, is NOT, in ANY way something the men that so bravely sacrificed their lives wanted.
If you think it is, then you need to do a lot more research into these ideals you spout and realize that everything you think you know is propaganda and bullshit.
Just keep in mind if King George had (and used) the technological power that our current form of gubment is using against us today, we would still be celebrating the Queen’s birthday.
Educate yourself before you spout off about loving this country. The internet can be used for more than just proving to the world you’re an idiot, Facebook or porn. Thought you should know.
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14th February 2013 at 9:40 am
Stucky says:
Guy kills a 24 year old mother of two —- the “reward” leading to his capture won’t exceed $20k. Kill a cop ….. and the “reward” is $1 million ….. as if a cops’ life is 50x more valuable than a young woman. That alone shows you the cops’ priorities …. it’s NOT you!! …. and how fucked up values in this country are.
Furthermore, those of you who think Chris Kyle is some sort of hero, or “just a guy doing his job”, is proof to me you are war mongering assholes no better than the war-crimal Presidents who approved this shit.
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“You are as complicit as the 18 year old private. Get over yourself. Or fucking leave.”
———– Printmemoney
Who the fuck do you think you are telling me to leave? You piss-ant piece of shit. I shit on your mother’s grave.
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14th February 2013 at 2:34 pm
nonner says:
“You are as complicit as the 18 year old private. Get over yourself. Or fucking leave.”
———– Printmemoney to Stucky
i thought that was hilarious the first time i read it, next he’ll be saying ‘vamoose’ to admin.
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14th February 2013 at 10:32 pm
RJ OGuillory says:
For all of you little fascists writing in and supporting the actions of the police, or questioning the honor of these folks like Dorner….please…for the sake of our country…for the sake of our children and grandchildren …please…get a clue….! These people who are in charge of us are traitors to their oaths…and to liberty and freedom…I grew up in a family of corrupt law enforcement up in St. Louis…and I was a federally protected whistle-blower who worked for the US DoD all over the world…these people are traitors, thieves and killers who have been part of an international pedophilia ring for decades…they are purposefully destroying your country and stealing your kids futures…even police who try to do the right thing…are crucified…they tried to “get me” for over two decades…and they finally had to give up because I won every time…they are corrupt beyond measure…Hilary is a war-criminal…and a US Traitor….just like her husband and the other members of the Bush-Clinton-Cheney-Obama criminal cabal…going all the way back to the shooting of JFK…these criminals have been involved in destroying the US…my solution….a National Grand Jury…convened in NYC and targeting all of the crime and corruption of the past fifty years or so…let’s do some real investigations into JFK, RFK, MLK…the Contras…911…then we should build a National Gallows for American Values at ground –zero NYC 911…and after convicting folks like Hilary (of dead men in Washington area parks) and other crimes…we should hold a national lottery to win the chance at pulling the handle on some of these folks…what would you pay to win a chance to pull the handle on Hilary’s hanging…her and Bill dropping at the same moment …we could pay off the national debt…hell, just the lottery to Hang GW Bush and his daddy should help pay off the debt of their illegal wars……and every corrupt cop in the country needs to be arrested and charged as well….hang them all ! …and to you people supporting this type of action…wait until there is civil war, and the people begin 4th Generation warfare against the traitors…and someone decides to do a flash-mob… ….not that I’m suggesting something like this…but what happens on Tuesday at noon,… millions of people get a flash-mob message to go active at noon on Tuesday ….and all across the nation at noon on Tuesday….a million people show up at their local police department …or find a local cop nearby…and simply dump a 32 oz cup of gasoline on the cop and light them up…walk away….flash mob…a million dead or injured cops in bang!…..That is the world of lawlessness that you people supporting the destruction of our country and Constitution are advocating….freedom and liberty will fight, so you people who support these pigs better understand what you are helping to create…
Regards,
RJ O’Guillory
Author- Webster Groves-The Life of an Insane Family
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14th February 2013 at 11:49 am