Neocons are foaming at the mouth. Expect Glenn Beck to renounce his new found love for Rand. Following is a snippet of comments from FreeRepublic.com I suspect two of them are from Llpoh and HZK. All I can say is “Hooray!”
To: Corporate Democrat
Perhaps channeling some of his Daddy’s Jew-hatred?
I expected more from Paul.
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Tuesday, February 26, 2013 3:32:45 PMby
TheThirdRuffian(RINOS like Romney, McCain, Dole are sure losers. No more!)
To: Corporate Democrat
Rand voted yes because his Dad’s libertarian anti-Israel fan club was upset. Hating Israel is a defining issue for these people.
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Tuesday, February 26, 2013 3:33:32 PMby
Longbow1969
To: Corporate Democrat
I failed to understand his reasoning. Seemed to me Paul just makes his decision based on totally random illogic.
Yes, the president gets to pick appointees, but that doesn’t mean president IS OUR KING, and the confirmation process a rubber stamp to make it look pretty.
Huh, again????
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Tuesday, February 26, 2013 3:35:50 PMby
Sir Napsalot(Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
To: Corporate Democrat
Hell, even pasty blue bloods Cornyn and McCain voted Nay against one of their own. Rand Paul voted Yea?! WTF!!!
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Tuesday, February 26, 2013 3:36:22 PMby
TADSLOS(The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
To: Corporate Democrat
What ever the reason he is done for me. The fork stuck.
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Tuesday, February 26, 2013 3:37:20 PMby
Ramonne
To: Corporate Democrat
Asked if he ever got the information he wanted about Hagel, Paul said that he hadn’t. WTF
To: Longbow1969
Rand Paul: “Some of my best friends are Jews…”
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Tuesday, February 26, 2013 3:38:12 PMby
jimbo123
To: Corporate Democrat
May the price of rope rise sharply in DC very soon.
I see you’re new.
Are here to rub salt in our wounds?
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Tuesday, February 26, 2013 3:38:46 PMby
right way right(What’s it gonna take?)
To: Corporate Democrat
I had better hopes for young Paul.
Alas, it was not to be.
If he can’t even vote correctly on something this obvious….a simple vote — not requiring any leadership ability or effort….
pray for America! pray pray pray…
(and yes, we need a new Senator next time, too!!!)
To: Corporate Democrat
That statement from Rand Paul is less than weak tea, it is nonsensical. It makes him sound like he completely defers to Lord Obama and it will haunt him with conservatives should he have any higher office aspirations.
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Tuesday, February 26, 2013 3:41:26 PMby
Truth29
To: Corporate Democrat
Rand, You have lost my trust…Betrayed again
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Tuesday, February 26, 2013 3:42:38 PMby
darkwing104(Let’s get dangerous)
To: faithhopecharity
It’s a sad thing, I did hope he would be more consistent. I guess it’s true, Washington D.C. will eventually corrupt anyone we send there to represent us.
To: Corporate Democrat
Covering mouth and coughing – bullshit!
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Tuesday, February 26, 2013 3:42:50 PMby
Bushbacker1(Molon Labe! (Oathkeeper))
To: Ramonne
The lesson here is that we can never reasonably expect any one lawmaker to vote to please us 100% of the time. I might have been happier if Paul had not voted for Hagel either but the reality is it probably didn’t make one bit of difference.It is not reasonable to expect this president to have ever nominated a desirable candidate–Obama hates America.
It was no surprise to me at all. I told y’all so a long time ago.
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Tuesday, February 26, 2013 3:44:43 PMby
familyop(We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
To: Longbow1969
Rand Paul’s son was arrested ny TSA for several infractions at an airport not long ago. Maybe this makes those fed charges go away.
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Tuesday, February 26, 2013 3:45:20 PMby
MestaMachine(Sometimes the smartest man in the room is standing in the midst of imbeciles.)
To: Corporate Democrat
Like father, like son..Ron Paul taught his son well..I guess hating Jews is the new “In” thing..but hey no worries Rand, Louis Farrakhan endorsed Hagel first so your in good company
Administrator says:
Applause for Rand Paul and the other three Republicans with balls to dare cross the Jewish Lobby that controls the Republican party.
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26th February 2013 at 8:01 pm
Zarathustra says:
Admin, So you’re an anti-semite too?
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26th February 2013 at 8:14 pm
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Zara
I like Hagel. He opposed Bush on Iraq and doesn’t let the neo-cons push him around. He won’t let the neo-cons and Israel push us into war with Iran. What’s not to like? He’s no one’s bitch. Either is Rand.
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26th February 2013 at 8:27 pm
Zarathustra says:
Admin, I like Hagel for three reasons:
1) He’s no chickenhawk. He actually volunteered for combat when he had the opportunity to serve his term in Germany. Knowing the carnage of War firsthand is a huge asset for a SecDef.
2) His appointment is a huge defeat for the Neocons.
3) Yes, odds of an Iran war just took a major nosedive.
I don’t expect our policies with regard to Israel to change, unfortunately.
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26th February 2013 at 8:33 pm
Zarathustra says:
On the other hand…
Obama to Inform Netanyahu of Plans for Summer Iran War
Will Urge Israel to ‘Sit Tight’ And Let US Start War
by Jason Ditz, February 25, 2013
According to unnamed officials quoted by Israel’s Channel 10, President Obama is planning to inform Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of his intention to attack Iran this summer, with June beginning the “window of opportunity” for his next war.
Secretary of State John Kerry said in a press conference earlier today that time is “running out” for diplomacy, and it seems that the next P5+1 talks are being set up as the “last chance” for Iran to give in to assorted US demands before being attacked.
President Obama will reportedly inform Israel of this decision during his upcoming visit next month, and will ask Netanyahu to “sit tight” and stop talking up the war for a few months until the US can get it off the ground unilaterally.
The US has been setting the stage for a June war since last year, when Obama had likewise reassured Israel in the lead-up to elections that a US war would be launched by June 2013, an effort to keep Israel from starting the war ahead of the US vote.
It should be noted that a June war would be extremely problematic on a number of levels, including Iran having a June 14 presidential election to replace outgoing President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Moreover, previous reports of a “war date” being set by the administration have not panned out.
Netanyahu has been making much of the “red line” of Iran’s civilian enrichment program growing more efficient, despite the UN confirming that Iran keeps diverting the civilian uranium to civilian uses and the stockpile is not getting considerably larger than its been. He has presented summer as a likely time to start a war, and any US pledge might be designed more to placate him than around any intention to actually go through with it.
Most of Iran’s uranium is enriched to 3.5 percent, for the Bushehr electricity plant, while a small fraction is further enriched to 20 percent, the level needed for the US-built Tehran Research Reactor, which makes medical isotopes.
Indeed, US intelligence agencies have repeatedly conceded in “threat assessments” that Iran’s program is purely civilian and that there is “no decision” by Iran to even attempt to make a nuclear weapon. A recent poll has shown that an overwhelming majority of Americans have been convinced by politicians that Iran’s program is a “threat” to American interests, though polls have generally shown a strong opposition to starting a war over the matter.
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26th February 2013 at 8:37 pm
AWD says:
Guest Post: Be Careful: Russia Is Back To Stay In The Middle East
Russia is back. President Vladimir Putin wants the world to acknowledge that Russia remains a global power. He is making his stand in Syria. The Russians are troubled by what they see as a growing trend among the Western Powers to remove disapproved administrations in other sovereign countries and a program to isolate Russia. Again, Russia is seeing Washington’s hand in Syria in the conflict with Iran. The Russians are backing their determination to block another regime change by positioning and manning an advanced air defense system in what is becoming the Middle East casino. Putin is betting that NATO will not risk in Syria the cost that an air operation similar to what was employed over Libya will impose. Just in case Russia’s determination is disregarded and Putin’s bluff is called, Surface to surface Iskander missiles have been positioned along the Jordanian and Turkish frontiers. Putin is certain that he is holding the winning hand in this very high stakes poker game. When the Turks and U.S see that there is little chance of removing Al-Assad, they will have no option other than to negotiate a settlement with him; and that would involve Russia as the protector and the mediator.
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26th February 2013 at 8:44 pm
michaelj007 says:
can someone help me PLEASE!??! I’m reading the constitution right now, I don’t see where it says “Must Love Israel and Jews”. Anyone?
ha ha! but really, best of luck to the Israelis and the IDF. Looks like they’ll have to pay their own way in the nitty gritty streets of Tehran. I’m not an anti-jew, anti-Israel or anti-semite (which is an inaccurate term)… I’m anti-SPENDING and anti-bullying. The US is broke from the inside and out. One thing you can’t knock the Big O for is he’s kept us out of Iran. If McCain or Romney were in power we’d have doubled down in the M.E. years ago. So Barry,
This Drone’s for You!
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26th February 2013 at 9:18 pm
Kill Bill says:
Russia was broken down into 16 separate countries after they went bust.
Not a game changer.
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26th February 2013 at 9:54 pm
Stucky says:
After being lied to a million times by a million politicians …. Admin somehow believes that Hagel won’t ultimately become Israel’s bitch.
To be filed in the “wonders never cease” category.
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26th February 2013 at 10:01 pm
Anonymous says:
Russia, faking its demise, lurking in the weeds. Waiting to serve its purpose.
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26th February 2013 at 10:05 pm
Stucky says:
AWD
Good for Russia. Nice to see at least one country that can stand up to our warmongering insanity. Makes things more interesting when the other side also has thousands of nukes.
Go Gog!!!
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26th February 2013 at 10:05 pm
Kill Bill says:
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At least I would be on a protected airbase and not driving the streets in a Humvee.
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26th February 2013 at 10:06 pm
Kill Bill says:
Meh, there are actually two Israel groups. One is Hawkish the other more peaceful. Many have never heard of J Street. If Hagel veers to either it will be the latter, IMO.
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26th February 2013 at 10:10 pm
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Admin and Zara
I happen to be one of those increasingly rare individuals who believe that the president should be entitled to choose whomever he wants to be in his cabinet, unless the individual is guilty of a crime of moral terpitude. Everything else is pure politics.
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26th February 2013 at 10:46 pm
Zarathustra says:
What Was That All About?
The meaning of the Hagel confirmation battle
by Justin Raimondo, February 27, 2013
A recent poll showed most Americans didn’t know enough about Chuck Hagel to have an opinion on his confirmation as Secretary of Defense. You’d never know that, however, with all the drama emanating from Washington on the subject. So did all that sound and fury signify nothing?
What seems like an inside-baseball brouhaha actually maps a seismic shift in the way Americans think about war, American foreign policy, and the peculiarities of our “special relationship” with Israel.
War – Here was a contest in which the contrast between the combatants could not have been starker. On one side: Hagel – who volunteered to be sent to Vietnam, was awarded two Purple Hearts, and spent a good part of his public service career fighting for veterans of that criminal war. On the other side: Sen. Lindsey Graham, who joined the Air Force and claimed to be a “Gulf war veteran,” and yet never saw a micro-second of combat – or even left the US, for that matter.
If Hagel represents the odyssey of those straight-and-true patriots whose disillusion taught them to be skeptical of the uses of American power, then Sen. Huckleberry Closet-case symbolizes the archetypal chicken-hawk whose unchallenged illusions have led to the misuse of that power.
These two types are natural enemies: the realist and the fantasist. The former gains knowledge via experience, while the latter reinforces his ignorance by keeping his distance from gritty reality. Hagel’s enemies, almost to a man, are poseurs: that is, they limn the mannerisms and mindset of the warrior, but the performance turns into parody because they lack any sense of the tragic. At one point during the long Senate confirmation process, one of Hagel’s more persistent critics objected to his characterization of the Iraq war as a “meat-grinder.” What planet are these people living on?
So do only battle-scarred vets have the right to speak up on matters of war and peace? No one said that: but when one battle-scarred vet rises to question the cavalier manner in which American soldiers are routinely sent into ill-advised wars, we ought to shut up and listen. And we ought not to be implying that they’re traitors, or that they’re on the payroll of North Korea, Iran, and the Devil himself.
One neocon of note even argued that Hagel’s experience in the military was a disadvantage, because his first-hand knowledge of the horrors of war would make him unreasonably averse to ordering troops into combat. Better to put a chicken-hawk in as SecDef – one who will have no trouble sleeping at night after sending our young men and women to their deaths in the name of avenging the defeat of “a band of reluctant conscripts,” as laptop bombardier Eliot Cohen described the Vietnam generation of wounded warriors.
Which brings us to a larger question:
American foreign policy – Thanks to the neocons, who pulled out all the stops, the battle over Hagel’s confirmation was fought over the central issues facing American policymakers, first and foremost our stance toward Iran.
The drum beat for war with Tehran began way back in the darkest days of the Bush administration, and the same crowd has kept pounding away at their tom-toms ever since, getting louder and more insistent by the day. Yet Bush ultimately backed away from that particular abyss, defying Dick Cheney and his pet neocons, who then had to pursue their goal in opposition. With the election of Barack Obama, however, the country had already turned the page.
As the war hysteria of the Bush years became an ever-dimmer memory, the charge of “appeaser!” – thrown at Hagel for expressing a desire to engage Tehran – no longer had the force of a cattle-prod. Indeed, next to the hysterics of someone like Ted Cruz or Jim Inhofe, instead of discrediting Hagel it made him seem relatively reasonable. In opposing Hagel on these grounds, the neocons and their senatorial camarilla meant to reestablish a litmus test that had long since passed its expiration date – and they failed miserably.
The two words that were repeated most in the Senate confirmation hearings were Iran, and Israel – with the latter beating out the former by a good margin. Which brings us to the third big issue the Hagel battle impacted:
America’s “special relationship” with Israel – “Send us Hagel, and we’ll make sure every American knows he’s an anti-Semite,” said one Senate aide to the Weekly Standard, as the battle commenced. For many years, any and all criticism of the Jewish state has been relegated to the fever-swamps: if you dared call Israel an “apartheid state,” or tending toward that status, you were automatically reviled as an acolyte of David Duke, or worse. Yet, according to his critics, at least, Hagel did just that – and is now our Secretary of Defense. There goes another litmus test down the tubes!
More importantly, anyone who pointed to the powerful Israel lobby as a decisive force in the making of American foreign policy was similarly and routinely smeared as an anti-Jewish bigot. Yet Hagel has done precisely that – and, hey lookee lookee, he’s in the Pentagon drivers’ seat!
Israel’s American lobby has done much to weave a mystique of invincibility around itself, but this was always an illusion: now that spell has been broken, and, from this point on, their road will be a lot harder. Hagel was right to say the Israel lobby rules by intimidation, and his victory means their bullying will matter a lot less from now on.
Dan McCarthy, writing in The American Conservative, trenchantly observed:
“AIPAC itself did not take up the fight against Hagel; this was specifically the fight of the right wing of the Israel Lobby. Until now, the core lobby has mostly faced trouble on its left, from groups like J Street and people like Peter Beinart. Now it has a right-wing problem as well, from “ultras” who don’t accept that core lobby’s line that Israel policy should be bipartisan and who have tightly entwined themselves with GOP. What Adelson and Kristol and their friends in the Senate have done is to make Israel a more partisan issue than it has been hitherto – and what’s worse, the party the ultras have aligned with is the one that looks set to be out of power for some time to come.”
For those who have longed for the liberation of American foreign policy from the iron heel of the Israel Firsters, the split in the Lobby is good news indeed. And while the disagreement is (so far) over strategy and tactics, rather than some substantive policy difference, it still works to the advantage of those who want a foreign policy that puts America first, second, and third.
The Israel lobby has long denied its very existence: indeed, anyone who pointed it out, such as John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt, was subjected to potentially career-destroying vilification. Accused Israeli spy Steve Rosen, former top AIPAC official, was right when he compared the lobby to a night flower that blooms only in the dark. However, now that exotic blossom has been hauled out into the light – and we can sit back and watch it wilt under scrutiny.
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26th February 2013 at 12:33 am
napari says:
Just yesterday someone said that jews own Manhattan, etc…today its the powerful Israel lobby that must be over come. I’ve heard this stuff for years and I think all of you blame way to much on people who live on a spit of sand.
Could the real motivator for our foreign policy be that we need massive amounts of fossil fuels for our culture to live in the splendor it does?
If one stops to think just for a minute blaming all our foreign policy on “Israel and its powerful lobby” just excuses our wanton use of the planets natural resources.
All of you are in a pipe dream if you think the US is going to stop warring in the middle east! One doesnt need piles of dribble to see the illogic just some common sense.
Whomever trys to take away our massive amounts of fossil fuel gets crushed every single time. Just go look in the mirror ya’ll if you want to see who is to blame! All this poppycock about its Israels fault didnt make sense yesterday. It doesnt make sense today and it still wont make sense tomorrow!
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26th February 2013 at 4:35 am
ragman says:
napari: I don’t blame “Israel and its powerful lobby” for a totally fucked-up foreign policy. Just for the unconstitutional, illegal “wars” in the ME that cost us thousands of lives, trillions of dollars for absolutely nothing. Nothing was accomplished. The confirmation of Hagel is a good thing. Hagel said that he was elected Senator in the USofA, not Israel. WTF is wrong with that? Rand Paul gained a lot of respect from me because of his vote. If the Pubbies can get out from under the dark cloud of Karl Rove and the neocons, they just might be able to save our Republic. The other republic, “Free Republic” eats shit!
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26th February 2013 at 8:33 am
napari says:
@ragman
The US has a very long history of screwing over countries in the middle east. I want out of the middle east just as much as anybody. I just think your looking at it from the wrong angle. Why is it we dont mind our own business and stay out of the area? FOSSIL FUEL
You can swap the red pill for the blue pill all day long and it doesnt matter. Obama is a war monger just as much as bush was a war monger.
As long as were 100% dependent on fossil fuels were not going to mind our own business! Dont tell me nothing was accomplished. We have enjoyed massive amounts of fossil fuels which if the spigot was ever shut off our whole economy and way of life grinds to halt!.
All the news posts on this thread from different sources would have us believe that Hagels nomination is a victory over the powerful jewish lobby. You may want to remember that the US has very few friends left on the planet! Israel happens to be one of them!
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26th February 2013 at 9:09 am
napari says:
Specifically i questioned the Hagel nomination because of controversial comments he made regarding our friend and long time ally Israel.
Whats wrong with that?
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26th February 2013 at 9:15 am
TPC says:
Let Russia take over “our role” on the world stage, they’ll go bankrupt even faster than we did.
Let the world police itself.
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26th February 2013 at 11:12 am
Stucky says:
Sen. Ted Cruz (newly elected right-wing Republican from Texas) asked Hagel; —- “Do you think the nation of Israel has committed war crimes?” Hagel replied, —- “No, I do not, Senator.”
Of course, this is bullshit. So, you see, the acquiescence to the Jewish Masters has already started.
Nevertheless, the biggest HLSOS (Hypocrite Lying Sack Of Shit) was Sen. Lindsey Graham … who raked Hagel over the coals ….. acting as if there is no Israel Lobby in Washington …. pretending that no member of Congress has ever faced pressure from this “non-existent lobby”. It was pure Theatre Of The Absurd that would make even Alfred Hitchcock jealous.
I guess we’ll all just pretend that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu – a HLSOS charter member — did not address a joint session of the House and Senate … you know, to ‘help’ them decide how to act. I guess we’ll all just pretend that both Republicans and Democrats tried to outdo each other with standing ovations, … displaying obeisance better reserved for trained seals. And although not televised or reported, I have it on good authority that afterwards there was a line 535 deep in the back hallways with all anxiously awaiting to suck Netanyahu’s cock.
That freak show known as McCain completed the HLSOS troika. Hagel believed that the Iraq surge was not, by itself, responsible for peace and victory. He is correct. But McLimpArm did his best to humiliate and discredit Hagel.
They should just stop calling these things “Confirmation Hearings”, and be more truthful by calling it an Inquisition. Like all inquisitions the primary goal is to expose anyone who deviates from group-think .. and if they do deviate even in the slightest, disqualify them from holding any kind of office. We live in a Bizarro World where there is zero penalty for supporting the invasion of a sovereign country under false pretenses … the penalty exists for daring to criticize or merely questioning the myths.
So, I am NOT against Hagel. I hope he does better than the asswipes who preceded him. But he is fighting against Powers and Principalities whose cloven hoofs are buried deep up America’s ass. So, I’m not holding my breath.
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26th February 2013 at 3:30 pm
napari says:
@stucky…Do you have any evidence to back your claims?
Sen. Ted Cruz (newly elected right-wing Republican from Texas) asked Hagel; —- “Do you think the nation of Israel has committed war crimes?” Hagel replied, —- “No, I do not, Senator.”
Of course, this is bullshit. So, you see, the acquiescence to the Jewish Masters has already started.
Do you have any evidence to back your claims?
None of you buy in the that our dependence on fossil fuel doenst direct our foreign policy just a teensy bit eh…I’ll have to be the odd man out on this one.
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26th February 2013 at 3:42 pm
Zarathustra says:
Stucky, good post. Of course Hagel lied. Had he told the truth, he would have sabotaged his own nomination.
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26th February 2013 at 3:55 pm
napari says:
Just in the past 2 months I’ve seen threads and comments on TBP that the jews control colleges and college enrollment quotas, and our banking system. The so called jewish lobby controls our government or at the very least nothing happens without the approval of the jewish lobby. Theres plenty of allegations and loosely connected dots but hard evidence is fleeting.
If ya’ll going to play connect the dots include ALL the dots. Don’t ignore what doesn’t suit your conspiracy theory of the day.
I can make a case that Islam influences our government starting with Valerie Jarrett, Hillary Clinton’s deputy chief of staff Huma Abedin.
This stuff is endless and I thought I was on the lunatic fringe!
We can rewind all the way back to the Shah of Iran and connect the dots on our fossil fuel dependency. If the middle east countries and people hate us its because of our interference in their business was a direct result of our insatiable appetite for cheap energy.
easy to scape goat the jews though….
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26th February 2013 at 4:20 pm
napari says:
I got plenty of thumbs downs but no one had the cherries to present any evidence of jewish lobby control or consiracy….at least no hard evidence!
thinking about the jewish conspiracy control theory I would submit the the jewish minority hopelessly outnumbered by the marjority of everyone else logically reasoned that an education would advance ones self in the world a generation ago. A bunch of you have elevated this to a insidious conspiracy to control the world. I see it as a practical people applying common sense to their lot in life! Right now in todays world I know a retired jewish teacher who has suggested to his son to go into the funeral business. Why is that? Besides the fact that everyones dying to get yuk yuk… in todays aging population dictates this teachers son will be employed for a very long time!
All I ask is you think about the practical application of common sense practiced by the jews. It can be very enlightening!
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