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FOURTH TURNING POLL

Strauss and Howe pondered four broad outcomes to this Fourth Turning. Two are cataclysmic. One could be terrible. And one results in a new High. Those aren’t great odds. Let’s do a poll of TBPers. Which of the four scenarios do you think will happen, and why? If you have a 5th scenario, please make your case.

 

  1. This Fourth Turning could mark the end of man. It could be an omnicidal Armageddon, destroying everything, leaving nothing. If mankind ever extinguishes itself, this will probably happen when its dominant civilization triggers a Fourth Turning that ends horribly. For this Fourth Turning to put an end to all this would require an extremely unlikely blend of social disaster, human malevolence, technological perfection and bad luck.
  2. The Fourth Turning could mark the end of modernity. The Western saecular rhythm – which began in the mid-fifteenth century with the Renaissance – could come to an abrupt terminus. The seventh modern saeculum would be the last. This too could come from total war, terrible but not final. There could be a complete collapse of science, culture, politics, and society. Such a dire result would probably happen only when a dominant nation (like today’s America) lets a Fourth Turning ekpyrosis engulf the planet. But this outcome is well within the reach of foreseeable technology and malevolence.
  3. The Fourth Turning could spare modernity but mark the end of our nation. It could close the book on the political constitution, popular culture, and moral standing that the word America has come to signify. The nation has endured for three saecula; Rome lasted twelve, the Soviet Union only one. Fourth Turnings are critical thresholds for national survival. Each of the last three American Crises produced moments of extreme danger: In the Revolution, the very birth of the republic hung by a thread in more than one battle. In the Civil War, the union barely survived a four-year slaughter that in its own time was regarded as the most lethal war in history. In World War II, the nation destroyed an enemy of democracy that for a time was winning; had the enemy won, America might have itself been destroyed. In all likelihood, the next Crisis will present the nation with a threat and a consequence on a similar scale.
  4. Or the Fourth Turning could simply mark the end of the Millennial Saeculum. Mankind, modernity, and America would all persevere. Afterward, there would be a new mood, a new High, and a new saeculum. America would be reborn. But, reborn, it would not be the same.


WTF POLL OF THE DAY

Are you fucking kidding me? The vast majority of willfully ignorant sheep in this country actually think we are either intervening just enough or too little in the affairs of sovereign countries around the world? I guess the multitude of success stories in Iraq, Afghanistan, Egypt, Libya, Syria, Iran, and the Ukraine just isn’t enough for the mindless sheep. We surely must spread our democracy at the point of a missile to even more countries. We must spread the seeds of our tremendously successful consumer debt driven economic system to the savages in other countries. Our warfare-welfare state is a model all countries need to replicate. You ain’t somebody until you owe somebody. And boy do we owe a lot.

The results of this poll give new meaning to George Carlin’s observation:

“Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.” ― George Carlin

ARE THE SHEEP WAKING UP?

Fourth Turnings are driven by changes in the mood of the various generations. The mood in this country darkens by the day, despite what the corporate MSM peddles 24/7. The status quo establishment ruling class are 100% in agreement that Snowden is a traitor. The majority of Americans are now in disagreement with those in power. Considering the ruling class is using their Bernaysian propaganda methods in an all out effort to herd the sheep toward their barn, the sheep are beginning to balk. At least Obama still has black folks thinking Snowden is a traitor. I wonder where the poll takers found the black folk to interview. If you asked 100 people in West Philly about Edward Snowden, 80% would think he was the Sixers’ 4th round draft pick out of Creighton. The other 20% would pull a knife on you.

Maybe some of the women on this site can explain how the majority of women in this country think the Federal government hasn’t done enough to protect us from phantom terrorists. Are they brain dead? Have they been watching to much Keeping Up With the Kardashians? Are they just plain stupid?

Latest Snowden Poll Results: 55% Say Whistleblower; 34% Say Traitor

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Submitted by Tyler Durden on 07/10/2013 09:57 -0400

Immediately in the aftermath of the Snowden revelations, various political action committees and their ideologically affiliated polling services took to convincing the general public that according to “popular opinion”, a “majority” of Americans found Snowden to be a [traitor|hero]. A month later, with the the dust having settled somewhat, the US public has had some more time to consider the implications of living in the United Stasi States of America. And sure enough, another poll has just been released, this time by Quinnipiac. Its findings are as follows: a majority of U.S. registered voters consider Edward Snowden a whistle-blower, not a traitor, and a plurality says government anti-terrorism efforts have gone too far in restricting civil liberties, a poll released today shows. Fifty-five percent said Snowden was a whistle-blower in leaking details about top-secret U.S. programs that collect telephone and Internet data, in the survey from Hamden, Connecticut-based Quinnipiac University. Thirty-four percent said he’s a traitor.

The view of Snowden as a whistle-blower rather than traitor predominated among almost every group of respondents broken down by party, gender, income, education and age. Black voters were the lone exception, with 43 percent calling Snowden a traitor compared with 42 percent saying he was a whistle-blower.

More from the poll:

The poll also showed that by 45 percent to 40 percent, respondents said the government goes too far in restricting civil liberties as part of the war on terrorism. That was a reversal from January 2010, when in a similar survey 63 percent said anti-terrorism activities didn’t go far enough to protect the U.S. from attacks, compared with 25 percent who disagreed.

 

“The massive swing in public opinion about civil liberties and governmental anti-terrorism efforts, and the public view that Edward Snowden is more whistle-blower than traitor, are the public reaction and apparent shock at the extent to which the government has gone in trying to prevent future terrorist incidents,” said Peter Brown, assistant director of Quinnipiac’s polling institute.

 

“The verdict that Snowden is not a traitor goes against almost the unified view of the nation’s political establishment,” Brown said.

 

Facing espionage and other charges and with his passport revoked, Snowden has been holed up at Moscow’s Sheremetyevo Airport since arriving there on June 23 from Hong Kong, which refused a U.S. extradition request. President Barack Obama’s administration has been pressuring other countries not to grant Snowden asylum, and U.S. officials who have called him a traitor include House Speaker John Boehner, an Ohio Republican.

 

The poll showed both Democrats and Republicans about evenly divided on whether government counter-terrorism measures have become excessive. Independent voters view the methods as having gone too far by 49 percent to 36 percent.

 

“The fact that there is little difference now along party lines about the overall anti-terrorism effort and civil liberties and about Snowden is in itself unusual in a country sharply divided along political lines about almost everything,” Brown said.

 

A gender gap emerges, though, on the government’s anti-terrorism programs. The poll showed that men, by 54 percent to 34 percent, see the government as having gone too far in its efforts while women, by 47 percent to 36 percent, said the measures haven’t gone far enough.

 

Despite this divergence, figures for the genders from Quinnipiac’s January 2010 poll exemplify the overall change in attitude on the issue. Male respondents, by 61 percent to 28 percent, said in the earlier survey that the government hadn’t gone far enough to protect the country. Among women, 64 percent said the same.

 

Likewise, among Republicans the percentage who said government has gone overboard in restricting civil liberties in the fight against terrorism grew to 41 percent in the new poll, compared with 17 percent three years ago.

Of course, this poll will promptly be overturned by another poll conducted by MSNBC (or comparable), finding that 120% of Americans believe Snowden deserves the chair. And the farce will go on.